I don't get it. So many talk on here about sleep paralysis and how they are always trying to get it maybe after sleeping to try to awake from it to somehow AP from there but what I don't understand is why does it work from sleep paralysis? all sleep paralysis is seems to be an automatic precaution the body takes when your asleep that you cannot move so you don't end up acting out your dreams. How can this be of use for AP attempts?
Pls someone tell me why this state is considered very good for AP attempts.
It's just another method for projecting. People might consider it the "holy grail" only because that's how Robert Monroe did it. It's just "another method" for projecting. Nothing special about it.
The idea is that when you're in Sleep Paralysis you're, technically, already disconnected from your body... so it's at that point you do the roll out.
Quote from: Ryan_ on October 01, 2011, 21:02:32
The idea is that when you're in Sleep Paralysis you're, technically, already disconnected from your body... so it's at that point you do the roll out.
But how do you know your in it if your asleep?
I had my first OBE experience this morning. Trust me you will know! You will know if you are in sleep paralysis too because you won't be able to move. I have been in this position a few times and freaked myself out. Don't though it's all natural. Be positive and go from there man. Keep focused! From my experience with the sleep paralysis I could see out of my physical eyes but could not move or speak. As to how I got to the sleep paralysis state I am not sure. :/
Hope I helped a little man.
Good luck.
-Cody
Quote from: Gummage on October 01, 2011, 21:21:30
But how do you know your in it if your asleep?
As Army said, if you're in bed, and you wake up unable to move... you're in Sleep Paralysis. :)
Ive personally never tried for, or experienced sleep paralysis. Its like the Vibrations. People set them as a goal. I see posts such as "how do I get sleep paralysis" and "how do I get vibrations" when they really should be focussing on the end result of projecting. Things such as SP and vibrations are simply signals along the way to projecting and some people get neither but can project just fine.
I understand what happens but I don't get why this helps an AP attempt?
Sleep paralysis is "the holy grail" because if you're in sleep paralysis, only your body is asleep, not your mind(hopefully) so then you could easily attempt to "move" your consciousness out of your body since it's disconnected already. I found it works quite well if you can relax you body enough into it, I've only managed to do that a couple of times, mostly from waking myself up then going back to bed. But it is only a landmark, after a bit you should start to get a feel for when it's time to separate.
I found in sleep paralysis I cannot breathe either. I think I actually am breathing but am so disconnected from my body I don't realize it. It's not dangerous it can just be frightening if you don't know what this is you know? I remember once I had a sleep paralysis episode. I didn't know what it was because I was not into this OBE stuff. I couldn't breathe, move, talk, or hear, and I was shaking. (Vibration state maybe and didn't realize it?) I saw crosses on my wall and they were shaking as well. I am not a religious guy so I had no idea what was going on.
Quote from: Gummage on October 02, 2011, 12:49:05
I understand what happens but I don't get why this helps an AP attempt?
Waking up in SP means you can go straight to the exit technique instead of having to spend time getting into a decent trance and trying to disassociate from your body. It saves time and removes all the doubt about whether it's safe to try and move yet.
QuoteBut how do you know your in it if your asleep?
you wont know if you are asleep in sleep paralysis you will only be able to tell if you are awake in sleep paralysis (if that makes sense). Everynight people sleep and dream while in sleep paralysis. but if you are awake you could experiance things like vibrations, buzzing, voices and visual hallucinations. you also might feel paralysed, weight on your chest etc.
I haven't actually felt paralysis or anything like that for a while cause the SP never lasts long before I am out.
Quote from: Gummage on October 02, 2011, 12:49:05
I understand what happens but I don't get why this helps an AP attempt?
I already mentioned why:
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The idea is that when you're in Sleep Paralysis you're, technically, already disconnected from your body... so it's at that point you do the roll out."
Quote from: Ryan_ on October 02, 2011, 20:15:36
I already mentioned why:
"The idea is that when you're in Sleep Paralysis you're, technically, already disconnected from your body... so it's at that point you do the roll out."
So you don't feel your body at all? I mean nothing at all?
You could still feel some percentage, sure.
Quote from: Ryan_ on October 03, 2011, 00:03:04
You could still feel some percentage, sure.
I don't think i've ever woken up in sleep paralysis in my life. I will try to though.
Quote from: Gummage on October 03, 2011, 00:14:43
I will try to though.
I think you would be better off focusing your attention on the overall goal of projection rather than just on SP.
How long on average does SP start after you have gone to sleep?
Sleep Induced Paralysis would be a better term.. but it's too much of a mouthful :)
Quote from: Gummage on October 03, 2011, 17:55:45
How long on average does SP start after you have gone to sleep?
Pretty much immediately after. However, you aren't going to get there easily if you've never been there before. In order for your awareness to be in the moment after your body shuts down, you need to train your mind to be in the moment habitually. That means regular meditation. That in combination with the "wake back to bed" method gets me into pre-projection sleep paralysis 80% of the time.
I also wanted to quickly ask: does everyone get SP?
Nope.
Oh I thought everyone got it automatically every night?
Quote from: Gummage on October 04, 2011, 15:27:39
Oh I thought everyone got it automatically every night?
You become paralyzed every night when you fall asleep and dream, yes.
That's not Sleep Paralysis.
Generally, this effect is applied to us after we fall asleep and wears off just before we wake up.
Sleep Paralysis is the name we call it ONLY when that effect malfunctions and it happens before you fall asleep or you wake up before it wears off.
Isnt that waking sleep paralysis?
Quote from: blis on October 04, 2011, 16:33:43
Isnt that waking sleep paralysis?
