Can negs send good images to get your hopes up?

[Terry B]

I can't tell you if it's real or not. But sensing presence while projecting is quite common actually. How do you know it's a neg? Not to dismiss the existance of neg but Astral projection is very tricky. Getting out is the easy part. Handling the experience is much more harder. Taking into account the fact that your perception largely depends on your ecpectation and your inside is on the outside there can be many explanation of the experience. You might like to check the Astral Conciousness forums, there is a post while back on presence on the onset of projection. There, I've found it.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3804

I have many time experience this stuff. Sometime I see people in my room, sometime I heard strange noise, being pulled out of the body and so on. I freak out big time. Still haven't got much control of my emotion in the astral. But when I question myself why I am afraid, the fear subside. Projecting your own fear outside can make the situation much more fearful. When sensing an entity, you need to make sure that it is not actually your fear projection you are sensing. Even SP episode were much worse. I am definitely awake when it happen. But still I can't pinpoint for sure if it's a neg or what. Maybe I'm just clueless.

I guess the only thing to know if its real is if you really met her. If it's real and you don't met her then who can say it's real.[]

Again, I'm not really saying that what you see/hear is not a neg, it maybe. Only you can tell fo sure.

I have to agree that college is full of negs, physical and non-physical.[]
 

[Anonymous]

I am not afraid of demons or negs. If I have to I will fight them, to the death if necessary. It seems we see what we expect to see. With that in mind, I can project more easily, with the knowledge that I essentially create my own fate. Maybe if I expect to see my soulmate, I will see her. I actually did sense her last night, briefly. She was setting up a computer, which was either her brother's or her brother was going to help her set it up. I felt like I had known her for a long time. Much in that brief daydream/vision was familiar to me for some reason, though I know that I have never encountered anything from it in the physical plane. Thanks for your reply. That thread really helped, too.

[Fat_Turkey]

Well if he did meet her maybe if it is a Neg the punk is using her to get his hopes up and then drop him down to make his barriers drop. Crafty little things they be...

Yeah college and high school - Negs galore!

Later
-FT

[Anonymous]

Fat Turkey, that's my guess. But I'm not going to dismiss the images in my mind entirely, either. We'll see what happens. College IS full of negs, unfortunately. It seems they hold sway over many who are there, in subtle ways.

[jilola]

Why do you assume it's a neg?
Couldn't it just as well be the soulmate?
Freaing out by somthing doesn't necessarily mean that something is out to get you.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[kakkarot]

you know, ederwiggin, i have noticed that you seem to be taking on a somewhat dangerous mindset: that negative spirits are behind all bad things.

ie, "Every night I notice that whenever I try to do some energy work or astral project, some damn neg comes along and makes something creak, like my desk behind me and it breaks my concentration."

and "The person that I think is my soulmate started to say something but I didn't get to hear what she said because I realized I was out and something (a neg?) distracted me."

"Do negs send good images to people to make them think something good is going to happen to them in the future?" it is true that evil spirits and the like will use any dirty trick they can, if they are really behind it, but also realize that human beings are complex things in and of themself, as well as life is a very complex thing too. even if there were no such things as spirits, then those two things (humans and life) mixing together is still going to produce an almost infinite number of events - good, evil, and neutral. spirits just add to the "fun".

you might want to watch that a bit. after all, "chance and luck come upon all men." i'm not trying to be rebuking here, it's just that i went through a phase like that, and i'd hate to see anyone else make the same mistakes i've made.

~kakkarot

[Anonymous]

I read something recently about how our perception of things is based on our expectations. It seems to explain some of the things that I've experienced. But still, when I was "out" and she was saying something to me, I felt fear course through me for no reason, and I swear I did see something out of the corner of my eye, and it was dark. It could've been my jacket, it could've been a closet door I left open. It was hard to tell, because, like I said, I wasn't out for more than 15 seconds, and my second sight was finally activated at about the last 2 or 3 seconds before I was returned to my body.

What were the consequences of this mistake you speak of? I'm interested.

