Recently I have had what I consider to possibly be my first OBE. I have never considered myself to have any fear relating to having an OBE with the exception of meeting my guide (if any). That may seem silly, but I just imagine it would be quite scary to run into some stranger watching me in such a new state (god forbid talk to me).
One thing that puzzled me is that when exploring my house in this OBE I walked past a mirror and looked at myself. I could see that my eyes were very red and almost closed and things were somewhat blurry. Then out of another room walked my sister (she was not in my physical house at the time and she looked more like she did when she was 5 or 6 instead of her present age of 12). She actually turned to me and said "Open your eyes" one or two times which then allowed me to open my eyes and see more clearly.
I wondered if perhaps she was some sort of guide manifesting as one of the most harmless people in order to assist me? Is that possible?
I'll not let anyone guide me, only tell me things that I consider then choose my own actions.
If you actually believed it was your sister at the time, you might want to work on your lucidity level during AP. Just a suggestion.
I personally don't believe in guides at this point. I don't say they DON'T exist, but I've zero reason to think they do.
I believe that there are guides. However it seems now a days that people are expecting a guide to be there every single time they project. Especaily the first time.
Its like as soon as they get out for the first time, they spend all of their time looking for their guide, and second guessing who it could be.
If a guide was watching, and he wanting to make himself known, he would. Otherwise why go through that trouble of could this be my guide? no no, maybe this? or maybe this person? hmmm well it could be....
-En
Hi mrmougsly,
It's interesting that you saw your reflection in the mirror. No wonder your sister said Open your eyes.
You were creating the mirror image in your mind. Which is why she wanted you to look beyond that, and see clearly.
I do think it was your sister. And the reason why she appeared to be a different age is maybe because that is how she feels when OBE. She wasn't your Guide, but she was your sister.
Beavis,
I understand your reluctance to follow any being. But, what you will find to be your primary Guide (higher-Self) will not lead you astray. And when the time comes to meet them you will know them. Other helpers (guides) can only help if you let them, otherwise you are on your own to miss the signs whenever you want to. So to speak.
Quote from: EnderZI believe that there are guides. However it seems now a days that people are expecting a guide to be there every single time they project. Especaily the first time.
Its like as soon as they get out for the first time, they spend all of their time looking for their guide, and second guessing who it could be.
If a guide was watching, and he wanting to make himself known, he would. Otherwise why go through that trouble of could this be my guide? no no, maybe this? or maybe this person? hmmm well it could be....
-En
YES !! Well said EnderZ
I have met my guides. Once and only once. It has to be reeeeaaaalllly important for them to make an appearance. I think they mostly only work with you in between lifetimes and not during. But they are real.
QuoteI just imagine it would be quite scary to run into some stranger
Ha! They are hardly strangers. When I met mine I instantly remembered them and knew they'd been with me through several lifetimes.
I think it could very well have been your sister if 1)psychologically she is still a child or views herself as still being a child OR 2) if
you still view her as being a child.
I often run into people who are out of their body. Usually they have no memory of it.
Pay attention to your reflection in the mirror. It'll tell you a lot about yourself. With red blearly bloodshot eyes I think you are working some long hours and not getting enough rest. Perhaps you are drinking and clubbing and doing other things which would impair you.
Quote from: LeylaI think they mostly only work with you in between lifetimes and not during. But they are real.
You can change that Leyla. You can work with them now for your growth, to remember who and what you are and why you are here this time.
Quote from: LeylaWhen I met mine I instantly remembered them and knew they'd been with me through several lifetimes.
Yes... so well said... and so true to my own experiences.
Quote from: LeylaPay attention to your reflection in the mirror. It'll tell you a lot about yourself. With red bleary bloodshot eyes I think you are working some long hours and not getting enough rest. Perhaps you are drinking and clubbing and doing other things which would impair you.
Excellent advice Leyla. Can't believe I overlooked that ... :roll:
QuoteYou can change that Leyla. You can work with them now for your growth, to remember who and what you are and why you are here this time.
They came to me once. I have tried to go to them, but have not been successful.
However... somehow I know that there will come a time when they will be in direct contact with me. But that time has not come yet.
Hi Leyla,
Maybe those Guides are Helpers. You can go and meet the main guide.. the higher-self. From there it will all come together easily if you work it and practice daily. Try the projection method at my home pages... there's a link down there in my signature... you will find the spiritual button, then two others..'white light method' (excellent with daily practice) and 'your place'.