Naturally, it's called "REM Atonia"... you're never meant to experience it consciously.
When it's consciously experienced it's called "Sleep Paralysis".
Quote from: Gummage on October 04, 2011, 15:27:39
Oh I thought everyone got it automatically every night?
This is the way I discovered AP. At first I thought my sleep paralysis was a sleep disorder of some kind (still considered to be by some people). The body goes into a state of paralysis when you sleep to stop you from acting out your dreams. One day when I was still a child I suddenly woke up, but could not move, not even my eyes, it was a pretty scary problem I was having on and off for about 20+ years after that time. Only when one day I all of a sudden started experiencing vibrations did I decide to continue researching into it, and I found that my problem was infact a blessing!
Thanks to Astral Pulse!
it's not, it's a stupid notion, forget it. just go to sleep but don't let your mind fall asleep. easy as pie.
Quote from: daytona955 on October 05, 2011, 08:37:13
This is the way I discovered AP. At first I thought my sleep paralysis was a sleep disorder of some kind (still considered to be by some people). The body goes into a state of paralysis when you sleep to stop you from acting out your dreams. One day when I was still a child I suddenly woke up, but could not move, not even my eyes, it was a pretty scary problem I was having on and off for about 20+ years after that time. Only when one day I all of a sudden started experiencing vibrations did I decide to continue researching into it, and I found that my problem was infact a blessing!
Thanks to Astral Pulse!
That's the strange thing for you then.
In normal REM Atonia... there are only two muscles in your body that DO NOT get paralyzed. One is your heart, DUH. LoL The other are your eyes.
Quite right hence Rapid Eye Movement! :roll:
I can't say I've checked since, maybe I was toooo terrified back then!
The first thought I have now when I get SP is 'GET UP AND OUT!' :wink:
Quote from: daytona955 on October 05, 2011, 11:40:55
Quite right hence Rapid Eye Movement! :roll:
I can't say I've checked since, maybe I was toooo terrified back then!
The first thought I have now when I get SP is 'GET UP AND OUT!' :wink:
hehe it's amazing how much a persons attitude can change with a bit of knowledge and understanding. :)
Quote from: personalreality on October 05, 2011, 08:55:50
it's not, it's a stupid notion, forget it. just go to sleep but don't let your mind fall asleep. easy as pie.
How is this easy?
practice.
I also spent years thinking my sleep paralysis was some kind of sleep disorder or possible demon attacks lol sounds retarded now. I still think sleep paralysis is the easiest way to project. Oh and also I read somewhere that almost every single person will experience waking sleep paralysis at some stage in there life. I think it is worth seeing if you can induce it.
here's the problem.
the goal isn't "sleep paralysis" or the so-called "mind awake/body asleep".
the goal is disassociation. you want to "disassociate" your conscious awareness from your body. unplug is an apt description. unplug from external sensory information. you want to focus instead on internal sensory information, internal here means anything you believe to be "the astral" (if that's a literal "other world" or just your imagination, doesn't matter).
when you make sleep paralysis your goal, you are still focusing on your body. even when in sleep paralysis, you are usually still aware of your body. so it's not about "not feeling your body", it's deeper than that. it's about not knowing (or caring for all intents and purposes) that your body is there.
but by all means, for those of you who know how to make use of sleep paralysis, go for it. but it's not something you can "achieve". rem atonia (actual sleep paralysis) and the feeling of not feeling your body that is induced as you go to sleep are not the same thing.
For myself sleep paralysis is a difficult state for me to get in. But when I can manage to obtain that state all I have to do is shake my way out of my body and I am in full OBE. Usually I just daydream and stay focused on OBEing. At a certain point I can literally feel my body change. I let it do its thing and then roll my way out. I used to be terrified of sleep paralysis. I love the feeling now. Because I now know it's natural and I will be out of body before I know it. Just got to hold those feelings and not get to excited!
I'll put in my two cents. :)
I'm plagued with Sleep Paralysis. Happens more than I'm comfortable with at the moment. I've only recently realized you can AP from the SP, so I've been giving it my best shot. I haven't had anything happen yet, but only because I still can't get over my fear.
Anyhow, I know when SP is going to happen, usually. I'll be semi-sleepy, thinking of class or shopping, when the sudden tingles will instantly bring me to focus on my body. I cannot move, but I usually won't try unless the fear creeps in (which takes a second). I turn inward immediately and listen to the odd 'buzzing' in my body (not necessarily a real noise in my ears, though, more like it's perceived from the tingles), as well as feel the atomic level shakes. It's as if my entire body is trying to shake itself to pieces. At this point, I usually know what I'm going to see IF I open my eyes. I'll start thinking 'that damned grudge girl is back, don't open your eyes, don't open your eyes!' (obviously this is what I'm trying to stop, lol), then I fight against the SP until either the shivers stop or I pass out.
I've had something try to pull me out of my body twice and, after spending some time on here reading, I'm guessing it was supposed to be a helpful gesture. Neither of those times did I see anything out of the ordinary, just this amazing force around my abdomen/torso that pulled tremendously. I only fought out of fear that I wouldn't survive the 'split'. The second time something had been grabbing at my legs, almost succeeded in pulling me out of myself, but I managed to wiggle my arm and break the SP, thus waking up fully...scaring the crap out of my sleeping husband too. :D
Anyhow, I hope that is helpful. :)
It used to scare the wits out of me too! But since being on this site, like yourself, I learned about AP. Now I have no fear at all when in SP. The only person creating the Grudge girl is you! :-)