Hey Im new here..

[Van-Stolin]

Hi and welcome to the fourm.

Well to start the diference in OBE and AP is that OBE takes place in the RTZ(Real Time Zone), in this place you are lower then the astral plane and it looks like a replica of the world here, you can see everything physical and spirts that might be wandering here.  Astral Projection takes you to the Astral Plane where many different things are that would be concidered fantasy.  In this plane thought forms are made and 'live' there, like your fantasy that you had one day could accutally be played out and even without you thinking about it anymore they continue to exist.  

I have the same problem as you with the breathing, just try and relax your body and don't think of anything really, concentrating on your breathing is apart of the physical so it hinders you in your progress.

Hope you have fun here,

Van.

[Zeke88]

Thx for responding! ^^

Like I said I tried three times and the less I thought about breathing the more I felt myself gasping for air. ^_^;;

Oh well Im gonna try again tonight. Should I do anything like meditating before I go to bed?

BTW I look forward to being an active part of this community and I'd love to learn as much as I can on anything relating to this. []

[Mustardseed]

Hi welcome you will soon find out its not complicated
Regards MS

[Zeke88]

I did much research on the difference between astral projection and OBEing today and I am more incline to try OBEing first but how do I choose which I want to do?

[Logic]

Welcome to the forum, I'd say go with your intuition.

[APGuy]

Welcome.
I started out with energy work aswell.  I find it helps your visualization skills which can be quite useful.  Don't forget also that energy constructs can be physical on the higher planes.  Hope you enjoy your time here.  Oh and if you manage to project before me no harsh feelings...
[}:)]<-Me [B)]<-You
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[Zeke88]

How long have you been trying?

[APGuy]

quote:Originally posted by Zeke88

How long have you been trying?

About two months on and off and I'm extremely close now I can here my heart chakra beating when I try to project.  And I think I heard a voice in my hallway.  If you wanna read in more detail about my progression just look at some of the posts I've made recently in Animals Projecting and Almost There... I Think

[Zeke88]

ah yes I read your animal projecting thing and a lot of other threads before I created my membership for this forum. I thought it was kind of funny but when I think about it people dont even believe what we beleve about astral projection/ki etc and I dont think very highly of them so why should I judge whether an animal can project or not. Id love having a conversation with my cat []

[Fuzziwig]

Welcome to the Forum and have a nice stay here []

[Zeke88]

Ive been studying all these online energies (ki, psi, etc) and everything with it. First off I have a question. What is the difference between OBE and Astral Projection?

Anyway I can make Ki balls but otherwise I can't do anything yet. I just starting reading up on that NEW article so I will practice that when I get a chance.

Last night I tried to meditate and maybe try to lucid dream or astral project but I didnt decide what I was doing whether it was lucid dream or astral project. I was just seeing where it would lead. Anyway I was in bed and I was at the point where I couldn't really move or feel my body and I was trying to concentrate on the blackness I was seeing behind my eyes. The only problem was I was to focused on breathing and I was trying to stop focusing on it but I was..feeling the need to breath harder and harder and then I couldn't concentrate anymore and came out of my 'trance' if I can call it that. I tried maybe three more times to do w/e I was doing but it didn't work.

Does anyone reconize what I was trying to do? Any tips on getting past focusing on breathing?

lol sry if i sound like a noob to all this but I am and you'll just have to deal. []