Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Tir13 on March 01, 2002, 09:56:27
Post by: Tir13 on March 01, 2002, 09:56:27
Fallen Karma,
I wouldn't pay those nasty little creatures much mind, their energy has a substantially different base than many "lower entities", but they are sturdy little buggers. I have had very few dealings with them as I do not really concern myself with their "agenda", I have my own things to do. I would advise caution because one or two isn't that concerning (combat-wise) but they tend to attack en' masse, and sneak up..."behind" you. I.e. Astral slits, folding planes, etc. Just remember the more you focus on them, the more involved they will become with YOU.
Take care,
Jason
I wouldn't pay those nasty little creatures much mind, their energy has a substantially different base than many "lower entities", but they are sturdy little buggers. I have had very few dealings with them as I do not really concern myself with their "agenda", I have my own things to do. I would advise caution because one or two isn't that concerning (combat-wise) but they tend to attack en' masse, and sneak up..."behind" you. I.e. Astral slits, folding planes, etc. Just remember the more you focus on them, the more involved they will become with YOU.
Take care,
Jason
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Two Bears on March 01, 2002, 12:16:20
Post by: Two Bears on March 01, 2002, 12:16:20
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finally found it here. My concern is with Dark Elves. They can be described as the manifestation of the collective unconcious belief that "something" is lurking in the dark. Well, recently, I believe
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I have seen small dark entities flitting around. They have never bothered me (yet).
Send them unconditional love, and they leave in a big hurry.
Two Bears
Aloha nui loa
Received the title "master" 8 times and still trying to master myself.
finally found it here. My concern is with Dark Elves. They can be described as the manifestation of the collective unconcious belief that "something" is lurking in the dark. Well, recently, I believe
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I have seen small dark entities flitting around. They have never bothered me (yet).
Send them unconditional love, and they leave in a big hurry.
Two Bears
Aloha nui loa
Received the title "master" 8 times and still trying to master myself.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Fallen Karma on March 01, 2002, 12:23:27
Post by: Fallen Karma on March 01, 2002, 12:23:27
Thanks to you both for your input. I would still love to hear as much as possible concerning them. For anyone else with considerable problems with Darkies, I've also found that saging the house at least once a week will help keep them at bay.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Violet on March 01, 2002, 21:09:37
Post by: Violet on March 01, 2002, 21:09:37
Dear Fallen Karma,
The dark ones are there to test us.
They ensure that:
(1) We learn to overcome our fears. For after all what is there to fear. We are eternal. Something can scare us but never really hurt us UNLESS we let it. Frame of mind is everything. Once we truly understand the meaning behind the saying that the only thing to fear is fear itself we have moved past the level of the "Shadow People". While the entities from this level can rob energy from us IF we let them they are not very powerful at all. Psychic vampires also work at this level.
(2)They ensure that we have achieved full awareness of self...of our will...of God's will. This is the level of the demon. These entities are a bit more tenatious. But again they only have power over us if we are not fully aware of who we are....if we are not fully aware of WHAT we are. They are a great, great test for those that are not fully aware yet. They will shake them to the ground so that the person feels like all identity is lost. Who am I. Am I this thing in me? No! No! I am more than that. The war is tremendous but so incredibly important. We must all pass through this in at least one lifetime. If we learn who and what we are we never have to pass through this again.
(3) On the next level you have what I call the Tempters. These are perhaps the most difficult to deal with for they work so subtly. They know you are past fear and that direct attack is pointless. They merely attempt to influence from a distance. They set up situations for what they preceive to be your weakest link. They force you to become intensely aware of all your flaws, weaknesses, force you to evaluate your morals. Their greatest purpose is to make us move past our Selfish selves. You will know when they are working on you after you have past the test. After you realize that their only power over you is by working on your selfishness. Once a person understands this you have taken away all their power. They will never be able to work on you again.
(4)Finally on the final level we have the dark angels or the dark brotherhood. These are the guys in the cloaks. These are the most powerful group and yet oddly enough if you have past through (1-3) likely they will be the easiest test to pass. Battle with this group is very different. They are the final test. You will know this test for first of all these guy carry tremendous power and you can sense them very easily. Their power is in creating illusion. They will drag you in to the total abyss. You can not imagine a feeling so totally empty in your entire life. And yet you can not believe how easy it is to handle this test relative to the others. All that is required for this test is a 100% absolute, total KNOWING that you are a part of God, that you are worthy of all that is Good, that you are LOVED absolutely, that God is always there for you. This is the test to see if you can surrender yourself completely to God knowing that you are a complete part of God and yet that in the same breath you can be separate without having to lose anything. The final complete understanding of the duality of it all. Why we were again and again running into duality. Duality is here to teach us that we can be separate, unique and yet completely part of a greater whole without losing this individuality. It is way past blind faith. It is faith in not just God but ourselves.
All this comes from personal experience. Shadow people and demons never have bothered with me. But I learned about the Tempters and the dark brotherhood in this lifetime. I have awoken to see shadow people in my house but only when someone was staying in the house. My nephew had a particular problem with this group of entities. I will tell you though it really un-nerves them when you wake up and look at them at the end of the bed and are not at all afraid of them. Not in the least.
As the earth raises its vibrations more and more people will be seeing these entities and will have to deal with them. This is what makes books like Robert Bruce has written so important. Some will find these tests very difficult and some will even call it The Final Judgement. Frankly calling it the Final Judgement is a bunch of hot air. What it is, is you facing yourself. You making a decision am I going to stop hiding from myself? Am I going to finally go in there and start fixing what is broken and healing...and once I start healing start really liking myself? Am I finally going to understand that this is all about serving everyone. It is not about me. Am I finally going to understand that I will not come last if I serve. (Did anyone think Martin Luther King was last?) Am I finally going to understand what faith and love really mean.
I wish you all of the very best Fallen Karma. For when you pass these tests your Karma will Fall away and what will remain will be something that will shine for all to see.
Love and Light to the One and All,
Violet
Edited by - Violet on 02 March 2002 04:19:07
The dark ones are there to test us.
They ensure that:
(1) We learn to overcome our fears. For after all what is there to fear. We are eternal. Something can scare us but never really hurt us UNLESS we let it. Frame of mind is everything. Once we truly understand the meaning behind the saying that the only thing to fear is fear itself we have moved past the level of the "Shadow People". While the entities from this level can rob energy from us IF we let them they are not very powerful at all. Psychic vampires also work at this level.
