It's one of the most helpful forums! And some people really need the PSD forum. But, really Rhinegirl, I don't think a forum would be shut down just because one person wants it to be, so there's not much to worry about.[;)]
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
I instead offer this place to ask why shouldn't it be shut down.
Please feel free to use as many words as you need to.
I have made several recent comments advocating that a forum requires a wide range of viewpoints in order to avoid the problems of closed group mindsets that usually end up strangling themselves [:)]
However there needs to be space for this to take place and currently this looks to be difficult.
So tell us Rhinegirl, where are you coming from and what are your objectives and role in the PSD arena? Obviously use another topic if desired.
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In several threads DK has suggested that PSD be shut down. I feel she is doing this for several reasons. So while I could go on for pages as to what's wrong with DK's logic and even more pages in regards to her.
I instead offer this place to ask why shouldn't it be shut down.
Please feel free to use as many words as you need to.
reasons I can think of are...
#1. it's entertaining.
#2. there are several posters here who are worthlistening to and conversing with despite disagreements, such as Kia, James, and Ender.
#3. There are people who need help in regards to psychic protection.
#4. To close this forum down to satisfy one persons manic whims woul be foolish and just plain wrong.
Jessica
Weren't you the same person that wrote this:
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Originally posted by SpectralDragon
One last thing, if you mods don't start following your own advice more people are going to quite the forums. It's not good karma to not practice what you preach.
Delete this and threaten me because I am right if you want, this must stop on ALL SIDES, INCLUDING THE SIDE OF THE MODERATORS.
I think Karma is bullcrap. I beleive that the westernized version of karma is twisted beyond recognition by new agers who have no concept of what Karma means to the eastern traditions.
We may delete it and threaten you because you might be *shudder* WRONG*shudder*
This place is messed up because there's very few original thinkers on this forum. It's turned into yesmen and catfights. perhaps the people who quit will be the ones not wanted, sadly enough most of the people worth hearing have left. Cracked santa is gone, ender rarely posts. DK seems to have a massive following of yesmen and anyone who disagrees with her gets shouted down and insulted.
Jessica
#1 People under Psychic Attack are not Entertainment
#2 Wasn't it Ender who suggested you had members of the brotherhood influencing you
#3 I don't see people getting help, I see people under attack being used as fodder for people who want to boast of prowess.
Shut down PSD Forum, (MacArthur's right, and no I haven't spoken to him recently.)
I tried to understand you Dark Knight, but i just don't get you at all!
You came to this forum and got help, but now you want to shut it down?
As why to leave it open, because it's clearly needed.
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Originally posted by Mick
So tell us Rhinegirl, where are you coming from and what are your objectives and role in the PSD arena? Obviously use another topic if desired.
I have found a great deal of useful and relevant information in previous posts and other various aspects of this site. There were bits and peices that I was able to take and use for my own purposes in helping myself and others.
Jessica
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Originally posted by Dark Knight
#1 People under Psychic Attack are not Entertainment
#2 Wasn't it Ender who suggested you had members of the brotherhood influencing you
#3 I don't see people getting help, I see people under attack being used as fodder for people who want to boast of prowess.
Shut down PSD Forum, (MacArthur's right, and no I haven't spoken to him recently.)
#1. Part of teh entertainment comes from what people say here.
#2. Yes but Ender is more credible than you are and I still think you are being influenced by negs.
#3. Take the focus off yourself and look at others.
"shut down PSD Forum" and replace it with what? the DK's issues forum (which is what this place is turning into)
Jessica
Akensai
There are other forums elsewhere that can provide the necessary stability people under attack need, minus the finger pointing and the demand for explanations every time support is asked for.
Got links? [:)]
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
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I have found a great deal of useful and relevant information in previous posts and other various aspects of this site. There were bits and peices that I was able to take and use for my own purposes in helping myself and others.
Jessica
Agreed, you have posted some stuff giving clues to how you work and as a result my interest is in hearing more about your approach. [?]
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Originally posted by Mick
Jessica,
Agreed, you have posted some stuff giving clues to how you work and as a result my interest is in hearing more about your approach. [?]
Mick has potentially figured out how I work? Hmmmm....I'm intrigued.
How do I work?[}:)][:P]
Jessica
well, if people have a problem with "finger pointing" and personal attacks and what not, don't do it and don't do it in retaliation either.
and i say that these forums should absolutely NOT be shut down. people are getting help and great discussions go on as well, eventhough other people clutter this place with nonsense.
as well, some of the greatest topics over all the internet sites i've ever visited are here in this forum (go to the very earliest posts in this forum and start reading from there). the energy forum also had some great posts in it (and i'm kicking myself for not having copied them to my harddrive before it was removed [xx(]) but sadly i do understand why it needed to be shut down.
this sub-forum has not come to that same state and i absolutely hope it never does.
and on one final note: explainations are not always a bad thing dk. sometimes a question must be asked of someone to get that someone to think in ways that they did not before, to get them to understand their situation from another perspective than just the one they currently see it as. useless arguing over minor details certainly isn't good, but asking for clarification or further details of a situation is good.
