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beavis

"Is it possible to use astral projection to see, let´s say Monica Belluci naked ? Or use it to know what my neighbour is doing?"

Yes. I've seen things in physical before while OBE.

"Or even worst: use it to know the secret plans of my opposite country (imagine CIA using it to know something more about the russians, the North Corea, etc and the opposite)..."

Yes. The USA government did that years ago. They might still be doing it.

"I ask this, because if such it´s possible, so that means that astral p. it´s dangerous (in other ways, not directly). Someone may now observing me, studying my life (astral voyeur)!"

Why would somebody watch you when they can do anything they want?

"Imagine something worst: Osama bin Laden in an astral body seeking others horrible plans to atack the USA and the World!!"

I dont think he could astral project. He's too evil.

Nay

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I read somewhere that if you have sexual or bad purposals while astral projecting, you may return imediatly to your body. Is that really true...always? I hope so. If yes, can i still try the egoistic sensation of flying around the world?!
Well, from my experience when my ummmmmm...sexual ego rears it's ugly head, I always pop right back in my physical..geesh..where can a girl go for a little action..Hehehehehhe!! kidding, kidding..[:P]

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Monsolith

Spirituality doesnt deal with "good" or "evil" actions. You can do just whatever you want. In term of spiritual/mental development and astral activities there isnt any difference between flying over the ocean and watching Monica Bellucci naked.

Nay

Hmmmmmm. Then I am getting ripped off!

Nay.[^]

Risu no Kairu

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Originally posted by beavis

Why would somebody watch you when they can do anything they want?



Maybe that's what they want to do.

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Originally posted by beavisI dont think he could astral project. He's too evil.


Good or evil, I don't see how it would affect OBEs. It just requires the right state of mind.
I need a signature that isn't stupid. :/

Tab

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Originally posted by Monsolith

In term of spiritual/mental development and astral activities there isnt any difference between flying over the ocean and watching Monica Bellucci naked.



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I'm not so sure about that. Sure if you were just watching, but say if you were watching and getting horny :/
From a mystical perspective being sexually active binds you to the flesh and keeps you on a low, physical vibe. I wouldn't choose to project right after wacking :/ merely because I would probably wind up in some unfavorable plane. If you look at the chakra system, that sort of makes sense. The spleen chakra controls sex drive, and is the orange and second to lowest chakra. So if you're channeling energies like that while in the astral, you're likely to tune to a plane corresponding to that type of energy.
But what do I know, I havent tried watching anyone naked yet :/ I just read a lot.

WalkerInTheWoods

Astral sex is possible, or so I have read but never experienced. The problem is in control and your views. If you are viewing sex as purely a physical act then you will probably never have astral or out of body sex because thinking about your physical body will pull you right back to it. If you can disassociate sex from your physical form and remain in control of your thoughts and actions then you should be able to engage in astral sex, but it can be quite different than physical sex. In other words, you are not going to be wacking off while watching Monica Belluci taking a shower. Astral sex is more like an exchange and sharing of energy, so I have read.

There are no astral police that kick you out of the astral for being "bad". You can do anything you want.

Osama bin Laden is probably not interested in watching you wack off while watching Monica Belluci so you should have nothing to worry about. [:P]

The US government has done, and may still be doing, experiments with remote viewing to gather intelligence. I have not read much on this. I just know it has been done.

Alice had got so much into the way of expecting nothing but out-of-the-way things to happen, that it seemed quite dull and stupid for life to go on in the common way.

Radha

The first time I recall projecting was in the early 60's.  I first went out and walked across the pool so I could say I walked on water.  Then I went around the apt building and there was no one around so that got boring.  Then I went to a girl's apt I knew and watched her.  THEN I realized that it was completely bogus to watch a chick undress if you can't do anything with it...so I went back to my body and didn't go back out for a long time.
I think the reason most schools I've been in don't tell you not to do this or that is that they know you'll do it anyway so they let you see if it still interests you.
The only thing I'd venture re astral sex (or astral anything) is that you need to have a way to insure that "she" (or "he" if you're a girl) is in fact a "she".  There are things out there that can shapechange and will gladly do so to fool with you.  Never mind how I found out about that.  Harumph.
Good luck, whoever you do
Radha

jc84corvette

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It is spelled North Korea [^]

Now seeing girls naked would be awsome! But I rather go to Iraq and see how the Military is doing there or go to Planet X...

Kodemaster

Y'know what's bizarre? Sexual arousal actually makes me project. I can think of at least two dreams where I had it and I went straight from dream to projection...and my OBE's were pretty vivid, too. In fact, I think two of my most vivid ones came directly after sexual arousal...