Both have led to meeting the higher-self in it's role as primary guide for a lot of people in one to one sessions.... so it may take a little longer practicing alone. And as you succeed you won't be doing it alone.
Be well
:D
My guides are my partners. Most were chosen prior to incarnating. But not all. One guide was most definately a concious choice on both our parts, and it was truly my choice (free will and all that). The possibility was ther prior to incarnatinig, but only if certain things were achieved (they have been).
So what do my guides do for me? They answer questions when I have them (be careful what you ask for, you may really have not wanted to know). They teach me things I wish to learn. They teach me things I need to learn. They help me with my energy body work. They nudge me when I overlook things I'm supposed to see. They LOVE me unconditionally, and I them.
Now, you primary guide is your higher-self. It is really 'you', the parts of you that won't fit into a body if you will. Your higher-self works outside of time, so it's always looking at the bigger picture. You also have at least 2 Angelic guides, guardian Angels if you will. They have rules about what they are allowed to do, you have free will after all, but they are the ones that show up in times of trauma.
For some people that's all they have. Others have a veritable cornicopia of guides working with them. Guides fall into 3 basic types, Human, Angelic, and Devic. This follows the 3 principle groups on earth.
There are also helpers. These are beings there to help you with something specific. Peopel that have transitioned, but are 'hanging around' to help you fall into this category. There are many helper angels as well, working with you for some specific task only.
Jsut because you can't see your guides, or hear them, doesn't mean they aren't with you. They are always with you, you are energetically connected. They know what you know, so you never have to explain anything to them. Go with your heart and you intuition, in listening tothem. The more you practice, the easier it gets.
-Namaste
I've never felt that I've encountered any "spirit guides" in the years of various energy practices I've tried. I've worked on people with healing since I was about 15, but no feelings about a 3rd party being present have been there-regardless of the strength of the session (some were startlingly successful).
So far, I've had a complete lack of sense of other beings as guides etc. I've had unpleasent tingles from "knowing" there's something else in the room from chakra training occasionally but that's it. Yet I've experienced energy work "ecstacy" before now..
So maybe this lifetime, guides wise I'm not supposed to need/see/know them or something?
Tayesin,
I don't understand that thing of parts of the higher self reincarnating. Does that mean there is One Higher self for more than one person?
Another thing is that it seems to me that helpers/guardians/guides are weaker than negs... why don't they effectively protect us against negs? Even the weaker ones? It also seems to me that helpers help is very limited I don't feel them... however I do feel when some neg is sucking my energies.
I browsed your site and liked it very much, we all thank you to share what you know :roll:
Or maybe it's more like a carrot dangling from the end of a stick? How high can you go until you reach? I used to be very comfortable in my energy work, I knew my 'colors' and stayed in my paradigm. Now I think of it as never taking your car out of second gear.
Shift your perceptions and energies higher if you want to work with your guides. You can do phenomonal healing work without conciously percieving higher than the physical. That doesn't mean there wasn't help there with you. Imagine what you can do going higher? What do I mean by going higher? Ever see the Chakra's? I mean energetically? Ever hold one energetically? That's what I'm talking about when I say push yourself higher. Sure one way works, but there's nothing wrong with trying to be better at it, is there?
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So what do my guides do for me? They answer questions when I have them (be careful what you ask for, you may really have not wanted to know). They teach me things I wish to learn. They teach me things I need to learn. They help me with my energy body work. They nudge me when I overlook things I'm supposed to see. They LOVE me unconditionally, and I them.
If it's not too personal, Rastus, can you provide some examples? I'm curious as to some of the details. I haven't contacted my own guides yet, it is something i yearn to achieve.
My suggestion is to try and be self-sufficient till you figure what's what. If you go accepting just any spiritie as a guide you may just end up with a big ole fat-head neg sucking your mojo.
I've gone the self sufficient route as I've had insufficient personal evidence of anything more. I cannot see these things-chakras etc. The only reason I practice is because I can however feel energy and sense the chakras that way.
My youngest brother has been able to "see" energy with his eyes shut for years. Woods and natural places are nearly overwhelming for him.