(2)They ensure that we have achieved full awareness of self...of our will...of God's will. This is the level of the demon. These entities are a bit more tenatious. But again they only have power over us if we are not fully aware of who we are....if we are not fully aware of WHAT we are. They are a great, great test for those that are not fully aware yet. They will shake them to the ground so that the person feels like all identity is lost. Who am I. Am I this thing in me? No! No! I am more than that. The war is tremendous but so incredibly important. We must all pass through this in at least one lifetime. If we learn who and what we are we never have to pass through this again.
(3) On the next level you have what I call the Tempters. These are perhaps the most difficult to deal with for they work so subtly. They know you are past fear and that direct attack is pointless. They merely attempt to influence from a distance. They set up situations for what they preceive to be your weakest link. They force you to become intensely aware of all your flaws, weaknesses, force you to evaluate your morals. Their greatest purpose is to make us move past our Selfish selves. You will know when they are working on you after you have past the test. After you realize that their only power over you is by working on your selfishness. Once a person understands this you have taken away all their power. They will never be able to work on you again.
(4)Finally on the final level we have the dark angels or the dark brotherhood. These are the guys in the cloaks. These are the most powerful group and yet oddly enough if you have past through (1-3) likely they will be the easiest test to pass. Battle with this group is very different. They are the final test. You will know this test for first of all these guy carry tremendous power and you can sense them very easily. Their power is in creating illusion. They will drag you in to the total abyss. You can not imagine a feeling so totally empty in your entire life. And yet you can not believe how easy it is to handle this test relative to the others. All that is required for this test is a 100% absolute, total KNOWING that you are a part of God, that you are worthy of all that is Good, that you are LOVED absolutely, that God is always there for you. This is the test to see if you can surrender yourself completely to God knowing that you are a complete part of God and yet that in the same breath you can be separate without having to lose anything. The final complete understanding of the duality of it all. Why we were again and again running into duality. Duality is here to teach us that we can be separate, unique and yet completely part of a greater whole without losing this individuality. It is way past blind faith. It is faith in not just God but ourselves.
All this comes from personal experience. Shadow people and demons never have bothered with me. But I learned about the Tempters and the dark brotherhood in this lifetime. I have awoken to see shadow people in my house but only when someone was staying in the house. My nephew had a particular problem with this group of entities. I will tell you though it really un-nerves them when you wake up and look at them at the end of the bed and are not at all afraid of them. Not in the least.
As the earth raises its vibrations more and more people will be seeing these entities and will have to deal with them. This is what makes books like Robert Bruce has written so important. Some will find these tests very difficult and some will even call it The Final Judgement. Frankly calling it the Final Judgement is a bunch of hot air. What it is, is you facing yourself. You making a decision am I going to stop hiding from myself? Am I going to finally go in there and start fixing what is broken and healing...and once I start healing start really liking myself? Am I finally going to understand that this is all about serving everyone. It is not about me. Am I finally going to understand that I will not come last if I serve. (Did anyone think Martin Luther King was last?) Am I finally going to understand what faith and love really mean.
I wish you all of the very best Fallen Karma. For when you pass these tests your Karma will Fall away and what will remain will be something that will shine for all to see.
Love and Light to the One and All,
Violet
Edited by - Violet on 02 March 2002 04:19:07
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 02, 2002, 01:28:26
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 02, 2002, 01:28:26
I'm a little uncertain if you just mean little things that like to follow you through the woods, little parasite spirits, or if you're talking about actual fae spirits.
If the former, those are mainly mischievous--you get scared, and they get a belly-laugh.
The little parasite things I've seen called demons, before, and usually some reasonable practice with shielding and psychic defense is enough to keep them at bay.
Actual fae spirits, you have to be very careful about. They are right on par with angels and demons. In fact, I would MUCH rather deal with a nasty demon, than go up against a fae spirit. A demon is so much more predictable.
It's best to give them the respect that they expect. In other words, stay out of their space when they request it. They can be among the nastiest things you'll ever encounter....or the nicest. Remember the Irish legends of the Sidhe? Some were helpful, others would hunt you down just for looking at them. And they were all sidhe--they stand together regardless of their opinion of humans.
--Winged Wolf
If the former, those are mainly mischievous--you get scared, and they get a belly-laugh.
The little parasite things I've seen called demons, before, and usually some reasonable practice with shielding and psychic defense is enough to keep them at bay.
Actual fae spirits, you have to be very careful about. They are right on par with angels and demons. In fact, I would MUCH rather deal with a nasty demon, than go up against a fae spirit. A demon is so much more predictable.
It's best to give them the respect that they expect. In other words, stay out of their space when they request it. They can be among the nastiest things you'll ever encounter....or the nicest. Remember the Irish legends of the Sidhe? Some were helpful, others would hunt you down just for looking at them. And they were all sidhe--they stand together regardless of their opinion of humans.
--Winged Wolf
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Two Bears on March 02, 2002, 01:28:37
Post by: Two Bears on March 02, 2002, 01:28:37
Hello Fallen Karma:
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problems with Darkies, I've also found that saging the house at least once a week will help keep them at bay.
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Well done!
Two Bears
Aloha nui loa
Received the title "master" 8 times and still trying to master myself.
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problems with Darkies, I've also found that saging the house at least once a week will help keep them at bay.
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Well done!
Two Bears
Aloha nui loa
Received the title "master" 8 times and still trying to master myself.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Violet on March 02, 2002, 08:48:52
Post by: Violet on March 02, 2002, 08:48:52
Dear Fallen Karma,
Psychic vampires are fairly easy to deal with. They draw their energy from you by sending out streamers from their own aura and attaching them onto the outer shell of your aura. Then they start drawing energy along the streamers. If you are in a public area when it occurs you may not be able to physically locate them easily. What you can do is close your eyes and feel the direction that your energy is flowing....follow the streamers.
Remember the energy flow along a streamer can go both ways. Start pulling your energy back along their streamer. It is a matter of will. At this they usually suddenly break off their attack. They try to draw back their streamers in a big hurry because they know you can not only get all your energy back but take theirs as well if you have a strong sense of self, good will power. If you have located them you can even send out your own streamers (just visualize it in your mind) and in this way you can get all your energy back (I have not bothered with doing this myself). Psychic vampires are use to a lot of free lunches. The average person does not know at all what is happening. A few know something is happening and may be even suspect someone is doing it to them. But it sure shocks the heck out of the psychic vampire when they realize you not only are aware of them but that you understand what they are doing and how to deal with them and yet you are not at all one of them.
Oh! I forgot to add. There are some very experienced psychic vampires out there that can send out streamers that connect right up with your charka. The favorite to go after is the solar plexis since this is close to the seat to the soul. The same principles apply though. Just beware that this can draw a lot of energy out of you fast if you do not pull back your energy quickly. It can be helpful to cross your arms over your solar plexis. Again it is all a matter of how strong your sense of self is and no fear. No one can do anything to you if you do not let them.
