Broken boundaries, brainwash, mind control

[beavis]

"He doesn't want you to have ANY boundaries whatsoever. No belief systems, nothing structured or constant...a total zip. That's how he goes about fragmenting you (and how my Negs try to fragment me). It's a total brainwash job."

Having no belief system (except what I learn from experience) has made me stronger and less susceptible to lies. Human minds are so screwed up from what other people tell them that they need to be brainwashed so they can start gathering accurate information and not have to restructure it to fit into a system of lies. The "neg" was trying to teach a valuable lesson.

"Without boundaries/some structure, our sense of self and identities can't exist."

If self requires boundaries, it isnt worth a crap. When you die you will have 1000000x less boundaries, but you will still be self.

"We become empty little shells that these things can fill up with anything they want."

Nothing has filled me up with whatever they want.

[Rob]

Beavis - you are leaving her *will* out of the equation. You might not have set beliefs but you still do what you "believe" to be right/best/whatever. Your will runs through a set channel. If you like, the process DK is talking about sound more like not knowing which channel to choose so they can do it for her. just my 2c...

Rob

[Dark Knight]

Sorry Beavis, Inguma is right! That is exactly what I was describing.

Definition and concept of what a boundary is has GOT to change.

People are assuming the black and white, stringent universe that some conservatives live is the only thing that is a boundary, the only thing that is a structure. Beavis, you haven't given up boundaries, you're still living in them, but instead of Black and White you have very intricate, complex shades of grey...shades seperated by boundaries that you just accept without even thinking of them as boundaries (why, b/c of your freedom).

When you're a kid, you have boundaries and structure in one form. They're there to act as a kind of shelter, so you can concentrate on being a kid and learning the life lessons required of a kid, making friends, social skills, coping skills, etc. As you got older and learned those social and coping skills, you didn't need structure in that form...so you accepted a new form. You know the saying, "Where do we draw the line?" That's what life is, a continuous examination of drawing and redrawing the line. Shades of grey and more shades of grey. I need this for now, Oh cool, I don't need this anymore, trade in for new definitions, new delineations, new differentiations. Do you believe it's OK for someone to screw around with someone's head...that's a boundary, whatever you believe, it's a boundary.

No boundaries, at all, someone else's will dictating everything...nothing in you exists at all anymore.

[CRIMINALMIND63]

Dark Knight is right,without boundary people can do anything to you they want. Most people are aware of the physical boundries which include verbal. What you don't realize is these people have passed the physicla boundry to enter the mind. Our minds do not belong to ourselves. Our thoughts do not belong to ourseves. When you thing something in your mind you alone can analyze the situation and make a decision based on your thought without pressure from another's thoughts. Unfortunately our experience isn't as easy. Here is something to look at. Which I still haven't understood yet. Maybe one could fill me in an answer. We thing of negs wanted to lead of to harm and ruin, why would a neg want you to stop something that will harm you? I can understand everyone here telling me to change a negative aspect about me to not just better myself but to stop the attacks. When a neg wants to destroy you why would they have you do something that would benefit you? It is a sense of control for them, it also gives more control of yourself over to them. Once they gain this control they will take it farther. My attacker wanted me to stop smoking among many things, that was two years ago he started with that. I said no that is one thing that I know is of me and I'm goiing to keep doing it because I know I still have a part of me left. I was told my attacker wants me dead and even admitted to it and wished me dead. No way is this man wanting to help me in anyway. It's a tactic to take all that is you and make what the attacker wants you to be. I talked to a person that told me that my attacker owned me. He said that he did just like he owned his student's. I told him no one owns me. If this is some sick intitiation I don't except it and I won't abide by someone elses rules. I'm not here to be someone's puppet it. I won't go into what I have know about puppet. You may want to call it programmed or robot. I myself believe that I was also given information about the occult from another source for human kind to learn to prevent such attacks. I believe it is the will of higher sources to let it be known the truth behind attacks and to also teach people to prevent them. I have more searching to do on this subject, so I would rather not go into this subject as yet.
Dark Knight don't be offended by this, I'm trying to put this in a nice way. Your ET's call them attacker. If there is really Et's is not the concern here, don't place blame on them. I was told I had an alien implant that my attacker placed in my aura. I come to realize that implant maybe another term for core image. This core image is of an event with no physical bases behind it. Here is the story. I was being attacked, I went to the hospital, out of fear and feeling that I must stay awake I spent most of the night awake. I finally dosed off and when I awake my attacker told me him and his wife was aliens. He said he drained my spirit from me then showed me green light flowing into the side of my crown and said he was making an alien out of me. Go ahead you can laugh. I laugh about it now. This is just another mind game that was played on me. Not only that I have been sent mental images from my attacker more then just that incident. It's just an image with words induced in your mind to make you think they are aliens. One thing I havae learned that I believe might help other is sleep. I felt that I should stay awake, I went two days without sleep. I had a sense that if I went to sleep that I would give over control to my attacker. For they can attack you in your sleep. What I didn't realize also was that without sleep I put myself in an altered state where what was sent to me made it more realistic and made me weaker for my attacker to gain more of a hold over me. My mind and my senses where sharp, my thinking wasn't muddled but my highened aware of what was beening done to me was more intense. What I'm trying to tell you is look at this as being an attack from a human. I honestly believe it is. This will stop you from the fear of being taking over by somehting you don't know, or what you don't know about. My problem was I didn't know that all this could happen and from the words of my attacker ther ewas alot more that was likely to happen. It was a lack of knowledge that kept fear there.
Here is something else, you will find that sending love doesn't always help. Getting rid of negative aspects of yourself isn't always helpful. You can get rid of the lower level aspects that negs are suppose to move on and still you find yourself attacked. This goes back to why does my neg want me to do something positive for myself. You are really fighting for who you are and what you want to be. You are fighting for your inner right or boundaries. Fight for I AM that I AM. I want to yell when I'm yelled at, I want to swear when i'm sweared at. If my attacker is going to do it to me then I'm doing it back. A little dose of his medicine isn't going to hurt him. Call it the mirrors are reflecting him. What is coming from him is going back to him, i'm just the tool to do it.
You will find that attackers are up to date on psychology. My attacker didn't realize i'm not Pavlov's dog. I have no reward. Put a rat in a box and corner it and it will attack. I find being nice will only let them get more of a hold on you.
I read that very one has a shadow side, one that is the darker side of us, one when pushed will defend itself. Some have a darker side then others. Well my attacker gets to deal with my darker half like I have to suffer from his.

