The Astral Pulse

OK.. this has been going on for MONTHS now... 3 shadow people are LIVING in my house... and they are STALKING me...

I can feel them trying to strangle me more and more often, they are tripping me.. and all that stuff... they are driving me crazy, and I can feel them trying to possess me... *I don't let them because I'm stubborn like that*

I asked why they might attack me, and I got a response saying that they will attack if you are depressed or if you are like very spiritually aware (which I am ><)...

All three are preparing to attack.. I can feel it..

At night they whisper to me "give yourself up to me..." and stuff like that

They stalk me and give me headaches.. and won't leave me alone!

HOW DO I GET RID OF THEM!? I'M DESPERATE!! HELP!

If it's only/more at night, maybe it's enough to not turn off the lights when you go to sleep?

haste makes waste in this case. i only wish i would have been more aware of what the outcome was going to be when the watchers first came round, but i was 6. :(. you definitely don't want to fu*k around with this stuff and hesitate. bcuz i still haven't gotten clear of them and its been 30 yrs. you do not to want to go through that! think back to when it started...did you bring anything into the house that was old, or that someone gave you?!? pictures, mirrors especially, antiques, books, art work...anything at all. try removing those items from the house. cleanse them outside (moonlight works, salt, spring water, even just a good cleaning with soap and water can work.
also SMUDGING...i suggest this highly as it has had some positive effects for me, where nothing else has worked. if you have an occult or new age store nearby tell them your situation and they'll set you up. definitely smudge! it takes a while to do a good job of it, but if it's still in the beginning stages it might just do the trick. clean house. top to bottom and rearrange things per run-lola's advice. they hate that. get some feng shui books from the library or research online. that would be the way to go. paint your front door red! (kind of kidding) but hang reminders around the house, front door, fridge, computer, etc...to remind you to stay constantly in a positive mood (be vigilant with this)...DO NOT THINK ANY NEGATIVE THOUGHTS...watch yourself bcuz it's so unconscious. they feed of that too. the reminders can be little pictures or fresh flowers, or whatever gets you in a good mood. yes air out your house. change your habits...they are in the process of collecting information on you, how you function, etc. this is usually information for something higher up the ladder that is interested in whether or not you can be of benefit.  they feed off any kind of energy really...good or bad...so try to remain centered, calm, balanced, clear of mind...AND NO SEX IN THE HOUSE (sorry), but that really gets them excited. sexual energy is a highly addictive drug to them! i will warn you that the problem probably has nothing to do with the house at all. they have followed me wherever i go. moving never helps! so the real job will in protecting yourself...which sorry to say i have very little information that works. starting with the house creates distance. it's your home and it should protect you as such, but you have to do the work to get it to that point. you can pick up these entities at parties as well, so think about who you've been hanging around and what you've been unconsciously wading through. people are usually too busy when they're away from home...too much on their minds to be invaded, but at home where you relax and let your guard down, sleep, unwind, etc...that's the easiest place for them to slip in.  

keep us posted. i'm sorry to hear this is happening to you. i'm sure it doesn't make you feel better to know that these things can creep in and stick around as long as i've mentioned (and get much worse in the process), but on the flip-side...i'm still alive and more experienced for it. not that thats much of a payoff. GO BUY SMUDGE STICKS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
anointed candles don't hurt either. i've never found any religious items to work, but it can't hurt.

GOOD LUCK
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Haha, its you.  I talked to u online, heehee.  IM me again ^_^.

haha yeah its me... hmm well I'm only 14, so I'm not doing anything naughty xD;...

I don't know if its smart or not but sometimes when they annoy me i yell at them to buzz off and lemme alone... sometimes they retract... for a little bit.. but then observe me... sometimes i... ahah... through things at them -.-;;;

Hmm feed off my energy? iono... I think I might have a wound.. cause on my shoulder i feel like energy is pouring outta me.. hmm... and recently I've realized that... uh.. I kinda.. sorta... I can't control it, but I take peoples energy O.O;; <-- what exactally do you call that? Anyone around me usually like... feels a lot less energetic.. is more.. moody... more tired.. one of my friends sometimes is in pain whenever I'm around him.. whats that called?

but anyways.. there is 3 of them, and they... well one time something flew in *I think it was my guardian* and like put up a shield that blocked them our for about a week... then the made their way through.. ack.. they still follow me around and stuff... it can become quite annoying... -.-;

eep, but so far.. no real progress...

IM me at blacknighstar13 if you got any info i could use x.X thanks

-Alex

the word is psychic vampire!

obviously you aren't taking this seriously. i'm sorry for that, and i know you're young, but..................wow. you don't know what you're toying with.
throwing your teddy bear at them ain't gonna cut it. i feel like i wasted a chunk of energy in this direction. oh well. maybe you can just embrace the dark-side, hone up on your vamp abilities and join the ever increasing group of energy parasites. it's a hot, new trend...you can't get at target. :roll:

IMO, the more you do take it serious the more life you give it period.  

I'd  throw a teddy bear at it and laugh while doing so.:D but then again I did happen to see ONE shadowy figure standing next to my bedroom door quite some months ago and all I did was look at it. lol  I felt no evilness coming from it, it just LOOKED menacing..

I'am curious as to what you mean about "tripping me and all that stuff" ?  No offense perhaps you are just a bit clumsy? :P

Anyhoo, hope all works out for ya.

Nay

lol... no.. like... I'm walking and I trip over... its like I actually trip over something.. but I look down and see nothing is there =\... also I've fallen out of this... one chair numerous times... like.. Its odd how I fall out of it every time also like sorta... feels like something is pushing me out...

... as for 'embracing the dark side' I'd rather not, although the idea sounds sorta cool ahahaha... ha... xD;;;... I'm for the light side ^^; is there a way to stop this 'vampirism'?

oh well... back to the shadow people... hmm so.. seriously or lightening up with them.... I mean... someone told me they feed off of depressing energy and stuff a while ago...

Shadow people huh?  

Just fight them.  There shadows after all.  Dont fear.  You see one, get up and walk over to it, try to hit it(im serious).  Maybe shine a flash light on it.  Laugh at them, but truly laugh dont fake it. Moon them.  Make fun of them.  Just make it a big joke.  Nobody(human or not) likes to be a joke.  They should just go away after that.  Also talk to them.  Watch tv and make loud comments about the show to them.  Do whatever you can to show them you are not afraid and are willing to fight them if they want.

y'all have to be kidding! doesn't anyone have any actual experience with neg's? firstly they're not stupid, secondly they're not trying to figure out if you're scared of them or not...believe me if they wanted to... they could scare you to death! they could crawl inside your tiny little minds and tear their way out. they could f*ck with everything you love, every belief that you've tied yourself up in and bring you to your knees in a heartbeat.
throw stuff at them? laugh at them? discuss television shows? i can't even find a response to that. they're aren't attacking you YET, bcuz they aren't allowed to. they are simply collecting information, doing diagnostics & recon, but wait. go ahead and do all the things suggested...be silly about it. there really isn't anything you can do anyway. they've already got your number. they're calling from inside the house, and there isn't anyone that isn't "useful" to their agenda. they're just figuring out where you fit in. they have direct orders that they know better to stray from no matter how hard you taunt them. they'll wait until it's time and then you're posts will have a very different resonance.

nay made the point that i shouldn't be offering advice in the negative, but after looking at this thread again...i can't go that route. i can't believe the shallow, completely ignorant (as in no experience) responses tossed around. this will change you're life drastically, but we all need to grow up sometime. so have fun with it while you can.

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Quote from: Souljah333y'all have to be kidding! doesn't anyone have any actual experience with neg's? firstly they're not stupid, secondly they're not trying to figure out if you're scared of them or not...believe me if they wanted to... they could scare you to death! they could crawl inside your tiny little minds and tear their way out. they could f*ck with everything you love, every belief that you've tied yourself up in and bring you to your knees in a heartbeat.

ahahahhahaahahha.  Are you serious? Tear there way inside my tiny mind and rip their way out, huh?  Thats classic.  They gonna steal my soul too?  First off, Im not gonna let some little shadow neg thing hurt me.  Im alot stronger than they are.  Just because youre afraid of them dosnt mean im an idiot for not being afraid.  They are somthing to laugh at. And no, they cant mess with everything I love becuase I would kill them.  Secondly, if they get inside my head, I feel sorry for them.  Its my head.  Thatd would be on my turf, and I say what goes on in my head.  They have a better chance of hurting me physically.  Alot of people in this community dont realize how much control they have/could have over their bodies and spirits.  

Quotethrow stuff at them? laugh at them? discuss television shows? i can't even find a response to that. they're aren't attacking you YET, bcuz they aren't allowed to. they are simply collecting information, doing diagnostics & recon, but wait. go ahead and do all the things suggested...be silly about it. there really isn't anything you can do anyway.

Yeah laugh at them.  Do you know how much power is in happiness, in laughter, in high spirits.  and of course there is somthing you can do about it.  Theyare called negs for a reason.  You dont just sit there and let them 'collect information' get rid of them.  I had an experience with two negs one time. I showed them I wasnt afraid, and if they screwed with me they were gonna get hurt.  Never been bothered since.