I was fascinated by what Winged Wolf had to say. I have been extremely fortunate to have only experienced the presence of good elementals. I think the Indians worked with them a lot in a very general way. I have heard that in the very distant past humans used to "use" elementals. The Druids and Irish seemed particularly aware of the elementals. I can not help wondering if the nasty elementals were warped by humans who had negative intent. I guess one could only ask a good elemental that question though. I now count myself very lucky.
All the Very Best,
Violet
Edited by - Violet on 02 March 2002 16:04:17
Psychic vampires are fairly easy to deal with. They draw their energy from you by sending out streamers from their own aura and attaching them onto the outer shell of your aura. Then they start drawing energy along the streamers. If you are in a public area when it occurs you may not be able to physically locate them easily. What you can do is close your eyes and feel the direction that your energy is flowing....follow the streamers.
Remember the energy flow along a streamer can go both ways. Start pulling your energy back along their streamer. It is a matter of will. At this they usually suddenly break off their attack. They try to draw back their streamers in a big hurry because they know you can not only get all your energy back but take theirs as well if you have a strong sense of self, good will power. If you have located them you can even send out your own streamers (just visualize it in your mind) and in this way you can get all your energy back (I have not bothered with doing this myself). Psychic vampires are use to a lot of free lunches. The average person does not know at all what is happening. A few know something is happening and may be even suspect someone is doing it to them. But it sure shocks the heck out of the psychic vampire when they realize you not only are aware of them but that you understand what they are doing and how to deal with them and yet you are not at all one of them.
Oh! I forgot to add. There are some very experienced psychic vampires out there that can send out streamers that connect right up with your charka. The favorite to go after is the solar plexis since this is close to the seat to the soul. The same principles apply though. Just beware that this can draw a lot of energy out of you fast if you do not pull back your energy quickly. It can be helpful to cross your arms over your solar plexis. Again it is all a matter of how strong your sense of self is and no fear. No one can do anything to you if you do not let them.
I was fascinated by what Winged Wolf had to say. I have been extremely fortunate to have only experienced the presence of good elementals. I think the Indians worked with them a lot in a very general way. I have heard that in the very distant past humans used to "use" elementals. The Druids and Irish seemed particularly aware of the elementals. I can not help wondering if the nasty elementals were warped by humans who had negative intent. I guess one could only ask a good elemental that question though. I now count myself very lucky.
All the Very Best,
Violet
Edited by - Violet on 02 March 2002 16:04:17
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: fastwalker on March 02, 2002, 09:23:28
Post by: fastwalker on March 02, 2002, 09:23:28
Violet,
Your posts always contain a lot of fascinating information.
On psychic vampires, your assumption was that such individuals KNOW they are draining others. While there are such adepts (and I encountered one, a very aware psychic man with no sense of morality...who send trailers of white energy like worms after me while we supposedly were having a polite chat!), most psychic vampires probably do not know they are doing this.
One person I discussed this with said that obese people have a tendency to partake in some psychic vampirism just to constantly recharge their body needs, since carting around an extra 50 - 100 pounds more than nature intended takes a lot of basic energy!
What I have found works with unconscious vampirism is to just visualize a mirrored shield surrounding your body, and to use your real hand (or a mental visualization) to literally CUT OFF any attachments to your body, which can be visualized as energy hoses, primarily into your solar plexus, as you noted.
When I was about 25 and trying hard to escape a very emotionally disturbed controlling mother, I visited a well known psychic. The first thing she noted was that there was a huge "hose" connected from my solar plexus back to my mother. She asked my permission to cut if off for my own good. I agreed, and actually felt an incredibly good feeling in the solar plexus area, almost like a mini orgasm, as she did her energy work to dislodge and destroy this connection and then "mend it" with a shield.
I've found that with some people during sex, they can unconsciously steal your energy like a psychic vampire. After sex at times, I have had distressing feelings of pain/low energy in the abdominal area. I meditated on it and got the response that this was energy stealing. My partner was just very unconsciously greedy for my energy. This person loves me dearly, but doesn't realize what is happening. So before and during sex I do affirm a shield that acts as an appropriate filter (like an on-line fire wall, so to speak) to protect me. This sounds simplistic and silly but it works!
Again, if you are working with a pro, then the tactics may be different, but in most cases the psychic vampire probably doesn't even consciously know what they are doing. I know this is not politically correct, but I am wary of the obese for that reason and tend to shield myself around them. This allows me to enjoy their company without needing a nap afterwards!
In a sense, we all lead double lives: the normal conscious life of our ego selves that can relate to sitcom reality, and a subconscious energy life that entails blending and repelling and attracting certain energies. BOTH seem to rely a lot on habit unless the person becomes AWARE (a basic rule of the spiritual path) and evaluates what they are doing in both sectors. I am still working on it.
Edited by - fastwalker on 02 March 2002 16:27:32
Your posts always contain a lot of fascinating information.
On psychic vampires, your assumption was that such individuals KNOW they are draining others. While there are such adepts (and I encountered one, a very aware psychic man with no sense of morality...who send trailers of white energy like worms after me while we supposedly were having a polite chat!), most psychic vampires probably do not know they are doing this.
One person I discussed this with said that obese people have a tendency to partake in some psychic vampirism just to constantly recharge their body needs, since carting around an extra 50 - 100 pounds more than nature intended takes a lot of basic energy!
What I have found works with unconscious vampirism is to just visualize a mirrored shield surrounding your body, and to use your real hand (or a mental visualization) to literally CUT OFF any attachments to your body, which can be visualized as energy hoses, primarily into your solar plexus, as you noted.
When I was about 25 and trying hard to escape a very emotionally disturbed controlling mother, I visited a well known psychic. The first thing she noted was that there was a huge "hose" connected from my solar plexus back to my mother. She asked my permission to cut if off for my own good. I agreed, and actually felt an incredibly good feeling in the solar plexus area, almost like a mini orgasm, as she did her energy work to dislodge and destroy this connection and then "mend it" with a shield.
I've found that with some people during sex, they can unconsciously steal your energy like a psychic vampire. After sex at times, I have had distressing feelings of pain/low energy in the abdominal area. I meditated on it and got the response that this was energy stealing. My partner was just very unconsciously greedy for my energy. This person loves me dearly, but doesn't realize what is happening. So before and during sex I do affirm a shield that acts as an appropriate filter (like an on-line fire wall, so to speak) to protect me. This sounds simplistic and silly but it works!
Again, if you are working with a pro, then the tactics may be different, but in most cases the psychic vampire probably doesn't even consciously know what they are doing. I know this is not politically correct, but I am wary of the obese for that reason and tend to shield myself around them. This allows me to enjoy their company without needing a nap afterwards!
