Astral Proofs

[Links Shadow]

Yes, there have been many people who have done things like this.  A common experiment is randomly choosing a playing card and taping it to something without looking at it and projecting.  Then you memorize what card it was then return to your body and go see if your right.

[TorosDead]

The card experiment is a good one.  Experiments such as this are to help you validate your own experience for yourself... not to try and convince others.  If scientists want to research the topic I think it would be great.  But one of the distinguishing characteristics of OBE's is that it leaves the subject with no doubt of the truth of the experience... but no one else.  It's too personal and try and prove you are right to the world.

[RandomName]

Kazbadan, as far as I know, you will NEVER convince a scientist the astral is real. Science is almost completely closed to the metaphysical side with a few studies on physical environment change.

If I can prove you right by any means necessary as long as I do not refute my own existance, thus refuting yours and my own explanation, then science will continue to do the same to any and all astral related subjects.

Heres an example just off the top of my head:

Scientist:So you have read and given us the special word from that sheet of paper and consider that proof of the astral or OBE.

Projector:Yes I do, and I have explained every aspect in the fullest detail

Scientist:Why couldn't you have hallucinated it?

Projector:Because I came back with the correct answer

Scientist:Then why couldn't your own psychic ability have read it and given it to your brain? What proof do you have you didn't hallucinate this scenario and just have your answer given by your own psychic ability?

Projector:So your saying that psychic abilities are real?

Scientist:That is not the subject in question.


Science will used unproven but sensible theories to prove slightly less balence theories wrong, meaning they have no proof of psychic ability but use that as an anti-theory to the idea of AP and OBEs.

Plainly put, proving the astral, as with anything else metaphysical is simply impossible. Its all beleif, and truth comes after death.

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[Tisha]

do a search on "proof" and you'll get a gold mine . . . or maybe a mine field?

[Risu no Kairu]

When it comes down to it, it's just a memory.

When you recall your experience, you're recalling a memory. Some people have more trouble recalling memories than others.

Sometimes you'll look at somethign all day, but later, you might not remember it.

[Kazbadan]

I would like to ask now , to everyone here, what kind of proofs have you made it to your self? Real and solid proofs (even if it was only to your self).

And don´t know if you have noticed, but the importance of the proofs (even a single report by someone) it´s to show to other interested people (like me[]), that such things are real and they are not dangerous.

And by the way, how can i do it? Do i really nead to be a great meditator like a budhist monk? What is the process since from the beginning? Is there any danger (any one)? I heard that you may become crazy or starting to have hallucination...

Thanks

[beavis]

Psi "as far as I know, you will NEVER convince a scientist the astral is real"

I'm a scientist. I used to not believe anything paranormal, but always said I would if I saw good enough evidence. Nobody convinced me, but since then I've convinced 2 people with my telekinesis ability. One of them was an atheist. I experienced it for myself which resulted in tangible evidence. As a scientist, I had to believe what is most likely true.

Twice I read 4 digit random numbers on my computer screen in an OBE.

[Kazbadan]

You have telkinesis? How long do you take to learn that? Wich technique have you used? I´m trying (since 3 days ago) the compass technique, it looks like simple (compared to others).

[beavis]

I did telekinesis at rare times all my life. Since the start of 2003, I practiced it seriously. The techniques I use are mostly my own. I learned to do it with no help. Look at the object. Dont try to move it. Fill it with your spirit. Make it want to move itsself, but still dont try to move it. It should appear to move itsself. I've done 300 consecutive turns of a psi wheel (aluminum foil balanced on a pin in a closed clear box), but cant usually do that much.

[RandomName]

To those that commented around what I said before, did you not notice the fact I was talking about proving it to SCIENCE and not having it refutable by metaphysical explanations also? I myself have all the proof I will ever need, only its personal proof and I can't do a damn thing with it to help science.

[beavis]

pmlonline, I remember numbers easier than most people because I'm a computer programmer. Or was that the cause of being a programmer?

An mpeg movie of telekinesis... maybe I'll make one later. Dont expect to see 100 turns. Thats rare. You might see half a turn.

[Kazbadan]

By the way, can you move something while astral projecting, just by using your telekinesis power?

[Kazbadan]

I would like to know if there is any scientific proof of Astral Projection or OBE. Many people say that it´s possible asnd that they can do it, but what proofs do you have? For example, you use Astral Projections to read (or see a picture) something closed in a chest (and that picture or script was previous made by the group of scientist or persons studyng you) and then you back to your body and say to the scientists what you have seen. Of course, if Astral is not an hallucination (and its real) then you will guess in 90 to 100% of the times. Is there anybody here that has maked something like this, some proof (even if the proof was only to him  or to a smaal group like family or friends)?

I would like to hear opinons, and i must finish this, saying that my objective is not desbelief you. I put this question here because i heard that the scientist have proved that OBE are hallucionations and they have demonstrated that in laboratory (with people with astral capacity)

Thank you very much (and sorry for my english, that´s not my mother tongue [] )