Quotei can't believe the shallow, completely ignorant (as in no experience) responses tossed around. this will change you're life drastically, but we all need to grow up sometime.

grow up?  whats so immature about my previous post.  The person asked for help and I gave that person the honest thing I would do with the situation.   I refuse to fear these things and let them take over.  I dont even know why you said we all need to grow up.  Life hands you lemons, squirt the juice back in its eye.

whatever.

i refuse to make light of something i know very well is not light. and the idea of fighting the dark with light. best of luck. i'm not saying it can't be done, but most people that suffer attacks, or find themselves under surveillance, don't possess the abilities to defend themselves in the first place. this is my point and it's a very simple one.

and you speak of your head like it's some sacred ground. what thoughts in there are truly your own? tell me one that is originally yours. it might behoove you to visit your local mental hospital and take a good long look at all those strong minds. or would you make the mistake of saying that people who are mentally disturbed are weak? some of the most intelligent people in history had some for of "mental illness", although it's an incredibly bad choice of words.

QuoteJust because youre afraid of them dosnt mean im an idiot for not being afraid. They are somthing to laugh at. And no, they cant mess with everything I love becuase I would kill them.

i'm not afraid of them, not anymore, but i'm not disrespectful...and that's an agreement that works both ways. tell me...how would you go about killing a neg???

i'm not faulting anyone for how they deal with this situation, but i have hard time with humans always wanting to personify everything. these things aren't human, they aren't concerned with human rules, or ethics, or understanding, or how powerful "you think" you are. they have one objective...and i hope to god none of you ever have to experience what that is. like i said before....laugh (you're right it's healthy).

QuoteAlot of people in this community dont realize how much control they have/could have over their bodies and spirits.

isn't that basically the same thing i said (although i didn't leave out mind)

QuoteYou dont just sit there and let them 'collect information' get rid of them.

they start collecting information long before they show themselves. there is so much that surrounds us that we aren't capable of seeing (yet/most of the time). don't think just becuz it's not visible...it's not there. we are only capable of seeing/sensing what's within our realm and it's a tiny fragment hardly worth mentioning.

when i said we all have to grow up sometime...i meant exactly that. not that anyone should lose their enthusiasm for life, become jaded and anal. i was talking about wisdom from experience. that can't be stopped.

none of this is worth arguing about. everyone has an opinion. i just had to make mine clear...again.

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Quote from: Souljah333y'all have to be kidding! doesn't anyone have any actual experience with neg's? firstly they're not stupid, secondly they're not trying to figure out if you're scared of them or not...believe me if they wanted to... they could scare you to death! they could crawl inside your tiny little minds and tear their way out. they could f*ck with everything you love, every belief that you've tied yourself up in and bring you to your knees in a heartbeat.

ahahahhahaahahha.  Are you serious? Tear there way inside my tiny mind and rip their way out, huh?  Thats classic.  They gonna steal my soul too?  First off, Im not gonna let some little shadow neg thing hurt me.  Im alot stronger than they are.  Just because youre afraid of them dosnt mean im an idiot for not being afraid.  They are somthing to laugh at. And no, they cant mess with everything I love becuase I would kill them.  Secondly, if they get inside my head, I feel sorry for them.  Its my head.  Thatd would be on my turf, and I say what goes on in my head.  They have a better chance of hurting me physically.  Alot of people in this community dont realize how much control they have/could have over their bodies and spirits.  

Quotethrow stuff at them? laugh at them? discuss television shows? i can't even find a response to that. they're aren't attacking you YET, bcuz they aren't allowed to. they are simply collecting information, doing diagnostics & recon, but wait. go ahead and do all the things suggested...be silly about it. there really isn't anything you can do anyway.

Yeah laugh at them.  Do you know how much power is in happiness, in laughter, in high spirits.  and of course there is somthing you can do about it.  Theyare called negs for a reason.  You dont just sit there and let them 'collect information' get rid of them.  I had an experience with two negs one time. I showed them I wasnt afraid, and if they screwed with me they were gonna get hurt.  Never been bothered since.

Quotei can't believe the shallow, completely ignorant (as in no experience) responses tossed around. this will change you're life drastically, but we all need to grow up sometime.

grow up?  whats so immature about my previous post.  The person asked for help and I gave that person the honest thing I would do with the situation.   I refuse to fear these things and let them take over.  I dont even know why you said we all need to grow up.  Life hands you lemons, squirt the juice back in its eye.

Very nice post!   Couldn't agree more with ya. :D

Take Care,
Nay

Quote from: Souljah333y'all have to be kidding! doesn't anyone have any actual experience with neg's?

I think most ppl don't. I do, but not enough to really be able to give any good advice. From all posts I've read so far on this forum it seems like you're the most experienced one when it comes to fighting negs.

Quote from: Souljah333whatever.

i refuse to make light of something i know very well is not light. and the idea of fighting the dark with light. best of luck. i'm not saying it can't be done, but most people that suffer attacks, or find themselves under surveillance, don't possess the abilities to defend themselves in the first place. this is my point and it's a very simple one.

and you speak of your head like it's some sacred ground. what thoughts in there are truly your own? tell me one that is originally yours. it might behoove you to visit your local mental hospital and take a good long look at all those strong minds.

Yes the thoughts in my head are my own.  Why did you ask?  Are the thoughts in your head not yours?(jeesh, youre telling me to go to a mental hospitial)

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or would you make the mistake of saying that people who are mentally disturbed are weak? some of the most intelligent people in history had some for of "mental illness", although it's an incredibly bad choice of words.

Now youre just twisting my words.  I did not say that. But now that you mention it, im sure some mentally ill people are weak against neg attacks. Then again, im not a doctor so I dont know exactly what mentally ill people are truely capable of.

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i'm not afraid of them, not anymore, but i'm not disrespectful...and that's an agreement that works both ways. tell me...how would you go about killing a neg???

Disrespectful?  Im not sure exactly what you meant by that but if youre talking about disrepecting negs, then yeah I guess I am disrespectful.  I will kill a neg by taking its lifeforce or somthing to that effect.  Yeah I know I would be sinking to the negs level, but hey, it would be atticking my family for me to do that.

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i'm not faulting anyone for how they deal with this situation, but i have hard time with humans always wanting to personify everything. these things aren't human, they aren't concerned with human rules, or ethics, or understanding, or how powerful "you think" you are. they have one objective...and i hope to god none of you ever have to experience what that is. like i said before....laugh (you're right it's healthy).

Well the worlds in which we live and the spiritual/astral worlds work on rules.  They have to obey rules, so do i. BUT if they enter my mind then there is a whole new set of rules, the ones I choose.  Have you ever heard of someone 'being off in their own little world' when talking about daydreaming.  Well we all have our own little worlds in which we control.  Drop the dramatic 'Ive been through it hell and back' thing.  I have had experince with this.  

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isn't that basically the same thing i said (although i didn't leave out mind)

no I beleive you said that negs can hurt you so dont make jokes about it.

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they start collecting information long before they show themselves. there is so much that surrounds us that we aren't capable of seeing (yet/most of the time). don't think just becuz it's not visible...it's not there. we are only capable of seeing/sensing what's within our realm and it's a tiny fragment hardly worth mentioning.

Ah, my favorite example, air.  I know air exist, i know god exist but I can not see them.  Who do you think youre talking to?  You dont have to tell me to open my eyes to see what is truly around us. But if you keep staring at the giant picture, you miss out on the details of life.

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none of this is worth arguing about. everyone has an opinion. i just had to make mine clear...again.

Yes.  This is one part I agree exactly on.  There is a big problem in this community.  Some people see the glass as half empty, some see it as half full, some think the glass dont exist, some wonder why there is a half empty glass of water just sitting there.  The problem is we are so opinionated that we tend to aruge alot, and that causes hatred.  So I just want you to know that I hold nothing against you and you are perfictally titled to your opinion.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhah...i can't seem to let it go. strange!?!

Thanks Scorpyn for the simple & intuitive insight. yeah 30 yrs. should make me somewhat knowledgeable on the subject. my frustration with the energy of this thread doesn't have anything to do with demons or neg's. it has to do with the mentality of the posers opps...posters. :roll:
i suppose nay might have a point about being careful of how i might influence people, Wronski Feint in particular who seems oblivious to the conditioned mind. (no the thoughts in your head are not your own).

QuoteBut now that you mention it, im sure some mentally ill people are weak against neg attacks. Then again, im not a doctor so I dont know exactly what mentally ill people are truely capable of.

everyone has weaknesses darlin'. and as far as doctors are concerned they know absolutely nothing outside their textbooks...although i'm sure like you...they think they understand it all.

QuoteDisrespectful? Im not sure exactly what you meant by that

I KNOW.

QuoteWell the worlds in which we live and the spiritual/astral worlds work on rules. They have to obey rules, so do i.

what rules???
like gravity? time? life and death? those are only theories.

QuoteI have had experince with this.

would you consider sharing your experiences? it would help me for one...put things in perspective on where you're coming from. i really would like to understand and relate to the "mooning" thing. did that actually work for you?

QuoteAh, my favorite example, air. I know air exist, i know god exist but I can not see them. Who do you think youre talking to? You dont have to tell me to open my eyes to see what is truly around us. But if you keep staring at the giant picture, you miss out on the details of life.

i'm not talking about air and god...i'm talking about things you couldn't even imagine...both in the large scale and the details, but i don't want to scare anyone or give y'all nightmares. god forbid.

QuoteThe problem is we are so opinionated that we tend to aruge alot, and that causes hatred. So I just want you to know that I hold nothing against you and you are perfictally titled to your opinion.

i'm probably the most open-minded person you could ever hope to meet. i'm the one that has respect for neg's remember. i never said don't try the silly stuff. when one is under attack they'll try anything...even suicide. that's real funny too i guess!?! i was just offering highly experienced advice (to Silent Shadow by the way)...and i can't speak for anyone else, but nothing is powerful enough to make me "hate" anything.

