What is the point of the physical world?

[daytona955]

Hi,

I've been trying to project now for a couple of months and I think I've come close but I'm not sure.
I've had spontaneous sleep paralysis since I was about 10 but I have always shook myself out of it due to been scared. I was only when researching SP that I found out about the link between SP and AP, so I have been trying. I think I managed to get my hand free one morning and I could see straight through it! But I'm not sure if I was just lucid dreaming?? I could also see my eyelashes, but not blurry like when you squint your eyes, they were all in focus and perfectly formed. Is that normal??

To get to the point, I really want to believe in the Astral Plane, so if it exists, what is the point of this physical one? Why is the Astral Plane so unbelievable to other people if they are like minded spirits?

Cheers,
Daytona955

[David Warner]

it exists... does take time, patience and persistence...

OBE doesn't come over night - it takes time and complete total dedication.

dw

[Xanth]

Hi,

I've been trying to project now for a couple of months and I think I've come close but I'm not sure.

Hi there daytona955

Welcome to the Astral Pulse... let's see if we can't try to help you a bit.

I've had spontaneous sleep paralysis since I was about 10 but I have always shook myself out of it due to been scared.

As I mentioned to someone else earlier, there's nothing to be afraid of in Sleep Paralysis... in this case, you're your own worst enemy.
When you encounter it, just stay relaxed and calm... try not to think about much.

I was only when researching SP that I found out about the link between SP and AP, so I have been trying. I think I managed to get my hand free one morning and I could see straight through it! But I'm not sure if I was just lucid dreaming?? I could also see my eyelashes, but not blurry like when you squint your eyes, they were all in focus and perfectly formed. Is that normal??

Perfectly normal. 
However, instead of trying to move a limb... try to roll your entire body!  Just try to physically roll over!
If that doesn't work, just visualize yourself as a giant balloon floating upwards towards your ceiling.

To get to the point, I really want to believe in the Astral Plane, so if it exists, what is the point of this physical one?

Some people, such as myself, believe this physical reality exists to EXPERIENCE things in.  There are some things you can only experience while being physical. 

Why is the Astral Plane so unbelievable to other people if they are like minded spirits?

Because we're taught and conditioned to believe that if you can't physically see it, touch it, taste it, smell it or hear it... then it doesn't really exist.

[CFTraveler]

Hi,



To get to the point, I really want to believe in the Astral Plane, so if it exists, what is the point of this physical one?

I'm not sure why you have to believe in the astral plane.  You either experience it or you don't.   And the answer to the first question is simple and complicated at the same time: To experience.  Any and all planes (which contrary to popular opinion, does not mean 'flat') are just ways to experience.  So why only have one type of experience?  All the manifest world is there to be experienced, if not it would not be manifest to begin with. 

Why is the Astral Plane so unbelievable to other people if they are like minded spirits?

Who said they are like minded spirits?  We may all be spirits, but we think with our minds, filtered by experience.  So if each and everyone's experience is unique, why would we think the same way?

Cheers,
Daytona955

Right back at'cha- CF.

[Unabomber]

The physical realm was originally intended as a conspiracy, basically - to harvest and extract energy from the "prisoners" thru means of suffering and temptation. Now it has become much more of a battlefield for power and energy, on all levels of the food chain, within this 12-universe superstructure.

It is said that astral inhabitants just wish they could incarnate (but there not being enough slots on Earth) because so much energy has shifted from the astral to the physical that there is very little left in the astral, and so it is very hard to survive energetically, over there.

[Xanth]

The physical realm was originally intended as a conspiracy, basically - to harvest and extract energy from the "prisoners" thru means of suffering and temptation. Now it has become much more of a battlefield for power and energy, on all levels of the food chain, within this 12-universe superstructure.

It is said that astral inhabitants just wish they could incarnate (but there not being enough slots on Earth) because so much energy has shifted from the astral to the physical that there is very little left in the astral, and so it is very hard to survive energetically, over there.

That goes contrary to my own beliefs that WE created this physical reality for ourselves as a means of experiencing.

I never really bought into Robert Monroe's "Loosh" idea... which seems to be the basis of what you're talking about. 

But meh, just personal opinion. 

[AlanRK]

"Why does the physical exist" is an immense question, one that won't be answered via a forum. My personal view is that it exists for us to experience and suffer, so that we may learn and grow.

[Taoistguy]

"Why does the physical exist" is an immense question, one that won't be answered via a forum. My personal view is that it exists for us to experience and suffer, so that we may learn and grow.

And suffer??? You think it's a hell?

What about joy and passion and Love? They are just as equal as suffering?

[moondreamer]

My own theory is that it is to experience and gain knowledge of how we affect our lives and those around us.  The results of our actions and those around us teach us about suffering, pain, joy, love, etc.

[daytona955]

Thanks for your comments everyone, much appreciated!

Because we're taught and conditioned to believe that if you can't physically see it, touch it, taste it, smell it or hear it... then it doesn't really exist.

Makes sense!

As I mentioned to someone else earlier, there's nothing to be afraid of in Sleep Paralysis... in this case, you're your own worst enemy.
When you encounter it, just stay relaxed and calm... try not to think about much.

I did just go with it recently and the vibrations started! Really intense experience, but again I got scared. I've since had the vibrations and tried to remain calm, and that's when I got my hand out but the rest was stuck. I'll try the roll method next.

[AlanRK]

And suffer??? You think it's a hell?

What about joy and passion and Love? They are just as equal as suffering?

