Firslty, I dont wanna promote drug abuse.
So far i havent had any luck at projection in any way shape or form. The furthest i got was a feeling of swaying in my physical body. Using hash ("weed") compounded the effect much more though not enough to get out.
So far i've tried
* Meditation with energy body work (as in the books of Robert Bruce)
* Binaural beats incl on CD in the Robert brice book
* Third eye activation
Eventually got to where my body was swaying but i dont get "out".
Then, tried above 2x while having used some "weed". Didnt help me at all. Only thing is, the i realized a sort of blockage around my heart chakra.
I guess i wanna ask, have you used weed/whatnot to project, if so, do u use it still? I wanna learn to project, without the need for any hallucigenics.
Those things might make you have some sort of non-physical experience, but it's much different from what we do here.
If you want to astral project on a regular basis with controlled experiences, the only way to do it is naturally. But if you're determined you're going to do drugs, I wouldn't associate it with astral projection. It won't help or strengthen your abilities.
Quote from: Stookie on November 05, 2010, 14:32:31
Those things might make you have some sort of non-physical experience, but it's much different from what we do here.
If you want to astral project on a regular basis with controlled experiences, the only way to do it is naturally. But if you're determined you're going to do drugs, I wouldn't associate it with astral projection. It won't help or strengthen your abilities.
100% agreed.
The problem with using drugs is that without proper training they don't really induce projection. What usually happens is you remain focused on your body and the alterations of physical reality, thereby preventing yourself from shifting your consciousness. If you are a successful projector before hand, you will know how to utilize the drug not just use the drug. So all in all, you'd do better to achieve projection naturally first, then if you want you can try the plants.
I use marijuana regularly, but I dont think I have ever projected while high on the substance. Usually after a night of heavy smoking I go home and pass out with very faint to no dream imagery remembered. If I were you I would try projecting early in the morning after about 6 hours of good sleep, while sober.
I am not advocating illegal use of drugs, but getting an ADHD diagnosis and prescription is
very easy, and a small dosage of a legal amphetamine can help at least produce the lucid
state and very possibly an obe.
What I do is wake up at around 4am or 5am, depending if I have gotten enough hours of sleep.
I get up and prepare 20mg of Vyvanse with some water to the side and lay down in my reclining chair and
begin silencing the mind and becoming perfectly relaxed. Once I am getting close to the trance state,
I slowly reach out and take the Vyvanse with the water and return to my meditative position.
The medication kicks in within minutes, and without fail, I will have what feels like an obe with a lucid
experience of me exiting my body. Now, I have to say that I am very much still a novice, and I am having
difficulty knowing if what I am doing is a lucid dream or a true projection. However, it is a predictable experience
and fully lucid. I begin feeling my energy body move inside of me, turning out or moving upward. Next, I am in my room
and proceed to walk through doors and walls. My problem is that I don't have enough energy and I haven't mastered
being able to do it for very long. What happens is I end up seeing things in my house or outside my house
that are not accurate with the "real time zone" (ie reality), and this throws me off, and I get sucked back to my body.
However I am fully lucid, and at the very least I am having a lucid dream of an obe, which I am told I can convert
to an obe somehow.
I mention all of this, because I think using an amphetamine legally may help those who have a lot of difficulty staying
awake while the body falls asleep. That is what has been happening to me. Invariably, my attempt at an obe ends up
with me falling asleep. Taking the amphetamine somehow strengthens my mind to focus and not fall asleep, and yet
it does not keep my body from returning to sleep, since the dosage is not too high. I should also add that one should
have already studied enough about projecting before attempting this, because if you can do it naturally, that is the goal.
I have been studying the book Mastering Astral Projection by Robert Bruce with very little success, and I wanted a
break through desperately. If I have gotten enough hours of sleep, this method works every time to produce an experience.
So I am encouraged to keep trying this until I learn more and then hopefully get to a point where I can do it without medication.
I also still do attempts without it. I hope this helps.
they give fetamines for ADHD treatment?
I think so. I believe some of the ADD drugs are amphetamine derivatives or precursors, or so someone told me.
I don't know this for sure, though. Look up adderall, for example. Or I will, since I'm not sure of this.
Yes, it is. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000166
It's true, that's how they treat attention disorders.
There's a really high rate of abuse. People do what Zadokite suggested and get all kinds of high.
*sigh*
Here's what these drugs do:
Weed will make you scatterbrained. You won't be able to focus on anything for more than a few seconds, let alone staying awake while your body falls asleep.
Psychedelics (LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, etc.) will put you in a state of mental overdrive. Calming your mind down enough to meditate properly or fall asleep would require such immense self-discipline as to be nearly impossible. VERY high doses might cause you to spontaneously leave your body (I know of this happening to a friend of mine), but this situation is completely uncontrolled and not really productive. This is completely unpredictable and might only happen 1% of the time, if that.
DMT is another matter entirely. Assuming you "breakthrough", you will absolutely be out of body, but it is completely different from a conventional OBE. The nature of the experience is so far outside the ordinary that you may have trouble integrating or understanding what happens. Control of the experience is essentially out of the question.
Overall, not generally useful for having insightful or productive out of body experiences.
Aside from Shamanic ritual (because they do a lot to achieve the proper state of mind with their plant ally, they put in the practice, they don't just take drugs and hope it turns out to be "significant") the only productive use of hallucinogens I know of is someone like John C Lily who had to develop the flotation tank to be able to separate enough to utilize the drug.
Quote from: tr0798 on November 11, 2010, 21:07:13
Control of the experience is essentially out of the question.
My weed excursion is just that, an excursion but now after having read the posts made in the thread, my motivation for using weed has reduced by 99,99%.
I'd like to learn, by virtue of aquired patience, learn how to have, and maintain consious control over my experience.
Quote from: pappavis on November 21, 2010, 14:43:14
My weed excursion is just that, an excursion but now after having read the posts made in the thread, my motivation for using weed has reduced by 99,99%.
I'd like to learn, by virtue of aquired patience, learn how to have, and maintain consious control over my experience.
Good choice. :)
Stick around here, ask lots of questions, NEVER give up... and we can pretty much guarantee you'll be projecting. :)
I'm interested in this topic as well, as I've been a regular (pretty much daily) weed smoker for over 18 months. I just quit about 3 days ago have started a more serious night routine and since then I've already had some pretty interesting results... most of the time I slip right into a lucid dream, though.
I am also concluding that being high doesn't really help you get out of body... though it's allowed me to peer over the fence on a few occasions. It's made me aware of what is possible to achieve.
I look at (natural) substances as cheating/training wheels. You can't get very far on them and if you rely on them forever, you're going to be stuck as a spiritual 6 year old.
I admit in my own personal and spiritual evolution, however, that it's been the marijuana that has led me to this path in the first place. Slowing my mind down got me to pay attention to all kinds of stuff it may have taken a lot longer to notice otherwise... but it can't help me any longer in my spiritual journey inward. (Occasional smoking in the future, I'm sure, could be a source of poetic inspiration and epiphanies, but that's different.) It taught me some lessons (and now I have to deal with the side effects of learning to rely entirely on my self again), and now in my sobriety, I understand what it means to be "aware" far better than I used to.
And hi everyone. I just registered today and I'm going to peruse the forums for a while. Hope to get to know a lot of you. ;)
-K