~kakkarot
Kakkarot,
If the purpose in questioning is to get a clearer understanding of a person's situation, then yes I agree.
If not...
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Originally posted by Dark Knight
Akensai
There are other forums elsewhere that can provide the necessary stability people under attack need, minus the finger pointing and the demand for explanations every time support is asked for.
What are you still doing here then?
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Originally posted by Akensai
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Originally posted by Dark Knight
Akensai
There are other forums elsewhere that can provide the necessary stability people under attack need, minus the finger pointing and the demand for explanations every time support is asked for.
What are you still doing here then?
OH GAWWWD!!!! I wanted to ask that so badly but restrained myself!!!!! I'm glad someone FINALLY said it!!![}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
Jessica
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OH GAWWWD!!!! I wanted to ask that so badly but restrained myself!!!!! I'm glad someone FINALLY said it!!!
Akensai
Because I wouldn't leave people under attack alone to have to put up with THAT...
I remember what it felt like to be under attack and have absolutely no hope. Do you remember the former forum member I was talking about who was suicidal?
No one deserves to be on the receiving end of this kind of behavior.
Dark Knight,
Then stop this negative talking of yours and do your thing, help people and please stop creating this whirlpool of negativity around you.
Akensai,
I stopped posting for a while yesterday...who was doing all the posting?
It can't be done here anymore, Akensai, there is no respect...there's only boasting of conquest.
But in the same respect I won't leave people under attack to deal with this alone. So I'll just wait.
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It can't be done here anymore, Akensai, there is no respect...there's only boasting of conquest.
I'm I hearing you say here; "because other people are negative I'm doing it too"?
I've always thought your post had despair written all over them, maybe at one time this was justified, but even now? Couldn't you just stop that, maybe things would change, oh, but wait you have already given up!
Things are not that bad, but drowning in your negative view of things you won't see this, let alone work to change whatever is wrong.
Perhaps for you it's better to just leave it alone.
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I've always thought your post had despair written all over them
It doesn't have to be despair...it's only despair because most people can't envision living that way even for a few days never mind 6 years. Did surviving this far count for anything? Did the fact that someone intervened to break me free last year count for anything? Why is despair to be alive?
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Originally posted by Dark Knight
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I've always thought your post had despair written all over them
It doesn't have to be despair...it's only despair because most people can't envision living that way even for a few days never mind 6 years. Did surviving this far count for anything? Did the fact that someone intervened to break me free last year count for anything? Why is despair to be alive?
It means something, I'm sure it does to many people, but your not helping things by holding on to your negative view on the things happening here, to break the cycle you have to start whit yourself!
I think this whole "shutting down the PSD Forum" started when James stated;
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Can we please get back to posting on the subjects of the topics and stop these petty squabbles. If not, this PSD forum, valuable or not, will be shut down just like the energy sub forum was shut down because of ongoing arguments among DBZ followers. Arguments like these are damaging the entire AstralPulse forum and there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR IT!
As he was posting as a moderator i took this to mean the Mods would consider shutting this forum down. Hence my reply in that thread. I have already started building a Psychic Self-Defense Forum myself where perhaps people may be able to talk about this subject in a more supportive atmosphere. Perhaps it wont be needed but its there if it is, once finished.
"negative view", "being negative" ... I think part of the atmosphere now in this forum is due to the different understandings of what this means.
Terms such as "negative" and "positive" get used way to much in these discussions, to the point where they become ridicolous. An approach or attitude that seems negative to others could be perfectly rational at the time for the one who carries it.
Besides, the term negative, as generally used in new age lingo, irritates the hell out of me. Every time I see it used I get an image in my head of a bunch of hippies running away in fear shouting "NOO!!! Negativity! My spirituality is eroding!! ERROOOODDDDIIINNNG!!!
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Originally posted by Dark Knight
Because I wouldn't leave people under attack alone to have to put up with THAT...
No one deserves to be on the receiving end of this kind of behavior.
DK I can be quite cordial to people who are not like me. Let me explain. When I was younger I was alot like you, I whined and moaned constantly. I was a little b***h to everyone around me because I was always dumping my problems on them and couldn't understand why no one wanted to be around me.
I finally had to GROW UP!! once I grew up I stop blaming everyone else for my garbage and dealt with my garbage. And when someone genuinely is the cause of my problem I defend myself quickly and SOLVE IT! I don't painfully drag it out so that others are exposed to the pain and suffering.[:(][:(][:(]
Your file says yer 31. How have you been this immature and survived for so long? Much less gotten a degree from a university.
