Child Abuse & Negs

[Mystic Cloud]

I tend to think that negs can use these traumas
like control buttons on you. It is a quick way to create
a specific feeling by pressing on a memory like this.

Also the thing about becoming an abuser yourself is probably
linked to the fact that you haven't dealt with the problem
and it starts 'haunting' you until you deal with it.

But I think worst thing in this is that if you are abused
your heart gets literally f****d up and it is very hard to
find love. It just feels like you are stone cold and have no heart,
like a robot. Lived like this most of my life, it has now started getting better though. Started aching in the heart centre when
I wrote this [|)]

Anyway I still tend to get 'pressed' on this button and then
my feelings just vanishes and I feel stone cold. Though it
tends to not happen when I keep my defenses up.

[boydster]

McArthur,

I strongly agree with you on this. I believe it is exceedingly rare to find an abuse situation which is NOT induced/influenced by negs.

Especially your premise of negs hopping from generation to generation within a family. I know this to happen in fact.

I want to also point out that it does avail much to set aside some time each day to pray earnestly for the removal of these negs from the earth. Angels take up the energy and your consent encapsulated in your prayer and they go forth and remove entities from people, situations and ultimately from our earth. Obviously one prayer doesn't clear the earth completely--but there is an increment of good done which is worth the effort. I've done this. I've watched it happen. It's real.

Thanks for starting this thread. It's something that I'm personally very passionate about.

[techno_fantasyix]

Hello everyone,

    It's very interesting that you mentioned this topic, because as an abuse victim myself I can testify to your hypothesis connecting abuse with negative entities.
    Mine was basically emotional abuse, and went on from the time I was a rather young child (by my mother via emotional games) until I was 12, from classmates.
    By that age it had gotten so bad that me, beforehand a mentally healthy girl, had resorted to anorexia, drug abuse, and self mutilation..I also had disassociation and a lot of post traumatic stress.
    I also noticed that I started to hear abusive voices in my head after leaving the situation and I couldn't get rid of it, so I tried to ignore them.
    Not too long ago I felt like I was being "followed" around by someone, so I talked to a friend about out. He removed a male entity from me that I could sort of hear in a corner of my mind speaking to me, this one wasnt particularly BAD, though. A rather new, confused entity.
    The one who spoke to me I tried (I'm supposing successfully) to evict.That voice hasnt been back since.
    Also when I was young I would notice that people (children) would either A.Stare at me and get very quiet, or B. attack me incessantly for no reason whatsoever.I moved from one place to another and this always happened, even though I tried to be nice to everyone.

[techno_fantasyix]

Lately I was in a very depressed way, so I went online to speak to some of my friends. This is what happened:
    SEVERAL of them that are normally really friendly were trying to edge me into suicide.Afterwards when a good friend of mine asked about the situation, one said he didnt know what had happened and thought maybe it was a joke that got out of control.
    I've been online a long time and I've never had anything like that happen before...Either i'm not very good at sizing up personalities or something unexpected occured, which made me wonder if there is an entity interference, if they want to destroy me for some reason.
    But why me? How am I a threat to them?

[techno_fantasyix]

Oddly enough, instead of becoming an abuser, it had the exact opposite effect on me, I hardly ever kill bugs and I have a really hard time eating meat, if I didn't have specific blood illnesses Iwould forgo it entirely (and I sometimes go a very long time without eating it already.)
   I've also been attacked by MANY spirits, and instead of making me more fearful, in a way, I think the experiences are starting to beat the fear out of me.
   I hope I'm not sounding too whiny - thank you for listening.

[Nita]

Hello Macarthur
It is not only child abuse although that is the hardest to overcome. It is abuse during any period of life. I sometimes feel that the abusers are actually taken over by things to make them do this at times.
  Negs will hook to any of these bad moments because it makes it so the person is more susceptible to blaming themselves for what happens.The reason for this is guilt and self-image the person feels unworthy and that everyone reacts to them for a reason. They then accept blame for things just to not be reminded of the pain they have suffered.
  It is miserable to live that way and the only things that helps is loving your self and seeing yourself as a lovable person. It is not easy either.
     Nita

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by McArthur
There is evidence to suggest, as much as i don't like saying this, that some abuse victims turn out to be abusers themselves.

I want to stress here that in a large majority of cases this may not be true, but that it does happen. The reason i didn't like saying it is because abuse victims have already suffered enough without being somehow connected to further abuse in some psychological circles. It's a sensitive subject.

One of the reasons i have been led to research this is because i have come into contact with so many abuse victims it is beyond coincidental. I am not a psychologist or social worker, but i seem to meet friends both online and off who eventually tell me about their childhood abuse. One particular young woman had never told anybody until telling me.