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when you run out of teddy bears, try playing brittany spears really loud. that should definitely drive them off.
LOL

i think that's the way things work around here if i'm not mistaken. you say something patronizing and than laugh...out loud.:lol:  
i think it's called passive-aggressive?!? is that correct nay?

Im not taking up anymore forumspace. This thread is to help someone,  not argue so we shall continue this in PM Souljah.

The commenting and not being afraid of them... doesn't work too well... they just come back when I'm about to fall asleep... I have been laughing/hitting them/talking to them/"showing that I'm not afraid"... I used to think that they were ghosts when they first came, and asked what they wanted, but they ran away... but later, I guess they became more aware that I could feel their presence and stuff, so they start to come by me more and more often...

I think they are intelligent things. I think that they figured out that if I become I don't know.... aware of their presence more often, that I would feel more "comfortable" around them, and then they would be able to first collect more info as you've said, and then strike when they can... They are becoming a tad bit more aggressive then they were when they first came

I believe not feeling depressed or fear is a bit... hard... sometimes it feels that they like, literally PUT fear or depression into you.. some nights I find myself crying and feeling really sad... and I have no idea why either... I know the best way to fight this is by thinking happy thoughts and stuff... and that usually works to get rid of the depression, but fear is a bit hard to get rid of, because I know that they CAN hurt me... I mean, some nights I can like, feel an energy or something wrap around my neck and squeeze, and I have to physically remove it, by taking my hands and removing it... And I think that this is their doing... last night, they were sending me pains I guess... I don't know if this is their workings or not, but I was just sitting in bed, and it... sorta felt like something was causing me to feel pain... At the same time I could feel them watching...

I had.. a theory that perhaps if I do, learn how to use energy, I could defend myself from these things, but so far, I don't have the highest abilities yet, I just can sense/see things... I can't suck energy out, or create energy weapons and stuff like that...

So far, prayer is the best thing that works for me... but I wanna get rid of these things... And I got that gut feeling that there IS a way... cause nothing is impossible... btw, thanks for all the help I've been getting so far.

i am sending what energy i can afford your way. i know it's scary. i know that "breakdown" that is inevitable...it just keeps wearing you down and that's part of their job. all in all i want you to understand...I WANT YOU TO KNOW, that they CANNOT hurt you physically. as i said before...they can bash your brains into soup by screwing with your unconscious mind, implanting thoughts, voices, triggers, etc...
THEY CAN ONLY MAKE YOU HURT YOURSELF & that's what you're going to work on NOT DOING>
i know that cycling this junk over and over again in your mind will make you go nuts. i would try in a round about way to ask people in your family if they are also experiencing the same thing. i know this isn't something that most people would just come out and say, and you want to be very clever about it, bcuz the LAST thing you need is your family thinking you're wacko. that won't help, and you don't want them putting you on drugs either (it's sad that that's the best a lot of parents can come up with to help). its my personal opinion that the anti-depressants and anti-hyper drugs that are being prescribed like candy...is part of a grand conspiracy by the "illuminati". i don't want to get into that here, but i think its in place to keep the kids dazed enough that the work can continued without their awareness. meaning yes the drugs would help to cancel it out of your mind, but it's a zombie state...where it hasn't really stopped. you're just LESS AWARE. so...hopefully you have brothers or sisters to ask. it would be nice if you had direct support in this. if you can't do that, know that there are MANY people here and there that are going through the exact same thing...and more all the time.

i don't want to dishearten you, but NOTHING i have ever tried has worked. med's, preying, begging, religious tools, cleansing, occult rituals, moving my butt all over the country. nothing! i can surround myself with light, light balls, light swords, walls, shields...nothing works. you are looking in a good direction though...because although you can now sense these things in the physical world...they are not physical, they do not exist on the level that you yourself can work on...even astrally. this however works both ways!!! YOU CAN'T HURT THEM...THEY CAN'T HURT YOU. so the best thing you can do for now is try and NOT REACT. ENGAGE in your LIFE!!! force yourself to do things that you really truly enjoy in your heart. and this is where i'll sound like a hypocrite (but i wanted you to understand the severity of the problem first, before you went this route) it has a lot to do with INTENT. dance, sing, play games, help children, cook, clean, organize, run...do whatever you have to do to keep your mind occupied. this won't stop the attacks, but it will keep you from going crazy, and you will find that it may get harder and harder to do these things. but force yourself. if you're parents are open minded...tell them what is going on. if they're not...find friends that are truly supportive and non-judgmental. (note: as there are a growing number of people under attack, on the other side...there is also a growing number of (kids especially) that are being drawn to the darker side...it might seem hip, cool, trendy...but you want to stay away from these people...like psy-vampires, goths, etc. you don't need any more excrement draining your energy!!!)
also the last thing you need is a bunch of people trying to figure this out for you. they can't understand and will give it more attention than it deserves. causing you to have to think about it more. one good friend that you have always trusted is worth everything!

i don't know where you live, but mugwort grows wild most places. you need to get some and hang it in your room, stuff it in your pillow, even make a little sachet and carry it with you. this is something i just started doing and although it's only been a week or so...i have had NO attacks in that time. i can send you some if you'd like, but you can get it anywhere. also get yourself some hematite...a necklace preferably if they seem to be attacking there. it's cheap as far as stones go. you can also keep yourself busy researching protective stuff...plants, stones, symbols, etc. try a bead shop where you can pick out the beads you're drawn to and make your own jewelery. some gift shops or discovery type stores should have bags of stones you can mix and match.

keep me posted. i am truly concerned about you.
feel free to PM also
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Do what souljah suggested this will most likely help.  I guess its no good to talk to them or stuff, you dont want to anger them if they are hurting you now.  Do you they bother you outside your house?  Because you should get your energy up so you wont be so tired.  If they dont bother you away from home, go outside and meditate.  

Sit down in the grass and picture the earth as a large ball of energy, picture this energy coming through the ground and into your body.  Hopefully this will give you some strength (it works for me).  Maybe even get some music that pumps you up and listen to that.  Its temporary but it works.  Umm, thats all I got as far as keeping your energy up.  

As for geting rid of them in a non-confrentational way, no idea.

they either only attack me at night/didn't matter if i was home/friends/hotel/etc. or when i tried to catch up on sleep during the day and was in a subconscious state. when i was working or out...my mind was too occupied. this of course leads straight to exhaustion! if you keep yourself so busy that you wear yourself out. another round about way they get you. it's a very covert/intense/stress-like chess game. also use a lot of military psy-tactics.

YES...spend as much time as you can in the grass, barefoot. the earth is absolutely grounding NEUTRAL/HEALING!!! spend as much time as you can in EARTH/WATER/SUNSHINE!!! EVEN RAIN! ANYTHING THAT ISN'T STAGNANT!

WE'RE HERE FOR YOU
BLESSINGS & POWER
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ya I kinda think he has the right attitude if you take them to serious, they become more serious...  im a firm believer that it isnt the religion that holds power, but the persons beliefs in it that give it power.. so maybe you should take to a priest or something have him bless your house.. of course this runs the risk of making you look insane.. because Ive taken a lot of psy class's and heard voices is not good..

first i want to paint a little picture that's simple/high school stuff...not bcuz i feel that the audience is immature, but inexperienced. my hope is to walk away from the spiritual mumbo-jumbo for a sec and look at something that most everyone has experience with...
(this is from a female perspective, but it works both ways)
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you have a crush on a guy at school. you work your way into his circle, and become friends. you do whatever it takes to win him over. he uses you and follows up by completely ignoring you &/or treating you like sh*t.
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reactions on your part to "save yourself"
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- laugh at him & blow him off every time you see him.
problem with making a joke out of it is...it's not the truth (is it?). you we're/are hurt, rejected, humiliated, etc (major emotions) and out of fear of dealing with those emotions & accepting the TRUTH you "pretend" otherwise = conclusion...you are not being honest with yourself, and you are not respecting your feelings. you are simply betraying yourself as well.

- take the whole thing very seriously! he treated you like crap and now it is necessary to make him pay! you refuse to let the situation go, and attack him every chance you get...trying to belittle him and turn the tables. fact is...you've lost your cool, and you end up not only being hurt, but looking like a stark-raving b*tch/lunatic! you've just expanded the problem without any satisfaction or compassion on your part. reacting as you're own worst enemy...once again you are betraying yourself, bcuz you have refused the "lesson", the probable being...that you asked for it! that you offered yourself up to the situation (not so much the individual guy himself)...knowing full well (if you had put your ragging hormones aside for a moment and looked "clearly" at the cards on the table)...that you were setting yourself up to get hurt.
- lastly...and somewhere in between there is balance. and it is truly a wonderful feeling of empowerment and wisdom when you can reach this state. although it doesn't keep you from your lessons. you will still find yourself in positions where you get hurt, betrayed, rejected, etc. but you will be building new skills to cope with it that work far better than those mentioned above...that accomplish nothing. you take him aside and tell him face to face in a calm manner how you feel and nothing more. you don't look for an apology, you don't wait for explanations, or excuses, and you don't stand for any disrespect...and it isn't really "him" you're addressing...it's the universe. it's the larger picture...and you're speaking with intent at that YOU you wish to be. then you cut all ties w/ him bcuz w/ distance there is a clearer mind. you have to break the habit and you find other interests to keep yourself occupied. you laugh on occasion even if it's forced...to get back to your fun loving self, until it is natural again. but always, always are you vigilant after wards of the possibilities of it happening again. always on the lookout for the signs of betrayal from both yourself and manifestation of it around you. you DON"T need to go through that lesson again, unless you chose to.

and this brings us back to the attacks/stalking. hopefully with a clearer understanding of what i'm speaking. do not hold firm to any one belief about anything you are always learning, developing, changing. by focusing on only love & light you leave plenty of space open for attack. as well as ignoring the situation...brings you to the same place. even those that believe too strongly in protective rituals, guardian angels, etc. when they don't work it's cause for even greater alarm. in all these "reactions" you restrict the flow of new information. the ultimate information being that you are more powerful than all of the things that happen to you, and there is no need to react, respond to anything you don't want to give that power away to. (this also goes along with pys-vampires, etc...but that's another thread).

i'm not sure if any of this helps. but what keeps being repeated here is only HALF the solution. it's important (although who am i to say so) that you don't just sum it all up so simply with a "conclusion", but that you keep going with it. not until it drives you completely mad of course, but until it feels balanced...then you are nearer the truth. taking the whole thing too seriously is NOT the correct answer, and neither is taking it TOO lightly. in between there is something that will work. i promise you, but remember...not "work" to keep these things from happening, but work to change your perception of what is happening. that is all that matters!

sinceeerily:wink:
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FEEDBACK PLEASE

lol. yeah I understand that...