In a sense, we all lead double lives: the normal conscious life of our ego selves that can relate to sitcom reality, and a subconscious energy life that entails blending and repelling and attracting certain energies. BOTH seem to rely a lot on habit unless the person becomes AWARE (a basic rule of the spiritual path) and evaluates what they are doing in both sectors. I am still working on it.
Edited by - fastwalker on 02 March 2002 16:27:32
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Fallen Karma on March 02, 2002, 10:13:01
Post by: Fallen Karma on March 02, 2002, 10:13:01
Wow! I never imagined such great explainations for my questions. Thanks again to all who responded, now my interests are peaked about these Fae spirits...Can they be physical??
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Violet on March 02, 2002, 11:22:33
Post by: Violet on March 02, 2002, 11:22:33
Dear Fastwalker,
Thank you for sharing your interesting experiences. I guess I have always thought of vampires as people intentionally doing something. I very much agree that anyone that has become disconnected from the Source need to get their energy from other sources...other people.
Anyone who does not love themselves, has great hurts, anger etc. will progressively become disconnected from the Source. I think it is a natural law or something. The disconnection is I think automatic law. If we misuse the Source power to hurt others or believe or not ourselves (some people do this) we get cut off so we can not do any major damage. Thoughts are powerful things.
Regards,
Violet
Thank you for sharing your interesting experiences. I guess I have always thought of vampires as people intentionally doing something. I very much agree that anyone that has become disconnected from the Source need to get their energy from other sources...other people.
Anyone who does not love themselves, has great hurts, anger etc. will progressively become disconnected from the Source. I think it is a natural law or something. The disconnection is I think automatic law. If we misuse the Source power to hurt others or believe or not ourselves (some people do this) we get cut off so we can not do any major damage. Thoughts are powerful things.
Regards,
Violet
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 15:15:08
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 15:15:08
Fallen Karma,
Oh the joys of the Fae...*rolling eyes* (just kidding guys), I have one two many friends who associate with these amazing beings a bit too often for my tastes. The Fae are a rather interesting race of creatures, their history is a little tragic (whole other story), but just operate by this guidline - when you take an interest in them, the Fae take an interest in you. Thse creatures have access to tons of knowledge as well they make great companions, they are an entire different race of creatures that do not generally operate or deal with the human race on a frequent basis. As for a Fae physically manifesting itself here, I have no experienced that...but I have seen certain animals, that well...aren't animals, and on occassion individuals that just don't "look" right, you'd be amazed what you'll find just walking down the street. Typically, to access their realities I just use any sort of mirror while projecting, and that seems to work amazingly well...I just warn you - they are tricksters by nature, and can become psychoitcally ticked (like Winged Wolf stated) so do watch your manners, alright.
Later,
Jason
Oh the joys of the Fae...*rolling eyes* (just kidding guys), I have one two many friends who associate with these amazing beings a bit too often for my tastes. The Fae are a rather interesting race of creatures, their history is a little tragic (whole other story), but just operate by this guidline - when you take an interest in them, the Fae take an interest in you. Thse creatures have access to tons of knowledge as well they make great companions, they are an entire different race of creatures that do not generally operate or deal with the human race on a frequent basis. As for a Fae physically manifesting itself here, I have no experienced that...but I have seen certain animals, that well...aren't animals, and on occassion individuals that just don't "look" right, you'd be amazed what you'll find just walking down the street. Typically, to access their realities I just use any sort of mirror while projecting, and that seems to work amazingly well...I just warn you - they are tricksters by nature, and can become psychoitcally ticked (like Winged Wolf stated) so do watch your manners, alright.
Later,
Jason
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 15:23:03
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 15:23:03
Violet,
As for people being "disconnected" from the Source, I have to seriously disagree with you. I know a handful of very learned, educated, and practicing individuals that have abused their power greatly, sure the energy folds back in on them, but they aren't "cut off" not at all. Both sources of energy light/dark based have their own beauty, and uses. Remember true transformation comes from the darkness, to know oneself at the darkest levels is not for the "light-hearted" (heh, sorry bad pun), as it is changing your entire thought/human structure. IN FACT, I believe that working with the darker energies is one of the most difficult tasks known to man...and I *also* have to disagree with peoples comments on "Demons". Not lower parasite creatures, but actual "Demons", and their heirarchy. They are amazing creatures, access to a multitude of knowledge, and can become very effective guides. The reasons humans have such a difficult history with these creatures is because we attempt to "summon" and rip them from their circles - it would tinkle me off too! Also, to learn from them requires to work within their strucutre - destruction/change. Few, have ever journey the path and I have a lot of respect for them. My two cents...and if you discount what I say, those who are more experienced, try sitting down and calling out to one...Aziel, he's an immensely powerful and patient 'Demon', why not have a chat?
Jason
As for people being "disconnected" from the Source, I have to seriously disagree with you. I know a handful of very learned, educated, and practicing individuals that have abused their power greatly, sure the energy folds back in on them, but they aren't "cut off" not at all. Both sources of energy light/dark based have their own beauty, and uses. Remember true transformation comes from the darkness, to know oneself at the darkest levels is not for the "light-hearted" (heh, sorry bad pun), as it is changing your entire thought/human structure. IN FACT, I believe that working with the darker energies is one of the most difficult tasks known to man...and I *also* have to disagree with peoples comments on "Demons". Not lower parasite creatures, but actual "Demons", and their heirarchy. They are amazing creatures, access to a multitude of knowledge, and can become very effective guides. The reasons humans have such a difficult history with these creatures is because we attempt to "summon" and rip them from their circles - it would tinkle me off too! Also, to learn from them requires to work within their strucutre - destruction/change. Few, have ever journey the path and I have a lot of respect for them. My two cents...and if you discount what I say, those who are more experienced, try sitting down and calling out to one...Aziel, he's an immensely powerful and patient 'Demon', why not have a chat?
Jason
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 15:42:00
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 15:42:00
Greetings!
Talking of the Fae folk - where I live here in the Isle of Man, they have been a local tradition since time immemorial, among the native Manx people especially
(I am not native Manx myself BTW).
Four times each day, taking my kids to school and back, I drive over the "Faery Bridge", where, if one does not greet the Fae folk nicely, ill fortune is supposed to result. Local kids hang presents for the Fae folk on the trees around the bridge, yo yo's, balloons and soon on, and leave wish lists in plastic envelopes.
The Island is named after Mannanan mac Lir - a pagan deity. The entertainment centre where the kids and families go to play and be happy is called "Summerland" another pagan (and ancient)term for the spirit worlds.
