What is the nature of the 3D darkness?

[Omo]

I've never managed to phase successfully, despite many months of trying, as I keep falling asleep while trying to do so, so to avoid this I tried to phase this morning. I noticed that when doing it this morning, with the sun coming into my room, I could see no darkness to look into. This is obvious, though, seeing as the room was not dark, but it made me think about the nature of the darkness that is seen when trying to phase in a darkened room. In both a lit room and a darkened room, what I am seeing before my eyes is obviously the back of my shut eyelids affected by the external lighting condition of the room, hence the absence of darkness in a lit room and its presence in a darkened room.

Having only ever experienced the 3D darkness once, for about 10 seconds, a few months ago, at night in an unlit room, I'm now wandering what exactly the nature of this 3D darkness is. Is it the same as the darkness that is produced by the back of the shut eyelids in an unlit room?

I'd like to think that the 3D darkness wasn't an illusion produced by the physical eyes under unlit room conditions but a genuine experience brought about by a shift in consciousness and, therefore, not dependent on the physical eyes for its manifestation.

Can anyone explain this to me?

[Xanth]

I've come to realize that the 3D Blackness is the "visual-leftovers" from not having any visual stimulus presented to us.

Just like when you hear nothing... you still hear that background sound.  That is the sound of hearing nothing... so you can see there's ALWAYS something there.
Well, the 3D Blackness is like that.  You ALWAYS see something... that's what's left after you've removed everything else.

It's a unique point of reference, in that you can use it to launch yourself into a projection.  Actually, if you're experiencing the 3D blackness, you've pretty much already removed yourself from this physical reality and ARE ALREADY projecting. 

It's definitely no illusion.

[Omo]

Can it be experienced in a lit room, though?

[Astralzombie]

I call it the void and to me it is a blackness with depth and dimension. I can't see any outlines yet I can perceive them. I instinctively know my way around. I can only get there after projecting from a dream and it is usually short lived. It isn't dependent on light or the lack thereof, just a shift in consciousness.

Some people enjoy spending a lot of time there as they say this is where they can hear all sorts of music both known and unknown to them. While I have heard plenty of music, it was never in the void because as I said, my time there is always short.

I agree, it's definitely no illusion.

[Xanth]

Can it be experienced in a lit room, though?

You can experience it anywhere, because it's nothing physical.  Nothing physical initiates it and nothing physical keeps it going.
Actually, it's the lack of a visual physical input.  So, yes, you can experience it in the brightest of lights.

[Omo]

But is it possible to experience it from a starting point of phasing in a lit room, where there is no pre-3D darkness to allow for any "noticing in the darkness" that will then lead to the initiation of the 3D darkness?

[Astralzombie]

But is it possible to experience it from a starting point of phasing in a lit room, where there is no pre-3D darkness to allow for any "noticing in the darkness" that will then lead to the initiation of the 3D darknes

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Yes. That's what we are trying to stress. What we see during an OOBE is not with out physical eyes yet we see just as we do in the physical if not better many times. If we can see light and color without eyes when it is physically dark, it shouldn't be too hard for you to understand that you can see the 3-D blackness without your physical eyes when we are in a bright lit up room.

It has nothing to do with actual eye sight and everything to do with shifting your consciousness and focusing on a different reality.

If you are scared to project when it is dark, try using a small towel to cover your eyes. This will block out any light that isn't completely blocked out by your eyelids.

Good luck with your explorations.

[Omo]

Thanks.

It's just that I'm wondering if the darkness we see when we close our eyes, is seen by the physical eyes or not. I'm guessing it is seen by the physical eyes, as when we close our eyes in a lit room we see no darkness only grey, due to the light of the room not allowing us to see complete darkness behind our eyelids, which are allowing some light in.

My problem is, that whilst I take everyone's word that the 3D blackness is not seen by the physical eyes, I don't understand how one can get to that stage phasing in a lit room, when the eyelids are still letting some light in, and so not allowing the complete blackness needed in order to start noticing things in that blackness; the noticing of which, will, I imagine, lead to the 3D blackness experience.

For me, it's a question of how to get there in a lit room. Not that I have to use a lit room. It's just a question that has been bugging me.

[Xanth]

Thanks.

It's just that I'm wondering if the darkness we see when we close our eyes, is seen by the physical eyes or not. I'm guessing it is seen by the physical eyes, as when we close our eyes in a lit room we see no darkness only grey, due to the light of the room not allowing us to see complete darkness behind our eyelids, which are allowing some light in.

My problem is, that whilst I take everyone's word that the 3D blackness is not seen by the physical eyes, I don't understand how one can get to that stage phasing in a lit room, when the eyelids are still letting some light in, and so not allowing the complete blackness needed in order to start noticing things in that blackness; the noticing of which, will, I imagine, lead to the 3D blackness experience.

For me, it's a question of how to get there in a lit room. Not that I have to use a lit room. It's just a question that has been bugging me.

My understanding is that the initial darkness you see is physical.
The 3D darkness is not physical.  3D darkness is the lack of physical visual input.

[Omo]

Yes, I can agree with that.

I wonder if there is anyone on this forum who phases in a lit room (probably not many) but it would be interesting to hear from them.

[Xanth]

Yes, I can agree with that.

I wonder if there is anyone on this forum who phases in a lit room (probably not many) but it would be interesting to hear from them.