But I came here to post... I don't know if this should go under here or not, *I'm gonna post another thing about it later eek*

But the creepiest thing happened to me the other day; and I SWEAR that it wasn't my imagination...

Ok, so I have a boyfriend, and yeah, he's kissed me before, so I know what a kiss feels like. Ok, so.. here's what happened, I'm sitting at my desk just whistling a tune... and like... I start to rest my lips *I'm standing up as i stop to whistle* and then... dude, creepy... I felt someone kiss my lips when I was in the process of "stopping whistling".. so that my lips were sorta puckered up I guess...

But I'm serious, I felt something, and it was like almost exactly the same thing with a kiss, except I didn't know.. what.. or... could even see what did that... It was.... just plain freaky.... cause it left after doing that to me...

Thinking about it... I don't think this is really a good situation that I am in... x.X... but I don't think that was the work of a Shadow Person...

-shivers- I seem to attract odd things haha xD;;

These shadows , they can never harm you .They r just making u scare .You are able to see them because you are spiritually awakened.Until and unless you invite them they wont harm you.They are waiting for you to get the invitation.

dear mindseye,

please...don't talk about this like you understand it. what you are saying is not a truth. you are in fact telling the person that what is happening, isn't really happening, and that if it is happening...they brought it upon them-self by invitation.

we need to leave that aspect of it behind.
these things CAN enter your life without invitation.
BECAUSE...
and you are correct in a sense, but it is a much different level than what you think it is. many people that are under attack...have asked for enlightenment. have asked for a connection to something higher, or asked to learn more about the astral, etc. depending on their level of intent it comes. WE ARE HEAR ON THIS PLANET IN THE PHYSICAL TO LEARN AND TO EXPERIENCE THINGS WITH OUR SENSES. when the student goes to school they are asking to learn. some subjects may be enjoyable, some not!

WE HAVE ALL ASKED FOR IT BEFORE WE EVEN GOT HERE.
a lot more people are getting some very heavy lessons now, and more to come. it's very important to STAY OPEN TO THE INFORMATION> learn.

we've given everything an invitation in this life. now we have to deal with it. stay focused on the lesson. stay flexible!!!

peace & wisdom
333

Well, the last I saw of these shadows was yesterday...

I recall Souljah333 saying that they like "sexual energy" or something like that? Maybe its the same with "love-ish" "happy" actions iono

Well, I hugged my bf, and i sensed it like running into my room, and then I looked up and saw it *yeah, I can see these things* and it stood there watching or something...

Was it just gathering more information or something?

sexual energy is usually more deviant, and like i said it's like candy to them. they just can't get enough of it. period!  however genuine love (not the marketed happy-happy/joy-joy...fluffy teddy bear...i love everyone love), but the real simple exchange of love....fascinate them to no end. much like you might react if you actually saw the easter bunny. i think it mesmerizes them bcuz they don't understand it...they have no idea what it is.

Not good... they are asking for an invitation now *long story*.. but they are....

... apparently they are done collecting info, and are ready to strike... aiya... and I KNOW they can do damage...

and now begins the long, arduous battle of rejection. it's probably not the type of "popularity" a girl hopes for...but stand your ground. one thing that might be beneficial about these times is that they have stepped up their mission. they have a quota to fill. this might in fact cause them to move on in a sense. no time to waste on the stubborn! too many people to sway.
i'm here if things get rough & you need to talk. you can always PM if things get freaky!!!

respect
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i believe there is a thread just like this! here is the URL http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19143&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

threaten the negs...

try to drain their energy until they disappear..

get some sage...

move to another house??

You know, I actually found this site because it was referenced in the book Practical Psychic Self-defense by Robert Bruce.  It said this was his website.  So, why hasn't anyone suggested any of the defense mechanisms listed in the book?  Hmmm.

I haven't finished the book, but so far a good reference manual.  It does suggest blessing symbols such as crosses and places them in various places around your home will help.  Hide them under your bed, draw them on the back of pictures etc.  Get ahold of the book as there is much detail.  Obviously I haven't tried yet.

Actually, I'm convinced my ex is possessed.  I'm not sure how to assist him from a remote location.  He will be unwilling to participate, but he needs help.  That's why I bought the book...so far I haven't found anything to help that situation.  Any thoughts?

Hm... possession... well I'm not really an expert on any of it.. well.. I mean.. hes the one who really has to fight it.. I think that maybe you can just help him fight whatever possessed him...? ^^;;; sorry its probably not much of a help.... maybe you can ask what he wants to do.. and once the thing that possessed him finishes what it wants to do... it'll leave? who knows.. I guess it depends on what possessed him.... *I'm no expert so...*

Anyways...  concerning the shadows, they aren't leaving; still watching me and stuff.. and now they seem to be looking through some of my things at night.. which is a bit... annoying... but eh... and I'm seriously convinced that... that spirit really is... er... interested... which is sorta creepy.. *caught him watching me the other day x.X*...

so.. now what do i do.... er... *sorta lost* I mean... having spirits stalking you and stuff is one thing.. but having one of them... like... you?

you can see them right?  wait till you are alone and call them to you.  let them surround you.  kick their sorry butts... any questions?  Think of a way to exploit their weakness, find the point within them that they cant hide, find what will destroy them without fail.  This is the end, they are swarming to attack, take them out.  Possession isn't an option.  Are you willing to give up your life????  You are stronger than them, they prey on you because they think you are weak, let them believe that.  Become the warrior they cant beat and end it.  Start with propaganda.  Read "The Art of War" in front of them and smile like you know something.  Play with them.  Finish them.  This is my advice.

QuoteYou know, I actually found this site because it was referenced in the book Practical Psychic Self-defense by Robert Bruce. It said this was his website. So, why hasn't anyone suggested any of the defense mechanisms listed in the book? Hmmm.

Ah well, Robert caused something of a conflict a while back, quite unexpected, but result is he doesn't really come here any more nor does Nita, so it doesnt get so discussed any more. But I do know from experience that the methods in his book do work. With respect to your ex - you might be able to give him some help but I doubt you will be able to do that much without having him onboard (ie participating in trying to free himself).

Rob

Ok.. say I do confront them....

There isn't a 110% chance I'm going to win.. I know that I am strong.. and I know I have a really strong will *and I'm really stubborn... even annoys my friends how stubborn I can be XD;;*

But... what if... I lose? then what?

I'm like skrewed for life... and I don't know exactly.. how to "kick their butts"...

either you confront them and die or sit around and let them tear your life apart and then die.  THe choice is yours.

WOW, not to offend anybody, but a lot of these responses are totally ridiculous.  I doubt any of you have had a real experience with shadows.  I think that MAYBE 1 in the lot of you would have the courage to make fun of an evil spiritual being if it was standing right in front of you.  It's easy to say that now, but when it's actually standing in front of you is another story.  If you don't become paralyzed from fear, hyperventilate, or pass out, I highly doubt any of you would even be able to think.  A person can be the toughest guy in the world, but when you come up against something thats so mysterious and supernatural, the tides turn.  Trust me, if you ever witnessed somebody being harassed by one, or have yourself, you'll know how EXTREMELY scary it is.  Some of these responses disgust me, because of the little knowledge that the people actually know of the subject (and people have no real experience).  After you witness somebody almost die by one of these things, tell me if you'll be as upfront.

yeah...band-aids, pats on the head, and blindfolds don't work in this realm. neither do crystals, sea salt, candles or tearful prayers. i've pretty much come to the conclusion that there are two types of people. those that know they're under attack, and those that don't know they're under attack. things are picking up and we're going to start hearing a lot more about neg attacks and abductions, etc. it's part of the awakening. a lot of people are still too busy trying to fit in...they're too DISTRACTED to pick up on anything that involves the high senses. plus a lot of people are sucking down sodas, and fast food/on their cells or plugged into television, games, etc/and on med's. there are a lot things out there that are/were developed to NUMB & DUMB down the populace. if someone is coming under attack...i believe it is bcuz they are waking up and tuning in.

it's funny that that was the huge cultural slogan thirty years back...
tune in/turn on & drop out. people started waking up in the 60's and severe steps were taken to shut them down! it's happening again, and it's overdue...but right on schedule at the same time...and don't doubt that the methods of dis-information are keeping in step to keep you feeling crazy about what your sensing!

confront them! you'll find you have to anyway. it's something inside that'll drive you. a survival skill. i feel that it can be a godsend in a sense. that although the challenge is drastic and nearly life threatening...it WILL make you stronger! think of it as a virtual training course...like bootcamp. use it to find your inner strength. i can't give much advice as "how to", bcuz i've been under attack for 30 years. i can't use that as the basis for what is happening now. it's constantly changing and increasing in complexity.

