when i am out and need info or a bit of help in a fight, i summon or call a dragon.. it wasent really planned the first time.. but when i did it i was looking at a full moon, and wanted to fight something really strong. and BAM i dragon came crashing down. we didnt fight i was in aww.. we talked and he helped me out.. now when i am out i always call for him and we have great convos that i can never seem to remember. haha but that is what i like to call out when i am out...
anyone else do this.. and waht do you call upon and is it the same all the time. the dragon i call changes color and i think this is cuz of my mood or something.. anyways please share.
Summon, fight, why are you going to the Astral to battle? It is such a beautiful place, leave the wars here in the physical.
umm cuz i like to test my strength.. i enjoy it.. and it seemed i made a good friend. i wanted to fight something that would give me a challenge. that is what i said in my head and like the storie goes, somethign showed up. we didnt fight. he has helped me out anywaysn
Honestly, I'm with Lionheart.
Think about it for a second... what "strength" are you referring to? You have no physical body when you're non-physical... strength is a meaningless word.
Most "physical reality ideas" are completely meaningless in the non-physical.
Things like "fighting"... "strength"... they have no meaning outside this physical reality.
Conversations...
Now THAT sounds like a much better use of your non-physical time. I'd stick with that. :)
Only "battle" when it is called for. Don't create it. You want to be a solution not a problem. There are already tons of battles going on in the realm but calling one in for your amusement? No, i disagree. So many beautiful places to visit, so many beautiful things to see. Enjoy it, don't destroy it.
~astraladdict
Quote from: astraladdict on August 15, 2011, 11:33:52
Only "battle" when it is called for. Don't create it. You want to be a solution not a problem. There are already tons of battles going on in the realm but calling one in for your amusement? No, i disagree. So many beautiful places to visit, so many beautiful things to see. Enjoy it, don't destroy it.
~astraladdict
I'm totally with you addict!
most of the time i am thrown in to alot of the battles there. maby we all have our places in the asteral. the point of this was not to get critisized on what i do with my time there.. the question was does anyone summon anything to get info train ect.. and the reason i came apon this friend/helper was cuz i wated to meet something that would give me a challange..
so for all you peacefull guys out there. how do you defend yourself. white light does not work all the time.. and you might conjure wepons and such.. but if you dont practice doing theses things it could back fire on you.. and when something hits you and ruins your ap moment cuz you couldent fend it off and you come back to your body. then that was a wast of time for you on there..
as for me when i first started i had no guidence. did not have this forum. i have been doing ap for a long time. when it first started happening. i had no control. and i would get hit with lots of negs. so yes it was very scary.. but when you are young and connot contral when and how your going to ap, you learn to protect yourself. and yes i did have a bad child hood with lots of negativity.. and as i got better at it, things changed a bit.. i was helped while out and was told this will be a continuing thing so be ready... i have been aping for ever but last 11 years is when it has really come to geather... im not bashing people who do not fight, you have a diff agenda then i.. but he is some info i guess on why this happens and what i do it.. so just read it dont pash is cuz it wont change. and i like it.. and i train for it. i have helped alot of things and places on the asteral. i am not a bad guy just randomly attacking. but i like a good challange. you dont learn from winning all the time... so just answer the questuion if you summon somthineg for help waht do you summon and waht is he like or she or what.. just interesed in what others do not interested in waht people think i should be doing.
Quote from: the8reader on August 15, 2011, 18:45:12
most of the time i am thrown in to alot of the battles there. maby we all have our places in the asteral. [....]
i am not a bad guy just randomly attacking. but i like a good challange. you dont learn from winning all the time... so just answer the questuion if you summon somthineg for help waht do you summon and waht is he like or she or what.. just interesed in what others do not interested in waht people think i should be doing.
I think you have a good thing going and the suggestions for a more pacifistic approach to the inner realms are misguided. A little sparring can hone one's skill level on a variety of levels. A young man just getting started in building his own life here on Earth will naturally encounter obstacles and difficulty. It comes with the territory. The Inner Realms naturally reflect the outer, physical circumstances and situations.
This Universe of Duality comes with conflict built-in. Those in denial about this are not doing themselves or anyone else any favors by trying to perpetuate the falsehood. Evil is only an illusion to the degree that this entire Universe of Duality is an illusion. But the number of humans with the effective operational ability to live beyond illusion is exceedingly small so I think this deception about negativity not being real is actually counter-productive.
Freedom is not free.
"Fortuna audaces iuvat" (Fortune favors the bold)
Quote from: the8reader on August 14, 2011, 23:47:28
when i am out and need info or a bit of help in a fight, i summon or call a dragon.. it wasent really planned the first time.. but when i did it i was looking at a full moon, and wanted to fight something really strong. and BAM i dragon came crashing down. we didnt fight i was in aww.. we talked and he helped me out.. now when i am out i always call for him and we have great convos that i can never seem to remember. haha but that is what i like to call out when i am out...
anyone else do this.. and waht do you call upon and is it the same all the time. the dragon i call changes color and i think this is cuz of my mood or something.. anyways please share.