Well that depends on your perspective of the world. In mine I think suffering disproportionately outweigh's happiness, and I would personally say this is completely accurate based on the state of the world and the state of the average person. Joy, compassion, love, in this world it is very scarce and most of the amount which people think is true happiness is just some illusionary romantic ideal.

And I do not mean we are here to just smoulder in the lack of comfort, but to learn from this world since it is a difficult place to live in. Compared to the higher dimensional regions, yes this place can be considered hellish, but obviously there is some purpose behind it otherwise people would not keep choosing to incarnate here.

[OutOfThePrison]

Only humankind searches a meaning to the physical life, because they are the only creature in this world that suffers. And that's the reason why the homo sapiens wants to explore the reality, tries to give a meaning to the life: Pain... The next step is wisdom after liberating yourself from your pains, and then you can be able to experience the life with it's infinite love.

[Bellend_1010]

The point of the physical world is to meet wonderful people like me.

[Taoistguy]

Only humankind searches a meaning to the physical life, because they are the only creature in this world that suffers. And that's the reason why the homo sapiens wants to explore the reality, tries to give a meaning to the life: Pain... The next step is wisdom after liberating yourself from your pains, and then you can be able to experience the life with it's infinite love.

Animals suffer. Insects suffer. Vegetation suffers.
Rocks suffer.

[CFTraveler]

The point of the physical world is to meet wonderful people like me.

WIN!

[Xanth]

Well that depends on your perspective of the world. In mine I think suffering disproportionately outweigh's happiness, and I would personally say this is completely accurate based on the state of the world and the state of the average person. Joy, compassion, love, in this world it is very scarce and most of the amount which people think is true happiness is just some illusionary romantic ideal.

Personally speaking, I don't believe that at all.
The problem is that the "bad stuff" just gets reported more often.

They don't usually report on the good stuff in life, because it doesn't get people to watch your news or read your media.
They don't report on the births... the weddings... the friendships... the awesome things in life.  All we see is "MURDER" this and "EARTHQUAKE" that...

I think the state of the world is actually a lot better than most people think it is because they believe the media has the final say. 

[AlanRK]

Personally speaking, I don't believe that at all.
The problem is that the "bad stuff" just gets reported more often.

They don't usually report on the good stuff in life, because it doesn't get people to watch your news or read your media.
They don't report on the births... the weddings... the friendships... the awesome things in life.  All we see is "MURDER" this and "EARTHQUAKE" that...

I think the state of the world is actually a lot better than most people think it is because they believe the media has the final say. 

I wasn't factoring in the media at all, I base my viewpoint on my personal interactions and what I can observe. And even then not just what I can see, but what is really there beneath the layers and in the depths to the heart of things. Superficial things like weddings appear "good", but to put it crudely people at parties tend to be satisfied at the time because there's free food and free drinks. I have never met someone who is truly happy and satisfied with their lives overall. Sure, people can have temporary euphoria with many forms of escapism, but overall in the heart of things there is a great deal of unhappiness. Even in little subtle things which seem meaningless and appear to bring happiness, there is underneath it an underlying necessity for that thing because of a general state of unhappiness.

[Taoistguy]

Well, even disaters can have their up side. It can generate community cohesion and show the good in people who help. Ypu say you see lots on negativity. Yes, there is negativity out there and most of what you describe seems to me political. Myself, on the other hand, see lots of positivity.
Overall, I don't believe in either negative or positive. " sides of the same coin to me. I only see the coin.

[AlanRK]

Well, even disaters can have their up side. It can generate community cohesion and show the good in people who help. Ypu say you see lots on negativity. Yes, there is negativity out there and most of what you describe seems to me political. Myself, on the other hand, see lots of positivity.
Overall, I don't believe in either negative or positive. " sides of the same coin to me. I only see the coin.

On the topic of community cohesion, usually that is something "achieved" out of fear, pride, or hatred for some "others". I would say this counts as something negative, even if the outcome is temporarily positive.

I don't think anything which I said above could be misconstrued as containing political elements.

[Xanth]

On the topic of community cohesion, usually that is something "achieved" out of fear, pride, or hatred for some "others". I would say this counts as something negative, even if the outcome is temporarily positive.

I don't think anything which I said above could be misconstrued as containing political elements.

LoL You seem to have a very bleak view of the world... it might be why you sound so cynical. 

[Taoistguy]

I;m meant to be the cynical one.
I;m the only cynic in the village!

[AlanRK]

LoL You seem to have a very bleak view of the world... it might be why you sound so cynical. 

Well since I am a product of the world, what does that say about the world?

[moondreamer]

Life is not about suffering unless that is what you choose.  We cannot always choose our circumstances, but we have full control on how we react to them.  We are in full choice as to whether we "suffer" or not.

Angie

[Xanth]

Well since I am a product of the world, what does that say about the world?

I like to say that I hate humanity... but in the same breath, I can also see that there is vastly more beauty and good than there is bad on this planet.  
I'm a product of the same world... difference... perception.  

[Xanth]

Life is not about suffering unless that is what you choose.  We cannot always choose our circumstances, but we have full control on how we react to them.  We are in full choice as to whether we "suffer" or not.

Angie

This is ever so true... and is something I figured out not too long ago myself.
I choose how I react to situations...

For example... driving... I can get cut off by someone and get all ticked off at them for it... or I can just accept it happened and go on with my day.  I choose now to simply get on with my day.  And I remain that much more relaxed.