i suggest watching 'the matrix" series a few times to get a sense of the "program". although just knowing the basic premise is enough. neo is the chosen one. we are all the chosen ones. the "smith" program was out to destroy him (negs). they don't go into his life prior to "contact" from the other side, but it would be safe to say...he FELT it. the presence of the neg's...lurking all around him. he was aware. he was probably also anti-social and drained, and confused by the world around him. the idea that on one hand it was all so simple. get up/work/make money/spend money/eat noodles/sleep. on the other hand something FELT wrong. the truth...where was the truth? then he has to come face to face with the negs and all he can do is run. his new friends even tell him this. "if you see "them" do what we do...and run your butt off"! but there was morpheus who guides him...and he learns that his mind is in the way. he has to let go of everything he knows and keep his mind open. the only thing that keeps neo ALIVE in these encounters is that his so called "free-will" keeps him UNPREDICTABLE. the negs have a very sound idea of human behavior as a whole, but one on one...they have no clue how you will REACT. (reacting NORMAL is a death sentence). as neo opens his mind more and more...he begins to understand his immortalness in this realm.

when you're plugged in you can die if you're killed in the matrix, but neo questions that. why? my physical body isn't really "there" so why...even if i'm shot, or my head is cut of, or i'm under water without oxygen...why would it effect "ME" physically...when it is only my mind that's involved?!?
this is the huge turning point for neo. when his chi expands to encompass him and his presence becomes UNLIMITED. this is the point where the tides turn and you free yourself from the program...but it's not suppose to be easy...not mentally/physically/emotionally/etc. it's a crash course in waking up and getting in shape for what is to come. in the end neo is able to apply the same open-mindedness to his physical life as well. that no matter where you "think" you are...it's just another level of the matrix, but that's for later.

right now...find yourself. find your inner strength!!! the physical world you are in now is "designed" for nothing except making you weak, confused and compliant. that's why it seems so drastic...these experiences. bcuz it's not easy to wake up from this sleep! anything that makes you feel weak, tells you to close your eyes, or live in light-fluffy-bunny love...is not your truth.

be cautious of the "solutions" that will use up your vital energy in distraction. the reasons these are so key is bcuz you will spend countless hours, weeks, years attempting them, and each time they fail...they will make you feel weaker and more alone. sure love is a great concept, but in the program "truth" & "love" and all those things are implemented to keep people wanting. in the matrix these things are NEVER ATTAINABLE. they're not written in...you just keep searching and searching. the flaw in the program is that that searching if open-minded enough...will being the awakening process. there are little side programs developed to curtail this, but once you find your path...IF YOU STAY FOCUSED & DON'T RUN AWAY FROM IT/FROM YOURSELF...SOMETHING BETTER THEN ANYTHING YOU KNOW HERE>>>IS WAITING FOR YOU!

this is all about you. how you handle it is your choice. get plenty of rest, eat well, spend as much time with the elements as possible. water, earth, sun, wind...are the most incredible healing powers that exist. i am not saying it's going to be easy...it isn't. again, you are in a crash course for waking up and GROWING UP, and it isn't a growing up that has anything to do with age...only wisdom.

i'm still here if you need to unload.
sister soul :wink:

the word NEG is a label. becuz on the surface that it what it seems to be about. "pointless negative attack"...however under the surface it is all beyond words. these are not NEG's. they are the greatest lessons you could ever hope for...becuz they lead you to your truth! IF YOU STAY FOCUSED ON THE BIGGER PICTURE. don't get sucked into denial, don't get sucked into the battle, don't get sucked into anything

Quoteyeah...band-aids, pats on the head, and blindfolds don't work in this realm. neither do crystals, sea salt, candles or tearful prayers. i've pretty much come to the conclusion that there are two types of people. those that know they're under attack, and those that don't know they're under attack. things are picking up and we're going to start hearing a lot more about neg attacks and abductions, etc. it's part of the awakening. a lot of people are still too busy trying to fit in...they're too DISTRACTED to pick up on anything that involves the high senses. plus a lot of people are sucking down sodas, and fast food/on their cells or plugged into television, games, etc/and on med's. there are a lot things out there that are/were developed to NUMB & DUMB down the populace. if someone is coming under attack...i believe it is bcuz they are waking up and tuning in.

I'm not quite sure what you are meaning here.  Do you mean the reason why some people do not experience all these "neg" attacks are because they are not quite tuned in yet?  Tuned into what?  The darkside? *insert Darth Vader breathing* :P  I'm allowed to say that..lol, due to you using the Matrix as a learning tool.  

I've had only a handful of negative experiences, the worst being a Incubus.  I believe this is due to my fuzzy bunny mentality...:lol:  I just do not have time or patience for this darkness in my life...period.  So, I don't experience it very often at all.

Yet some people thrive on the feeling, (the rush if you will) that being in danger causes.  To some it might even be exciting allowing them to be drawn into a vicious cycle.  Feeling the victim yet not able to turn away from it.

I've always found it very peculiar when someone has been attacked over and over again with no relief.  IMO, that will only happen when someone really doesn't want to get away.  

For they are not only getting something from the negative experience's themselves, but the gratification from the attention and sympathy of others whom feel their plight.  Hence the vicious cycle ;)

I couldn't agree more when you said "don't get sucked into the battle, don't get sucked into anything" Very wise words indeed!

Nay

I have been face to face with a shadow being before and I will admit, at the time it was just about the scariest thing I have ever encountered.  That was when I felt powerless to neg forces and scared to death of anything supernatural.  I feel confident in the fact that the original poster has enough experience with them that they can stand strong or atleast make a good effort.  When all else fails pretend you know what your doing is my motto.  Even if your about to wet yourself you can still stand tall and act strong.

I'm not sure what this was... but my friend said that he saw the shadows following me.... he described them correctly, but.. one thing.. I'm extremely puzzled about...

He said their aura was.. pink!? How the heck does THAT work? I mean.. pink aura is usually associated.. with good things... I asked him "are you sure it wasn't like.. red or something?" cause that would have made a little bit more sense... but PINK?

I'll try to open my mind and stuff... but it is a little difficult when three of them are watching your every move... especially when I'm in my bed about to fall asleep.. not a very comforting thought knowing and sensing they are there watching you...

See... I've been thinking lately.. and there is this... spirit or something that seems to be... controlling these three shadows... like they are his henchmen or something... This... "spirit" (I'm actually not sure what the heck it is...) Seems to.. er.. taken some kind of interest in me.. I don't know what type it is, but apparently I fascinate him... I saw him a couple times in great detail, other times.. just sense his presence or his outline...

Basically what he looks like.. is.. hes tall, red eyes, jet black hair, pale, wears black.. hes good looking, but creepy at the same time....

I think he has something to do with these shadows... *I KNOW something weird is going on with these shadows and this guy.. I think they are somehow connected...

I'm trying to think.. how do I fend them off.. scare them.. if they.. well.. they aren't really afraid of me...

and then I think... hmm make them scared? Does that mean I just imagine things about them.... make them.. 'feel' my thoughts and stuff, and scare them off.. or do I actually have to fight them.. as in try shooting a psi ball at them or something...

They have done some very odd things.. and have made hints about trying to harm me.. and are becoming more aggressive... but I'm still thinking about how I can get rid of them...

The advise I'm getting is great.. but if one thinks about it.. its like you said..

they aren't of THIS world...

In a way its like... you look in the mirror and see your reflection. How do you hurt the reflection?

You can't break the glass or go through it to reach it... so how can you do anything to it?

Trust me.. I want them to leave me alone... but they are like.. drawn to me or something...

And still I wonder... pink aura!? what the heck?

hello nay.  :)  first let me say that i'm flattered that you read my post. it was unexpectedly long, and yes you got my meaning correct, and no i'm not putting anyone down for being too busy or absorbed elsewhere. for those under attack...that distraction or ignorance (if you will) can cause a good deal of envy. you know me...i'm just always trying to change the mood of the 'victims' to something a little more creative and efficient; keep them moving in their thoughts so they don't get stuck on any one belief or idea. keep heading down the path. there's always a way out of everything, and where it involves focus...it also involves just as much non-focus (for lack of a better word). sometimes walking away from that math problem for a while...is the only solution. i also want to make clear that no one is "immune". that people aren't being singled out and attacked bcuz they're bad, or weak, or special or crazy, or whatever.

i know what you feel about me being under attack for so long...i can sense it, and it's okay. you are very correct that people can get addicted to the high of victimization and the attention and sympathy it garners. it is a very detrimental position to hold...one that people can't wake up from until they completely bottom out or worse! this was very likely my position in the early stages (i think the mentality is hereditary :?), but i never talked about it with anyone, not at all really until a few years back. so attention from outsiders was never my goal. it was more of a self-sympathizing thing...still detrimental none the less.

it's a funny place to work from, but it seems to be my path for now...and that is why i still walk the beat in the astral ghetto. like a cop sees a lot of crime, disturbance, death, attacks, and negative elements...and i suppose one could question their motivations, their mentality for subjecting themselves to that, but it's a calling. they might be putting their life on line everyday, but it's that one person they save or help out of the dark that makes it all worth while. that is how i have come to deal with my attacks. i figured i was in it. so i might as well try and accomplish something in the process. you can think what you will of me...i don't blame you for being suspicious. it's only what works for me. i'm just a soldier.

knightlight made a good point. sometimes pretending you know what you're doing is more important than anything else. project the energy and the rest will come/fall into place. neo had to believe he was the one in order to be the one. it's still another belief system you can get trapped in, but for now that is not a factor.

