projection difficulties

[Dragen]

Welcome to the forums wwdileie!
A lot of people have had similiar problems like yours.  But everybody is different and it's hard to say what works best and how long something will take.  I think it greatly depends on the individual.

Sometimes, just going with the flow during vibrations can result in a natural seperation.  But usually it's common to "help" the process along by exerting pressure on your astral body.  You do this by ignoring physical sensations and forgetting about your physical body completely.. visualization or tactile imaging IN front of your physical body, or in some other location other than where you are laying/sitting.

If you continue reading the Treatise on OBE's, you will see a popular technique called the ROPE technique which uses tactile imaging as a way of visualization and altered perspective.  This returns wonderful results for most people.  

I suggest keeping your eyes close and using visualization or tactile imaging as your technique.  Try a few things and find out what works best for you.  Even "feeling" yourself floating near the ceiling will "put you away" from your physical body.  Again, this kind of visualization requires you to "be there" by really feeling like you are where you think you are.  This exerts pressure on your astral body and if concentrated long enough, inevitably leads to an OBE.

Try it out and get back to us!  Good luck!

[The AlphaOmega]

HAHAHAH... how suprising.  Someone started trying to project and they failed, never heard of such a thing.  Listen, the answer is simple.  No one here can tell you what you need to learn to succeed.  All anyone here can do is give advice on their own experiences.  But having an OBE is personal, and different levels of personal training and techniques are needed FOR EVERYONE!  If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.  There is no other way.  There is no easy way out.  There is no one answer.  There is only trying EVERYTHING untill you discover your own thing.  So, get practicing!!!!! []

[Dragen]

quote:HAHAHAH... how suprising. Someone started trying to project and they failed, never heard of such a thing.

I don't find that particulary funny.  This can be a frustrating and/or scary experience for some people.  While I agree that projecting is different for everybody (as I mentioned above), it is a "fact" that you have to exert some kind of pressure on your astral double.  Or you don't get out.  This has been stated by countless people and books.  Even travelling around the Astral/RTZ requires that same kind of pressure; altered perspective thought.

[wwdileie]

Dear all, have had two projection experiences in the past that occured as I woke up in the middle of the night.  Have been trying to get a lucid OBE by using the technique described by Robert Bruces treatise.  I can get to the point of total relaxation followed by a low level humming and increased hert rate and a feeling of gentle and very close by floating.  However, I can't project out!  I have tried keeping my eyes open, shutting them, using strong intention etc, but it doesn't seem to work.  Has anyone else had similar difficulties, how long did it take and what did you do to get over it?

Cheers, Dave.