Amongst the ones i have met there does seem to be various kinds of neg interference (i rarely tell them about my interest in this area of metaphysics though, so as not to scare them.) One of these abuse victims, after telling me about what happened, had a very disturbing dream where her brother-in-law (the abuser) appeared to her in a dream/nightmare threatening her and saying "You shouldn't have told anyone" etc. Now this could be a normal psychological reaction (i told her at the time that unless she was seeing a proper therapist then it might be best we do not muddy the waters and talk too in-depth about it) but she has also had neg-related activity that i recognise. i.e. She also was laying in bed at another time and could feel her mattress moving as though there was someone in bed with her. And her daughter was abused by her babysitters' husband when she was very young with the abuser dying of a heart attack a few weeks after they found out. Plus her daughter was raped again when she was older. This daughter also had cervical cancer. Her husband died young of heart problems. All of which i believe to be related to a neg/negs hanging around this household.

Another abuse victim i know of has had 'ghost' activity in her house with more than one person seeing the ghosts there. As well as pains in legs and other areas that seem to ease when she uses her hot tub (a shower or hot tub being one of the main ways of stopping a neg attack.)

Yet another friend, who was raped when he was nine and also mentally abused by his mother from a young age also seems to have an attached neg causing him to be a kind of psychic vampire without him even knowing, amongst other things.

I am also wondering about how it is suggested that negs somehow feed from the energy given off by freshly spilt blood because a couple of these abuse victims have scars from where they have cut their wrists on numerous occasions.

I'll add more when i think of it. Oh! There is an interesting account of how a modern magician named Lon Milo DuQuette helps to exorcise a neg from a child abuse victim in his book "My Life with the Spirits". I no longer have the book or i would type it out, i'll see if i can find it online.

[Nay]

Do you realize you just quoted yourself? []  I'm sorry but that tickled me...[]

There comes a time in a persons life when they need to embrace what ever lesson(s) they'd learned while in times of trauma.  A time for forgiving will need to happen as well.  You would be surprised how  doing that will help the negative dreams and feelings start to fade.

Nay

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Do you realize you just quoted yourself? []  I'm sorry but that tickled me

Yes i know i was quoting myself. I did it because i wanted to comment on what i said.

quote:
There comes a time in a persons life when they need to embrace what ever lesson(s) they'd learned while in times of trauma.

OK, please could you give examples of what young children may be able to learn from being sexually abused? Are you suggesting that children somehow spiritualy choose to be abused so as to learn some kind of lesson? After all, we create our own reality right?

[Nay]

quote:OK, please could you give examples of what young children may be able to learn from being sexually abused? Are you suggesting that children somehow spiritualy choose to be abused so as to learn some kind of lesson? After all, we create our own reality right?

In my opinion and when I say that I mean, MY beliefs, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.... so lets not get into a, my beliefs are the right ones.[]

Anyhoo, I believe I did choose the family I was born into along with all of my situations.  I think that for some situations, even if you're the victim at the time, the lesson is for the abuser to learn.  

So, call it helping out a soul that you really know on the otherside that needs your help with some karma,(don't freak out with the use of that word..lol)  

Once you realize that they are a friend on another plane of existence, and we are just helping each other out, it's easier to accept and forgive.  And being able to let go of horrible acts, well...not forget, just don't dwell on....life will get better.[^]

Nay

[need]

I'd like to express some ideas probably not well thought out but in noway unsympathetic or uncaring of the topic in hand. These traumas need healing but often we don't know what needs to change until the pain gets too much, once the damage has happened, it can't be undone, I think this leaves unwholesome patterns within the entire person which then replicates itself in other aspects of their life,even though it wouldn't seem it , there is this really bizarre way in which we are forced to co-operate with what ever is making bad things like this happen to us.It can only change once the imperfect construction is replaced but still the damage has been done.

There are different bands of energy, we're all kind of split inside ourselves this is why we do things without thinking,  out of curiosity, without commonsense foresight of the outcome of our actions.One level of us wants to go forward but the other half does everything to stop us,this is why some people do things which harm themselves and others,against the better part of themselves.

Abuse beats us down, oppresses and depresses. A major part of the outcome of abuse is devitalization which does not allow us to recover our energy and move out of negative patterns or to even suspect how it is happening to us.But the pain and devitalization forces us to find a better painless way out of trouble.A very difficult challenge.

Does anyone think that childhood itself is somehow an abuse of the human individual and that we are both damaged and nurtured from it out of naivety, inexperience and being innocent.It is sad when children are abused but even more sad that adults are abused ..why..because it shows that we are somehow blind to be able to see the construct of the problem or to even develop a solution to hidden situations,being mentally restricted and unknowledgeble leaves us open to abuse.