q: (without having to read through a bunch of posts) do you AP or lucid dream?

i am all too familiar with the "masters" of the shadow tribes. they can be very intoxicating and passionate...and don't doubt their intelligence. they like young rebellious girls and strong-minded women. they love a challenge, and if they've 'picked you out of the crowd' you're gonna have a hard time turning them off. they see the real you, not the persona or act that everyone else gets. they might even/most likely see something that you don't even see yourself. you've got your own personal 'stalker' that works outside the rules. this is what can easily break someone down. the stress of being watched, being hunted. the only thing you have to work with at this time that might be of comfort is the obvious. with all his abilities he is unable to physically manifest for a long enough period of time to take you. it's impossible! neither can his minions carry out this bid. so in that...although it doesn't seem like much compared to all the mental abuse...know you are ultimately safe.

the only way to harm the reflection in the mirror is to harm yourself. THIS IS NOT AN OPTION! they may plant ideas in your head that it is a way out, but as i mentioned above...that's bcuz you would then no longer be in the physical...and you would be trapped for sure. i believe this is the direction for many people under obsessive type attacks where there is a bidder. that each and every move is made to break you down. make you more and more depressed and unable to cope. and eventually out of sheer terror and frustration...end it all. i am mentioning this only bcuz it is important to look down this path and see that two paths are actually super-imposed upon one another. one ends nowhere, the other leads to a higher function and freedom, and for a long time you may not sense a separation. you're mission is to do whatever it takes to sense the patterns and subtleties between these two paths. it's not always a higher and lower road. sometimes the dead-end path will appear most attractive, make the most sense, and seem easiest. you have to feel it!!! you can't see it with your eyes...only sense it with your heart and you eyes wide shut!        

where your intentions lay is key. if you want to get out...you will. and as nay so wisely pointed out...if you get off on ANY OF IT...you're trapped!

i have total faith in your heart.
yes it sucks, yes it's hard as sh*t, and no it's not fair...but just think that you are one step ahead of all those that haven't begun this trip yet. when you get through to the other end...you'll be there to help others and take their hand. once you have come out the other end you will have learned to let go of fear, doubt and disbelief...you will have freed your mind.

this is what i mean when i say there are two types of people. it only makes sense that those who are not under attack will push slightly away form those that are under attack. they will throw out antidotes and labels and work to define dysfunctions of the mind...but this is where the line is drawn. the ones who are under attack are dealing constantly with fear, and utilizing everything they can to dispose of it/avoid it/fix it/make sense of it (it consumes them)...in the end the solution is simple. let it go and you are free of it. the people that have not yet experienced these attacks in full have their trials ahead of them, bcuz instead of truly knowing fear, and that there is nothing to fear except fear itself...bcuz they avoid it or are too busy. they're only postponing the inevitable.

There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path :!:
soul
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couldn't find much on the pink auras. all searches kept mentioning "immaturity" and i my experience that would make sense. a lot of shadow negs hold very low positions, and carry out bidding to raise their status on the ladder. not sure of course.

here's a link to the only site i could find that offered definitions of aura colors in both the positive and negative.

http://www.wingsofspirit.co.uk/aura3.html

Hello Souljah,

Nice post. :)  Yes I both project and lucid dream.  I'm not familiar with this shadow tribe you speak of.  Not quite sure what to make of it.  I will call myself lucky for being oblivious. :P

Take Care,
Nay

sorry, that question was for silent shadow. i wanted to know how experienced she was at projection & control in her dreams.

333

Quote from: Souljah333sorry, that question was for silent shadow. i wanted to know how experienced she was at projection & control in her dreams.

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Ahhh...  Understood. :D  

Nay

I've been trying to project.. no such luck yet though... I've had a couple lucid dreams... some dreams that tell me the future.. but other then that.. no  ^^;;; I'm just a beginner..

And having dreams that tell you the future equals no luck for you?  Don't cut yourself short Silent :)  

Dreams unfortunatly are at the end of the totem pole for most. Not for me though.  They, to me are the most direct flashes of what is going on.  No matter if you remember ever little detail....what matters will come through, and if it doesn't ....then it wasn't meant to. :)

Of course I'm biased, I love my dreams. ;)

Nay

aiy.. I got... it really bad this time.. throughout the day.. felt like crying.. and then.. like.. felt like was drained of energy... body hurt..  really stressed... and like now.. everything seems steady again... but i barely have the energy to sit up straight... feels like a work out to simple just type... and my head hurts.. these things really drained... me this time... any ideas on how to regain energy? besides like.. sleep... I mean.. they drained me so much.. its sad.. I'm like struggling to open a Gatorade bottle... and sit up.. ah.. and I can't tell my mom why I'm so drained.. she'll think I'm crazy... so she's just gonna think that I'm drained from one dinky.. tennis practice... how convenient... I have to BIKE to school *need energy*, and I gotta bike back.. and I have to play tennis... so much stuff to do and I feel like I'm about to collapse... x.X

Sorry to hear this Silent.  Without sounding too rude, welcome to the real world. :)

It is when you understand that everything isn't about...well, you get the real picture.  You have to think of the other side of the coin once in awhile.

I wonder if your mom has ever told you that she is so drained having to deal with your quirks?  I'm thinking not.  that would be hurtful not to mention hateful to say.  I could be wrong and you might have totally terrible parents, if so forgive me my little spill.  But I'm thinking.....the other side of the coin my friend, the other side. ;)

Nay

wow...i think that's two pages now and nay and i still seem to be in agreement! :wink: yes dreams are the BEST! they don't need any scientific explanations, research, surveys...no one agree. nice personal, splendid dreams (even the rough ones).

exhausted?!? yeah buddy...join the club!!! try 30 out of 36 years. i don't even know what it's like to have energy anymore, or be enthusiastic about things. could just be getting old though?!? i already mentioned...get lots of sleep, eat really well and drink lots of water! that's about all you can do. there's something i'm going to share with you that i doubt will be helpful. you probably won't be able to sleep a lot. i couldn't...and i tried. it seemed to my parents like all i ever wanted to do was stay in bed, but i wasn't sleeping! it was another way for "them" to get in to my head, a more direct way at that. this is where things get tough. a vicious circle. the more i tried to sleep, the more i was attacked, and the more i wanted to sleep. there was only one thing that worked to curb this. i would lay in bed with my eyes shut and visualize whatever was pleasant to me. i was in my preteens/teens so a lot of it was dreaming about boys! :roll: like a surreal date. what he was wearing, what i was wearing, where we went, what we'd have for dinner, the kissing, etc. every single detail i could think of and all the dialog that went along with it..i'd go for about two hours like this. i guess it occupied my mind and put me in some kind of happy/trance place where i could fall asleep. this way i could at least get three or four hours in. i did this every night. it seems that the attacks were the worst just while i was falling under/asleep. that semi-conscious state. if i just laid there in the dark waiting to fall asleep...i could feel them moving in around me. i guess most kids have t.v.'s in their rooms now days...but i'll also warn about that. i think that electrical stuff is utilized somehow. easier to transmit or something?!? i don't just turn everything off...I UNPLUG IT!!! computer, tv, lights, no electric clocks, etc. it does seem to help a great deal.

do you feel electricity in the sheets when they're there? i can always tell when it's going to be a really bad night, bcuz there's this wave type feeling to my mattress, or like some giant snake is slithering through the insides of it, and all my hair stands on end, and i can actually feel the sheets floating over my body, and little sparks of static. it's bizarre!!!

someone mentioned that violetsky @astraldynamics is working on their case of attacks. you might try asking her for help?!? i don't have the ability yet to direct my energy like that. i do rescue work, but i've always just opened myself up to whoever's calling (human and non).
might be worth a try?!?

soul
333

Man... I really wanna get rid of these things.. I'm so drained...

Hey is it possible that they can like spit/spray stuff on you? Earlier today I felt the presence of the 'shadows' and well.. I felt it.. spray something on my face.. and it stung/burned! What could that be?

venom? :wink:

ecto-plasma sorta makes sense... hmm but venom?? I know I said earlier how it felt.. but I'm just wondering now how they got it on me... one of my friends won't leave me alone with it.. keeps on saying "AHAHA! IT P*SSED ON YOU!" -.-;;.. obviously I don't think so.. but still can't help but wonder if they really "spat" on me.. *i think they did though*

I agree with Souljah. I'm 13, and I can see how serious this is just by how big of a deal Souljah made out of it... I remember seeing something like this on a Ghost TV Program. They're obviously evil. I would try just willing them away, or like, getting some sort of religious object... Like, an Iron Pentagram, a Crucifix. They're all good. But, take this seriously, I mean, look at all the time Souljah spent with that post. From what I've read, only you can control your body. So, if they  do manage to possess you, they can't FORCE you to do anything. But, if they're all planning to attack, and you're not ready for it, see ya later bro.

Hell I know what these things can do. 13 ey? I'm 14.

I know that I'm not as experienced as Soulja333. but over the past 1 1/2 years; I noticed what these things can do. And you know what. I'm not stupid. If I didn't think they were a threat, do you really think I would ask for advise on astral pulse?

I maybe be young; but I am not dumb. Confront these things now, I will be skrewed for life. I am not ready to "kick their asses"

You say you have seen some stuff on tv... but have you really seen these things, face to face.. staring each other down? I DON'T THINK SO!

I am stubborn, I don't get scared easily, I have a strong will, and I cannot begin to describe how powerful, detailed, real, everything... my imagination is off the charts.

