Why?

[sublime]

I'd like to think that people like us (those who are interested in our soul and seek to know answers) were chosen (by God or whoever you would like to believe in) and that one day we will possibly have a task because we are more spiritually advanced and we actually care more than most people do. I'm not saying those people who do not care are bad people, they just weren't supposed to care I guess? I guess we'll all find out if this meant anything in the end.

[Tom]

It is more a function of the words which we choose than anything else. Appearances are just that.

[Robin]

sublime yes I can see what your saying. I guess were only take on what we know our soul can handle. It just makes me wonder... maybe in a past life the shoe was on the other foot and I wanted to feel spiritual this time around. Possibly to touch someone life in a positive way.

Tom Appearances are just that is right. Function of the words are as important as they mean to you.

[Mgkeeper]

i think the diffrence between spiritually aware ppl, and non-spiritually aware people is that the nons choose not to believe in these things. I dont want to think, that we have to be chosen to experience spiritual things, because thats kinda unfair dont you think? And i think everybody has spiritual experiences. The ones who go further with it, and get into spiritual things, are more open minded, and the others just blow it off as a dream or whatever.

[Tom]

It is unfair only for people who know what they are missing out on but feel unable to participate. People who do not care about spiritual things do not know what they are missing and cannot feel the loss.

[Mgkeeper]

thats true, what i meant is, in regards to whoever said that maybe more spiritual people are chosen by god. Im not saying ur wrong, but i think thats unfair. I mean if 2 people want to be spiritual, one cant be more spiritual just because they were chosen to be. Right??

[Tom]

I do not believe in God or anyone else who can control our lives. We all have tendencies from previous lives, however, and the decisions we have already made in this life. Each person can choose between spirituality and materialism at any time. The challenge is that we are more likely to choose materialism as a result of previous decisions and tendencies. It could even be called karma, be we are not victims.

[Leviiathan]

quote:Originally posted by Tom

I do not believe in God or anyone else who can control our lives.

The difference between Fate and Destiny is perspective and retrospect. In looking forward, one can say they form their own destiny, but in memory, their life has been ordained in fate.

As for God controlling our lives, I don't look at this optimistically. If there was in fact a supreme being directing all of us as part of some grand, master plan, it would mean that we ourselves have no free will. Even if we DID have free will, under this scenario, the free will to decide our own actions would be completely artificial (we think we are making individual actions, when in truth it is God that is making them for us). Raising the bar further, anyone could say that mass murder, and sin are the result of God's actions, since it is He that is directing us to do so (as part of His mater plan). I'll end it here since this itself would be such an open-ended topic of discussion (I can hear the fundamentalists screaming out that Sin is the result of human error, and it is Satan that plays on this weakness of ourselves, exploiting it so that we will turn away from God).

[Leviiathan]

quote:Originally posted by sublime

I'd like to think that people like us (those who are interested in our soul and seek to know answers) were chosen (by God or whoever you would like to believe in) and that one day we will possibly have a task because we are more spiritually advanced and we actually care more than most people do. I'm not saying those people who do not care are bad people, they just weren't supposed to care I guess? I guess we'll all find out if this meant anything in the end.

It's nice to think such things []. My personal opinion is that we are not chosen by God for any such purpose (to guide others).

I am a spiritual anarchist, and my form of spirituality is of no such religion. It is neither Western fundmanetalist, nor the messy ignorant generalization that is New Age. What I follow is a spiritual form of introvertism, which involves the exploration of the microcosm. Since I am agnostic, I find the exploitation of a creator's avatar to be not only erroneous, but also inconclusive, if not inconsistent with himself. One should merely accept the existence of a creator, who by understanding is an absolute, who's craftmanship dwells in every aspect of society, and all tiers of the Universe. The Universe is but a reflection of something, and it is this undefinable state that I accept as God. Like a blackhole, all we shall percieve is the event horizon, but in this case, a living macrocosm. The macrocosm lives, not as we do, but as an object that exists. I believe that an understanding and union with the microcosm is fundamental before the understanding and union with the macrocosm can be gained. I certainly do not believe that we ourselves are Gods as New Age seems to indicate.

People must first see themselves before they can see the universe around them. Prayer, faith, religion: it's all different forms of introvertism at work (the process of going within). Those who have no time for spirituality, or meditation (and are content living within the materialistic reality) have agreed with themselves that they are content living in a shell that has no outer boundaries without even realizing this.

Human society is interesting. The reason why you believe that we are destined by God to help others is because that is how society has conformed you. The factors that have shaped (human nature, conscious) as well has indeed led you to understand that the less fortunate (or ignorant) are deserving to be guided into developing a spiritual side to themselves. In one respect, it is almost pity, because you yourself feel they are lacking something so beautifully strong and crucially important to their existence. But calling it pity would mean that you feel sorry for them. For one, like myself, who relishes in being able to help someone else, he (or she) could coin this a process of being compassionate. Part of it could also be pride (in feeling important).

Predestiny by God? I would think not. What I think is that human compassion is at work here. It is human nature for everyone to help those around them. If you were predestined by God, you'd be a pawn of some chess player, having no free will / having artificial will that is not actually your own.

[Robin]

Why is it that some people like myself have experienced so many spiritual things and yet many others don't? When I was 9 I saw a movie at the theater about near death experiences and it was at that move that my heart was in my throat I really was moved. Is it that my soul wants me to have spiritual experiences to keep me in check sort of remind me of where I come from and that I will have to answer for how my life touched others? Am I not a very evolved soul and this is why I naturally enjoy spiritual experiences (obe's, dream communication, divine inspiration/love...)  to always point me in the right direction which is to love? I know people who live 9 to 5 jobs and are so happy with TV time, media, could care less about anything spiritual, and also are very loving kind people. Maybe they new they did not need to connect with our true being to finish there lessons because there souls are more evolved? I never stop searching for answers is this my souls nudging or just human curiosity? The worlds a stage for many things.Why is it that out of all of my experiences my souls aches more for the divine experiences then the astral, and all other experiences?