Yesterday I was pumping energy through my arm to see what he could see. Apparently he couldn't continue to look at it-he said it was like magnesium burning, yet I was only working at a basic level-due to tiredness. So evidently what I do has an affect that can be seen if one has that sense.
It does seem that certain abilities are not a matter of self belief alone. He hadn't really thought about that, he just could do it. I taught him the basic energy work 5 years ago, to help him bypass my own years of not having anyone who knew anything about it. I started at 11, he started with my input at 10.
He can see what he thinks are spirits for sure.
I'm very comfortable with my energy work, because nothing I do or try goes any further really. I do not understand what is meant by "shift your perceptions higher" .
I tried several times to find teachers to help me when I was younger-unfortunately I met with "New Agey" wafty individuals who couldn't do what I did. I mean New Agey in the real tinkling bells wafty sense rather than any of you who perhaps practice in a more realistic way :-).
Mr Bruce and also Salvatore who was on the recent course are two exceptions to that so far (that I've met in the real world that is). :-)
I'm not comfortable with an etheric is it there or isn't it type of thinking. It's not real to me. Hence probably why I can't work with guides etc, not real enough to me. Compared to the heat and electricity of energy work anyway..
hmm...one glass of wine too many and look where I go...
lol
PeterPanic:
You are considerably more powerful than any Neg. Why do you choose to let it drain your energy? Why do you choose to keep you energies low enough to let a Neg even get near you? Negs like 'low' energies, if you only have higher/Love energeis, then negs can't feed can they? Take away the cause and effect and they disappear. The law of attraction states Like attracts Like, ask yourself why are you attracting Negs?
Narfellus:
Practical examples of Guides in action?
A long term project has been to get me to Love myself. Don't laugh, many people don't like/love themselves. They want to love others, and be loved, but they don't love themselves. Do you truly like/love yourself? How do my guides help me with this? One of my Guardian Angels is like a chearleader. I'm always getting a 'I Love you' message. And I've had this Angel for every incarnation. Think about that, over 22,000+ years of incarnating on earth, and the same Angel is with me every moment I'm on this side of the Veil. That is what unconditional Love is all about.
Another Guide has been working with me in January to shift my energies higher. I was getting 'comfortable' working in my normal energies. I naturally vibrate in a purple/violet range. I do most of my 'work' in this range. I don't have to stretch to do this, it's natural. A lot of 1-on-1 work was done to get me to force my perceptions and energies higher. Mostly he did it by standing in front of the TV. Again, don't laugh, it is effective. I can see him standing there as a golden glowing form. If I really ignore him, I'll start seeing bright purple dots that look like LED's. Just his way of getting my attention. I had a rather amazing attunement in the middle of January that really flushed a lot of stuff loose and it was much easier to shift after that. I shift at work a lot now, we have a lot of Devics around this area. Last Sunday I was sitting in church ( A Unity Church, we meditate as part of service) and I shifted up into Gold, then beyond....a sort of Gold with multi-colored accents and the place was FULL of higher beings (everyone elses guides as well). And if you can shift higher, you can work higher. I attended a healing in Hawaii 2 weekends ago, not bad for living in Ohio. Not your classical OBE, but I was 100% present in those healing circles, and actually took a turn being cleared myself.
My Higher-Self first made concious contact last October. It took me forever to work out it's a partnership, not any master/slave relationship. When I say 'Free Will' I really mean it. Many things are 'My' choice, as opposed to 'our' choice. My Higher-Self sort of ran the pre-incarnation lesson plan until I learned to drive. Now she (yes, my higher-self is more female than male at the moment) sort of handles the navigation while I drive. However, there are still lessons she throws at me because I want/need them, even if I conciously disagree. Last night was a perfect example (ain't synchronicities great! A culmination of Januaries work, and a retrograde). Many things came together last night concerning my Path. All my guides brought things together, then threw it in my lap. They all, along with my higher self, worked to set something up, but it was up to me to go with it or not. They lead the horse to water, metaphorically speaking. So I'm sitting there surrounded by Love and Support, deciding if I want to go with what was being offered, or change my Path right there. Interesting sensation, but ultimately we change our Path constantly. We re-write our contracts dynamically, they are always in flux. Finally I accepted (at 12:12, which has significance for Lightworkers), and the energy surge was poigently intricate (as opposed to numbingly powerful). My Path is now different than the one I walked yesterday, the only difference being I really Know it.
