What have you learned about the fundamentals of the universe?

[Tongo]

You frequently hear in Astrap projection experiences of people travelling through space and timeffort and asking entities all sorts of educational questions. Is there anything you have learned in your astral journeys that perhaps sheds light on some of the mysteries of the universe? Do parrallel dimensions exist? Are there other vensigns of ourselves out there? Is the universe infinite? Are there alI ensure?  The list goes on. Anybody had any luck with these sorts of age old questions?

[Selski]

Nope. 

[Tongo]

Nope. 

? k pointless.

[Selski]

Not really. As an experienced projector, I haven't reached any conclusions. It's a valid addition. 

[Stillwater]

Not really. As an experienced projector, I haven't reached any conclusions. It's a valid addition. 

Agreed.

The main way you learn truths about the universe is through science (and to some extent greater philosophy). It is very difficult to apply any kind of science in a projection experience in most cases, due to the subjective element. You lack repeatability. You lack peer corroboration. You lack peer-review. I would be very skeptical of someone claiming to learn fundamental truths in that environment. You get endless fuel for thought, and get endless glimpses of things which may be. Conclusions are few and far between if you want to be responsible about it. 

[Xanth]

I guess, the only thing I've truly learned is that my projections are as real as this physical reality experience.
Not sure what that ultimately means though in the end.  I have my theories, but that's really all they are.

So what is "real"?  If something FEELS real, does that make it real?  What about what we think of as being "hallucinations"?  What are those then?  They feel real as well.

[Subtle Traveler]

You frequently hear in Astrap projection experiences of people travelling through space and timeffort and asking entities all sorts of educational questions. Is there anything you have learned in your astral journeys that perhaps sheds light on some of the mysteries of the universe? Do parrallel dimensions exist? Are there other vensigns of ourselves out there? Is the universe infinite? Are there alI ensure?  The list goes on. Anybody had any luck with these sorts of age old questions?

This is a fair question. You are staying curious (good for you!). Strictly from my OBE's, I have generally experienced three "answers":

1) I am not alone in this physical experience. I met and confirmed my guidance in one of my earliest experiences.
2) The universe is much more than what physical science taught me growing up (e.g., there is physical and non-physical).
3) I am more than my physical body (the human is a part of who I am).

As far as the "age old questions" you are referring to, I see a problem (limitation) with your question. It has a physical perspective (e.g., for example using time and space as references). But again ... I appreciate your human curiosity.

[baro-san]

You frequently hear in Astrap projection experiences of people travelling through space and timeffort and asking entities all sorts of educational questions. Is there anything you have learned in your astral journeys that perhaps sheds light on some of the mysteries of the universe? Do parrallel dimensions exist? Are there other vensigns of ourselves out there? Is the universe infinite? Are there alI ensure?  The list goes on. Anybody had any luck with these sorts of age old questions?

1. I believe that we can't comprehend the Universe with our earthly brains.
2. If you knew the TRUTH, you'd have no way to convince others about it.

My recommendation: look for a way to ask the questions you're interested in, then ponder the answers yourself!

[ThaomasOfGrey]

You frequently hear in Astrap projection experiences of people travelling through space and timeffort and asking entities all sorts of educational questions. Is there anything you have learned in your astral journeys that perhaps sheds light on some of the mysteries of the universe? Do parrallel dimensions exist? Are there other vensigns of ourselves out there? Is the universe infinite? Are there alI ensure?  The list goes on. Anybody had any luck with these sorts of age old questions?

The book series My Big Toe by Tom Campbell is basically an attempt to answer the mystery of the universe with knowledge obtained through astral projection experiences. We can say it is possible to learn something greater than our current understanding without doubt.

It likely that experiences like astral projection are going to advance our understanding of the material universe; Tesla suggested we would advance technology radically faster through astral projections in the future.

My personal experience is that there may be educational entities and, subconscious or not, they are capable of delivering real value. I met one that appeared as a monk and communicated with me psychically. It was a profound understanding delivered through a form of thought control. You ask a question and the understanding of the reply is manufactured in your mind as a personal experience. The thing is that the impact doesn't last - similar to some temporary breakthrough psychedelic drug experiences you could say.

Sometimes we experience parallel realities. There is no way to validate it but the experience is comparable to waking up normally in the morning and going about your usual routine. Early on you notice something about your house is different. It is correct for this reality's version of you, but you know it is different to your house. There is a signature of the scenario that you can perceive with a type of Claire-sense that makes it feel like there is true affinity to this alternate house being yours.