The Isle of Man is also now believed to be the true Isle of Avalon of the Arthurian legends, it's previous name was Emain Ablach (Isle of Apples) described in the Arthurian legends, located in the western seas, and which was also associated with Mannanan mac Lir by the legends.
But to get to the point - the Fae, assuming they exist, are presumably Astral dwellers, and it has oft been said that in the Isle of Man "the veil is thin", so it is not all that surprising, that being the case, that the Fae folk have more of a tendency to slip into the physical manifestation every now and then from the Astral.
Anyway - just thought I would share that with you since we were on the subject - I have never seen a Faery myself, and so, until I do, I will remain open minded about it
Talking of the Fae folk - where I live here in the Isle of Man, they have been a local tradition since time immemorial, among the native Manx people especially
(I am not native Manx myself BTW). Four times each day, taking my kids to school and back, I drive over the "Faery Bridge", where, if one does not greet the Fae folk nicely, ill fortune is supposed to result. Local kids hang presents for the Fae folk on the trees around the bridge, yo yo's, balloons and soon on, and leave wish lists in plastic envelopes.
The Island is named after Mannanan mac Lir - a pagan deity. The entertainment centre where the kids and families go to play and be happy is called "Summerland" another pagan (and ancient)term for the spirit worlds.
The Isle of Man is also now believed to be the true Isle of Avalon of the Arthurian legends, it's previous name was Emain Ablach (Isle of Apples) described in the Arthurian legends, located in the western seas, and which was also associated with Mannanan mac Lir by the legends.
But to get to the point - the Fae, assuming they exist, are presumably Astral dwellers, and it has oft been said that in the Isle of Man "the veil is thin", so it is not all that surprising, that being the case, that the Fae folk have more of a tendency to slip into the physical manifestation every now and then from the Astral.
Anyway - just thought I would share that with you since we were on the subject - I have never seen a Faery myself, and so, until I do, I will remain open minded about it
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: fastwalker on March 02, 2002, 15:55:22
Post by: fastwalker on March 02, 2002, 15:55:22
I am just guessing, but what seems in some structures of thought to distinguish the Light crowd versus the Dark crowd is that the former practice service to others, whereas the latter practice service to self. The mottoe of the Light could be "All for one, and one for all" whereas the mottoe of the Dark may be "Every man for himself!"
I prefer the Light, thank you very much.
I prefer the Light, thank you very much.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 16:25:24
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 16:25:24
Again, I disagree. I've known some very kind-hearted helpful dark practioners, and it does creat a lot of confusion and contradiction, just remember that humans have access to the full range of emotions. Seeking the 'light', is your own decision, and everyone should respect that. I just hope everyone realizes that neither branch is superior, merely different...even if one is not generally accepted in the mainstream public. As for Aziel *grin* that is merely a suggestion, just respect his space like any other entity, and there will not be a problem.
Jason
Jason
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 16:39:59
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 16:39:59
quote:
Adrian, is the Isle of Man equivalent to Fire Island, New York? That's probably an inside joke. Let's just say many of the fae folks visit the enchanted dunes of Fire Island, and there must be other fae power centers across the planet.
I really couldn't say, I have only lived here for about 12 years, and I only know a tiny fraction of the local folk laws - although I come across more all the time. I am sure there are lots of locals who believe in all sorts of things - but having said that, the Island is a very mystical place indeed without any doubts, one can sense it everywhere, who can say what people have really seen manifesting in the physical through a temporary Astral gateway from time to time? It might well be the Astral touches the physical here more than in many places. Must be the damp sea air from the gulf stream
And don't forget there is a whole set of people out there who seem to spend their time evoking dragons, in fact I believe their are even books published on such practices.
I can only conclude that these are forms of Astral wildlife of varying degrees. Has anyone here actually encountered these beings in the Astral, or evoked them to the physical?
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: fastwalker on March 02, 2002, 18:15:53
Post by: fastwalker on March 02, 2002, 18:15:53
Jason,
Could you define for me what the so-called Dark Side is, or what a Dark Practitioner is? I suspect it has to be something beyond just a fashion penchant for dark winter colors. In general culture, the Dark Side usually refers to those seeking personal power and other self aggrandizement with (here I go again) the mottoe "The ends justify the means". If the Dark Side has kind hearted grandma entities who bake astral cookies, then what makes them the Dark Side? Seriously, this reminds me of German apologists after World War 2 who claimed that the Nazi's were very kind to their children and dogs. Of course, if you were a Jew, gay, or any other nationality, the viewpoint differed.
Could you define for me what the so-called Dark Side is, or what a Dark Practitioner is? I suspect it has to be something beyond just a fashion penchant for dark winter colors. In general culture, the Dark Side usually refers to those seeking personal power and other self aggrandizement with (here I go again) the mottoe "The ends justify the means". If the Dark Side has kind hearted grandma entities who bake astral cookies, then what makes them the Dark Side? Seriously, this reminds me of German apologists after World War 2 who claimed that the Nazi's were very kind to their children and dogs. Of course, if you were a Jew, gay, or any other nationality, the viewpoint differed.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Violet on March 02, 2002, 18:44:03
Post by: Violet on March 02, 2002, 18:44:03
Dear Fastwalker,
I am really with you on that one. Service to others is the only way I'd want to go. When I strayed from this philosophy (in my foolhearty youth) I felt a great reduction in my abilities for a while. They always returned but I got the message. I suppose one could start tapping in to the dark side energy....tons of that available. But no thank you. I do not like the million strings attached to that one. I like the Source...no strings attached just a few very respectable rules. That is all.
All the Best,
Violet
I am really with you on that one. Service to others is the only way I'd want to go. When I strayed from this philosophy (in my foolhearty youth) I felt a great reduction in my abilities for a while. They always returned but I got the message. I suppose one could start tapping in to the dark side energy....tons of that available. But no thank you. I do not like the million strings attached to that one. I like the Source...no strings attached just a few very respectable rules. That is all.
All the Best,
Violet
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Daisy on March 03, 2002, 18:13:24
Post by: Daisy on March 03, 2002, 18:13:24
quote:
I've led an extrodinary life as far as the paranormal is concerned. I looked everywhere for a place to ask my questions, and I'm glad I finally found it here. My concern is with Dark Elves. They can be described as the manifestation of the collective unconcious belief that "something" is lurking in the dark. Well, recently, I believe the Dark Elves in question have visited the physical plane more often and plan on doing so in the future. I'm curious if any of you have any experience with Dark Elves regarding physical or astral battle with them, known weaknesses etc. I want to know as much as possible, as I believe I was told by an Astral Father that I was to be involved in "dealings" with them in the future. I'm also curious if anyone has heard of the psy-astral vampiric group called the House of Druis. Very interested in hearing a reply...
