Depression

[G3MM4]

I wondered if depression is just a medical problem - a disease of the mind, or could it be linked to neg problems as well? What are your thoughts?

[CaCoDeMoN]

Depression is not a disease of mind. It is caused by persons not controlling their thoughts, and having negative thoughts. When thoughts are stopped, depression stops. Of course they are often caused by the negs, but depression is a product of mind. I've had extreme depression problems, and I can say, that removing negs won't help. You need also to learn to control and observe your thoughts. Vipassana meditation would be good for this. All the self-hate thought patterns should be stopped as fast as they can be.

[G3MM4]

Yes, the negative thoughts do need to stop, but it is not easy at all, since a lot of them are "external".

[CaCoDeMoN]

Even if thoughs are external, they can only exist if you let them to. If you learn to notice them before they reach into the conscious mind, you can stop them, and don't give energy to negs.

[Rastus]

I beat my depression through Metaphysics.  Depression is a symptom.

[narfellus]

I agree that it's a symptom. Sort of like pain, it's also a warning that something needs to be fixed/addressed. Popping pills for both pain and depression is a bandaid, it doesn't address the underlying damage for full healing.

[SpectralDragon]

I beat my depression through introspection. Kinda kicks your butt at first but it's the best way in my opinion.

[You]

I haven't beat mine, but I find caffeine, cartoons, pets, and talking nicely to people you haven't talked to in a while helps get your mind off of how much your life sucks and you have no future at the moment... oh god my brain... I'm sad again... but I am able to get watery eyes more often so it's awesome!

I assume negative attachments and stuff can cause depression, but yes, it's most often just psychological. Improve life, or improve perception of mind, or shield/push down emotions, and it goes away (not forever though)

[McArthur]

All the self-hate thought patterns should be stopped as fast as they can be.

The following is taken from:

http://www.hermetic.com/heidrick/abramel.html

KITTY JUST ATE THE NEIGHBOR'S DOG

It's possible to make a mistake and pick the wrong spirit, instead of the Holy Guardian Angel. The H.G.A. is something that you can release yourself to completely and still end up being the same individual you were in the beginning. People tend to get a little weird doing a magical retirement, so it's a good idea to keep a diary. With a diary, you can read old entries and figure out how you got to where you are now. If necessary, you can go back again. My favorite test is to take a break once in a while and go into a Safeway or something like that. If you can stand it, you're still sane. That's the definition of sanity in this culture, able to take care of the minimum. Being able to endure a supermarket long enough to harmlessly obtain food is pretty minimal. There is a thing called a lemure or Larva. You can attract a hungry spirit, usually a wandering Nephesh, something that is dependent on somebody else to stay around. You're "it"; you've volunteered as life-support. Such a spirit is willing to pretend to be anything in order to keep on sucking. That's not the H.G.A. That's just a trap that people fall into, because they have been told that's all there is. The majority of those cases are what the Romans would call lemures or larvae, the Tibetans hungry ghosts, and the Hassids Dibukim. Such spirits need attention to live. It is just like a failed relationship with a mate. If that other person is dependent on you for shelter and food or for some important but less tangible thing, they'll do anything up to the limits of their nature to keep you the way you are. If you want them to be something, they will turn into it. If you are angry, you will tend to evoke greater anger from them, resulting in passive reaction on your part. The partner in such a dysfunctional relationship may realize: "if this guy gets out of hand, all I have to do is yell at him. All I have to do is hit 'em once and 'es just as quiet as anything." People will usually do the things that get them what they want. Not every one, sometimes people are remarkably stuck in one track. These are lesser spirits, whatever you want to call them, hungry ghosts, vampires... that's what the word "vampire" really meant. It was a member of the family who hung around after he died, as long as you gave him useful things to do that weren't too difficult. Vampires aren't always considered to be monsters who make life terrible for you; they can be good to have around. They chase off peddlers, robbers, whatnot. When a stranger comes to the house, the vampire will feel very protective of the family. A "vampire" will pick up on it if a person doesn't like them: "O'h, 'don't like' means I get attention!" Then they will proceed to do more irritating things to that person. Keeping peace with the spirits of the ancestors is very important in cultures around the world. The Romans called the friendly ancestral spirits Lares and the pesky ones Larvae. You want Great Grand Mother's ghost to bark at strangers, not at reasonably behaved family members. This kind of thing isn't the Holy Guardian Angel. This kind of thing is what happens when something eats off of you. A certain amount of this is harmless, but you want to make sure that you are in charge. In some states of mind people leak like a sieve. A lot of life is being generated, not being used by the person generating it, and it's there for the taking. Something comes and says: "This is lunch. How do we make this a 24 hour diner? Very simple. Every time this person thinks; 'O'h God if I haven't ...!', he turns loose all this energy. So, let's see: 'Hay! God I haven't!' or 'Why did I do that!' -- that's a new one. That tastes better. 'Your such a bummer' -- works too. Hot d*mn! 'You hate hating yourself, don't you!' More food!". If you ever get really depressed, between sobs, wrenches and tremors, pick up on what you are saying to yourself. Maybe it isn't you talking. Maybe it's some astral clown saying: "Watch him go!" This kind of thing is often marked by painful ideas that relay back inwardly to create more painful ideas. In order to get rid of a depression feedback loop, you've got to realize that this isn't you. The destructive voice is not really rational. Jokes and humorous self-observations, the more tasteless and jolting the better, will break this sort of cycle. If you get that kind of thing going, realize it isn't the Holy Guardian Angel. That is a wrong turn. Go back and try again. That is a demon, and that is one of the things that the Holy Guardian Angel is supposed to help you with. It's probably a very stupid demon, who is only good at picking up on things to say.