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TorosDead

Recently I watched this documentary on Sci-Fi and the subject of the show was a man who could project.  He claimed that the government is aware of this phenomena and uses it to their advantage by using projectors to spy on the secret workings of other nations.  He said that he saw the corruption in the government and tried to get out of the program and ended up having to put his family into a protection program because someone was trying to kill them.  Now if this is true I don't know why we haven't found Bin Laden, etc., but it gives you something to think about.

jc84corvette

arousal??? How in sams hill do you pernounce that? Like ar-o-sul, the spray?

jc84corvette

LOL! Why Monica? There are plenty of other hot MODELS![^]

Well here is a pic for your pleasure Kazbadan!


Warning! Photo is not pornography because no nipples or pubic hair is shown or parts of the female anatamy. Suggested age for the picture is 16+.!



Kazbadan

[:P] Well, that´s a nice one![;)], but i refered to Monica Belluci, or to the idea of observing someone, just for everyone understand my point of view.

I will post something in this forum, to challenge everyone that can astral project, something that is related to this topic.

I love you!

GoodVibrations

So Kazbadan, I take it you can not Astral Travel.  Are you a 'Disbeliever', or just curious?  Do you want to learn how to do it?

As for spying on chicks, that is the very last thing on my mind when I'm out.  Once I'm out, I'm stoked, and I'm just like, well, I'm outta here!  And I take off straight into the sky, and just cruise man!  Its the best thing.  First thing on my mind is just flying.  Then once I start getting bored of that I think of something to do.  Lately its been calling on guides to try to learn more.  Point being, there is just so much more stuff to do, then spy on models.

For Astral Sex, I've had it Once.  And it is nothing even close to what our sex is here on the physical plane.  It was one of the most amazing things that had ever happened to me though.  I'm very fortunate to have expirienced it.[^]

Tab

Astral sex huh, sounds like something to try with my long distance girlfriend [:P]

Nay

JC84...how did you post that picture?...I have been trying to post a drawing I made..pleeeeese..help me..

Sorry of topic..[:(]

Nay. [;)]

jc84corvette

Nay, it is very simple.

See those buttons above the typing box? The 5th button from the right, it says "Insert Image". Click it and some code will come in. Just put the image link between the code




like that hunny

jc84corvette

Here is an example

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Remove the * and where the second * is, put your image link there.

jc84corvette

Damm its not working. You can put the image on the forum like I did but I can not get the example working for you. I will give it another try

[.img.][./img.]


There that should do it! Remove the "." and put the weblink inbetween the ] and the [

So it would look like this...

[.img.] http://medlem.spray.se/zamyzta/lp3.jpg[./img.] with out the "."

jc84corvette

So if you removed those periods this will show up!



Linkin Park is a modern rock type band that I love![:)]

Nay

Arrrgghh..it won't do it..lol..oh, well.. will keep trying..*sigh*

Nay. [;)]

P.S..thanks anyway..for some reason when I choose the file..it wont show up on the file..only when I select all files..then it doesn't show up..?? hehe that doesn't make a damn bit of sense!!

Greytraveller

The US government Does use psychics to spy on foreign government. These psychics use Remote Viewing not OBEs. [:O]
The remote viewing program began at the CIA in the mid 1980s. It was known as Operation Stargate. Within the last few years the program has been transferred to the Defense Intelligence Agency and has been given another code name. Two well known remote viewers who worked in Stargate are Joseph McMoneagle and Ed Dames.

Kazbadan

Hello GoodVibrations! No, i asked that just for pure curiosity. About AP, i´m not just curious, i want to learn it. Somethings i post questions in here,  as if i were a desbeliever, but that´s not true.

When i first knew about obe´s, and that it is possible to get out of the body, the first idea that i get, it was flying. I think it is one of the most beautifuk things that AP can give.

I started to read a book of Richard Webster wich teachs to AP. I hpo i can learn something with that.

Wich technique do you use most to "get out"?



I love you!

GoodVibrations

Well, if I'm really desperate, I will use the wake up in the middle of the nite technique, which works for me nearly 100 percent of the time.

But, I've been trying to use other techniques before I go to sleep to get better that way.  Particularly, (sorry I don't know the name), where envision sort of a big hand that brushes you from your feet to your head, doing this several times.  This stimulates the chakaras in your body (especially your head), and makes it Eazier to get the vibrations.  Putting emphasis on your head.  Even if you don't make it out, it is still very relaxing, and feels quite nice, and sometimes in unbearable as it tickles.

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