And the stare down that I had with one of these shadows sent chills down my spine. Terror screamed and shouted throughout my body. I didn't show the expression on my face. I didn't even allow the 'top layer' of emotion feel it. deep deep down i felt the fear; *I know how to mask emotions really well*.. and I know that the shadow felt my fear even then...

Let's see you try to kick its butt when you are paralyzed in fear.

I know, that I have potential to be extremely powerful; I know. And I know if I can get the hang of these... "gifts" I can get rid of these things.

I KNOW I CAN!!! There IS a way. I can feel it. There IS a way you can harm them; and leave them unable to reach you. I have that hunch that it is possible. And my hunches are almost always right...

There just has to be a way... dark vs light.. perhaps some kind of a light spell... some sort of channeling light... to the dark.. light energy; to make the darkness fade away; or at least hurt it that way; but can only can you attack them when shield is mastered....

My next question is; any ideas on what could get rid of a 'shadow'... I know that faith, love, and happiness, pisses them off a lot and may leave if its strong enough... but its still.. seems too easy; its not enough...

Soulja333; I don't remember if you have already said before; but what have you tried to get rid of these things? And how do you know what types of energies make them 'excited'?... if energy can have such.. great impact on how they... react... maybe...

o... An attack that is fueled with emotion; sorta like bait... and then... well since they suck up energy... well maybe that emotion that was put into the bait.. will drive them insane from the inside out;

Its not a very detailed... explanation of what I'm thinking up right now... but... its the.. general idea... kinda; I'm not entirely sure how to put it into words; I have it all written out in images in my head x.X... well.. anyways...

Another question.. a lot of people say.. kick these shadows asses; but.. how exactly would you plan to do that? surly you don't think that you are strong enough to wipe out, 3 minion shadows, a shadow master, and reinforcements; still have enough energy to protect yourself from anything else that might approach, be energetic for sports, school, and friends...? I'm betting you need to be pretty skilled to 'kick butt'.

There is always a way to harm your reflection. And you don't have to harm yourself in doing.

It IS all an illusion. Anything is possible. It is possible to win by force.. I know it.. and I'm gonna find out what it is...

You certaintly have a potty mouth for a 14yr. :(    My 14yr fusses at me when I let cuss words slip in front of him.. I think it makes him feel bad.

Wish you all the best in fighting off your inner demons.

Nay

yeah; maybe I'll fight these inner demons off later; right now i think i gotta get rid of these shadows that could be feeding these inner demons to grow; feh... it is rather frustrating ya know..

Not if you allow it to be frustrating..;)

Nay

Dear SilentShadow, I been reading your post from day one, and everybody has given you very good advises, I guess when the light grows inside ourselves we become a filter for these kind of negatives energies, maybe is a way of life to balance itself. Once I have this weird dream, I was in some kind of warehouse, and this lady was showing me some kind of demonic doll ( weird ) suddenly the doll jumps out of the box nailing hers claws into my back, that scare the sh*t out of me and woke me up only to find that someone or something was pushing me down ( physically ) at that moment I was facing down as I always sleep and I was feeling the weight pushing down hard my body, I have to physically fight to get this "thing" down of me. The next morning I had pain all over my back. I have a friend who is spiritually awake too, who has have a similar experience in the days that this event occur to  me. What it was I cannot tell you, the only thing that always worked for me is Love, no matter what the problem was, love give you understanding and understanding takes away the fear.

Take care and good luck.
Love & light

Well I wish you would all join the talk in the forum pertaining to phasing. There are a few folks there who believes that its all in your mind and all you have to do is to ignore these things and they will vanish.

It would be interesting to discuss this with you

Regards Mustardseed

MS, stop being passive aggresive..sheesh, sweetie are you bored?  Did your thread die down and you are now seeking out another "discussion"? ;)

And Silent Shadow, I meant "don't allow it to be frustrating"  

Nay

first off you have to unblock your chakras and clear energy channels to lessen the effects of negative enregy, using bruce NEW method would be sufficient:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/

you are quite battered, to maintain high energy level you have to seal holes in your aura and restore proper energy flow:
http://www.chioshealing.com/index.htm
and:
http://www.joyofsatan.com/
see meditations

i suggest reading entire chios site and meditations and spells chapters from joy of satan, eventually join hell's army chapter for offensive tactics and  "Meditation Training for Spiritual Warfare", combat is useless in the long run IMHO, didn't work for me, nor i am a satanist

i will add more, if you have time to post you have time to read ;)

Ok; so I tried the sharp iron thing... did all the steps... and stuff... was creepy experience... yes i did get tons of ectoplasm on me.. -stung-... but.. turns out I don't have any white sage... and.. I don't think I got them all that day.. and... about 2 days later... *today* one comes back to find the others "dead"; I get a big hunch the "master" is still out there somewhere I think...

Um.. but what happens if I don't burn white sage? -the sharp iron thing really worked-

OK... Ill check out the sites when i can.. and post about it... right now i g2g to bed XD;;

Dear Nay
No not passive aggressive nor bored, I am however interested in this issue as it is one of the reasons I asked in the other threads. How do we say to people that this is only created in their mind, and not real per se, where does it "fit" and as Adrian and Frank seem to have some interesting ideas what would they counsel Silent Shadow to do That's all. I find it both relevant and proactive. A bit frustrated and I could do better on presenting my point without irony, sorry about that. I guess I am just "worried" I will be met with aggression .

Regards Mustardseed

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Nay :)

And there it is :roll:

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Awwww, I was just playing MS.. :)  It's just that it seems you aren't going to get an response, so letting it go would be the next thing to do...don't cha think?

Nay

Yea I guess you are right Nay. It seems that I am being "Frozen out and silenced to death" ha. It appears that you all are fed up with my questions, and since you are the ones running the pulse I am history, and I suppose you all say good riddance of bad rubbish.

I can live with that but as I said earlier it used to be a much more open and congenial environment.

Regards MS

Well Tom I have my own opinion of why, and I guess you all do as well. It is not so unusual in a strictly controlled environment for opposing ideas or questions and the ones asking them to suffer such a consequence. You might say that the AP is not a controlled environment but I beg to differ. Ideas are real things Tom and just like in any political party business or group be it a Church synagogue Mosk or otherwise, anyone seen as challenging the accepted ideas of the majority often becomes the focus of a lot of negativity. Everyone wants to be on the inside, and part of the fellowship, and ones loyalty or adherence to the accepted norm leadership or ideology is often boosted by taking potshots at the common "enemy" or antagonist.

I think it is a very effective way to form neg attachments. Gossip in secret, PMs in this case, are one of the ways people communicate. It seems that it is human nature, and the pride of man, in any case it becomes increasingly harder to be in opposition to the accepted norm, and eventually people either apologize and are let back in the circle or they keep on with what they do and are frozen out.

It is a very interesting way that some people are able to control a group of people and sort of freeze the status quo, and the funny thing is that people don't even see it happening, as they are so elated being with the in crowd, and relish socking it to the offending party, receiving pats on the back from all their "friends".

Basically I questioned Phasing as an explational model for life, postulating its merit was mainly in the actual tecnik, but it has severe gaps and contradictions and seems lacking for anything else. For this I received a series of very condescending posts and as I rose to the Bait (silly me) I was finally put outside the door, after receiving a PM from Frank telling me not to ask him any further questions. He considers me a trouble maker and a troll. :roll:  as do most of the moderators by now......wonder why!!!!

I know that your question was rhetorical but this is what I think happened anyway.

Regards Mustardseed

Ok, so I tried that stabbing technique... and the shadows left for a while...

But.. now they are back... and angry. (but now there are only 2... I think I got rid of one completely)

Did I do something wrong?

have you adressed things in you that manifested the shadows in the first place ?

What do you mean by that? You mean figure out what draws the shadows to me or something?

exactly
and the first explanation rarely will be the last

Silent Shadow. Build up your awareness hand's this strengthens visualization of the stabbing technique. Hope this helps.

Dear SSSilent SSShadow,
 Sorry for the delay in reply to your questions...Hurricane Dennis decided I could use a little down-time from the internet. Went through an interesting 15 days of withdrawal  :shock:! anyway have no idea what happen with the powers that be and MustardSeed?!? I won't bother getting into how I feel about the idea of it all being in people's heads. You know it's real...I know it's real, and that's all that matters now. My reply (if I had been around) would have proceeded RunLola's tactic on a full-frontal attack. Unfortunately this comes too late...it won't work...not in the long run...it'll only make things worse, and I worry you are realizing this now. Forget about it. No harm done, just a regrouping of all energies involved. Destroying one makes the others stronger. Sort of dissipates and is absorbed by the others. You know the way people take shots for viruses...a little of a dead or semi-dead virus will make them immune?!? Same thing. The poker won't work again. Try it and see. They up their game, as you up yours. Even if you managed to find something that destroyed them...whoever is in charge or fascinated with your beautiful and unique essence will send in stronger, more organized replacements.

Reading through the last pages of posts I picked up two things...1) You're not completely validating your experience which came across in need to prove that you're not "stupid" (or crazy), and 2) that you aren't ready to "combat" these things...in that there is a strong message that has nothing to do with you being "weak". It's you're subconscious intelligence about the situation shining through...obey it! Do not waste your energy at this time making them in-fact...stronger than they need be.

I will write more later on today. Have to work now.
Just wanted to let you know that I'm still here for you.
It's most important that you FEEL smart, balanced, in-tune, aware, etc...then it is to have others "believe" it. Do whatever you need to do FEEL this about yourself for true. That's the most you can do right now.

Be back in a bit
Love Soul

OK well, I am extremely inexperienced in this, but depending on your religion.

