Washington Post on OBE's

[Tia]

How can they call it a study when "the study is based on only one patient."...

[andy]

Interesting artical.

So if the part about lack of oxegyn in brain cells is true then all I got to do is tie a rope around my neck!!
And I thought Robert was talking about imaginary rope,huh,no wonder that method was'nt working for me.
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Peace!

[MJ-12]

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[SteppenWolf]

Spotted in the BBC site too, but luckily they're not silly enough to bother interviewing the ultra-skeptics as they're just too unreasonable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2266740.stm

I don't mind if people make the unscientific assumption that these experiences are in the brain, as long as they look into the phenomenon more.  Once they find a way to cause it to happen eaasily, there will just be too much weird stuff for them to mark it as only hallucinatory.

Interestingly the CSIOP actually do good work for the spiritually minded as because they are so dead-against absolutely everything paranormal and are so unscientific, they discredit themselves totally in reasonable people's eyes.  Perhaps that's the intent by people like the Great Randi?  Acting so badly that you'll drive people to look into it.

Cheers!  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

[clandestino]

hello there folks.

I do believe that by electrically stimulating the brain, OBE's could be triggered in anybody.

But I think that someone in the article has made a big assumption when he / she states "this is a major blow for those that think that the mind and body are seperate"

The article also states "all activity begins with the brain".

The problem here is that the study has in no way ascertained whether or not the mind IS a seperate entity - for all we know, the electrical stimulus could be causing the seperation of mind and body.

The only way of proving to scientists that the mind exists seperately from the body would be to complete an experiment detailed by
www.horizon-research.co.uk

Briefly, the researchers found that approx 10% of people who have been "shocked back to life" after a heart attack have some recollection of an OBE. (another link between electrical stimulus and OBE perhaps ??)

If 1,500 patients are observed, 150 could be expected to have OBE recollection. It would simply be a matter of correlating their recollections of the hospital scenario, with those of the surgeons....with specific reference to :
1) items that were placed out of the patient's view
2) items of knowledge that could not possibly have been known by the patient beforehand.

[Chamos]

I know that my first, and so far only, remembered OOBE came after I wrote a poem, to there for I actually got rid of all my stress and frustrations, plus the fact that I fell asleep and had the OOBE, kinda hard to be stressed when you're having a pleasent dream instead of a nightmare.

The whole news article reminds me of the whole "men playing God" things that have been running when people made abortion clinics and cloning and genetic alterations.

Like the people who wrote them don't believe in spirituality and other realms. Those are the people that would most likely die and go into a little dark hole and never wake up again until they were reincarnated.

And of course not everyone who has near-death expeiences would have OOBEs, or remember them. Some might be such skeptics that they pass it off as halucinatory episodes from the lack of oxygen to the brain. Or some might be so into their religions that whatever their reliion says happens after death would actually play out.

Really now, these people should do research on more than one patient before ASSUMING anything.

[Chamos]

These doctors, not the skeptics, have good theories,and they do sound like they know what they're talking about, except we know the truth. They are smart logical people who have no idea what they're trying to control and catagorize.

They think of it as "logical" most of us who know the truth think of it as "wrong" I just think that they're on the right track, but the wrong city.

Many have tried to explain away things like ghosts, ESP, and OBEs, the skeptics go for things like "YOU'RE WRONG WRONG WRONG" but these kinds of people, the ones I'd much rather work with, just think of it as "Hmmm... Maybe it's this way instead of that..." They need to experience what they call misfiring brain cells to actually know what we talk about though.

[Eukaryote]

As I student of science, I should point out that things like OBEs and God cannot be disproved by science, because, by definition, the supernatural and the metaphysical are beyond the realm of science, which seeks only to study that which can be measured by physical means. Sure, OBEs can be proven by going out of body and and gathering verifiable information about things that you would have no other way of proving, but from a scientific perspective there is nothing measurable by any phsyical instruments.
Sure, someday perhaps supernatural and metaphysical things could some day be proven, but that will not happen until our physical insturments are more developed, or if a everyone's consiousness were raised to a level that they could not dispute them.
Also, keep in mind that one piece of evidence rarely proves or disproves any scientific concept. It's the media that overreacts. More scientificly-minded people should investigate this phenomena.  Only though that can universal exceptance of them come about.

[Jeff_Mash]

I thought you all would get a rise out of this article.  I like how it says, "A new study suggests these "out-of-body" and "near-death" experiences may be influenced by a portion of the brain misfiring under stress."

I don't know about you, but I am usually quite relaxed when I have my OBE's!

Read the article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34725-2002Sep18.html


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