Why cant i see myself when out of body??

[Cian]

hey guys, been a while since ive been on here and im back with a question.

every time i go out of body and look back on the bed expecting to see myself lying there,, well im not there. just an empty bed! any ideas why this is? also on a number of occasions i wandered around my house and found items that dont exist there. stupid things like a 12pack of 7up kinda stupid.. what ye think?

[Volgerle]

I also saw myself only once (pretty real though). But on many other times I experience the same as you do.

Well, maybe it is because what you see in the "RTZ" as some call it (slightly incorrectly to me), is a non-physical version of your room or house (or the material plane in general) but in non-physical energetic matter. It is not the room per se.

That does on the other hand not mean that it is not "real", every plane is a "reality".
This "reality" (RTZ) is possibly just the energetic imprint of the material plane, mixed up with "other Astral stuff" like e.g. your thought forms you can create there. Reality fluctuations.

Another possibility and a reality fluctuation is also the time-aspect. You can never be certain to "see" the things displayed as during the "real time" on the material plane. So possibly you see your room, but a version of it in another time frame. That could also explain "your absence" in the bed.

Just my 2-and-a-half cents.

[personalreality]

because you're not actually "out of your body".

people see themselves because they expect to subconsciously. 

you are consciously looking for yourself because subconsciously you probably don't entirely believe that your body should be laying there sleeping and so you don't see anything.

i have never seen my body left behind, even though i have expected to.  who knows though, maybe it's the other way around.

[Naykid]

I've seen myself.

[Greytraveller]

Hallo Cian
Sometimes your astral awareness will play tricks on you. It is just faulty perception, maybe caused by being too close to the physical body. It happens to many people and that includes me. My advice is to not be concerned. Concentrate on doing something else during the OBE.

personalreality, your quote

because you're not actually "out of your body

What do mean??? 
Can you explain???

Regards   
Grey

[kailaurius]

Hi Grey,

We never leave our physical body during a projection experience.  That is nothing more than a perception.  All projection experiences (Out of Body Experiences, Lucid Dreams, and Astral Projections - all being the same thing, just perceived differently) occur within.  Even the term within is not really an appropriate word, but for the purpose of describing projection experiences is probably the most appropriate given the limited scope of the human language within a linear, dualistic existence.

[OutOfThePrison]

I experienced the same thing  few months ago. I seperated from the physical body and then I looked to the bed to see my body and I saw an empty bed. After a while I saw my physical body in the bed, but my face was looking diffrent and it was just like shaking and talking. I think this event happens when you don't fully take the control in Astral, and your awareness is near to dream mode. Once I read an article in internet that says there are many people that can't sees theirselves in the bed when they project, because they are in physical and astral plane in the same time, so there is nothing to see in the bed! Your conscioussness stucks between physical and astral so it causes a chaotic experience.

[rangestormer]

Hi Grey,

We never leave our physical body during a projection experience.  That is nothing more than a perception.  All projection experiences (Out of Body Experiences, Lucid Dreams, and Astral Projections - all being the same thing, just perceived differently) occur within.  Even the term within is not really an appropriate word, but for the purpose of describing projection experiences is probably the most appropriate given the limited scope of the human language within a linear, dualistic existence.

If we don't leave our bodies, then it is not possible to actually go around the physical world through projection and there is no RTZ as some call it, is this true or am I getting it wrong. Just curious, as I am still not succesful APer. 

[kailaurius]

If we don't leave our bodies, then it is not possible to actually go around the physical world through projection and there is no RTZ as some call it, is this true or am I getting it wrong. Just curious, as I am still not succesful APer. 

Hi rangestormer,

That is correct.  We do not move around the physical during a projection experience.  The term "Real Time Zone" or RTZ is nothing more than a label used to describe a perception based upon how we experience the projection.  We do not even "move" around the "physical" when we are awake during the day while "doing" our normal activities.  Everything is Energy, whether we are consciously awake within the illusion we call the physical reality or exploring the inner realms during conscious projections while sleeping or meditating.  But that is entirely another topic.

[Volgerle]

We do not move around the physical during a projection experience.  The term "Real Time Zone" or RTZ is nothing more than a label used to describe a perception based upon how we experience the projection.  We do not even "move" around the "physical" when we are awake during the day while "doing" our normal activities.  Everything is Energy, whether we are consciously awake within the illusion we call the physical reality or exploring the inner realms during conscious projections while sleeping or meditating.  But that is entirely another topic.

well, in an abolute sense you might be right, then there is strictly (and absolutely) speaking no "out of the body" as there is no "in the body" either 

but if we revert to Relativism, which we as humans usually do to represent our "view"point, it still makes sense to use these labels since they describe the perceptions within the reality frame we call "the physical" / "material plane/dimension" / "our universe" or whatever you want to call it

these perceptions/experiences exist on this level and are in place according to the rule-set of this "mode" / focus / plane we're in here, and those rules that were implemented (not by us for sure) are adhered to automatically by our downloaded individuated consciousness, well, usually ... with breaches being called "paranormal", "mystic",  or similar.

in "the astral" (one perceived reality of many) it is possible to "view" the physical (another perceived reality of many) - or at least a representation of it  (almost) as it looks;  sometimes ... and sometimes not ... that's the strange thing I also experience(d) in the recent past

Btw, I don't think they are "illusions", that's such an inflationary term nowadays when we describe these experiences. I think we should turn it around:they are all realities. Only the prevalent concepts that the majority of our society (mainstream) has of these realties are illusions. 

[personalreality]

Hallo Cian
Sometimes your astral awareness will play tricks on you. It is just faulty perception, maybe caused by being too close to the physical body. It happens to many people and that includes me. My advice is to not be concerned. Concentrate on doing something else during the OBE.

personalreality, your quote

What do mean??? 
Can you explain???

Regards   
Grey

I mean you haven't assumed spirit form and separated your consciousness from your body.  But that's just my opinion on the matter, who really knows.  I see projection as a dissociation of the mind from the physical body.  Now, where the mind goes, if it goes anywhere, I cannot say.  But you know, non-locality, quantum physics, all that jazz, our mind can be elsewhere without traveling just as fast as you can think.  I personally have never had an experience that says to me, "You are no longer in your body.  You have separated your astral body and are moving away."  I don't necessarily believe in an "astral body".