You may have experienced this identity Claire-sense I mentioned by meeting an alternate version of an entity you know in a dream. It is difficult to go as far as to say that it is an alternate reality version of that person, but that is how it seems.

[Xanth]

It likely that experiences like astral projection are going to advance our understanding of the material universe; Tesla suggested we would advance technology radically faster through astral projections in the future.

If you've ever listened to the old TMI explorer "tapes", especially the ones with a young Tom Campbell... he actually goes into some details on technology which humans could use.
I'm not sure if anyone has ever tested them.  I remember one in particular was a free energy machine by placing metal tubes into the ground and other delios... lol

But yeah, science today is too myopic right now.

[interception]

You frequently hear in Astrap projection experiences of people travelling through space and timeffort and asking entities all sorts of educational questions. Is there anything you have learned in your astral journeys that perhaps sheds light on some of the mysteries of the universe? Do parrallel dimensions exist? Are there other vensigns of ourselves out there? Is the universe infinite? Are there alI ensure?  The list goes on. Anybody had any luck with these sorts of age old questions?

Do parallel dimensions exist? Have had experiences which seems to suggest many densities indeed overlap with what we see here in the normal 3D + time universe. These densities occupy the same space in that you don't need to move physically to travel between them - which would make them "parallel" yes? At least that's what it seems like. What you tune into in normal waking consciousness is very limited so its hard to get a real grasp of the mechanics behind it all. And for a reason I guess - self imposed limitations.

Is the "3D shared experience universe" infinite? The pure physical 3D plus time one we all seem to share our minds in? I have no idea - have not run into copies of myself yet. We can only see out to what 13 billion light years?.. but the universe seems to be infinite yes, due to its uniformity and other reasons. And that in itself opens up a whole can of worms. Multiple versions of yourself being a mathematical inevitability then. Add the various infinite higher densities on top of that construct as well as the various "universes" inside waking minds that do not get shared like this one and it gets mind numbing.

[Lumaza]

Do parallel dimensions exist?

I was just getting ready to post in another thread about this very thing.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_quantum_physics/dimensionhopping-t47217.0.html;msg367072#msg367072

I have had many experiences whereas in a LD/OBE I will become consciously aware that I am in some parallel experience. I have never physically been or even known the places and people that I found myself surrounded with, but they all knew me. It's almost like I "walked in" to another's body. Next time this occurs, which is often, I am going to find a mirror. I have a feeling that I don't even look the same.

I have also had many experiences that show me that my NP personality seems to be quite a bit different from my own. I will be aware just as my NP personality has put me in a precarious/dangerous situation. The XXXX is about to hit the fan and then all of a sudden I go from 3rd person (watching it) to 1st person (being in it) immediately. It's like "tag your it". It's always leads to a test, quest or challenge of some sort.

I believe that some other races (Ets), that are possibly millions of years more advanced then us, do the same thing. It's just they have fine tuned their process. I am working towards fine tuning mine as well.

Just a little add on here. I once had a experience whereas I was shown a Black Hole and the other side of it was "white". It was some kind of "Cosmic Recycling Station". I didn't intend to see it. At the time it was probably the furthest thought from my mind. My intent for that session was just to just explore. I was shown much more than I could understand or even could comprehend. That questioned me why was I seeing this in the first place. I'm not a Physicist or Astronomer, but I am a "Adventurer".

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Is the "3D shared experience universe" infinite? The pure physical 3D plus time one we all seem to share our minds in? I have no idea - have not run into copies of myself yet. We can only see out to what 13 billion light years?.. but the universe seems to be infinite yes, due to its uniformity and other reasons. And that in itself opens up a whole can of worms. Multiple versions of yourself being a mathematical inevitability then. Add the various infinite higher densities on top of that construct as well as the various "universes" inside waking minds that do not get shared like this one and it gets mind numbing.

I don't think we would be likely to find alternate versions of ourselves, REALLY far away, within the "same" physical reality.

The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics, which most physicists back today, describes all probable locations of a given particle being encoded into the particle.

Under this interpretation there has to be alternate versions of ourselves that fit a bell curve of probable outcomes, but they are unresolved in terms of a real consciousness collapsing the wave form into an actualized event in our timeline.

We can still experience these unresolved probable outcomes as a dream. It is likely that we do this all the time - if you need a given dream scenario just pull the data out of someone's probable reality.

But what about "real" alternate versions of ourselves that are actualized and have their own separate branches of alternate probable universes? I can't imagine how we would ever prove their existence, but conceptually, to get the most bang for your buck out of simulating a reality like this you might want to make the occasional hard copy of a reality that explores a slightly alternate branch with a high probability of "spiritual success".