-Namaste
*whoops*
Recently I have had a few experiences of being helped by a guide of some kind. Until then I was mostly convinced that people who spoke of guides were just making it up as they went along. Either way, the important thing is that I am going on my own experience and not someone else's.
Quote from: PeterPanicTayesin,
I don't understand that thing of parts of the higher self reincarnating. Does that mean there is One Higher self for more than one person?
Another thing is that it seems to me that helpers/guardians/guides are weaker than negs... why don't they effectively protect us against negs? Even the weaker ones? It also seems to me that helpers help is very limited I don't feel them... however I do feel when some neg is sucking my energies.
I browsed your site and liked it very much, we all thank you to share what you know :roll:
For your higher self, think of it in these terms.
Think of yourself as the tip of a finger. You can trace the tip of the finger, to find that it is connected to a whole finger. Than after awhile you realize that your finger, is connected to a hand. Then you realize, that there are other "tips of a finger" that are also connected to seperate fingers all around you, that are also connected to you by the hand. Now compare the hand to your entire body.
The best lessons in life are thoes you've learned first hand. If a guide shoed away negs everytime one was pestering you, do you think you'd ever learn to do it on your own? Or that negs really are more or a nusicence/annoyance than any threat. We are here to learn. Not to be spoon fed. It is up to us to break though boundries that we previously thought where impossible, not to a guide. They are there to watch, and once in awhile when needed, give a slight push in the right direction.
Hope this helps
-En
> What are your feeling about Guides?
I just know I don't need them.
Hi PeterPanic,
It's like Ender said. The higher-self is huge, and it can and does have more than one incarnation on this earth as well as other places and realms. It is active in every level of the astral, every level above that too... into what I call the Soul Layers and then further up until what I call the Oversoul level. Don't know what others call those levels because most of what I've seen is confused about the astral, mental, atmic etc, and I think that astral to mental is all within the Astral layers.
Guides and Helpers can't do the work for you, they can only help when you ask for it and if you let them. The thing with Negs is there are contracts we have with them to provide certain experiences here, so they are really helping us to grow through our fears and find the most effective Loving way to deal with them when they attack. So they too are helpers in that sense.
Hope this helped.
:D
Quote from: Tayesin
Guides and Helpers can't do the work for you, they can only help when you ask for it and if you let them. The thing with Negs is there are contracts we have with them to provide certain experiences here, so they are really helping us to grow through our fears and find the most effective Loving way to deal with them when they attack. So they too are helpers in that sense.
Hope this helped.
:D
hmmm, contracts?
:roll:
On rare occasions I have had exceptionally lucid dreams, in which an individual who appears as anyone of a number of people (appropriate to the message), gives me advice. Although the appearance is always different (frequently but not always someone I know) I have learned to distinguish and recognize the voice and mannerisms as unique to one individual. I am convinced it is my guide.
Oddly enough I side with Veccolo on his decision. It is indeed his choice. He continually makes the choice, and is free to modify his decisions slightly or greatly at anytime, and his guides will never Judge him for it.
Quote from: RastusOddly enough I side with Veccolo on his decision. It is indeed his choice. He continually makes the choice, and is free to modify his decisions slightly or greatly at anytime, and his guides will never Judge him for it.
I also agree that it always comes down to being your choice, but arrogantly believing that you dont need divine help, and that you are better than anyhelp that the divine could offer is just asking to be humbled.
-En
There is the question of whether anyone (spirit wise) actually wants to help or get involved!, I'm not sure that they always do for everyone really. For some I suspect they just stay away instead for various reasons?
There is the question of whether anyone (spirit wise) actually wants to help or get involved!, I'm not sure that they always do for everyone really. For some I suspect they just stay away instead for various reasons?
In our physical lives we must choose to have faith in certain people in order to function. We take a leap of faith every time we establish a relationship, be it personal or professional. It does not mean that we follow blindly, the decisions are thoughtfully considered.
If you were to travel to the amazon jungle, or the Himalayan mountains you would choose a guide because your knowledge of the landscape is insufficient.
In our current form we have little knowledge of our landscape, and I believe the most knowledgeable among us would be the first to agree with that statement. Why then would we not choose to listen to and seriously consider the advice of a guide who inspired trust in us (not blindly in any entity) if that information were available?
