I posted this in another forum I frequent and was told to come here. It did not seem like what I would consider astral projection, but I'm hardly an expert. Any input?
"I have started researching non-mainstream truths as of late and needed to find a place were there were like people. Most people are closed minded and aren't ready to take anything serious that is outside of their ability to understand. I've had some weird occurrences in the past month that I tried to dismiss.
I've been seeing tiny goldish white sparkling thingies floating around me sometimes. At first I thought they were optical illusions caused by tired eyes or perhaps a sudden rush of blood to the head, but no circumstances would account for such symptoms. I further noticed that they did not follow my line of sight. They took up their own space and if a group was moving in one direction and I turned away and looked back, they would still be going in that same direction when I turned to look at them again. The last time I able to see they with my normal vision I was sitting on the toilet and they all started gathering above my head and as I looked up I stopped seeing them. I suspect they are always around me even now. I just can't see them all the time.
They started after another incident that I have a hard time explaining. I woke up in the middle of the night once and had a weird feeling like I was being watched. I have had this feeling before but this is the first time something ever happened. A shadow that was kinda floating up in a ceiling corner near my dorm room door started moving towards me. It was like a dark cloud; like ink moving through water. It kind half circled me and stopped on top of me. My body became unresponsive (not numb) although I got the feeling it was holding me down somehow even though I felt no actual force. Then it was either sucking something out of my mouth or putting something in. Something was going on around my mouth that felt like a breeze. I keep trying to move put I couldn't. I keep trying for about 15 secs until I finally broke free and shouted "get off me!!" It vanished. I wasn't dreaming because afterwards I got up and turned on the lights from an already wake state. If I awake from a deep sleep I'll usually be disorientated and feel sick so I know I wasn't dreaming. Oddly enough my fear quickly faded away and I was able to go back to sleep. I would see the lights from time to time from then onward.
Has anyone else had a similar experience with either weird dark clouds or schools of tiny sparkles swimming around them?"
Hi there,
I haven't had either one of your experiences, but I must say that they intrigue me.
Even though I don't know anything about what you experienced, while reading your account I had the strong urge to tell you that maybe the dark shadowy figure was not "attacking" you to begin with. I am gravitating more towards a "necessary visit". The only thing that doesn't account for that possibility is that you were made immobile while the figure did something to your mouth.
The lights flying around your head invoked the thought of faeries in me. Some people, often children, see these beings on a continuous basis.
Here is what I think: I believe your spiritual awareness is being raised. I also believe that you are being prepared for something. Something very important for you and maybe for others as well.
And here is what I would do: I would give permission for the lights to come back and visit with me. In fact, I would encourage them to be with me. And once they are there I would try to communicate with them, asking questions such as: Who are you? Why are you here? and What do you want me to do?
The same goes for the shadowy figure with one exception: I would insist on giving my prior permission to whatever the figure wants to do and also ask what the purpose of the visit is.
By asking these questions you will lay the foundation to receiving answers and I believe that there is a good chance that you will like the answers and be put on the path of enlightenment. You seem to be talented already. Go ahead and use your talent. If you are afraid, you can always protect yourself by requesting spiritual protection in a prayer and by imagining a wall of light around you.
Good luck to you and be courageous!
Michael
Your second incident sounds like you had sleep paralysis with the visual hallucination that can accompany them You can't move during SP and some people have bad feelings that happen with it, while seeing hallucinations that could be anything from witches to demons to ghosts. While it it, it is difficult to breath, and SP is hard to break out of unless you learn how to.
The eye sparklies tend to come and go, you start to notice them more often if you see them out of the blue.
Both of these have happened to me, before I came to know what they were, I assumed they were naturally occurring, which turned out to be correct.
I'm not sure it was sleep paralysis because I moved around prior to the thing moving over to me. I arched myself up on my elbow and looked at it before I laid back down(I thought it was my mind playing tricks) and then I turned my head towards it and followed it with my sight from where it started to when it stopped over me. It wasn't until I tried to reach up to touch it and prove to myself that it was a mind trick that I couldn't move.
Quote from: -lines-The eye sparklies tend to come and go, you start to notice them more often if you see them out of the blue.
Both of these have happened to me, before I came to know what they were, I assumed they were naturally occurring, which turned out to be correct.
You say it is a natural occurrence. Do you mean that in the way of a optical disorder? If so, do you know what it is called? It would be one thing if they followed my line of vision but these things are independent of my line of sight.
If their independent of your sight, I'm not sure what they could be. Yes, the ones I see are in my eyes, but not a disorder as far as I know. They just aren't noticed by a lot of people.