And now I'm being just as negative as you are[:(!][:(!][:(!]
UGH!!!![:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Jessica
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Originally posted by LordoftheBunnies
Besides, the term negative, as generally used in new age lingo, irritates the hell out of me. Every time I see it used I get an image in my head of a bunch of hippies running away in fear shouting "NOO!!! Negativity! My spirituality is eroding!! ERROOOODDDDIIINNNG!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:P][:D][:P][:D][:P][:P][:P]
Jessica
rhinegirl,
You say you find this psd stuff entertaining.
How entertaining would you find it if you were attacked by negatives?
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT?
This entire site has become a sh*thole. This is why a lot of good people are leaving or they do not bother to post here anymore.
This site has become a sh*thole because of people who pretend to need help or the other idiots who pretend to channel entities. That is only the tip of the iceberg as to why this place is crap.
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Originally posted by Ken
rhinegirl,
How entertaining would you find it if you were attacked by negatives?
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT?
I deal with my negs. I ignore many of them and have successfully summoned a demon to assist me. It's easier to deal with the big one than a bunch of little ones.
Jessica
rhinegirl,
You said you deal with negatives. That could mean anything. You summon demons to do your bidding. Then you must be another satanist.
It woud be no pity if this entire site was closed down since this place has gone down the tubes.
This site has been getting worse over the last six months.
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Originally posted by Ken
rhinegirl,
You summon demons to do your bidding. Then you must be another satanist.
I am not a satanist. Not all demons are Satan's. The bings I summon are far older than teh xian satan mythology.
Jessica
It was a statement. Nothing more.
I don't care. It's your life.
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Originally posted by Ken[B)]
It's your life.
Yes it is. Thank you for respecting that.'
Jessica
The Angels say there is freedom of will. There you go.[;)]
Was that black eye for me? Oh well. Gave me a bit of a laugh.
I suppose we should stick to the topic.
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Originally posted by Ken
The Angels say there is freedom of will. There you go.[;)]
Was that black eye for me? Oh well. Gave me a bit of a laugh.
I suppose we should stick to the topic.
There's so much back-bitting and gipin in this place that I have forgotten what the topic was.[:P] Oh Yes...DK..
Shall we discuss someone or something more pleasant?
Jessica
You really don't like her.
Remember she was dragged into this occult/psychic stuff against her will. It must have been very traumatic for her.
This site will likely die due to how things are going here. Oh well it's not the only site on the net.
Hi All,
The PSD forum will NOT get shut down unless Robert Bruce and Adrian both decide that is the best course of action. This is not to say that it is not a possibility, as they were the ones that ultimately made the descision to shut down the energy sub-forum because of the problems it was having with personal arguments.
Moving the forum, making a new one, all of these ideas are pretty pointless as they do not address the cause of the problem. Neither does shutting the forum down. It will only server to cure the symptom, not the cause.
James.
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"negative view", "being negative" ... I think part of the atmosphere now in this forum is due to the different understandings of what this means.
Let me tell you what I think it means.
Negative View: Continuously complaining about the post people make and telling how bad the forum and its people are. Nothing is good everything is bad and it's going to be worse.
Being Negative: Always seeing the worst side of things, selectively mentioning bad things whiteout ever focusing on the good things, further more it means not trying to improve the mood of the forum, but constantly complain about it.
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Terms such as "negative" and "positive" get used way to much in these discussions, to the point where they become ridiculous. An approach or attitude that seems negative to others could be perfectly rational at the time for the one who carries it.
It think the terms are quite clear in their context, anyone whit fair intelligence can see if a post is negative, of course some people have more tolerance for the (negative) atmosphere of a post than others, but whit some I would think there is little doubt.
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Besides, the term negative, as generally used in new age lingo, irritates the hell out of me. Every time I see it used I get an image in my head of a bunch of hippies running away in fear shouting "NOO!!! Negativity! My spirituality is eroding!! ERROOOODDDDIIINNNG!!!
Heh... so funny.
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This entire site has become a sh*thole. This is why a lot of good people are leaving or they do not bother to post here anymore.
This site has become a sh*thole because of people who pretend to need help or the other idiots who pretend to channel entities. That is only the tip of the iceberg as to why this place is crap.
Since I can't use the term negative anymore I just like to say, shut up! Why don't you leave, please do, because this crap of people like you is really what's making this place so f***ed up. All this f***ing whining, just go elsewhere whit it!
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It woud be no pity if this entire site was closed down since this place has gone down the tubes.
This site has been getting worse over the last six months.
You have to say this in every post you make?? It's because of people like you everyone gets the impression this site is really so bad. Perhaps you and your friends who think alike just like to leave? Or you could just stop your gosh darn whining and make something of the place.
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This site will likely die due to how things are going here. Oh well it's not the only site on the net
I suppose you hadn't mentioned it enough.