[G3MM4]

I used to pop pills, but not anymore, since they don't cure the root problem.

Maybe negs/attachments are more attracted to depressed people?

push down emotions

I wouldn't do that, as I think it would cause more problems than it solves.

[Andromache]

or shield/push down emotions, and it goes away (not forever though)

That is not healthy at all. You have to move through your emotions to get through stuff. Shoving them down is like an alcoholic saying he doesn't have a problem. And the problems always come back, usually worse than before...you push them down, you don't deal with them and you fail to LEARN how to deal with them, and then you're worse off than before.

G3MM4, Robert Bruce does talk about negs inflicting depression in his book and even mentions a story about a Scottish Man whose son committed suicide suddenly by jumping off the top of a tall monument. The Scotsman went to the top of the monument to try to get a perspective of why his son would do such a thing when he was suddenly and ferociously attacked.

Depression is not always about you, especially when the thoughts are not yours.

[You]

I didn't say it was a healthy way of curing depression now did I? That's why I mentioned it last, and I did say reoccurring, so there's no need to say it again.

One might be told which way is best, but have their reasons for picking a bad path. Not good reasons, but ones anyway.

[Logic]

Depression is not a disease of mind. It is caused by persons not controlling their thoughts, and having negative thoughts. When thoughts are stopped, depression stops. Of course they are often caused by the negs, but depression is a product of mind. I've had extreme depression problems, and I can say, that removing negs won't help. You need also to learn to control and observe your thoughts. Vipassana meditation would be good for this. All the self-hate thought patterns should be stopped as fast as they can be.

Not true. Depression may also be caused by things other than just cognative patterns, chemical imbalances can easily effect a persons state of mind and cause the most sever types of depression.

Many things can cause depression, the more causes, the more complex the depression is.

[You]

If you get right down to it, you can likely define any kind of emotion or thought as a chemical or synaptic imbalance. Perhaps it's true, but I don't care, I simply don't like it.

If you're low on a chemical, then I agree, no matter what you do, you're not likely to get it, so people with Parkinson's need help.

If you're imbalanced, then you must adapt. You shouldn't need to be on a drug to be able to concentrate on something. If we don't, we are on the slippery slope to curing every negative thought and causing every positive thought with a pill, and not through our minds and experiences with the world and others.

[Logic]

You're right, Some things can be fixed with a lot of time and effort, but some things cant and when the persons biology is the cause then thats when medication and perscription drugs are necessary to regulate the person.

[narfellus]

All the self-hate thought patterns should be stopped as fast as they can be.

The following is taken from:

http://www.hermetic.com/heidrick/abramel.html

KITTY JUST ATE THE NEIGHBOR'S DOG

Good article, McArthur. I think i've read it before. I actually try to save everything i find online into word documents and burn them to CD. I have a little library of free occult advice now!

Most people have no clue the amount of astral entities that envelope us. I wouldn't have believed it myself not too long ago. But it's almost beautiful the way the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle of life and beyond fit together. What is "supernatural" or unexplainable actually DOES have a rationale explantion, we just have to expand our horizons.

A question though: how would one define a "larvae" exactly? What is there purpose? Just a basic piece of spiritual essence that needs to develop?