[Lumaza]

I don't think we would be likely to find alternate versions of ourselves, REALLY far away, within the "same" physical reality.

The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics, which most physicists back today, describes all probable locations of a given particle being encoded into the particle.

Under this interpretation there has to be alternate versions of ourselves that fit a bell curve of probable outcomes, but they are unresolved in terms of a real consciousness collapsing the wave form into an actualized event in our timeline.

Yes, some say those dimensions lie "within" us. But no, it can't be proven until they, the Scientific community, learn how to enter and exit these other dimensions through a controlled technical environment and can duplicate it repeatedly at will.

[sqprx]

I've learned that when I'm out of body, everything look and feelstwice as real comparing to physical perception. Because you're bypassing that physical interface - brain

[ForrestDean]

My lessons are here on Earth, which is why I am here.  I'll let the mysteries of the Universe reveal themselves to me bit by bit when I am ready.  However, there's certainly nothing wrong with seeking them out.  Exploring is what we love to do.  That burning curiosity is what drives us to learn.

But on another note, Astral Projection or projections of Consciousness is not a necessary requirement to discover the mysteries of the Universe.  It's mysteries are all around us and within us.  They are everywhere.
Projections of Consciousness are an incredible and indescribable experience to be sure, and pearls of wisdom can definitely be obtained by these experiences, but they are definitely not required to obtain these mysteries or to attain enlightenment.  Everything you need is already right here right now.

[baro-san]

My lessons are here on Earth, which is why I am here.  I'll let the mysteries of the Universe reveal themselves to me bit by bit when I am ready.  However, there's certainly nothing wrong with seeking them out.  Exploring is what we love to do.  That burning curiosity is what drives us to learn.

But on another note, Astral Projection or projections of Consciousness is not a necessary requirement to discover the mysteries of the Universe.  It's mysteries are all around us and within us.  They are everywhere.
Projections of Consciousness are an incredible and indescribable experience to be sure, and pearls of wisdom can definitely be obtained by these experiences, but they are definitely not required to obtain these mysteries or to attain enlightenment.  Everything you need is already right here right now.

Would you care to be more specific? I think you got carried away by enthusiasm, as people do when they attend a political rally ...

[ForrestDean]

Would you care to be more specific? I think you got carried away by enthusiasm, as people do when they attend a political rally ...

Hehe, well I don't have any interest in politics, lol. 

Basically every aspect of Universe is within and throughout every aspect of Universe.  If one wants to discover how Universe works and try to unravel it's mysteries, all one has to do is observe and contemplate the world around them.  It is All there.  All it's mysteries could be found in a blade of grass, a grain of sand, in a tree, the ocean, the clouds, the birds, the smallest atom, or the smallest electron, or even the smallest quark.

Also, the Universe holds no secrets.  There are no secrets to unlock.  It is all wide open for anyone to ponder.  If one wants to use Astral Projection to communicate with some "guide" to discover these mysteries then by all means there is nothing wrong with that, but it will get them no faster than what they already have before them now, which is everything they have around them, which includes their surroundings, objects, events, etc.  Every single observable moment is a lesson to be learned.

[Xanth]

Also, I'll add that knowing the fundamentals of the universe wouldn't help you with spiritual growth or anything in regards to spirituality.
It's kind of like driving a car, you don't have to know how the engine works in order to drive a car.
Well, you don't need to know how the universe works in order to be a spiritual being... you only need to learn to Love and everyone has that capacity.

[baro-san]

Also, I'll add that knowing the fundamentals of the universe wouldn't help you with spiritual growth or anything in regards to spirituality.
It's kind of like driving a car, you don't have to know how the engine works in order to drive a car.
Well, you don't need to know how the universe works in order to be a spiritual being... you only need to learn to Love and everyone has that capacity.

I haven't heard, so far, a convincing argument that "learning to love" is what we keep incarnating for. If you have the time and the inclination to support your claim, please do it!

I agree that we don't need to know how the Universe works, even more: I'd say that we probably aren't capable of understanding the how it works. A 3D mind can't understand 4D or higher.

It should be enough to know what is the life lesson we need to learn / experience this time around, but it seems even that is hidden to us until we're ripe to be told when we wask.

[Xanth]

I haven't heard, so far, a convincing argument that "learning to love" is what we keep incarnating for. If you have the time and the inclination to support your claim, please do it!