I certainly have.  There's nothing different about it.
There are many others as well... I'm certain of it.

A lot of people project during the morning, when it's very light outside.  There are many more who practice during the mid day.
You certainly don't need darkness to project.  UNLESS, the light distracts you. 

[proyect_outzone]

My understanding is that the initial darkness you see is physical.
The 3D darkness is not physical.  3D darkness is the lack of physical visual input.

The 3D Darkness is a pre stage of the visual perception of visible supernatural experiences. Many of these experiences are 3 dimensional and/or placed in the 3 dimensional environment.

Attempting to see them causes a strong desire to attempt to focus them with physical eyes, this focusing interrupts the viewing process in the same way as a physical movement interrupts the relaxation. Thats the reason, why most people see only 3D darkness and nothing more. If one manages to withstand the desire to focus and observes without any physical movement of the eyes, the visible supernatural experiences appear. But withstanding this desire needs lot of practice and experience. And observing the supernatural experiences needs many practice too. So its not learned in 2 days. But practicing this during a part of the attempts of making an out of body experience is a good way to use the time for two purposes. The continuing of the relaxation leads directly to the out of bod experience. And even failed attempts have then a chance to succeed later. They cause significantly higher chances of accidential out of body experiences after falling asleep, if one practiced certain supernatural methods during the attempt (observation of visible supernatural experiences is only one of several suitable methods to supplement obe attempts).

[Xanth]

Sure, if you want to label/describe it like that.  It's all good. 

[Omo]

Attempting to see them causes a strong desire to attempt to focus them with physical eyes, this focusing interrupts the viewing process in the same way as a physical movement interrupts the relaxation. Thats the reason, why most people see only 3D darkness and nothing more. If one manages to withstand the desire to focus and observes without any physical movement of the eyes, the visible supernatural experiences appear.

When you say, "see them" what are you referring to? And do you mean that we have to keep our physical eyes motionless and unfocused while looking into the pre-3D blackness? And are you saying that we have to do this to avoid, or bypass, seeing the 3D blackness? Is the 3D blackness something that we should avoid seeing, so that we can go straight into the astral?

[proyect_outzone]

If you concentrate on viewing into the blackness you begin to see:

blackness, which transforms then into 3D-blackness. Then blurry shapes appear, which transforms continously into more and more clearly visible stuff

The kind of visible stuff is manifold. Most common are colors, which transform into filligrane hair like structures (Aura, the hair structure is the detailled energy field). But there can be many things seen.

Is the 3D blackness something that we should avoid seeing, so that we can go straight into the astral?

No, you can just continue. But i suggest to concentrate not during the whole attempt on the eyes. Not everyone can leave the body during the concentration on visible things. But its possible and an awesome experience.

[Lionheart]

 I find the 3D Darkness a great place to just think. To be there in the now, with no reliving the past or worrying about the future.

Just a place where you can stay as long as you wish, in the "here and now"! 

It's a place of total peace and tranquility and you have the ability to leave it at will with just a mere thought or intent.

[Szaxx]

If you can imagine the physical world as a view through a window. The window has blinds and these are edge on while awake. When you phase the position you are in changes and the blinds appear to block some of the view through the window. As you phase further the view will get blocked by the blinds. Now imagine the blinds are a tv screen. Each strip being part of the full picture. You would see two pictures simultaneously while phasing. This is the noise and visionary artefacts that are seen. It's confusing for the brain to interpret two simultaneous views. Phasing deeper the physical gets removed from view leaving the non physical. Once this full picture appears you can then mix with it and it becomes your new reality.
Unlike the window view where you can only see the events through it, the blinds picture you control it with your thoughts. There is a point when the blinds have just shut out the physical, where the void is at. It's a balance and it doesn't matter what light is physically there, you've entered another reality and the physical is shut off from view.
I hope this explains it well enough to understand the concept.
You are still tied to the physical in body but your mind isn't. You've projected it into an alternate reality where thoughts manifest.

[Omo]

When you say not to concentrate on the eyes, do you mean we should keep the eyes looking straight ahead and not moving them to see interesting things that may be going on in our peripheral vsion?

[Omo]

My last post was addressed to proyect_outzone by the way. I forgot to quote him.

[Lionheart]

My last post was addressed to proyect_outzone by the way. I forgot to quote him.

Project_outzone can still answer your question, but I will give you a tip that you might find fun to try.

Instead of focusing on what your "eyes" are seeing. Try using the intent that you wish to "return to Source" or try turning your focus "inner".

These always have unique results for me! 

[Omo]

Thanks, but can you be a bit more specific?

[proyect_outzone]

When you say not to concentrate on the eyes, do you mean we should keep the eyes looking straight ahead and not moving them to see interesting things that may be going on in our peripheral vsion?

Its hard to describe. I use a comparison. When yopu watch on a object, your eyes must adjust sharpness. When you look at your monitor, and hold then your hand in front of your eyes, the eyes must adjust sharpness to make hand "visible". The eyes do this more or less automatically. This is physical focusing. When you see something supernatural, the eyes try to focus it pysically like the hand in front of your eyes, after you watched the monitor. This physical focusing should be avoided. Its hard to learn, but it can be learned.

Peripheral vision is a simple way to reduce the desire to focus. But the results of peripheral vision are by far not as good, as the direct vision of supernatural things, while one withstands the desire of focusing during observation.

[Omo]

Thanks.