Believe me, I don't think that every entity out there or everything that happens is because of a neg. I know luck is a factor of our fates and experiences. But literally, EVERY single night, the SAME creaking noise occurs as I am just about to fall asleep. EVERY TIME. I'm not exagerating at all. It appears to be a bit louder when I am meditating. Sometimes, especially as I meditate, it will occur more than once. And it only happens with the light off. It doesn't make sense to me physically. I understand that wood swells in heat and shrinks in the cold, which causes creaking to occur in most houses, but the change in temperature in my dorm room is so minute that it would not cause such a thing to happen. The temperature in here is pretty much constant, day and night. What do you base your observations on, other than this post, that lead you to believe that I would think that everything that happens is because of a neg or demon?

I myself do not see it, but that's probably because I'm me. Most of us have a hard time seeing some of our own flaws.

I have learned something of great value within the past couple days- In the astral, what we expect is what happens to us. That is why it is usually a good idea to set out on a mission when we first project. I need to project more to get used to the feeling of being "out." It's like when we first learn to swim. When I was young, I was afraid of the water because of how deep it was (and the fact that I couldn't swim). I could hardly stand being in a bathtub, let alone an ocean or even a pond. But when I learned how to swim, I did it so much because it became fun. I once spent an hour straight in the water, without getting back onto the land, just snorkeling. Anyway, what I am saying is, a neg probably wasn't behind the fear factor that ultimately caused me to retreat to my body the other night. It was probably a combination of lack of experience, expectation, and whatever it was I think I saw, which was probably just a jacket placed in an unfortunate spot. Either way, I know I'm not perfect. I'm quite far from it. But I am correcting any error I can find. I appreciate your comments and have taken them into consideration.

[Fat_Turkey]

Well if you think this girl is your soulmate then go and talk to her. Every guy gets scared of girls some time [].

But hmm I can't say for sure whether or not it's a Neg or not, but I think it's good to treat it like a Neg problem just in case. Set up some passive countermeasures next time you project or meditate.

Later
-FT

[Anonymous]

FT, I would talk to this girl, if I knew who she was. I've never seen her  on the physical plane. The only time I saw her was when that vision of her came into my mind.

[kakkarot]

"What do you base your observations on, other than this post, that lead you to believe that I would think that everything that happens is because of a neg or demon?" the fact that you seem very quick, on these forums, to blame odd happenings on "negs" before throwing them in the "i don't know what happened" basket. i'm not trying to rebuke you, after all i don't know you and i don't know how you act most of the time, i just saying that you may want to be careful.

the consequences of what happened to me were fairly great indeed: paranoia about what the cause of every little thing was (why did that person just drop her cup? why did that machine turn off just now? why did such and such happen?). i started to think that maybe everything that was happening was somehow done for my benefit or to make me do something (i heard something down that alley! is that God's way of trying to get me to go down that alley way? or to avoid it? or something else?).

eventually the paranoia got to the point where i was actually believing, foolishly, that everything that happened in my life was because God was making it happen PERSONALLY. both the good things and the bad things. however, my focus got caught up in the negative things and eventually i even came to start yelling very bad things at God, eventhough he really wasn't responsible for what was happening in my life.

it was miserable. i don't suggest anyone try it. [|)]

~kakkarot

[Anonymous]

hmm, well, I haven't quite reached that level of paranoia. In fact, I am sure that negs are not surrounding me and trying to ruin my life or anything like that. But I think it's important not to throw away the POSSIBILITY that something might be caused by a neg. The only way to truly find out is to investigate further and find out for oneself the cause behind it. I think it is important to do this sort of investigation, no matter how silly it may seem, to get an idea of the statistical probability of different causes. Not only that, but also the possible consequences of the event must be taken into account. I don't think there's anything wrong with protecting oneself just in case- if the method(s) didn't work, guess what? A neg is probably not to blame for it. I was pretty paranoid for awhile about negs, but I knew that the paranoia would pass once I stopped caring about all the crap that's going on. One thing I have never lost sight of is the consequences of my actions which happen while I am living my life. Those consequences are a lesson which I learn from and that is what keeps me on my path of spiritual advancement. Looking back, I can see where I was foolish, and where I was wise. And I can learn from that. Anyway, my point is, I've learned from my thoughts. What I post may be foolish sometimes, or wise, but either way, the are my thoughts. If I say that something could be caused by a neg, I merely intend for the other person to investigate further and determine for themselves whether it is or isn't being caused by some negative entity. My feeling is, if someone else knows better about the situation, they will post something more helpful and maybe they would explain why it is more helpful. That probably sounds a little naive; I am trying to base this off of my observations of human nature.