You summoned a dragon, see this kind of stuff makes me believe in the astral stuff less... Stop mixing up your dreams with astral projection.
How do you defend yourself? I don't go looking for trouble, hence no need to defend myself. Remember in the Astral thought equals action. It has everything to do with intent. If I find myself in a situation I don't like, I just end the session. Plain and simple!
so i did a big ramble on here.. so took it off not worth it.. so could a mod please remove this post... i started a new one that should stay one track..
well I find myself waking up in a dream not really controlling the experience still at this point. I have friends that I call if I'm in a situation. I cultivate the friendships even when I'm not in astral both for spiritual development to develop control and help if I get into a spot.
I simply don't understand the need to "fight" in the non-physical...
What exactly do you think you're doing? "HURTING" something?
For the people who enjoy "fighting" in the non-physical... let me ask you something: What is your goal for "fighting"?
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 23, 2011, 08:52:06
I simply don't understand the need to "fight" in the non-physical...
What exactly do you think you're doing? "HURTING" something?
For the people who enjoy "fighting" in the non-physical... let me ask you something: What is your goal for "fighting"?
Yes, it is clear that you do not understand.
It is not necessarily a "fight" so much as it is a struggle. It certainly has nothing to do with "hurting" anything. (The fact that this is what you project onto the scenario might be worth a little future introspection).
Non-physical, for most projectors is not non-duality.
Anyone with an ambitious goal will inevitably encounter resistance and conflict will arise naturally for those moving forward and making progress.
Those wasting their lives satisfied with the status quo and lacking the motivation to improve their condition may never come to understand this. Many fall into this condition as soon as a resting point in life can be found. I think the Monroe description of how most Souls incarnate into planet Earth and discover that they have bitten off wayyyy more than they can chew, is truly what we see most often.
Quote from: Symbol on August 15, 2011, 20:19:47
You summoned a dragon, see this kind of stuff makes me believe in the astral stuff less... Stop mixing up your dreams with astral projection.
I don't believe in the astral stuff...period. To me it is all fiddlestick. The so-called OOBEs have more to do with lucid dreaming than anything else. The environment we encounter upon a perceived separation from the body could be the conscious mind's last attempt to make sense of the dissociative experience.
Quote from: Bluefirephoenix on August 23, 2011, 07:12:08
well I find myself waking up in a dream not really controlling the experience still at this point. I have friends that I call if I'm in a situation. I cultivate the friendships even when I'm not in astral both for spiritual development to develop control and help if I get into a spot.
When you "wake" up in a dream and you are lucid, you won't be able to control the situation until you believe that you can. Expectation plays a big role. Also, the are many techniques you can employ to make the environment as realistic as possible and to prolong your stay in the non-physical worlds. It is as simple as that. I recommend that you check out Stephen LaBerge, the grandaddy of lucid dreaming. One more thing... your subconscious can exceed your expectations. :wink:
Quote from: the8reader on August 15, 2011, 18:45:12
so for all you peacefull guys out there. how do you defend yourself. white light does not work all the time.. and you might conjure wepons and such.. but if you dont practice doing theses things it could back fire on you.. and when something hits you and ruins your ap moment cuz you couldent fend it off and you come back to your body. then that was a wast of time for you on there..
LMAO! :lol:
I don't feel the need to defend myself the minute I know that my experience is not physical. I simply believe that I am the invincible lord who shapes reality as he sees fit. None of this summoning help and protect yourself nonsense.
By the way, if you return to the body...separate again! :-D
Quote from: Rudolph on August 23, 2011, 12:24:50
Yes, it is clear that you do not understand.
It is not necessarily a "fight" so much as it is a struggle. It certainly has nothing to do with "hurting" anything. (The fact that this is what you project onto the scenario might be worth a little future introspection).
Non-physical, for most projectors is not non-duality.
Anyone with an ambitious goal will inevitably encounter resistance and conflict will arise naturally for those moving forward and making progress.
Ok, so you call it a struggle. What are you struggling against and why? What do you believe comes out of the struggle? Do you grow spiritually through it?
So am I reading it right that you seem to have a connection between "physical conflict" and "spiritual growth"?
QuoteThose wasting their lives satisfied with the status quo and lacking the motivation to improve their condition may never come to understand this. Many fall into this condition as soon as a resting point in life can be found. I think the Monroe description of how most Souls incarnate into planet Earth and discover that they have bitten off wayyyy more than they can chew, is truly what we see most often.
