i have two questons

[jilola]

I think there's no limit to how long an OBE can last. One could even go as far as saying death is the ultimate OBE. The only difference between it and a regualr OBE as we usually perceive one is that it doesn't end.

Most people wake up to the vibes every once in a while only their perception of it is that they had the most awfule nightmare but can't recall it; just that they woke up with a startle and were either unable to move or shivering unexplicably.

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Jouni

[Vicky]

Hi smooth, I used to be waken by the vibes very often and leave my body straigth away. This I think is the easiest way to leave your body because when you try leaving it consciously then your body is too strenious and when it's during sleep you are able to leave easily right away. I am able to leave my body this way also if I wake up early in the morning, stay awake for a while and then go to bed again. Before I used to be able to do it during the night as well. I think this happens more often when you're in the beginning to have your first OBEs , after that it will slow down and you will probably not have that many wake-ups. Otherwise that's the natural way to have OBEs I think. Robert Monroe used to leave his body waking up by the vibes. About the lenght of the OBE I have no idea if there is any limit. I suppose there has to be limit since I've read we need some kind of astral substance or something like that we need to leave our body. Well, I am not sure if my opinion is right of course. It's just my opinion [] I hope you find it useful

[Patrik]

Sorry I do not agree... You leave your body every night when asleep, just that you are not aware of it. The difference with OBEs are that you bring your conciousnes over the boarder too. If you in an OBE and visit someone who is asleep, you will see his astral body hovering over his physyical body, or walking around looking drunk (can also be outside the house and a totally different place on earth, but not as common).

There is no limit to how long you can be out... At least not "technically", but there is mentally... To be out long you have to control your emotions and thoughts all the time, and remain aware. This isn't always as easy. If you are good at it, or practise a lot, you will be able to stay out a lot longer... Assuming your physical body doesn't drag you back by a sound, etc.

Of course there is the problem with memory though... The longer you are out, the harder it is to remember everything in detail. But that doesn't mean you will forget a lot of parts just because you are out 30 mins instead of 10 mins... Try to remain aware, and you will probably notice by experience.

There are a lot of people who have been out for hours without a problem, it's not common, but possible. It might also be worth mentioning that it's (supposedly) easier to be out longer in the realms, than the real-time zone. In the realms time is not as simple either... You can be out for an hour in the realms and it will just be 15 mins physical time.

It is perhaps also worth mentioning that one has many bodies. You have the etheric body, which stays merged with the physical body. You then have the energy body which you use to walk around the real-time zone with. This body feels like air, and might even feel like you don't have a body at all.

Then you have many other bodies in the different levels. You basically have one body for each level. These bodies are more "solid", and you basically have an easier time to stay out than when in the energy body. Like you can read in astral dynamics, when you move from the real-time zone into the realms you leave the energy body behind. It then turns into the "sleeping" mode, like it does when asleep and walks around "drunk". Your conciousnes is then put inside one of the realm bodies, depending on which level etc.

According to Robert Bruce the energy body is energetically generated. Which means that the physical/etheric body generates it upon sleep or certain point of the trance. This body is out during the entire sleep process, so you can basically be in it for as long as you sleep, but it is easier to break the OBE and return to physical when using it. A popular theory is that upon death you use your etheric body to roam the real-time zone for a few days or so till the energy dries out, after which you get transferred to the realm bodies. But these are just theories.

The realm bodies on the other hand, are basically the same bodies you use after death and get to the realms, and are a bit more stable.

So in other words, what depends on how long you can stay out is your mental state, how long you can be aware etc, as long as the physical body can remain asleep and not get distracted.

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Patrik

Sorry If you in an OBE and visit someone who is asleep, you will see his astral body hovering over his physyical body, or walking around looking drunk (can also be outside the house and a totally different place on earth, but not as common).

I find your post very interesting. Now tell me, is the statement I left in the quote based on personal experience?

Thanks.

[Patrik]

Reality,

Unfortunately not, I have not yet had the chance to visit someone while they are asleep. It is based on a lot of readings, as well as experiences from quite a few people I have talked to. You can also find this stated in Robert Bruce's astral dynamics.

[Zarklon]

Patrik , I believe you are on the right track.. I have heard from my close friend that you do possess bodies based on where you are OBE , certain realms , certain bodies ,etc..   He bases his beliefs on reading as well as personal experience and I'm starting to believe thats true because of my experiences with realtime.  

When I feel like im about to be taken back to my body while I'm out , I will stop and focus on something and notice it's shape , color , texture etc.. I repeat something like "I'm out , I'm out" and the tugging sensation goes away.. I can also focus on my sleeping physical body and switch back to my energy body if I'm close enough to it also .. its tricky and should be ignored if you dont want want to risk being pulled back to your physical body but with practice I'm guessing you wouldnt have to worry much about that happening anymore.  

Enjoy and good luck guys

[smooth]

Well my first queston is how long can you realy be in obe stat. i have heard people say that they have been in obe for 20 secends and i have heard of people being in obe stat for 15 min(im reading a book and he said he was in an obe for that long). is there a limat on how long you can stay out?

My second queston- does any one else wake up to vibes as well? i woke up to vibes last weak 2 time one night i woke up to them but i fought it for some resen. the second time i woke up 2 times in the same night to vibs but the first time i tryed to leave but i just starded falling and spinnign with no sight the second time i went to the end of my bed then under my floor but barly in controll it seemed like. I gess my queston is does any one elce wake up to thes vibes? i cant get to the vibes when i try only when waking up. does this happen to other people and is there a way to have more of them?