[embrisa]

Greetings,
I just joined this site but have been reading these forums most of the night. When I got to this section about boundaries I thought I might throw in my two cents worth.  I've been bothered by negs for some time, ever since I became involved with a certain man in my life. I also learned that he is a psychic vampire and feeds off me regularly. In fact, this occurance is not so uncommon and happens much more than many of us would like to admit, especially in relationships. When it got to a point where it started to affect my very being, my health, all that I am, I decided it was time to do something about it. I read, I researched, I did everything I could to help myself. I'd like to post some of my findings here to share with you people out there.
I have alot of the books that I seen mentioned here, but one that I think I found very helpful that I did not see is a book called Psychic vampires by Joe H Slate, Ph.D. It is packed full of wonderful information along with many exercises one can do to help themselves. Everything he talks about was done in an experimental setting with students from a university. They also did kirlian photography on the aura before and after these experiments to show and prove their effectiveness. So I think the book is worth checking out.
As for boundaries, I personally feel boundaries are very important. Your aura is your energetic skin. It sets a clear distinction of what is yours and what is not yours. Your boundaries are set by healthy anger that flows appropriately and informs you of boundary violations. If you spit your anger at people you destroy your boundaries and theirs, but if you repress your anger and pretend you never got hurt you will de-engergize your boundaries. Its best to understand anger as energies the come from the deepest parts of your soul and use them as such. Learn that anger builds and repairs your boundaries and your aura. You can channel your anger into your boundaries and reset your aura consciously. If you are really steaming angry you can set the outside edge of your aura on fire and make really strong boundary definitions with the specific energy your soul sends you when your boundaries are in trouble. Also remember you must also state and know your intentions clearly.
Also grounding yourself properly is very important for fighting off negs and psychic vampire attacks. There are several ways to ground yourself and i'm sure most of you know how to do this. Also, while you are grounding.. you might want to ground your chakras as well. You can easily do this. Just imagine your chakras, say your base chakra, which is located at the base of the spine.. the color for that chakra is red.. imagine a red cord from that chakra going down into the earth. with your breath..breathe in pure white light energy and as you breathe out.. send the energy down, breathe in and out as many times as necessary until you are breathing that energy through that cord into the earth. Then move up to the next chakra and do the same thing.. imagine the cord, but this time make it orange and send it down into the earth. again..breathe the pure white energy light until it is going through that cord into the earth. do that with each of the chakras all the way to the crown chakra. I start off every day in this way and its made a remarkable improvement in my life and health.
You can also do this with your room or your workspace. I won't go into that because I don't want to bore you all.
Also remember, negs love to feed off fear. So beat them down with LOVE! Concentrate on your heart chakra and imagine radiating pink love energy flowing from that chakra.. from the front of you and the back. I will go about my daily business while doing this, but always aware of the pink love energy flowing from my heart chakra. If you are not aware, it will not work. Sorry for the long posting. I hope it helps somebody out there.