You're gonna have to help me, Ruddy, cause I don understand what that has to do with the question. >_>
Quote from: Symbol on August 15, 2011, 20:19:47
You summoned a dragon, see this kind of stuff makes me believe in the astral stuff less... Stop mixing up your dreams with astral projection.
Ninja why you trollin mane?
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 23, 2011, 13:19:20
Ok, so you call it a struggle. What are you struggling against and why? What do you believe comes out of the struggle? Do you grow spiritually through it?
So am I reading it right that you seem to have a connection between "physical conflict" and "spiritual growth"?
You're gonna have to help me, Ruddy, cause I don understand what that has to do with the question. >_>
Those who are making progress must struggle through that which is naturally rising up to oppose progress.
Yes, Spiritual Growth results from well chosen goals and right effort in dealing with the obstacles that naturally rise up in response.
So Ryan, why did you put "physical conflict" in quotes with respect to what I just said? (that phrasing does not occur in the words of mine that you quoted. I did NOT say "physical conflict". :|
My BS meter pegs out when I see people try to pull this semantic trick. So of course you don't understand what that has to do with the question... because it has nothing to do with what I actually said.
:lol:
I suspect you do not understand the obvious relevance of my last paragraph there because it is in conflict ( :wink: ) with an a priori assumption that is simply not true.
Obstacles and conflict are built-in to this Universe at the most basic level. Yet that does not prevent the deep-denial community from trying to pretend otherwise.
I put it in quotes cause I wanted to differentiate "physical conflict" from just "conflict". :)
Since we're talking about "fighting" and "struggling" here... I'm assuming we're talking about it on the level of physicality. If I'm wrong, then that might be the source of my confusion of your stance.
But for the time being, yes, I don't understand your position in the slightest.
Conflict isn't something that grows out of spiritual growth... you *never* have to be in conflict with anything.
But meh...
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 23, 2011, 21:50:47
I put it in quotes cause I wanted to differentiate "physical conflict" from just "conflict". :)
Since we're talking about "fighting" and "struggling" here... I'm assuming we're talking about it on the level of physicality. If I'm wrong, then that might be the source of my confusion of your stance.
But for the time being, yes, I don't understand your position in the slightest.
Conflict isn't something that grows out of spiritual growth... you *never* have to be in conflict with anything.
But meh...
There you go again...
"Conflict isn't something that grows out of spiritual growth"...
I did NOT say that it did. Why do you comment on things no one is saying and reply to points that no one has made?
Were you born with this special talent to warp and twist the words of another ? or did that require a little special training? :evil:
:lol:
(edit: wait... I think I may see the confusion here. Spiritual Growth in this physical realm may be the result of the 'conflict' that is built-in to 'the system' when right effort is made... but Spiritual Growth itself does not necessarily create conflict. In fact it can and often does defuse what might seem to be inevitable conflict.)
*sigh*
Ruddy... one day you're gonna learn to NOT be a prick during a conversation.
You might find that people are a bit more open and nice to you.
You've got a massive attitude problem, my friend.
My participation in this is over.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 23, 2011, 23:24:15
*sigh*
Ruddy... one day you're gonna learn to NOT be a prick during a conversation.
You might find that people are a bit more open and nice to you.
You've got a massive attitude problem, my friend.
My participation in this is over.
Just more projection, Ryan. I am not the one being a "brick" here, pal. I am not the one being rude and crude. I am being straightforward and honest. Unlike you.
I think the latitude of my attitude is far more ethereal than yours.
Honest decent, traditional types are more open and nice to me. Deceptive, dishonest, leftist down n dirty, tyrannical, so n so's however, do not like me very much.
I have gotten used to that.
:wink:
Have a nice day.
8-)
The way I read it, Rudolph was stating that as we progress spiritually and overcome obstacles (conflicts) in our way, new ones constantly pop-up, and it's how we handle them and learn from them that allows us to progress further. I can agree with that.
If that is what he said I agree with your statement, Stookie. I will say to Rudolph one thing though...just because something happens in your mind, you should not assume that that is what is going on in the minds of others.
The worlds you experience are certainly not the worlds that Xanth experiences and they can never be because you have your mind and Xanth has his, Rudy. I am surprised that you are still concerned with the petty argument about semantics when it comes to methods used to enter the non-physical, especially for someone who recommended that I join the very pragmatic OBE4u website, where your way and Xanth's way would be considered as two techniques that yield the same result: a phase entry.
How each one of us views spirituality, is a different story... :-D
Then it was my confusion as to his use of the word "conflicts"... gotcha.
Always controversy, why not spread love instead? Everybody has opinions, just recognize them and move all... It's been a long day so i haven't wrong all that writing above me lol, but i picked up on the negativity :/
~astraladdict
I couldn't help but read the OP's post and think, "I choose you Charizard!" :-D