Abuse is so common because unlike what the world wants us to beleive the entire world is actually caught up in conflict,provocation and reciprocated attacks ,unknowing, and unconscious harm leading to conscious evidence of harm, this is what life is for human beings.When does a smile turn into a snarl,when does a grin hide a scowl.Abnormality and the going wrong of the natural course of growth is so appparent everywhere we look.This is what allows it to happen. The reason why abuse is so common in all it's different forms is because the underlying enrgy situation is not clearly apparent  but in control ,but the physical world seems clear but is in fact influenced by the underlying energy but...we're not able to see this.There is an actual underlying construction of energy under the surface of life , a channel for wrong and unpleasant events to occur even though we can't see it and do not know what will happen. We seem to be pawns of fate.

I've met a few rape victims in my life and they seemed so well adjusted, it wouldn't be possible to believe it happened to them who knows how they deal with there pain, but even less looked at ..is where is the pain coming from for people who have everything one could wish for in life ,and are still not happy and still searching to the point of committing suicide to end that search and be done with it.Despite being alive there is also this unconscious death urge which can actually be ruling our lives and messing life up for us while we're busy thinking that we are rationally trying to make the best of out lives, it's not true, that's the problem that we do not have the eyes to see and no-one in the world will teach.

The new age in it's present form is incapable of telling the truth in a palatable fashion , too fragmented and far from being a genuine new age, let's hope the "new age" will  " evolve" into something better, meanwhile the answers will only be found by those who look between the lines than the lines themselves.

Sorry this post took so long

[Nay]

I enjoyed your post.  For the most part I understood all of what you were saying.[^]

I think you're saying the same thing I am, but in alot more words and I'm confused by the "new age" comments, I really don't get those.  I read alot of the terms on the forums and frankly (wish he would come back []) I don't get alot of them.  Am I considered one, a new ager that is?

Nay

[McArthur]

I am having difficulty thinking of words to start this thread so i will write what comes and see if a discussion ensues that may shed more light on the subject. I will add more as it comes to me. I will start by listing a few things that i know about negs, some of which agrees with other sources such as RB's work.

Negs use various ways to attack, crack open, attach to, influence or possess humans. The most widely agreed-upon ones being fear, sex, guilt and trauma. These also (especially trauma) lead onto Core Images that negs use to dig deeper into the mind of their victims.

Surely it is no coincidence that child abuse regularly includes ALL of the above i have mentioned?

Fear: Fear of being killed by the rapist. Fear that the abuser will tell others saying s/he was enticed (which connects to guilt). In a religious setting, Fear of God, perhaps (also  connects with guilt). Fear of it happening again. There's probably a bigger list, add on thoughts of other examples if you think of any. (One child abuse victim has told me she was told at the time that if she told anyone, then no-one would love her anymore and she would be in a lot of trouble. She was 5 years old. It wasn't until she was in her mid 20's that she told anyone through fear of not being loved or blamed somehow.)

Sex: This is obvious. But the combination of sex and fear would seem to strengthen the effect, though. Also, perhaps, rape effects the base chakra as well as breaking one open psychologically and psychically.

Guilt: Child abuse victims tend to have a lot of guilt even though they have nothing to be guilty about. This is for several reasons. Their abuser uses psychological abuse to make them think they are partly responsible for the actions of the abuser. Also it is not unheard of for abuse victims to have orgasms while being raped....(i will comment more on this later), leading them to believe that because of that they must have somehow "enjoyed it." And abusers saying things like "You know you wanted it, and you know you enjoyed it." Guilt would especially be used in a religious setting.

Trauma: Of course being raped is traumatic for a young mind, or any age for that matter. Trauma is also a prime target with negs connecting to Core Images of the abuse. Sometimes with the amnesia involved in the abuse making it very difficult to find these Core Images, which obviously makes things easier for negs. Abuse victims undergoing Therapy for this often find the recovering of memories  too traumatic to continue with the therapy, often becoming extremely ill with no apparent physical cause. I suggest this is connected to neg influence not wanting the Core Images being found. A very efficient form of mind control.

I suggest that child rape is used by negs not because of the sexual nature of it but because it would seem to be an easier way for them to take control of a human mind while it is still young and because it includes all the above-mentioned factors. Connected to this are the many reports of Mind-Control victims.

There is evidence to suggest, as much as i don't like saying this, that some abuse victims turn out to be abusers themselves. I suggest this is because the negs responsible for their abuse are the same negs influencing them as adults to abuse others. The negs have managed to attach themselves onto the victims of abuse and go on to influence the victims to create more victims causing a kind of chain-reaction creating future victims for these negs to attach to.

There is really a whole lot more to add to this but i think that is enough for the first post.