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Daisy on March 03, 2002, 19:34:41
Post by: Daisy on March 03, 2002, 19:34:41
You are dealing with 2 dimensional characters/entities....They should not be in your realm...ask them to leave verbally and they will for they must leave! Also...every night before you OBE or just go to sleep say a little verbal prayer outloud..."Asna, Mother God- please surround me with the white light of the holy spirit and protect me from any dark entities who try to enter my realm!" This works for me but I have no fear- Daisy
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: goku22 on March 04, 2002, 08:05:53
Post by: goku22 on March 04, 2002, 08:05:53
I once read these fiction books that got me thinking. In them, there were 2 sides, order and chaos, and there was the usual hierarchy on each sides angels/demons. What I thought was interesting was that one each side there was what could be described as good and evil. There were demons that showed compassion and others that killed for pleasure. I know it's just science fiction, but it was nice to get away from the whole tired good/evil thing, it just doesn't feel like it's that simple, you know? Ben
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Tir13 on March 04, 2002, 13:45:12
Post by: Tir13 on March 04, 2002, 13:45:12
Goku22,
You have hit upon me point, exactly. Very well stated. The human concepts of good and evil are so horribly limited that we refuse to believe that other structures exist. Take angles for example, in my experience, they are not always happy "cheery" singing cherubs, the last time I encountered a certain deity he was covered in blood holding his beautiful blazing blade (alliteration, you like it? :). Angels can be immensely destructive...some are even created for that SOLE purpose. So take everything in stride and try to keep an open mind...anyway, this is my last post on the subject.
Later
You have hit upon me point, exactly. Very well stated. The human concepts of good and evil are so horribly limited that we refuse to believe that other structures exist. Take angles for example, in my experience, they are not always happy "cheery" singing cherubs, the last time I encountered a certain deity he was covered in blood holding his beautiful blazing blade (alliteration, you like it? :). Angels can be immensely destructive...some are even created for that SOLE purpose. So take everything in stride and try to keep an open mind...anyway, this is my last post on the subject.
Later
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 05, 2002, 13:33:13
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 05, 2002, 13:33:13
This message is for Violet and others who may know about these cloaked
beings? Could you please describe them a little more. Why they were the cloak, what their faces look like, how they vibrate, and what else they do. I have seen a cloaked being, and it maybe helping me. It seems to be around me when I astral some, sometimes it is if it helps OBE. I have also noticed placing impressions on to it, tends have an effect. Like if I said the cloak looks like bats, bats would appear from the cloak. So whatever you could tell me would be greatly appreciated.
beings? Could you please describe them a little more. Why they were the cloak, what their faces look like, how they vibrate, and what else they do. I have seen a cloaked being, and it maybe helping me. It seems to be around me when I astral some, sometimes it is if it helps OBE. I have also noticed placing impressions on to it, tends have an effect. Like if I said the cloak looks like bats, bats would appear from the cloak. So whatever you could tell me would be greatly appreciated.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Nita on March 05, 2002, 21:21:04
Post by: Nita on March 05, 2002, 21:21:04
Hello Tir
I have never known any practictioners of the dark forces to be helpful without benefiting from it in some way. They are out for themselves and are destroyed on the inside by the dark forces. They can be powerful and sucessful but are they the person that they started out as and what are they capable of doing.
Violet, you really stated things well. I also believe that all of these stages are things that have to be gone through to reach the next level of understanding. Different people have different challenges to over come but they come down to the same basic battles.
As for demons and the fae I always make sure that nothing can harm me. I also use shields and wards of different types. Psyhic vampires are not marked by any physically noticeable features. They can be skinny, fat, beautiful and ugly. No one needs to steal energy just because of a physical problem. It is mental problems that cause this factor. I have noticed one thing that has marked a lot of the psychic vampires I have met. They have extreme callouses upon their heel where it looks almost like a extra heel. This is also mentioned in etruscan and other ancient literature.
Nita
I have never known any practictioners of the dark forces to be helpful without benefiting from it in some way. They are out for themselves and are destroyed on the inside by the dark forces. They can be powerful and sucessful but are they the person that they started out as and what are they capable of doing.
Violet, you really stated things well. I also believe that all of these stages are things that have to be gone through to reach the next level of understanding. Different people have different challenges to over come but they come down to the same basic battles.
As for demons and the fae I always make sure that nothing can harm me. I also use shields and wards of different types. Psyhic vampires are not marked by any physically noticeable features. They can be skinny, fat, beautiful and ugly. No one needs to steal energy just because of a physical problem. It is mental problems that cause this factor. I have noticed one thing that has marked a lot of the psychic vampires I have met. They have extreme callouses upon their heel where it looks almost like a extra heel. This is also mentioned in etruscan and other ancient literature.
Nita
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Violet on March 05, 2002, 22:16:27
Post by: Violet on March 05, 2002, 22:16:27
Dear Dog Faced Liar,
Remember to only take in what sits right with you. We are all peers here learning from each other. Question everything.
In my opinion the cloaked beings are what I call the masters of illusion. I am not aware of any literature on them but perhaps some wica books write about them. I know very little about witch craft. From my experiences they do not have a face. Illusion has a thousand faces and therefore has no real face. The cloak looks like a monk's robe. One should not be frightened by anything or worried but it is perhaps wise to approach this as a test. The lesson the cloaked beings have to offer is that inside each of us lies this one nagging need...the need to be special. Only when we love ourselves completely will we no long have anything to prove... and have no need to be special. When we reach this point we have struck the balance between complete confidence and complete humility. A person who is confident and has nothing to prove can be totally open to others and never ever feels threatened and thus can have absolute complete humility. The Masters of Illusion are the test to see if we have moved past our need to feel special. Illusion is full of mystery and manipulative power. It is quite fascinating and alluring. But when you see it for what it is....just an Illusion...and decide that the real things in life (forgiveness, compassion, service to others, awaking, the transforming power of love, etc. etc.) are more interesting then this is when the real test begins. The Masters of Illusion will do everything to allure you back into the "grandure" or when you reject them " the abyss" of Illusion and will make sure you really, really are past the need for Illusion. Past the need to feel special.
I do not know how much literature you read or how much you know about CS Lewis and Tolkien. These two gentlemen were very close friends and both were very, very deep into metaphysics. It may sound very, very strange but Tolkien's fiction while being pure fiction and just a very interesting tale had some metaphysical truths to it. While Tolkien never wrote directly about the Masters of Illusion and never even used that term (that I am aware of) I believe he was well aware of their existence. Please do not think I am recommending you read Lord of the Rings as a non-fiction novel. Tolkien meant for it to be pure fiction to the core. But just as the CS Lewis's Narnia stories held small but important truths so did Tolkiens books. Read Tolkien's work understanding that Tolkien was very adept in metaphysics. Tolkien's books took on new meaning for me after my experiences with the cloaked beings.