Perhaps people want to stop whining now and get on whit it?
Akensai - make your point but watch the language! - JamesJames - I came off a bit hard here, but i mean it 100%, this complaining about everyone and everything really got to stop.
Why does Robert have to be consulted, I thought you said this was Adrian Cooper's website?
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I finally had to GROW UP!! once I grew up I stop blaming everyone else for my garbage and dealt with my garbage. And when someone genuinely is the cause of my problem I defend myself quickly and SOLVE IT! I don't painfully drag it out so that others are exposed to the pain and suffering.
You assume way too much credit...
It's shocking to me how people NOT under attack are asked to take responsiblity for one thing...and they make their lives around that one thing and cry about how much pain they're in, how much they're going to lose their freedom, how life is just coming to an end. All this focus on the worst not the best, like Akensai said, all coming about because you were asked to take responsiblity for something.
You made your lives around one thing that you perceive as threatening and can't move on with life...why, especially when you claim you have so much? Rhinegirl's been leading the charge unrelentlessly, I must really be a threat to so powerful a demon bringer, and she still hasn't solved it yet. The maturity of it all for the stable to react in such a way.
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You have to say this in every post you make?? It's because of people like you everyone gets the impression this site is really so bad. Perhaps you and your friends who think alike just like to leave? Or you could just stop your gosh darn whining and make something of the place.
Besides chatting once in a while, why are all of you assuming that a group of people is tag teaming against another. Are you guys tag teaming. People are speaking from their own experiences not rallying around behind one person.
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Besides chatting once in a while, why are all of you assuming that a group of people is tag teaming against another. Are you guys tag teaming. People are speaking from their own experiences not rallying around behind one person.
I never assumed such a thing; I just made an easy generalization of calling people who act the same in this matter his friends. If you have read the post carefully I don't see how you could have missed this.
I believe the main problem with this forum is this:
NOBODY IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER PERSON
I am not talking about LISTENING. I am talking about UNDERSTANDING.
You can hear and know what the person's words mean, but it takes thought and empathy to understand what the person is saying and where they are coming from. The effort, in these arguments, is not there except in a few members. James has made a remarkable effort to try and understand lately I noticed, for example. If everyone did this then the problems would likely disapear. I am not going to list names, I already pointed out most of these people anyway.
A secondary problem: HOTHEADED PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SCORE POINTS WITH OTHER HOT HEADED PEOPLE. This problem is a problem much like negativity, the more it happens the more it grows and the more the pattern and "matrix" of the pattern grow. I for one have simply stopped listening to the-.....dare I say.....- IDIOTS who are simply being hot headed. I suggest these people be ignored so they can cool down. that's just my thought though.
"Since I can't use the term negative anymore I just like to say, shut up! Why don't you leave, please do, because this crap of people like you is really what's making this place so f***ed up. All this f***ing whining, just go elsewhere whit it!"
Why don't you leave instead? You are complaining more loudly then everybody else put together. You are the one getting upset by other people's remarks. Not one thing you have said has added anything positive or added any ideas as to how to handle this growing problem.
Sites like this eventually die because the good people leave.
Some sites handle problems like what occur on this site by giving all the message board trolls their own little corner of a site. That is how I handled this problem on a site I had.
People who pretend to channel entities should be banned.
People who come here with the sole purpose of causing problems should be banned.
Those moderators who are psychic enough to tune into a new member should read that person's energy;therefore,if somebody is exceptionally negative then they are not given admittance to this site.
People who are here to play troll games should be banned.
Forums shuld be closed and for members only.
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Why don't you leave instead? You are complaining more loudly then everybody else put together. You are the one getting upset by other people's remarks. Not one thing you have said has added anything positive or added any ideas as to how to handle this growing problem.
Sites like this eventually die because the good people leave.
Fine ill leave this topic, I hope you follow my example.
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Originally posted by rhinegirl
Mick has potentially figured out how I work? Hmmmm....I'm intrigued.
How do I work?[}:)][:P]
Jessica
You have mentioned the use of runes for divination and other stuff, so 'result my interest is in hearing more about your approach. ' but if this is a problem then lets just move on.
let me tell you what *I* think:
[:)]
~kakkarot
In several threads DK has suggested that PSD be shut down. I feel she is doing this for several reasons. So while I could go on for pages as to what's wrong with DK's logic and even more pages in regards to her.
I instead offer this place to ask why shouldn't it be shut down.
Please feel free to use as many words as you need to.
reasons I can think of are...
#1. it's entertaining.
#2. there are several posters here who are worthlistening to and conversing with despite disagreements, such as Kia, James, and Ender.
#3. There are people who need help in regards to psychic protection.
#4. To close this forum down to satisfy one persons manic whims woul be foolish and just plain wrong.
Jessica