Balance in PSD

[SpectralDragon]

I believe what Sam is trying to say with the martial arts is that you need to move around attacks to uncover a weakness and then attack. That or throw an attack as a counter, like in kung fu. Also you need to be balanced or you will tip over[]

[Sam]

Yes thats what I meant - not to be defensive all the time but use attacks only when they are going to have the desired effect on your opponent.  Constant attacking with no desired effect wastes energy.  Constant defending doesn't improve your position.  Its about balance.

Any thoughts on the rest of my post?

[Dark Knight]

Sam,

what you're describing is the context of the situation.

[Nita]

Hello Everyone
  People always want to remove the fear they feel when hearing about psychic attacks. It seems that most people do it by attacking the ones with the problems. It is easy to do and they can feel that they are superior and it will never happen to them.
  Balance is important in magic and defense along with blocking and techniques. I always advise people to never use attacks as they can be reversed and the victim can suffer even worse. That was a good quote by Robert, Dark Knight.
    Nita

[Dark Knight]

quote:1: People that need a more positive outlook, or better ways of thinking about things
2: People that are influenced by an entity beyond their ability to cope

Something I'd like to add to this, Sam.

People in category number 2 can eventually become the people in category 1, but things have to change first for that to take place. First, the people in category 2 need to have their lives stabilised so they can cope effectively, so that thing like everyday family and work responsibilities can be maintained withour feeling like they're gonna die. This will enable people to walk away from situations so they can cope in a healthier way instead of cannabalising themselves to stay alive. Then the people in category 2 have to be reintroduced to things like having their personal dignity honored and respected. The point of doing that is bring people back into feeling like they are part of creation. If a person under attack is not being respected and is told to walk around and look at the creation, look at the life, you know what you're having that person do? You're teaching the person everything else has value but them, they are outside the creative force deserving honor and respect. We need to feel we are a part of that force to defeat negs, and when you put the cart before the horse in the manner I have just described above, you are isolating a person and giving the neg everything it wants to manipulate and control it's prey.

Once those two things have been satisfied, then the people in category 2 can become better people in the manner of category 1. If it isn't, forget it.

Why don't you just hand the person under attack over to the neg on a silver platter, it's more direct.

[Dark Knight]

quote:1: People that need a more positive outlook, or better ways of thinking about things

One more thing about Sam's category 1, the people that fall into this side of the argument...this is the lesson you are supposed to be learning when interacting with people under psychic attack. You need to learn a better way of thinking about things, chiefly how to treat other people and how you see yourselves in their situation, and in creation, and I don't see it happening.

Sorry for re-posting, just seems like the longer the post, the less likely someone is going to read it.

[Sam]

Dark Knight I respect your position and you are definately a specialist in dealing with "group 2" of my example.  I also agree that the "group 2" people, once they've dealt with their own problems, may fall into "group 1" where they have to fight their inner demons as well.  The situation is a lot more complex than 2 simple groups and there are meny complex interactions, which is why I think it is more important for everyone to use their own experience in a way that will help the person in trouble.  It's been mentioned in recent threads, but if you aren't in a position to help somebody (ie if you haven't got the experience), don't try, cos you'll just make things harder and more confusing.  

quote:One more thing about Sam's category 1, the people that fall into this side of the argument...this is the lesson you are supposed to be learning when interacting with people under psychic attack. You need to learn a better way of thinking about things, chiefly how to treat other people and how you see yourselves in their situation, and in creation, and I don't see it happening.

I don't see it happening either, and this is the thing I've learned recently.  People's perspectives are built out of their experience.  It is difficult for most people to understand an alien perspective from a mere description.  You can know all the theory, but you can't "know", if you know what I mean?

I think it will be better to stop trying to change everyones perspective, because such a change will only be brought about through experience.  

I do think though that people need to continue to respect the fact that experiences and perspectives ARE different, and not to try to push one's own as "more correct" than another.  Which means if someone needs help, work out if your experiences will actually help the person, or if the job is better suited to someone else.

quote:People always want to remove the fear they feel when hearing about psychic attacks. It seems that most people do it by attacking the ones with the problems. It is easy to do and they can feel that they are superior and it will never happen to them.