Remember to only take in what sits right with you. We are all peers here learning from each other. Question everything.
In my opinion the cloaked beings are what I call the masters of illusion. I am not aware of any literature on them but perhaps some wica books write about them. I know very little about witch craft. From my experiences they do not have a face. Illusion has a thousand faces and therefore has no real face. The cloak looks like a monk's robe. One should not be frightened by anything or worried but it is perhaps wise to approach this as a test. The lesson the cloaked beings have to offer is that inside each of us lies this one nagging need...the need to be special. Only when we love ourselves completely will we no long have anything to prove... and have no need to be special. When we reach this point we have struck the balance between complete confidence and complete humility. A person who is confident and has nothing to prove can be totally open to others and never ever feels threatened and thus can have absolute complete humility. The Masters of Illusion are the test to see if we have moved past our need to feel special. Illusion is full of mystery and manipulative power. It is quite fascinating and alluring. But when you see it for what it is....just an Illusion...and decide that the real things in life (forgiveness, compassion, service to others, awaking, the transforming power of love, etc. etc.) are more interesting then this is when the real test begins. The Masters of Illusion will do everything to allure you back into the "grandure" or when you reject them " the abyss" of Illusion and will make sure you really, really are past the need for Illusion. Past the need to feel special.
I do not know how much literature you read or how much you know about CS Lewis and Tolkien. These two gentlemen were very close friends and both were very, very deep into metaphysics. It may sound very, very strange but Tolkien's fiction while being pure fiction and just a very interesting tale had some metaphysical truths to it. While Tolkien never wrote directly about the Masters of Illusion and never even used that term (that I am aware of) I believe he was well aware of their existence. Please do not think I am recommending you read Lord of the Rings as a non-fiction novel. Tolkien meant for it to be pure fiction to the core. But just as the CS Lewis's Narnia stories held small but important truths so did Tolkiens books. Read Tolkien's work understanding that Tolkien was very adept in metaphysics. Tolkien's books took on new meaning for me after my experiences with the cloaked beings.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 07, 2002, 06:40:22
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 07, 2002, 06:40:22
Dear Violet
Have you listened to Whitley Strieber's show on Lord of the Rings. There is a guy who is on the radio show, who talks all about it, might want to give it a listen. Go to www.unknowcountry.com and click on the green listen now in the top right hand corner. Its Feb. 16th that you would want to listen too.
Have you listened to Whitley Strieber's show on Lord of the Rings. There is a guy who is on the radio show, who talks all about it, might want to give it a listen. Go to www.unknowcountry.com and click on the green listen now in the top right hand corner. Its Feb. 16th that you would want to listen too.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 07, 2002, 07:12:03
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 07, 2002, 07:12:03
Hi Violet
It seems that the Lord of the Rings segment starts at 37:00 into it.
It seems that the Lord of the Rings segment starts at 37:00 into it.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Violet on March 08, 2002, 16:58:04
Post by: Violet on March 08, 2002, 16:58:04
Dear Dog Face Liar,
Thank you very much. I have listened to part of it now and did indeed find it very interesting. I found his tracing of the root meaning of words very interesting and how the Christian church basically stripped choice from the people. I never knew the word "haresy" meant "choice".
Many Thanks,
Violet
Thank you very much. I have listened to part of it now and did indeed find it very interesting. I found his tracing of the root meaning of words very interesting and how the Christian church basically stripped choice from the people. I never knew the word "haresy" meant "choice".
Many Thanks,
Violet
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 10, 2002, 21:21:41
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 10, 2002, 21:21:41
So, are you talking about the antisocial psychic vamps who steal energy, or the polite ones who ask first? (Times change). In modern vamp culture, predatory behavior is frowned upon.
--Winged Wolf
--Winged Wolf
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: travrai blue robes on March 14, 2002, 12:45:38
Post by: travrai blue robes on March 14, 2002, 12:45:38
uh oh, I caught you guys talking about alternative perceptions of good and evil.
here's one:
in the beginning, there was silence. we were all part of the silence, united, asleep, undisturbed, at peace. until one jerk wakes up, we'll call him god. he becomes the creative force, and what the creative force does, is construct, make noise, and bind together... he creates form, the forcing together of the darkness, and he insists on waking everyone one of us up to join him and play the same games he is playing. some of us are notably ticked at this jerk who won't stop trying to disturb our natural state. we might even lash out to defend our peace. others agree, that, what the hell, you woke me up, but you're a fun bloke. I'm going to hang out with you and help spread this fun. the most wise of the 'evil' are above distractions and clear in the purpose of silence and peace. the most wise of the 'good' are above distractions and clear in the purpose of creativity and sharing. which side is right? who can say. they are just different.
that's just some fiction I made up. I'll be the first to tell anyone who should catch such imaginative thought from me that there is a truth but you don't get it by imagining.
here's one:
in the beginning, there was silence. we were all part of the silence, united, asleep, undisturbed, at peace. until one jerk wakes up, we'll call him god. he becomes the creative force, and what the creative force does, is construct, make noise, and bind together... he creates form, the forcing together of the darkness, and he insists on waking everyone one of us up to join him and play the same games he is playing. some of us are notably ticked at this jerk who won't stop trying to disturb our natural state. we might even lash out to defend our peace. others agree, that, what the hell, you woke me up, but you're a fun bloke. I'm going to hang out with you and help spread this fun. the most wise of the 'evil' are above distractions and clear in the purpose of silence and peace. the most wise of the 'good' are above distractions and clear in the purpose of creativity and sharing. which side is right? who can say. they are just different.
that's just some fiction I made up. I'll be the first to tell anyone who should catch such imaginative thought from me that there is a truth but you don't get it by imagining.
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on March 20, 2002, 15:28:25
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on March 20, 2002, 15:28:25
travrai blue robes-
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I found your reply quite thought provoking, not the words necessarily...but where it trasnported my thoughts, if you know what I mean.
There's one point, however, that I beg to put under the microscope of thought. Good and evil ARE different and they BOTH have to be in order for the other to exist... BUT I delcare that good (light) is better than evil (darkness). Why? Maybe it's because I am in the light, or striving to be in the light, and I like the way it feels. I also see that evil always desires to drag light down with it to it's miserable state. I also know, from my own experiences, that darkness never feels good about itself and always despises evil, while on the other hand light feels bad for darkness and wants to pull it forward.