Hello Everyone
The sparklies could be air elementals. I always notice more of them floating around in the air when a storm is present or it is raining. I always consider them friendly.
The dark figure is another matter. You should not give any permission for it to do anything. You should ask what it is and why it is visiting you. You should banish it if you do not like what it says or if it gives no answer.
I have an article on my website about magical access and permission which is longer but to be brief. You do not give any permissions to anything unless you know what it is about. Your specify the number of times it may access you to answer you and state the conditions of what it can do. Otherwise you run a risk of having serious future problems.
Nita
Quote from: NitaHello Everyone
The sparklies could be air elementals. I always notice more of them floating around in the air when a storm is present or it is raining. I always consider them friendly.
The dark figure is another matter. You should not give any permission for it to do anything. You should ask what it is and why it is visiting you. You should banish it if you do not like what it says or if it gives no answer.
I have an article on my website about magical access and permission which is longer but to be brief. You do not give any permissions to anything unless you know what it is about. Your specify the number of times it may access you to answer you and state the conditions of what it can do. Otherwise you run a risk of having serious future problems.
Nita
Elementals? What is an elemental and why would you think they were elementals?
The dark cloud is not visiting me. It was a one time thing. I haven't seen it since.
Hello Middle Way
The dark figure visited you once so I am happy it has not been back. Elementals are intelligent creatures that are linked to the elements. They can be of one or two combined elements.
The elements are earth, air, fire and water. I would feel they are elementals because I have only seen them in air. I noticed that most of the time they are in the air during a rain storm or when electrical storm energies are flowing.
You can occasionally see them in the sunshine on a clear day. There are many types of elementals and they can be looked up on the web if you are curious.
Nita
Common sense would dictate that if they were air elementals, you would see them in places other than when you are looking into the sky. For example, you could see them while looking in a room because air is in there too. They are visible while you look into the sky because it provides the intensity of light that you need in order to properly see them. I see them while looking at the snow all the time, which there is a lot of here and this is because of the brightness of the snow.
I'm not convinced that they are only there a storm is around or when it is raining. I have seen them without there being a cloud in the sky.
BTW milkyway, if they pop in and out, how do you determine that they are independent of your sight? They come and go too quickly to track one after I move my eyes quickly.
Quote from: NitaHello Middle Way
The dark figure visited you once so I am happy it has not been back. Elementals are intelligent creatures that are linked to the elements. They can be of one or two combined elements.
The elements are earth, air, fire and water. I would feel they are elementals because I have only seen them in air. I noticed that most of the time they are in the air during a rain storm or when electrical storm energies are flowing.
You can occasionally see them in the sunshine on a clear day. There are many types of elementals and they can be looked up on the web if you are curious.
Nita
What I'm asking is, what makes you think that these things are related to earth, air, fire, and water? Why not just some things that you see. floating around.
Quote from: -lines-Common sense would dictate that if they were air elementals, you would see them in places other than when you are looking into the sky. For example, you could see them while looking in a room because air is in there too. They are visible while you look into the sky because it provides the intensity of light that you need in order to properly see them. I see them while looking at the snow all the time, which there is a lot of here and this is because of the brightness of the snow.
I'm not convinced that they are only there a storm is around or when it is raining. I have seen them without there being a cloud in the sky.
BTW milkyway, if they pop in and out, how do you determine that they are independent of your sight? They come and go too quickly to track one after I move my eyes quickly.
I've seen them for up to 40 seconds straight at one time. Although, I haven't seen them for awhile now. Last time they were converging over my head which leads me to believe we may be talking about two different things.
I mean that seperate sparkles pop in and out. If that's not the case, then yeah, we're talking about two different things.
Quote from: -lines-I mean that separate sparkles pop in and out. If that's not the case, then yeah, we're talking about two different things.
Yeah, I think we are on different pages. These things reminded me of a massive school of fish although they did not move simultaneously as one unit like fish, but rather individually in one general direction.
Yup, sorry about that.
Hello Middle Way
I have seen them inside and outside. They are a combination of elements mainly air. It is why I believe it is an air elemental manifestation. Other than that everyone can believe what they want to believe. I live in the desert so the elementals do not get agitated as much and are stronger here.
Nita
Quote from: NitaHello Middle Way
I have seen them inside and outside. They are a combination of elements mainly air. It is why I believe it is an air elemental manifestation. Other than that everyone can believe what they want to believe. I live in the desert so the elementals do not get agitated as much and are stronger here.
Nita
I don't think you understand what I'm asking you.
