Projection, Paralysis... or Further Acknowledg...

[thelou]

So are you saying that this method helps you to OBE from a dream state?  That when you become lucid in dream state, that from there you can exit?

[Cezyl]

quote:Originally posted by thelou

So are you saying that this method helps you to OBE from a dream state?  That when you become lucid in dream state, that from there you can exit?

Hey TheLou. I'm saying that when you are dreaming you are already undocked, and you just have to 'latch onto' your physical and/or nonphysical body, and relax out from there. This is my experience anyway. Any success with it, please let me know. []


Thank you for the sage advice MajorTom. []

[Cezyl]

Projection, Paralysis, and Mind-Split Effects or the Further Acknowledgment from the First Cezyln

5/14/2004 8:34 PM
I must say that reading Astral Dynamics while having more experience under my belt is very humbling. Whereas before I saw rubbish and nonsense I now see things that relate to what I have experienced, and explain it in a new and expanded light, and from a more integrated and expanded perspective. For one is the mind-split, paralysis, and dreams.
I have often (relative to the relatively few projections I've had when compared to the likes of Robert Bruce, Robert Monroe, and Sten Oomen) projected from a dream, relaxing out of the paralysis after latching onto my nonphysical body from inside the dream. Reaching page 87, chapter 6 of Astral Dynamics I reach the chapter on paralysis. He mentions one that paralysis can't, or very rarely does, ever happen from paralysis, because the projection has usually already occurred. I think back to the several times I've projected from paralysis, and the fact that I consider paralysis my most tried and true, and most effective and friendly, means to getting out-of-body in the here-now. I throw my hands up and say 'rubbish'.
I had to talk to someone about it so I went online to my good friend Matt and share with him the dilemma, and scoop up an experience very illustrative of projecting from paralysis:

"I realized my state and tried to move physically and sure enough I was steadfast in paralysis. But this little test caused me to redock a bit. From experience I learned that relaxing releases the nonphysical body when in paralysis so I started relaxing and sure enough I became more and more free to move."

I pasted this into chat for him, and reading it I realized what happened. "But this little test caused me to redock a bit..." I realize that I was already projected, and had to redock with the physical, in order to leave it that 'second' time. And then thinking back to my posts online, I see that I would as I said latch back onto my physical or nonphysical body. Why would I have to latch on (and how would I be able to) if I was not unlatched already? This is an excerpt from what I posted on the astralpulse and Jonas Ridgeway forums (plus some grammatical corrections) about projection through the use of dreams and 'latch on':

"I have found that once I become aware that I am dreaming it is just a matter of latching onto my nonphysical body by thinking it, like realizing I am really lying down asleep, and feeling for my body and connecting with it. Then I try to move and I find that I'm in paralysis, and then I relax and move out and away from my physical body."

As I continued to read, I realized that this has been occurring with me. I have been undocking, and then redocking (latching on), in order to undock again. I looked askance at it when he mentioned this on page 85 of Astral Dynamics, but perhaps Robert Bruce is right in saying that there is nothing simple about OBE. I'll continue to practice, and I am definitely finding out.  

Thank you Robert for your sharing and good will.

Cezyl