WAAAAGH!! NEED COMFORTING + GROUP HUG ...

[Mulldoon]

Oh Hun

((((((((((((((((((((((((( BIG HUGS )))))))))))))))))))))))))

I know how scared you must have been as I've been there myself.....And whats worse is that you know that its irrational!!! but at the time the fear is sooo real and intense that theres nothing you can do about it..

I myself have this fear but only when it happens from a lucid dream..and it is so frustrating as I have had positive experiences of OBEs in the past!!

I find that if I start to OBE from a consious state that I have more control over my thoughts..but when I am in a lucid dream I dont seem to have that control and it all feels like the oncoming of a nightmare and I have to force myself to wake up and then usualy as soon as I close my eyes again, I'm straight back in it and the same thing happens again!

Yes the fear is irrational and it is the fear itself thats turns the experience into something horrific..and thats what has to be changed..( yeah right !) like its that easy!!!.....

I myself am trying to be more positive and to try to change the way I feel about it... it takes courage and perseverence to overcome this stage and I know that one day during one of these lucid dream states I will face my fears and hopefully dispell it for good!!

I have tried to project during the day but it never happens when I actually try!!! It seems to only occur when IT wants too!!!... I havent had a concious OBE for about a year now and it is bugging me!! as it only seems to start now during these blasted lucid dreams!!

I have read alot of things and seen alot of posts, here and at other sites to believe that nothing can or should harm you during these states and that basicaly anything that seems bad or scary is of your own doing through your own fears..

What I have started to do is surround myself in a protective light when I go to bed now and say an affirmation to myself that I am safe, I am protected..so that it is in my subconcious mind when I sleep.....so if I experience any eerie lucid dreaming I will remember this and hopefully be able to deal with the fear with more courage, rather than run away!!!!

I wish that it would happen more on a consious level like it has done before as I can handle that much better!!!.... But I guess this is a obstacle  that I must overcome before I can move on... and if others can do it without fear then so can you and I....

It sounds to me that you had had the signs all day that this was going to happen.....at least you know your on the right track and that you can do this! becoming more aware or these signs may help you prepare for what might occur again,

I dont know if anything I've said hs helped!!!.... but you are not alone! and I'm sure there are many others out there that have experienced similar to yourself.

Blessed Be     (((((( More  Hugs )))))))

Never does Nature say one thing and Wisdom another

[Xehupatl]

well I did go back to sleep ... whoa that was freaky
thinking about it now, the experience just hammered into me how afraid I am of myself! I mean, nothing bad actually happened ....
you know, you can pray to all the angels, archangels, devas and muses for support, but they still won't be able to protect you from yourself! You can be huge and muscular,  but nothing but yourself is going to save you from your own thoughts!
just goes to show that I'll have to work on that a little more ...
bless you people http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>

stefan

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all i've undergone
i will keep on

underneath it all
we feel so small
the heavens fall
but still we crawl

all i've undergone
i will keep on

[Grenade01]

Yeah
Ive freaked out in LD's, OBE's, and sleep paralysis before

Sometimes fear is just the first response.. even after youve had a few obes, tons of lds, and experience waking paralysis almost every night (like me)

Its like..you win some..you loose some

some nights you go to bed saying..I KNOW IM GOING TO PROJECT
and you do..and its super clear..and great..and perfect
then other nights your like..i dont want to project..i feel insecure and scared and tired and i just want to sleep..and lo and behold
something weird happens and you get scared as hell..even if your prepared and see it coming

I dont understand it at all... fear is a weird thing
just the other night I had a quick like 5 second obe where (I think) i percieved a shadow or object as something evil.  I became extremely afraid..shot back..and opened my eyes and thought about it.. Then I decided I wasnt going to be afraid and if it happened again it hapapned..if i fell asleep ...I would be well rested =)  Well anyway, I had another short OBE like 10 minutes later (this is all spontaneous mind you)  and the same thing happened even though I was prepared!

Its all just a confusing mind game!
If only it were easy

Anyway
Just psych yourself up a lot
I am one of the few who really truely believe NOTHING can seriously hurt you in the astral
I know there are other people on this board that feel there is

maybe Im foolish
I dont protect myself with any rituals or white light or anything

Im just a guy who wants to get up while my body is asleep and fly around
and perhaps see some wonderous things on the way


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[Xehupatl]

waaagh! just woke up from my first Lucid Dream ever nearly turned into an OBE freaked out!
okay here's the story (I know you might have heard this a gazillion times and I know what your advice could be, but still I need to get that off my chest):

First of all, I've been noticing the vibrations already all day long, not strong, but during meditation they got a bit stronger. After watching some tv i went to sleep at about 10:20 pm; umm first I dreamt that I was in some kind of retreat, where I met bill harris (who looked a lot like my old maths teacher [BTW I liked my maths teacher]), then I was lying in bed, and the light from my brother's room was disturbing my sleep, when my other brother went by I aked him to turn that light off, which I think he didn't do ... then my memory gets a little blurry, then I remember that I looked at my bedside clock, which showed that it was 6:30 in the morning! I dodn't look twice, I just wondered why my light was on in the first place and why it wasn't light outsde yet and why I hadn't heard my alarm go off. all this time I was curiusly aware of eing in a LD .. or something ..  however I seemed to be in my bed in the dark when I noticed I was lucid ... I just freaked for no reason ... I mean I got really afraid ... I started thinking about all nightmares and bad lucid dreams I had read about, and all the monsters you could meet in the astral, and was afraid they'd suddenly appear in front of me or something ... then I seemed to wake up, but - yep you guessed it- when I tried to turn up the light, it didn't work; well then I just totally freaked ...i wanted to wake up i begged to wake up ... suddenly i think, hey what if I project now .. . bad move, huh .. suddenly the vibrations kick in and i get really hot and I hear this . sucking sound, as if my energy body was dispatching from my physical one, well I freaked even more, i didn't want to leave my body I begged not to leave my body i scremed noo i don't want to leave my body! ... well then I woke up ... I instinctively knew I was back in the "real world" when I noticed my braces were in place and the lightswitch worked just fine ... I checked my alarm 6 times to be sure ,, it read 11:50 p.m. that was about a half hour ago ...
uh no bad spiritual advance for somebody never ever aving had a LD or OBE.

the question i know have to face is .. was it really worth it ... i mean I recall my freaking out with a shudder and i can tell you I'm not going back to sleep again until it's light outside in 5 or 6 hours ...
what I mean with was it really worth it is .. i seem to have doubt about the whole thing ... i'm plain stupid afraid ... of everything ... will I ever be able to meditate without leaving my body again? ... will I ever be able to just sleep dreamlessly until the morning again? did I underestimate the responsibility you have when you do that stuff? did I overestimate myself?
shiiit ... I still don't know why I was so friggin scared ... I didn't feel in control ... must have been the unknown then ... I didn't have anything planned for my first LD or OBE ... I didn't know what to do! I didn't know what to expect ... maybe I'm just friggalistically afraid of the dark ... I wanted my projections to be during daytime because I just know that in the night, every little shadow will turn into a monster in my mind ... darn

umm hey ... just getting things off my chest ... I've never had experiences like that before and I haven't got anybody to talk to because my family and friends just say that that's esoteric BS and that I'd turned into a tree-hugging hippie ....

just gimme a group hug!
thanks
stefan

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and when the day arrives
i'll become the sky
and i'll become the sea

and the sea will come to kiss me
for i am going
home

nothing can stop me now