Quote from: LeylaOh, you teenage boys...enjoy it now. This is the only time in your life you'll have all the answers.
She's right! I remember knowing a whole lot more, before I grew up.
I blame school.
I wonder how much does the need to argue (hello Leyla), has to do with our spirituality...hmmm??pretty much?..probably..
I have a good friend, who has always been extremally concious of her doings (energy work, obe) and one day she "killed" her guide, who has always been with her. I was shocked, but on the other hand, what can I say to her after spending months next to her bed during chemiotherapy..I guess she had the right to. So I understand Veccolo.
Im always aware of guidance, and I know that I'm in good hands, and like the theory, that our guides are here to help us when God is busy, and we don't want to bother him too much. I also like to think, that I have in myself everything that I need and long for, and would never want any guide to be a substitute of that.
all the best
My purpose for coming to these forums is not just to tell everyone what I think. Really. I came here to learn something which I can use to improve myself and to make my meditation faster and more comfortable. In other words, I expected to come here for guidance. The people who give that to me are then Guides. If I can hear from Guides who can talk to me directly in my mind, so much the better. In the end, what to do with the guidance is still my decision.
I complety agree hanna b.
How old are we? seriously, lets leave any kind of childish arguments out of this forum, lets not forget why we all come to these forums, just like tom put so nicely.
-En
Geez, my topic has spin terribly out of control. lol
In my experience, guides come in all shapes and sizes. Though most of the time, guides appear in some shape or form that fits our very own personal mythology. One of my guides has changed shape a few times, but I know who he is, because of the way he _feels_ to me. His vibe is very particular and unique.
While some guides will actually offer advice, I've found that most prefer to hang back, unacknowledged and simply observe and wait. Their guidance can be anything from direct involvement, to merely slipping a particular object into a dream that helps us through it.
Stone
QuoteVeccolo has laid in wait all this time for me to disagree with him, so he could accuse me of starting argument.
Noooo.... Layla.. You're the one who started.
You refuse to see it (maybe reread your first post, then reread it again.... and then again) but I personally find it extremely offensive, arrogant and rude..I see you like dragging the old stuff with you and wait for the perfect (not sure, this was a great topic) moment to fight back..wow..how mature!..
The only excuse, is that you absolutely lack the sense of humour..hmm.. I see now that it is a possibility..poor excuse.
I'm very sorry dear moderators for my 2 cents, punish me till the end of my existence, but I just can't sit back while somebody is being offended and the attacker refuses to take the responsibility, spoiling others reading.
For gods sake, Hannah, I admitted I took his bait! He makes very radical, inflamitory posts because he wants people to respond. There were others in here who thought his statment was awfully gosh-darned arrogant.
But I still think it's insane for him to lay in wait all this time, praying for the moment I would disagree with him on something, anything, just so he could play "turn the tables."
I mean, I didn't even think it was that big of a deal, I had forgotten all about it until this came up!
This has got out of control. I say we bury the hatchet. This needn't turn into "The Hatfields and the Mccoys."
Hi Folks,
This is an interesting topic.. and it would be a plain shame to see it ending up being locked or in the web bin due to a few wee arguments.
So in light of that please keep your personal grievances off-line!
Kind wishes,
Stephen
Namaste!
Great thoughts and input from everyone here.
I haven't had any conscious interfacing with my spirit guides or angels, but I certainly believe they are around. I guess this intuition of mine has to serve as proof enough for now. I'm very zWXY (and sensitive) to psychic and supernatural phenomenon, so I guess that's why I'm so sure about them.
I've dabbled in the Ouija Board in my younger years and this 12-year-old girl named Tiffany keeps appearing, no matter who I've "Ouija'd" with. I always brush it off, but deep down, I know there is a connection I can't explain.
However, I long to commune with my REAL guide, the one I know that has been with me for hundreds - thousands of earth years. I know once I leave my physical shell I will laugh and look into his or her eyes and say "Ha! No wonder I'm always searching for YOU. It's because it's YOU!"
yzak niak dwrenyakzi doko uno sec unos doruna ti-kla-zhsi!
Um I just kinda had to do it...
I still don't sense anything around me and today I've done a number of spell casts and workings-more intensely than ever. It does honestly feel that I'm alone in working. Has anyone else worked up a sweat whilst sitting doing healing/spellcasting etc and still feel solitary in their work?