Forgive the ill used metaphors and weak stylistic flow of my thoughts...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I found your reply quite thought provoking, not the words necessarily...but where it trasnported my thoughts, if you know what I mean.
There's one point, however, that I beg to put under the microscope of thought. Good and evil ARE different and they BOTH have to be in order for the other to exist... BUT I delcare that good (light) is better than evil (darkness). Why? Maybe it's because I am in the light, or striving to be in the light, and I like the way it feels. I also see that evil always desires to drag light down with it to it's miserable state. I also know, from my own experiences, that darkness never feels good about itself and always despises evil, while on the other hand light feels bad for darkness and wants to pull it forward.
Forgive the ill used metaphors and weak stylistic flow of my thoughts...
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 20, 2002, 19:50:14
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 20, 2002, 19:50:14
Eh, I think too many people spend too much time dwelling on the whole good and evil question.
Good and evil are both in the mind of the beholder only. They have no other existence. I can make up a concept called dwoit, and say it's the opposite of fnord, but that's all in my head, see?
If something makes you happy, and benefits you and yours, you call it good--if something ticks you off and tries to hurt or harm you and yours, you call it evil.
To the deer, the wolf is evil--to the wolf, the human is evil.
But are any of them, REALLY? I don't think so.
--Winged Wolf
Good and evil are both in the mind of the beholder only. They have no other existence. I can make up a concept called dwoit, and say it's the opposite of fnord, but that's all in my head, see?
If something makes you happy, and benefits you and yours, you call it good--if something ticks you off and tries to hurt or harm you and yours, you call it evil.
To the deer, the wolf is evil--to the wolf, the human is evil.
But are any of them, REALLY? I don't think so.
--Winged Wolf
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Tir13 on March 21, 2002, 00:12:20
Post by: Tir13 on March 21, 2002, 00:12:20
Oh you little monkeys....
Here is my take on it. First, get rid of those quaint little good/evil labels, with humans its all "shades of grey" especially when working with post-conventional moral reasoning. To keep things simple there are two main forces at work within our little universe. Order and Chaos. Humans are creatures working within 'Order', we like our laws, places, positions, gov't, tra la la. The idea of 'destructive' energies and lack for a better word, 'anarchy' rarely fit within our mainstream way of thinking. With Chaos, everything is its opposite, but "not" (it gets more confusing)...and Chaos creatures are just a pleasure to work with *sarcasm*. These two models (especially Order with humans) set boundaries for us, showing us what brings us pleasure and pain, at least from a behaviorist perspective...I dunno, who really knows?
Night,
Jason
Here is my take on it. First, get rid of those quaint little good/evil labels, with humans its all "shades of grey" especially when working with post-conventional moral reasoning. To keep things simple there are two main forces at work within our little universe. Order and Chaos. Humans are creatures working within 'Order', we like our laws, places, positions, gov't, tra la la. The idea of 'destructive' energies and lack for a better word, 'anarchy' rarely fit within our mainstream way of thinking. With Chaos, everything is its opposite, but "not" (it gets more confusing)...and Chaos creatures are just a pleasure to work with *sarcasm*. These two models (especially Order with humans) set boundaries for us, showing us what brings us pleasure and pain, at least from a behaviorist perspective...I dunno, who really knows?
Night,
Jason
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 22, 2002, 00:53:43
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 22, 2002, 00:53:43
I think we are as everything else is--living within chaos and order. I do not think chaos and order are opposed, I think they exist within one another. This is a paradox, but paradox may be the fuel for motion, and motion is what makes all of this possible....
I once had a....thought, insight, whimsy, whatever....of the universe as a paradox chasing its tail. It is infinitely small, yet infinitely large, and this paradox going around and around like a computer stuck on resolution of a problem creates the motion that allows things to change.
Without change, nothing we know is possible, certainly not life. Nothing moves, nothing grows, nothing thinks. This is the ultimate of "order"--complete stagnation. Its opposite is pure nothingness because without pattern nothing can exist, even briefly. So much for chaos and order. It takes both, one within the other, to make reality.
Perhaps paradox is at the foundation of everything....if so then when we come down to the basest level of something and find a paradox there, perhaps we really have found the truth, instead of made a mistake or missed a bit of information.....
or perhaps all paradoxes are resolved, only to reveal more paradoxes below them...and so on into infinity.....
Just something to think about. :)
--Winged Wolf
I once had a....thought, insight, whimsy, whatever....of the universe as a paradox chasing its tail. It is infinitely small, yet infinitely large, and this paradox going around and around like a computer stuck on resolution of a problem creates the motion that allows things to change.
Without change, nothing we know is possible, certainly not life. Nothing moves, nothing grows, nothing thinks. This is the ultimate of "order"--complete stagnation. Its opposite is pure nothingness because without pattern nothing can exist, even briefly. So much for chaos and order. It takes both, one within the other, to make reality.
Perhaps paradox is at the foundation of everything....if so then when we come down to the basest level of something and find a paradox there, perhaps we really have found the truth, instead of made a mistake or missed a bit of information.....
or perhaps all paradoxes are resolved, only to reveal more paradoxes below them...and so on into infinity.....
Just something to think about. :)
--Winged Wolf
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2002, 00:59:53
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2002, 00:59:53
Fallen Karma- I suggest you train heavily in Shaolin kung fu and "Empty Force" Qi Gong. Both styles are highly effective. Let me put it this way: To hit my instructor is to hit a solid steel wall. Look for kung fu brothers in the astral plane who have passed from this world and ask them for advice.
"Everything you see or hear or experience in any way at all is specific to you. You create a universe by perceiving it, so everything in the universe you perceive is specific to you."
-Douglass Adams
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"Everything you see or hear or experience in any way at all is specific to you. You create a universe by perceiving it, so everything in the universe you perceive is specific to you."
-Douglass Adams
"Shaolin men and women NEVER give up!"
Title: A self-introduction/question concerning Dark Elves
Post by: Fallen Karma on February 28, 2002, 21:45:47
Post by: Fallen Karma on February 28, 2002, 21:45:47
I've led an extrodinary life as far as the paranormal is concerned. I looked everywhere for a place to ask my questions, and I'm glad I finally found it here. My concern is with Dark Elves. They can be described as the manifestation of the collective unconcious belief that "something" is lurking in the dark. Well, recently, I believe the Dark Elves in question have visited the physical plane more often and plan on doing so in the future. I'm curious if any of you have any experience with Dark Elves regarding physical or astral battle with them, known weaknesses etc. I want to know as much as possible, as I believe I was told by an Astral Father that I was to be involved in "dealings" with them in the future. I'm also curious if anyone has heard of the psy-astral vampiric group called the House of Druis. Very interested in hearing a reply...