W.I.L.D. the same as phasing?

[soarin12]

Was wondering if a W.I.L.D. (waking induced lucid dream) and phasing are the same thing.  I have spent some time recently looking at a lucid dreaming forum and the only possible difference I can see is that most people on that site believe that the experience comes from your subconscious (dream), and is never anything more than that whereas most people on astral pulse believe it involves both the subconscious and outside sources (other realms).  Any thoughts anyone?

[roman67]

You should go through this link to know the answer of your question : http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/is_the_wild_technique_the_same_as_phasing-t35503.0.html

[Bedeekin]

A WILD tends to instigate full Sleep Paralysis.. so no a WILD isn't the same as Phasing. Phasing can be achieved any time of the day.. it's basically meditation.

WILD causes one to wake from slow wave sleep (SWS) before one enters REM sleep... going back to bed after waking from the brink of SWS causes a conscious and aware shift into the normally unconscious process of REM atonia... or in layman's terms... Sleep Paralysis.

[Xanth]

Actually, (and my apologies for contradicting bedeekin, but...) yes I do believe they're the same thing.  I've always taught it as such... at least how I've experienced it.
Both describe the same action.  The smooth transition of your waking consciousness from "here" to "there". 

The methods used, I've found at least, to be completely interchangeable.

[soarin12]

Thanks for your answers!

[Szaxx]

Here's a phasing method, to try. You'll notice the difference as you are aware constantly throughout the process.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html

[Bedeekin]

Actually, (and my apologies for contradicting bedeekin, but...) yes I do believe they're the same thing.  I've always taught it as such... at least how I've experienced it.
Both describe the same action.  The smooth transition of your waking consciousness from "here" to "there".  

The methods used, I've found at least, to be completely interchangeable.

I don't 'believe' though that's the problem and I'm not theorising... this is heavily experienced based. I experienced RTZ projections when I was a beginner .... statistically this seems to be the case for most who start young... this correlates with both Robert Monroe and Fox'z findings.

Practically I think I may be right... theoretically you are probably right... lest we get the two mixed up for the sake of teaching a beginner, if you know what I mean.

The RTZ projection invariably tends to arise from the spontaneous perceived floating out of the nonphysical where it is common for people to get their extremities or head stuck... usually several attempts at trying to separate causes a non RTZ projection... maybe because we are stuck in SP and lose focus. Again... this is only measly experienced based and may be specific to me (disclaimer).

[Xanth]

I don't 'believe' though that's the problem and I'm not theorising... this is heavily experienced based. I experienced RTZ projections when I was a beginner .... statistically this seems to be the case for most who start young... this correlates with both Robert Monroe and Fox'z findings.

Practically I think I may be right... theoretically you are probably right... lest we get the two mixed up for the sake of teaching a beginner, if you know what I mean.

Well yeah, and I'm also not "believing".  I say that to appease other peoples concerns that I'm trying to state a fact.  When the only fact of the matter is that it's my personal truth.  LoL

We each seem to have our own experienced-based truths.  That always makes this stuff more interesting and further reinforces the fact that everyone really needs to experience this stuff first hand to form their own "truths".

The RTZ projection invariably tends to arise from the spontaneous perceived floating out of the nonphysical where it is common for people to get their extremities or head stuck... usually several attempts at trying to separate causes a non RTZ projection... maybe because we are stuck in SP and lose focus. Again... this is only measly experienced based and may be specific to me (disclaimer).

It's that "spontaneous perceived floating out of the body" where (I'm really on board with what Mr Campbell has to say about it) people perceive that they're in a reality simliar to this one... and usually in their own bedroom.  As for Sleep Paralysis, I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've experienced it... so I'm not a good judge of it in that regards. LoL

[soarin12]

Just to be more clear, I wasn't trying to compare RTZ projections to phasing.  I know from experience that those are different.  I was wanting to compare phasing (where you just click into the dream from a waking state--no perceived separation from body) to what some people are calling WILD.  From what you are all saying, those two are basically the same.  Good to know!