You say that something is an air elemental. But what has lead you to believe that such a thing exists. I see alot of things in the air, but I have not had any expereince to make me associated something as being an "air-thing". Do you know what I mean?
And what element of air? Are you saying it is an oxygen elemental? A nitrogen elemental? An argon elemental? A carbon dioxide elemental?
I don't comprehend how a non-physical entity can be an air anything.
Hello Middle-Way
There are four elements used in the practice of magic. Many people say there are five if you count the akasha which is the element of spirit. Anyway each element has an intelligent spirit that takes the form of the element it is associated with and can be contacted by magic.
Air-Sylphs, wendingos, and many others
Fire-salamanders
Earth-Gnomes, trolls, faeries and such just to name a few
water-undines, and a lot of others depending upon the mythology
There are prannic energies but they are just little dots in the air. Air elementals are more in the form of shapes and appear that way because of the nature of a persons mind. People access energies in different ways. A person who has an allegorical mind set sees the energies in the forms of many spirits and shapes. The feelings and answers to questions appear in symbols and symbolic shapes that may only be understood by the person themselves.
Nita
Hey, Nita!
I'm really inteested in the elemental kingdom, got a few q's for you if thats OK?! I seem to remember, I think it was in Bardons book IIH, where he talks about how elementals are not immortal, but that a practitioner of a sufficient level can make them so. Would you agree with this? It seems...odd to me, doesn't sit "entirely" right. Surely, being energy creatures, they dont have lifetimes like ours?
Also you mentioned how elementals in the desert are not as agitated and stronger. My experience of elementals in the Falkland Islands was similar (practically no pollution there at all). Anyway, I was wondering if you knew how much human pollution and etc has an effect on them? Chemtrails and etc also. I would imagine large, but can they really be hurt, even destroyed by it do you know? Surely they can just alle off to their respective astral kingdoms if they like?
all the best
Rob
Hello Inguma
I have a website now called www.hermeticuniversityonline.com where I will be sure to answer questions :D Anyway here goes-Elementals can be given a longer lifespan but that is normally by giving them a name and a symbol. It means they are present and more existent in this world
Legends of elementals first started in Europe but the Americas have creatures of specific elements that exist. Wendingos which I listed are huge wind creatures seen by Cree Indians or one of the tribes around the Great Lakes in the US.
There was a book I saw once that had paintings by a clairvoyant of all the elementals she had seen. It was beautiful but the one that impressed me the most was the one of the desert. There was a huge man striding in a dust devil. My husband who tries to be as psychic as a rock actually commented look at that dust devil it looks like a huge man walking across the desert.
Anyway I feel that man made materials today are not of the natural world but are of different chemical combinations that do not exist. I am sure that affects the energies that keep elementals strong. Chemtrails and things like that would not weaken the elementals as much as disrupt their energy signatures. Energy signatures are the pitch, key, vibration, note of every living thing and are like a little melody and light show.They can not be destroyed that I know of but are made of energies and only shaped into reality by certain conditions.
Energy signatures are how you access any energy of this earth including life energies. I believe that is also why magic works better in the country than the city because there are fewer disruptions of the energies by excess thoughts and the rest of the things that make up a town or city.
I could probably write a really long message but I think I answered the questions. I know one of the most impressive moments I have had was at the Hopi Mesa. They believe the Kachinas are spirits that ride in on storm clouds. My husband and I watched a storm move in and you could actually see them it was wild. The Falkland Islands must be similar to that.
Nita
Woooooooow wild indeed!!!!!! That must have been amazing, I would love to have seen it!!
Yes, I saw and experienced some pretty cool stuff in the Falklands. We used to go for walks regularly, something the islanders never do - infact there was only one lady and her daughter who ever used to go walking around Stanley, so for the most part there was nobody around. Which completely agrees with what you were saying about magick working best in the country. I used to love letting my mind and energies play off and become the air energies, in much the same way as I imagine the elementals do - I love the wind. On one occasion, I ran on ahead and lay down in the white grass and diddle-dee bushes, and directly above me there was a perfect, thick line, equiliateral triangle formed from cloud which then quickly dissipated with the wind. Triangle being the symbol of manifestation and the elemental kingdom, I believe? I think they were saying "HI!" to me, but any other interpretations would be welcome! It was, without a doubt, one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.
Anyhow, thanks for the reply, yup, it answered my questions!! 8)
QuoteI have a website now called www.hermeticuniversityonline.com where I will be sure to answer questions
lol sorry, I'll try to remember in the future!
all the best
Rob
Hello Rob
I just figured it would be a nice way to let everyone know I was teaching and where you could get questions answered. I can be stumped though!