[Terry B]

For me, it doesn't matter whether it was night or in broad daylight. When I'm in paralysis state I can see and hear many thing in my room, sensing presence, seeing my friends and family doing stuff, seeing invisible person (actually you can't see invisible person, but what I see are just like trace of energy moving).

Problem is, our own fear can be projected outside and back to us (echo Frank [] ). Perception is in the eye of the beholder. Also Focus 12 state is quite famous for boom, bang, shrieking, image, ripping, creaking and other manner of disruption.

Aside from the girl problem which I can't help []. The thing that I think is most helpful is trying to feel the feeling of love inside you. And when there is that creaking noise or other disruption happen, try to experience this again inside of you and then try to see what happen. Beside, if it was a neg and try to bug you, it already know you're trying to project. IMHo this is more of adweller of a threhold experience or the shadow as Timeless posted.

Just my 2$

[Metal Ice]

Negs don't have that much power. They just hang
around (if you pay attention to them) and
create an environment of fera.[8D]

[Anonymous]

yeah, that's what I figured. It seems to be all they are capable of. but in any case, they do not frighten me. The creaking surprises me, but that's all. It's just annoying because it breaks my concentration. I have to learn to tune it out. I started off with feelings of love, and directed them towards this girl. I have not tried to contact her in the last few days. I need to raise more energy first. I'll try after kung fu today, and I'll also do some qi gong. I find qi gong helps immensely with shielding for some reason. Usually when I go out, I try to put myself in a shield-bubble and radiate feelings of love and compassion for all things. I have come to the belief that there is no real heaven or hell, and that all souls are saveable, even if they have already gone to the "dark side." I realized that without evil, good could not exist. I'll see what I can do tonight and I'll update you all on what happens.

[Anonymous]

I think after tonight I should pay no more attention to the whole situation and if it happens someday then I'll know. I'm just going to let it go because at this point there's probably no reason to pursue it. I haven't met her yet and I think that if it's fate then I'm going to meet her regardless of whether I pay attention to it or not.

[Kenneth]

I don't quiet agree with the statement, that Negs are just "Hanging around" spreading a little fear.

From what I have read and experienced, it is like Bugs and animals in our world. Some are harmless, some are annoying, some do attack but you can just push them away, and some are down right dangerous and life treatening.

My latest experience could be a Neg-attack, but I am not sure?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4339

Some of this fear and other feelings originate from inside of you. We all have different stressful, traumatizing and harmfull situations from we were little, that we have not yet "dared" to face. What to remember in that is, that it is not the actual situation or thoughts around a situation (that we in retrospect often find rather silly, like loosing sight of your parents when you are out shopping), but it is the FEELINGS associated with this event - the STRENGTH of the feelings you felt when you got lost!.

The trick here is, that our EgoDefence thought at the time, that it was TOO strong a feeling to handle for us, so it pushed it down, but NOW we should be able to handle it, but our own defence keeps the lid on it, until we actively seek it out, and face the situation, gets to hear all the involved people in the situation, and (finally) being able to forgive all involved, including our selfes. THAT releases the "image" and the pent up feelings inside of our selfes. It is a "tough and dirty job", but someone has to do it, and that someone is YOU. (Or me when dealing with myself [])

On the other hand there ARE some situations, where I can not seem to "bind" a hidden feeling to an actual situation, but rather it fits with some "cloudy" memories from day-dreams, nightmares etc.

Some of those feelings and urges feels like they don't "belong" to me, even though I find that I have been pretty honest in taking responsebility and action on my pend up feelings, and accociated behavour.