[sashamasha]

great article.  it makes a lot os sense to me, and explains why in fighting depression I always felt both perfectly fine AND awful, and often wondered why anything was wrong at all.  It also explains the extreme vaccuum-like pull towards being negative when I was in that mode.  It also explains to me why the energy I give off now attracts such positive energy, and continues to grow in positive ways and consequently continues to attract more light.  Like seeks like; wow I just totally got that.  thanks, McArthur!

[McArthur]

If you get right down to it, you can likely define any kind of emotion or thought as a chemical or synaptic imbalance. Perhaps it's true, but I don't care, I simply don't like it.

If you're low on a chemical, then I agree, no matter what you do, you're not likely to get it, so people with Parkinson's need help.

Brain chemistry is something I am researching alongside what I am finding out about Negs and EM fields (see THIS THREAD where I am going into more detail about Em fields and negs).

Diagnosing an Imbalance in brain chemistry is diagnosing the effect rather than the cause. Taking medication to correct the imbalance is only a band-aid and people have to take them constantly precisely because it is only healing the effect and not the cause.  What causes the chemical imbalances? Well, I have a theory about that...
LINK

It has been known for quite a while that E-M (electro-magnetic) fields
can effect biological mechanisms & controls.

More in the other thread.

[McArthur]

A question though: how would one define a "larvae" exactly? What is there purpose? Just a basic piece of spiritual essence that needs to develop?

Well, I think different people define them in slightly different ways. Here's one knowledgable example:

Entity Possession

There's an informative FAQ there too.

[Badwuv]

Narfellus-
A larvae is a type of neg.  To begin with, they aren't very intelligent and they just eat.  Usually, they feed off of the "decaying" etheric bodies of people who have died (so they are commonly found in graveyards that have regular new graves).  However, a larvae can attach itslef to a living person that has an injury or illness and make them worse, which is why hospitals and nursing homes can sometimes be counterproductive to a person's health (because there are larvae there).  Larvae are the sort of things that are necessary in the right place and harmful in any other.

Back to the topic. I too suffered from depression.  I'm prettymuch over it now, but I think the key is that it's not a clear cut case of negs or self-defeating thought.  I grew up in a house that was haunted by three very angry ghosts. (one had killed the other two and then committed suicide-it's a long story about how I know this, that's for another time).  The three ghosts attracted a multitude of negs.  So not only were there ghosts, but negs also.  This had an extremely negative effect on me, but I only became truly and dangerously depressed when I was upset about my own life and began to think sad thoughts.  Long story short, we moved, the negs followed me, I got fed up and focused my energy on kicking the crap out of them, which I did, thoroughly.  That, combined with about a year of introspective thought (as Spectral Dragon called it) everyday, cured me of my depression.
I think the key to this is to not be idle.  You can type all you want, but you actually have to work actively at curing your depression.  It's not something that can be set aside for ten minutes a day, it's a 24/7 fight.  I suggest trying to find the root of your internal negative thoughts, understand where they're coming from, and if you can't do anything about it, try to have a different attitude.  I'll paraphraze something C.G. Jung said, which is in order to overcome one's fears and sadness he must find the cause of it and live the sadness, fear, and anxiety to the fullest.

And about the external thoughts. Shielding, energy work, and spiritual cleansing can do a lot.
Good luck
-Badwuv

[narfellus]

Thanks Badwuv.

[You]

You're right, Some things can be fixed with a lot of time and effort, but some things cant and when the persons biology is the cause then thats when medication and perscription drugs are necessary to regulate the person.

Why can't they? If you subscribe to the idea that biology is the cause of everything, then it is natural, and shouldn't be tampered with, but solved personally. If you subscribe to the idea that it isn't, then you can find a spiritual solution.

Either way, drugs are not the long term solution.

[Badwuv]

But Tyciol... biology is not always ideal, so then if depression is caused by a chemical imbalance, would not pills used to supplement a person solving the problem themselves, through their thoughts, be helpful? (Long sentence) Doesn't tylenol help with a fever?  Unless you have extensive control over your body, you can't bring down a fever through choice, you need medecine.  Same idea.

[You]

You bear the fever. I only use Tylenol if my mom nags me repetitively, thus heightening the headache until I take it to stop the headache more through appeasement than chemical reliance.

There are many natural ways of relieving headaches, who needs a pill?

[Logic]

Like Badwuv said, not everyone is so in touch with their bodies to be able to heal themselves as such. The point here isnt that drugs and medicine magically fix everything; yes, people can become dependant on them and thats bad, but for some people it might be the only option and it is possible to take safe dosages in moderation to start the healing process.