Blessings and Love,
Embrisa.

[CRIMINALMIND63]

Someone please tell us how to close our feet chakras. How about a physical way. It's cold now so walking over a water hose is out of the question.
I have talk to several people and it appears that our attacker come through our feet. If we aren't grounded then they can come in.

[Dark Knight]

Guys,

You know, I'm really sorry about repeating information like this but I think it's important...especially given how hard I was pounded on after I wrote the original. The quote is a part of Criminalmind63 response listed in the "a mothers curse" thread by Xander. My two original replies are below it. What she describes is what a lot of us undergoing long term neg attack are going through. The constant whittling down, mind game. Not to hijack anyone's idea or conversation, it's just that a lot of people have no clue what is happening to them because they're unable to detach and see the big picture thanks to what these things/people are doing to them.

quote:Inguma,
You are right about changing your life, but what people need to be aware of when it comes to real psychic attacks. Your attacker wants to control you and your live style. For example my attacker doesn't like me smoking. He lets me know it. articles I come across he lets me know it's because of smoking. Every change he gets it's smoking. I also here about me being materialist that I don't deserve a job I had because it paid 12.50. Also the work I did is a man's job. Men are suppose to do those jobs I need to work where woman work. I was an inspector for metal. I come across a website about metals and magic. He told me about working around metal, said that's why my attack hasn't stoppped. I would also go out and listen to a band once in awhile he told me I had to stay out because that's where you pick up negs. I had been in bars many times before my attacker and I never picked up a neg. The only thing negative your going to pick up is someone's attitude. I do realize that when you do these things it does open you, but i'm sure you will close back down. Hopefully there isn't an attacker oops neg around to enter you. I'm not going to let my attacker change my life. I rather change to be more loving then to stop smoking. I was also told by my attacker that I should go to church, sorry I don't have to go to church to hold God and love in my heart it's there. Most people in my opinion that go to church live a double standard live anyway. Really we all do depending on what button is pushed in us.

Criminal,

Sounds like your attacker is doing to you what my attackers do to me. They try to make you hypersensitive to EVERYTHING. Everything is wrong and nothing is safe or good or appreciated. Everything petty and little that most people ignore becomes a an act of murder. THank you for inspiring me again. This is how our boundaries are attacked and in some cases annihilated. Then they put their boundaries up for you to navigate through and you basically become their little wooden dummy. You move when they want you to, your mouth moves when they want you to.

This is why I keep saying, VALIDATE people! When something is constantly doing this to you, and manipulating how your emotions feel by manipulating your energy at the same time, you can't find stable ground to detach and see the bigger picture to break free. People jump all over you for being sensitive to such stupid stuff, blame you for it, and then you start thinking like the 18yr kid from Bruce's book...you're a failure, it's your fault, it ruins your self esteem...which is what these things want. Low self esteem = low energy which gives them more access. Next thing you know you're fighting a battle on two fronts, the attackers and the people you turn to for help.

Unless you're dealing with a Neg that takes off on the first sign of trouble, you can't do this alone. Your thoughts and emotions are always in question and over the dumbest, petty things.

Criminal...one more thing...

I know you think he's trying to stop you from smoking, believe that a woman shouldn't hold down a job, etc...that's not what he's doing.

I can tell you what will happen, b/c again, it's being done to me. Let's say you listen to him and you stop smoking. Pretty soon, after you get used to not smoking, maybe not even liking the smell of smoke/taste of Nicotine, he'll contradict himself and urge you to start taking up smoking again. Why? He doesn't want you to have ANY boundaries whatsoever. No belief systems, nothing structured or constant...a total zip. That's how he goes about fragmenting you (and how my Negs try to fragment me). It's a total brainwash job. Without boundaries/some structure, our sense of self and identities can't exist. We become empty little shells that these things can fill up with anything they want.

From a combination of being attacked constantly, not knowing what has happening to me, not being able to think or feel clearly, and getting "help" from a pair of daffy dimwits telling me things like, "If you don't buy me this, if you don't stop telling us things we do not want to hear, we'll let your whole family die,"...that was exactly what these things had turned me into...mindless, brainless, souless.

Then I was calling, emailing, faxing UFO groups at the Negs whim because they wanted me as a tool/vehicle to help them attach to certain individuals.

If you'll excuse I feel a punishment coming on