The "force" of those feelings and images can range from a mosquito bite, to being attacked by an angry dog. (Not physically, but emotionally and energetically). I do not hope, that I encounter anything "stronger" than that for the next many years!

I am not sure, if I "believe" in Neg's, but I trust my instincts and my body when it tells me, that there IS something wrong here. Most of the time it is right, and the times is'nt right, it actually points me in the direction of yet another burried and forgotten episode from my past.

So I too keep the possibility open, and try not to be overwhelmed with the actual consequences of the reality that opens up, once you have accepted that Negs exist, in various forms and strengths.

[Metal Ice]

Kenneth,
You are'nt sure that you believe in negs but you
say they can be life threatening? How can you be sure
that they are life threatening if you're not sure they're even there?
Negs can exist where negative people exist. Some cling too strongly
negative auras. There are so many books on Black magic & voodoo
in the stores now. More & more people are getting into this stuff
& don't know what they're doing. They have actual voodoo kits
in the bookstores. It can take on a life of it's own and cause
much harm.
It's like the X-Files, sometimes you don't know what you're dealing
with . In the short run though, you have to live your life & get
rid of the attack as quick as you can . Try to get
rid of the pain (at least for awhile ) til you decide what
to do in the long run.[]

[Anonymous]

I think negs are annoying and demons are life-threatening. I had an encounter with what I thought might have been a lesser demon at one time, though I am not sure. From what I could sense, it was very powerful. But it did not attack me. It seemed like it was going to, and then for some reason changed its mind. At the time, I was really scared but then decided that if I was gonna die that I would at least have my revenge on this thing before I went. I am glad I did not have to fight it. It would have been quite a struggle.

If something is life-threatening, I think it's good to either fight it if you are strong enough, shield yourself from it if you know how, or get help if neither of those methods work, either from another person, through prayer, and/or by items used for this sort of thing.

[Greytraveller]

Any discarnate (negative) entity that consistently 'behaves' in a regular and repeatable manner can, in fact, be defeated, by the vary consistency of its actions. Though this might sound trite and banal it is quite true.
Your 'opponent' EnderWiggin repeatedly annoys, bothers and harasses you with monotonous regularity. That puts that discarnate entity in close contact to you on a regualr basis.
Personally, if I was Certain that a malevolent spirit was going to be in my vicinity then I would be waiting for it with some Very Nasty surprises.
Psiballs, electrical (bioplasm and ectoplasm) energy, offensive energy 'programmed' from crystal stones, a specially created and programmed thought elemental and (defensive) wall of force are just some of the 'weapons' that I could use on such an energy.
Sometimes it does pay to be a hardcase, get mean and try to inflict severe damage on an opponent. After saying; 'Enough is enough', with enough violence and energy Then you will be left alone.[!][B)][8D]

[Anonymous]

Ah, like the old saying... "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies... closer."

[Anonymous]

I have a question- Do negs send good images to people to make them think something good is going to happen to them in the future? I had an image yesterday, while I was walking, of the person who I think may be my soulmate. It happened for no apparant reason. I tried to astral-project yesterday when I went to bed and actually managed to get out, but I got freaked out only 6 inches away from my body and was pulled back in. I think I got freaked out because I sensed a presence of a neg. Every night I notice that whenever I try to do some energy work or astral project, some damn neg comes along and makes something creak, like my desk behind me and it breaks my concentration. I get ticked off at it and threaten to attack it. College must be full of negs. Anyway, while I was "out (for so brief a time)," The person that I think is my soulmate started to say something but I didn't get to hear what she said because I realized I was out and something (a neg?) distracted me. Her image has not left my mind all day and I think I feel a connection to her. Now what? I guess I should go about this with a Zen attitude. If it happens, it happens, and if it doesn't, it doesn't. I've had a dream before in which my prom date asked me out and the next day she did. But I've also had visions that got my hopes up and then when they didn't happen I was disappointed. So, I am hoping that I will meet this person soon (I get the feeling they are alive and on earth), but I don't want to get my hopes up. Any advice you can give me to find out if this was something sent by a neg or if it is real?