That's because you haven't put much thought into it.  It's really the ONLY logical conclusion, after all.
This would take much more room than we have here... but in a nutshell...

What's the quickest way for a group of people to succeed?  Love.  For when everyone works together, we can achieve greater things.  However, this is talk of "changing the world"... and yet, you can't change the world.  You can only change yourself, but by each of us changing ourselves, we change the world one person at a time.

Now, what's the quickest way for a group of people to fail?  Fear.  By tearing each other down, we assure our mutual self-annihilation.  Kind of like what we're seeing in the world right now.

So work on learning to Love all those around meet throughout your journey of life.  Unconditionally.  It's not easy.  Still working on that one myself... stupid other drivers...

[ThaomasOfGrey]

Rather than learning to love - what if the purpose is more about learning to experience and pursue the quest of success?

What's the quickest way for a group of people to succeed?  Love

Not necessarily true. The quickest way for people to succeed is to use whatever the most effective strategy is that we can muster. Is said strategy sometimes or a lot of the time, love? Perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to assume that love is the end game and that is locked in for eternity.

The logical conclusion for me is that the point is to find the logical conclusion based on ever growing experience data. Learning to love may only be a bi-product of the actual quest.

[baro-san]

Rather than learning to love - what if the purpose is more about learning to experience and pursue the quest of success?

Not necessarily true. The quickest way for people to succeed is to use whatever the most effective strategy is that we can muster. Is said strategy sometimes or a lot of the time, love? Perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to assume that love is the end game and that is locked in for eternity.

The logical conclusion for me is that the point is to find the logical conclusion based on ever growing experience data. Learning to love may only be a bi-product of the actual quest.

I believe that when souls begin incarnating as humans they have only rudimentary reasoning capability, and are dominated by emotions.

The physical plane, being a less thought responsive environment, allows souls to gradually learn to master their emotions; in the non-physical, emotions like fear quickly spiral out of control creating nightmarish situations.

As humans, souls develop their reasoning while having to solve problems, and participating in various forms of training.

It doesn't make sense to me that we would incarnate in order to "learn to love", and even less to "love unconditionally". I even feel that pursuing such a quest is counterproductive to both reasoning development, and learning to master our emotions.

While on the physical plane, inherently, souls accumulate karma that will have to be cleared. Karma is that which determines what lives we'll live, what experiences we'll go through.

[ThaomasOfGrey]

I believe that when souls begin incarnating as humans they have only rudimentary reasoning capability, and are dominated by emotions.

The physical plane, being a less thought responsive environment, allows souls to gradually learn to master their emotions; in the non-physical, emotions like fear quickly spiral out of control creating nightmarish situations.

As humans, souls develop their reasoning while having to solve problems, and participating in various forms of training.

It doesn't make sense to me that we would incarnate in order to "learn to love", and even less to "love unconditionally". I even feel that pursuing such a quest is counterproductive to both reasoning development, and learning to master our emotions.

I kind of agree but will suggest a different angle in addition. In less structured realities there is an "undo button" for almost any scenario and that makes it difficult to learn to make effective choices. One of the benefits of this reality is that there are consequences for your actions that cannot be taken back.

Why do you think that learning to love is counter productive to reasoning and emotional mastery though?

While on the physical plane, inherently, souls accumulate karma that will have to be cleared. Karma is that which determines what lives we'll live, what experiences we'll go through.

I dunno about that. Karma is a commonly misunderstood concept. The word means action and it refers to how taking an action associates you with other events at a similar level. The idea of some kind of balancing force has always been misinterpretation as far as I understand.

I will admit that people might repeat lessons they fail to learn but I am not sure what that has to do with Karma.

[baro-san]

I kind of agree but will suggest a different angle in addition. In less structured realities there is an "undo button" for almost any scenario and that makes it difficult to learn to make effective choices. One of the benefits of this reality is that there are consequences for your actions that cannot be taken back.

Why do you think that learning to love is counter productive to reasoning and emotional mastery though?

I dunno about that. Karma is a commonly misunderstood concept. The word means action and it refers to how taking an action associates you with other events at a similar level. The idea of some kind of balancing force has always been misinterpretation as far as I understand.

I will admit that people might repeat lessons they fail to learn but I am not sure what that has to do with Karma.

My concept of karma is close to Annie Besant's. You think / desire / do it, you pay for it!

All encompassing love is an utopian concept. It can't be achieved. Look around!

Also, souls are at widely different levels of development, and need a learning environment that gives them the grades they deserve, or they won't progress. A school where everybody is graded "A" isn't a school anymore.