Fear, or denial.  I don't think people do this intentionally though.

quote:Balance is important in magic and defense along with blocking and techniques. I always advise people to never use attacks as they can be reversed and the victim can suffer even worse. That was a good quote by Robert, Dark Knight

I don't want to sound rude or nuthin, but Robert Bruce is just another one of us, albeit very vocal and descriptive about his experiences.  Maybe the victim CAN suffer worse, or maybe a well timed attack will help the victim.  There is a correct situation for most things, and a well timed attack can be a good defense.

[Dark Knight]

quote:People always want to remove the fear they feel when hearing about psychic attacks. It seems that most people do it by attacking the ones with the problems. It is easy to do and they can feel that they are superior and it will never happen to them.

Just short end of the stick...you don't get rid of fear by running away from it and being closed to it. You have to move through fear to unravel it...that's how you get self confidence and will to defeat negs. People that have the freedom to walk away from their problems will find it will catch up with them eventually. And people forced into walking away when they darn well can't self destruct.

[Sam]

I'd like to point out a few things recent topics covered have opened my eyes to, and I'd like to thank everyone involved for making these things more clear to me.

When I used to practice Tae-Kwon-Do, balance was emphasised greatly.  Tae-Kwon-Do is a powerful form of physical self defence, which utilises vulnerable points in your attacker to your advantage.  The focus isn't on repeatedly trying to defeat your opponent through use of rapid attacks, but on defending their attacks until a critical weakness is revealed, which can then be exploited.  At all times a good sense of balance is required, between defending and attacking.  You need to read your opponent and work out the correct form of action - an offensive strike or a duck to the side, stand back and kick at a distance, or get in close and deliver a couple of strong punches.  Another technique we learned was a method of determining when a fight is necessary, and when it can be walked away from.  This methodology can be transfered into many aspects of a persons life, for example during arguments.  

If a fight seems neccessary, try to sustain your opponents attacks, defending them away with blocking manouvers.  This keeps your energy focussed until such a point where your opponent reveals a critical weakness, which is the time you attack and find them off guard, unbalanced.

The above techniques I find to be very useful, and you can choose whether or not you accept their ability to help out in a fight.

As far as the recent arguments go, it is critical that we keep the focus on balance, and accept that some people specialise more in one area than another.  Some people come here believing they are under attack from negatives, when its really their own delusion.  Other times, people come here thinking "I can't work out whats going on, why am I feeling so drained" and its not the fact that they are a negative person, but that some outside influence, or neg, is draining them and they need help to defend themselves.

Isn't there a way that we can determine what category a person fits into.  As far as I can see, there are two categories for people genuinely seeking help:

1: People that need a more positive outlook, or better ways of thinking about things
2: People that are influenced by an entity beyond their ability to cope

There are also two main categories of people willing to help.  There are those of us that have endured countless neg attacks and learnt how to deal with them, and in doing so have a more thorough understanding of what it involves and are better situated to help a person who is suffering from an attack.  There are also those of us who have found we've had to overcome inner struggles in our life, and are experienced enough to help others who need help in overcoming these inner battles.

Its not black and white, though, as people can fit into any of the above categories, or anywhere in between.  What we need to do, though, if we really want to help others, is work out where we fit in these forums, and what our strengths are, and what our weaknesses are.  If you fit in one category more than the other, it is difficult to understand the other person's point of view, and pointless to try to because in helping other people, it would be better to relate to ACTUAL experience rather than regurgitating what someone else has told you is so.

Working out where we are best equipped to help is the first stage.  Once we work that out we then need to work out a way of finding out whether a person who needs help is suffering an inner or an outer difficulty.  A person seeking help, after posting their problem, simply becomes confused if about 6 conflicting replys tells them "you're problem comes from... you need to...".  If we can work out which category a person falls into then the people who have the best knowledge about the problem area should proceed to help the person, calling on help from the other specialists if required.

We all need to pull together, as has been mentioned many times, rather than tear each other apart because your experiences don't match.  Its impossible to understand what it feels like to walk on the moon, or swim, or anything, if you've never actually been there, done that.  This probably goes against things I've said previously, but the recent arguments have opened my eyes up somewhat to what the aim of this place is, and that at the moment there are some conflicting thoughts which need to be understood as each person having their own perspective gained from their own personal experience.  Just because they're different doesn't mean they aren't right in a particular circumstance.  But in a given circumstance there is a possibility that someones approach is wrong, and it will help everyone more if you work out whether the circumstance applys to you or not (through questioning) before applying your insight.

I'd like to finish with a quote.  Anyone who's listened to Cake would know this one: "You think she's an open book, but you don't know which page to turn to, do you?".