Nita
I had experienced air elements similar to that. It was like a room filled with very colorful confetti. It was twirling all around the room. I felt very happy at the time I was experiencing it, so I know it was a good thing. As far as the dark cloud thing is concerned, it sounds like a negative spiritual entity. I once was surrounded by a dark cloud like that. I felt unable to move or even think. It seemed like this thing was trying to control me in a way. I just kept praying until it finally disappeared, and it eventually did. Always remember that no matter how negative the entity is or how fearful you may be, there is nothing that can permanently hurt you!
Cool! ive experienced this gold swirls my self only twice, they are breathtaking, so far ive seen them when I was in the bathroom and in my bedroom, my vision was filled with em.
Hello there,
The golden sparklies, this could be a flow of life energy or 'prana'.
Just a thought.
Love and light,
Lunaura
MiddleWay,
I've seen those Cloudy beings you mentioned while projected... they tend to want to stick to my body even if I fight them. They are Negs and they want to drain your energy. Don't blame them, they're just trying to survive. Instead, do as Waldo Vieira of IAC (www.iacworld.org) tells: give them energy freely but don't let them get close to you and drain you. Give energy by the exteriorization method (see articles on www.iacworld.com) and they might let you alone... unless they want something else.
I have some interesting books of Waldo Vieira, but the workshops of IAC offices around the world are what's really worth (especially if you can get a veteran projector as your teacher). I say this because in terms of projection techniques you already know everything from the web, no need to buy his books. However what's worth in IAC press is that they have built a very coherent and structured scientific system for studying all consciousness related phenomena, and a very sound existential view of the human being and his evolution. Giving some examples:
Waldo Vieira invented the PENTA task: The Personal Energetic Task, where each day always at the same time for the rest of your life, your helpers (non-physical human beings) come near your body to help you practice energetic work. At the same time you can give energies to beings in need who are sometimes brought by your helpers.
Waldo also invented the concept of the Mini-Piece in a Maxi-Mechanism. When you start projecting more often you become part of a 'helping others program' directed by very evold beings. So you are a mini-piece in a very big helping scheme. You project and somewhat are guided to go rescue or help some other astral being, many times stuck in dense regions of the astral, etc...
Waldo also proposes that we should constantly be in an assistential posture, that is you should always be alert to your environment looking for beings (physical or not) in need of energies, then by the techniques you exteriorizing energies to can donate some.
He also clarified the concept of Serenissimus.... and the post could go forever...
You can check what books they have at the link Publications at www.iac.org, but going to classes is what is really worth.
I have seen the dark cloud/ink thing twice. Once, when I was out of body (it was on my bed, sort of "watching" me) I thought it represented my body though.. mainly because I did not see my actualy body on the bed... The second time was when I was in class. It hovered over some guys head for about a second and then vanished as soon as I realized what I was seeing.
Quote from: MiddleWayHas anyone else had a similar experience with either weird dark clouds or schools of tiny sparkles swimming around them?"
I'm new here and have only told 2 people in person about an experience I had about a year ago (mostly because I knew they wouldn't think I was crazy upon telling them). I was reading a book about Edgar Cayce and it gave some general instructions on meditation. Unfortunately, it seems they were for astral projection (I can elaborate more if asked). Anyway, I was in this state letting my mind wander from place to place around my room, apartment, etc. when this one night I felt like someone had thrown a blanket over my mind and body full of broken glass and rolled me up into it. It was an intense feeling of darkness and pain both physically and mentally. I tried to will this pain away as I brought myself out of the state I was in. I never tried it again out of fear of that experience, although prior to that I had enjoyed each experience (I projected for about a month) before that.
A couple months later I was asleep when I woke up suddenly and rolled over and I saw this form of a dark face with a twisted smile "fall" through my pillows and disappear. I was a bit frightened from it initially but I just shrugged it off as me coming out of the dream state. I've never seen the face or anything like it since.
I read in a few other threads about seeing flashes of shadows out of the corners of your eyes and I see this all the time. In the winter of '03-'04 when I would be, apparently, projecting I saw these wisps of fleeting shadows all the time in my daily routines like being at work, using the computer, etc. Lately, I don't see them often but it seems like I seem them more in the winter months. I guess I've just attributed them to seasonal depression or something.
Like I said, I'm new to all of this, so if I am using the wrong terminology or would like to know more I'd be glad to try to remember.
What you described exactly relates to a real life experience my spiritual friend had. The same mist type thingy, except hers was crimson/bloody red. Except she got thrown 10 feet across the room... and another time choked.. but ya. In my opinion, bad bad bad, be careful.