The first line btw, is the nearest phonetic approximation of what I do naturally in spellcasting-speaking in some kinda tongues..I think there's a coupla words in there from one or two languages but really it's just what I tend to speak out. I barely manage English :P so I'm not studied in linguistics.
One of my teachers told me that I was hearing from my guides back in 1999. I'd say I didn't agree with him until I experienced it distinctly for myself last month. Maybe we are all getting more guidance than we realize and are not recognizing it for what it is?
I while back I lost my bank card. The new one came with a new PIN. Shortly after that I went to see a couple (the husband speaks to passed loved ones, the wife draws them with no description) who contacted my grandparents who had passed. I went back over some of there old photos to realize that my pin was the same number as their address. Some might call it coincidence but the odds against such a coincidence are pretty high, and I'm certain it was their way of reaching out and trying to get my attention. I would certainly have considered any advice they had for me in life, why not in death?
Quote from: ItinerantI while back I lost my bank card. The new one came with a new PIN. Shortly after that I went to see a couple (the husband speaks to passed loved ones, the wife draws them with no description) who contacted my grandparents who had passed. I went back over some of there old photos to realize that my pin was the same number as their address. Some might call it coincidence but the odds against such a coincidence are pretty high, and I'm certain it was their way of reaching out and trying to get my attention. I would certainly have considered any advice they had for me in life, why not in death?
There are no coincidences IMO. Things happen for a reason...they may not be the right reason for someone else, but if it make sense and gives you comfort, I say........RUN with it. :)
Sounds like a sign from your loved one, to me.
Thanks for sharing.
Nay
This happened to me during my most notable OBE. I was passing by a mirror and decided to see if I could see the reflection of my projected double in the mirror. When I looked I saw myself only I looked a bit different and my hair was wild and I had sort of a golden glow about me. I could see myself sort of bobbing slightly up and down and left and right as I watched my reflection. Then I thought of RB's comments about entering a mirror and ending up in an anomaly and I decided to give it a go but when I tried to dive into the mirror I bounced off it! Then I tried putting my arm in but it bounced off as well. I gave up at that point and went to my bedroom where I found my physical body lying in bed. I dove head first into the abdomen and immediately woke up in my physical body. That was such a vivid projection and unfortunately I've not had one since then, and it's been months...admittedly my practice has been reduced to almost nothing but I hope to pick that up at some point. I did have a degree of success after making and charging a lunar talisman intended to facilitate OBEs. I "activated" it and went to sleep with it under the bed and at some point I became aware of myself standing in my room but I almost immediately began sinking into the floor and my vision began fading. I willed myself to project towards my bedroom door and started moving in that direction but I lost consciousness right afterwards.
I've also had a couple dreams involving mirrors. In these dreams I'd be looking at myself in a mirror and suddenly my lower eyelids would start to droop and blood would beging pouring out of my eyes as I begin to sink and my consciousness would start fading, as if I were faiting from the bloodloss. One interpretation I have of those experiences is that I have gained a degree of lucidity during a projection however I lack the energy to maintain it and this *running out of gas* effect gets portrayed in dream imagery as running out of blood and, in effect, melting.
Quote from: TayesinHi mrmougsly,
It's interesting that you saw your reflection in the mirror. No wonder your sister said Open your eyes.
You were creating the mirror image in your mind. Which is why she wanted you to look beyond that, and see clearly.
I do think it was your sister. And the reason why she appeared to be a different age is maybe because that is how she feels when OBE. She wasn't your Guide, but she was your sister.
Beavis,
I understand your reluctance to follow any being. But, what you will find to be your primary Guide (higher-Self) will not lead you astray. And when the time comes to meet them you will know them. Other helpers (guides) can only help if you let them, otherwise you are on your own to miss the signs whenever you want to. So to speak.
Quote from: EnderZI believe that there are guides. However it seems now a days that people are expecting a guide to be there every single time they project. Especaily the first time.
Its like as soon as they get out for the first time, they spend all of their time looking for their guide, and second guessing who it could be.
If a guide was watching, and he wanting to make himself known, he would. Otherwise why go through that trouble of could this be my guide? no no, maybe this? or maybe this person? hmmm well it could be....
-En
YES !! Well said EnderZ