Well, if you are Christian, why do all these techniques? Command then to go away, "Ye are Gods" you have control over them, and they are only inferior to you in every way. Try Preying, maybe try to speak in Tongues. (Tongues is one of the smaller gifts for faith in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Everyone can do it, they just have to try and let themselves get baptized within the Holy Spirit.)

Well, just to elaborate, God gave us all full control over our minds. The Astral, these creatures, psychic abilities, all manifest here. Your mind is like a TV, if you don't like what you are seeing/experiencing, you can turn it off, you can destroy these beings by just focusing on them going away. You are their superiors, you just do not believe it to be that way.

:D

back again. was doing some pretty hard labor in 104 degree heat yesterday and had to recoup. didn't get round to posting last night.

psychic defense is my area of expertise (sort-a-speak). although the word "expert" is a poor one. it's a messy labyrinth on endless levels, and it draws on everything that exists, so even though i have a great wealth of experience in this realm...doesn't mean i know (edit). i do know that one thing it never is is black & white! it also doesn't follow human rule or laws, although it does utilize them extremely well. it has nothing to do with organize religion either, as religion came after the fact to help downplay this path to power. magic, mysticism, healing, divination, intuition and the like all got lumped together into the "evil" category with the goat-like god...men with power were tortured and slain, women with power were stoned, burned at the stake, and eventually over time all super-natural things were "cleansed" from our minds.
i'm not anti-religious...i just stress natural intelligence over any implied system, especially those under male governance. if it is important for one to consider them-self a christian, or buddhist, a muslim, a hindu, a satanist... whichever...if one wants to worship in a temple, or pray for assistance from the powers that be, dedicate their life as a missionary, etc that's all well and good, but it has very little if nothing to do with finding control over ones life. it is important to understand that religion is in itself a crutch; working to make people "dependent" rather than self-sufficient. people can argue all day about government as well, and which side serves better, but it is the same male-based, implied system that exists for nothing more than control, and dependence of the people...all leading away from our individual power.

we have a long way to go to work our way out of our dependence and bring back the skills that are rightfully ours. humans have this tendency (program) to "think" themselves at the top of the list, top of the food chain, top of the pyramid, etc. "god gave us special privileges and "rights" to do whatever we want and always come out on top"...so not so!

this is where i see that most people finding themselves under attack are actually in a place of enlightenment, but there's too much to it to explain it in one post.  it's also an area where i feel that the physical, astral, and extraterrestrial overlap. many people are opening up to many other levels of existence at this time and since GOD is typically viewed as the creator of ALL things, then it is complete ignorance to believe that this GOD exists in all absoluteness for us "humans" only.

those under attack are suffering a severe change in their perspectives. it's nothing we are capable of closing our eyes to, and my personal opinion is nor should we. it's difficult in any situation to have your mind "torn open". people who have undergone kundalini awakenings may understand this, but in the long run it is well worth the trip, the dedication, the work involved to get through to the other side...if there is of course a "final" destination. keeping the mind, the eyes, the heart open at all expense...that is the lesson that makes us stronger. in the beginning it comes across as "attack", because it "threatens" all we are "comfortable" and "familiar" with. in the long run it is something very different indeed... when you are capable of standing in a place outside of yourself, when there is no longer a desire to take everything "personally"...then there is no such thing as attack...and oh so much room to grow.

y'all know me...i can go on forever about how it all works, and none of it is relevant in the end. don't trust my words unless something feels right for i am only a messenger.

in this physical world people like to believe that they are in control, that it is their "natural" god-given place to rule and it's all so straight-forward. if you don't like job = quit, if someone is abusing you = leave, if you're sick = take medicine, if you're fat = go on a diet, etc. all so simple and clean cut, but the criticisms, judgments, remedies and solutions are so quick to roll of the tongue...in actual application they are far more difficult to carry out.

we DO have the ability to manifest whatever we need or desire, to heal and balance and re-create ourselves and the world(s) we live in. i'd hope that most people that have experience in the astral have a basic understanding of this. it does not come however through a weak mind, a lazy disposition or complete dependency on physical systems. only those that are capable of "letting go" and "putting aside" themselves/all they know and understand/all they think is going on...only those that open themselves up, or have agreed in the beyond to be "opened up" and remember to honor this agreement will move forward into this place of higher power. i hate to use guns as an example, but since this is a place to discuss "defense" i suppose it's fitting (and simple). i sit on the fence as far as gun-ownership is concerned, but i can say that it makes sense that the only people that should "own" guns should be mentally fit or compassionate people that are well trained and experienced with them. i would not like to walk around in a place where guns were handed out to every man, woman and child without a great understanding and respect for the tool they posses. the same goes for all powers "outside" the physical. if every tom, willy and harriet had to power to do whatever they pleased...things would end in total chaos.  

there is a reason that people dream, fantasize and play pretend. there is a reason people are drawn towards magic, the idea of manifestation and ultimate control over their lives. the ideas of being able to teleport ourselves wherever we wish, heal things with a thought, and step into some perfection of function physically, mentally, spiritually, etc. it is a semi-subconscious connection with a higher aspect of ourselves. we sense it, and it is there always for our utilization...however the steps and lessons involved in regaining that power is by no means a simple task. being a "good" person, going to church, having "faith", being open-minded, being "objective", serving and sacrificing for others whilst maintaining an open, balanced self, and a respect for all things...is all just the tip of the iceberg. lessons, lessons, lessons, and the experience that is gained from it all...constantly testing our strength, our wisdom, and FLEXIBILITY to "see" if we are able to handle "our" true power.

man...can you tell that i miss posting?!?
enough rapping on this...i'm sure.
for as far back as i can see, humans have been ripping through the gifts like depraved children on christmas morning. it is something of a higher function to stop every now again to reflect on all we have been given, and give everything a chance to fall into its "naturally" place...including us. i very much think we have forgotten something vital, and we search for it so very desperately on a daily basis. it is so subtle a thing that may only appear when we stop searching and quiet ourselves, and how ironic that we live in a time when the path towards that power is the opposite of "normal". for all the mysfits, weirdos and freaks...who are tagged as imbalanced, crazy, depressed, anti-social, introverted, over-the-top and too much to handle...know that if you are capable of juggling ALL of it, and not so much "protect" yourself from the normal, acceptable, status quo of others, nor protect yourself against all the new information that is streaming into you as your channel opens up...but instead devourer it, digest it, take what is useful of it at the time and keep rolling along...then you are well on your way to a place where the average folk can only EVER dream of.

my 25 cents.
soul333

in regards to C_P's comment on peoples minds being like a TV...that is a sensible analogy, and it works to a point...as far as changing channels are concerned...but i will protest on the idea that "we" are in COMPLETE CONTROL of our minds. WE ARE NOT...not at this time, not in this way. we cannot be the TV, the "PROGRAMMERS" & the "VIEWERS" at the same time (not in this physical realm that we insist we rule & occupy). that is part of the illusion that keeps us from waking up. once one begins to open up, and finds themselves under "attack"...every channel contains the same information, the same lessons...in various scenarios. once you begin to tune in, your frequency changes, and you begin to receive more channels from other stations, other programmers. it can and is a most complicated position to hold and maintain wellness, but "turning off" is no longer an option. you don't grow and learn and develop by turning off, numbing down, or BLOCKING! period!!!

yeah...do you play RPG's, read comic books, shop at wal-mart, masturbate, or have bad thoughts about other people?
ever flipped someone off? naughty-naughty!!! no dabbling in the etheric!
you might accidentally flip a switch.

god lola...you come across like some kind of nsa agent. silent is capable of thinking for herself. right?!? i mean you insist she is in ABSOLUTE control of her own mind, and then you follow up by telling her how she should be thinking.

she's already being stalked/attacked it doesn't get any worse than that (not really)...so what we are dealing with here is tactics for coping and moving on, not backing up and pretending all of it will go away. that's like being terrorized by a dog that has you cornered in the yard and everyone on the other-side of the fence yelling instructions at you. "the dog doesn't exist!" "you are in complete control!" "don't give your power away!"
.................yeah, right.

silent, the possibilities are up for grabs...follow your heart. in that much i think lola and i are on the same page, but i stress that you open your mind up to something beyond good and evil, where everything collides into some neutral zone where nothing is right or wrong...just different. it'll make what you're going through easier to work with. that was really my only point. if someone was beating the excrement out of you, or stalking you in real life...i'd tell you to call the cops, invest in a security system, buy a rottweiler, but we aren't dealing with the 3rd dimension here. i wasted a lot of time applying 3d rules to my situation. i don't want you to do the same. i'm pointing out options and that is all. i'm showing you doors...walking through them is up to you. i will remind you to be leery of ANYONE that stresses that they know exactly how it is, what it is, and how it should be dealt with. never trust anyone that says they know!
some people can't see past the choices they don't understand :wink:

other then that it's wide open.

time to come into your power baby. no doubt about that, whether you feel ready or not. it's no ones place to try and rescue you from yourself, not until you have fully explored all it has to offer, and if you reach the end of your rope you can always follow it back. god has your back, and if not that then at least trust in your higher-self which is an aspect of the "almighty". you wouldn't go to a mechanic because you had a toothache. i urge the same common sense here...inexperienced solutions are cheap.
take time and be patient with finding information that FEELS right. i'm not discounting anyone's input...just take it all with a grain of salt.
the way will come. always.

total respect
soul333

defensive lola?

i'd like to say don't waste your time defending something that you needn't have personalized in the first place (what i offered was for silentshadow not you), but since you insist on always coming at me with the same dull energy then maybe you'd be willing to waste a little more of it in explanation, rather than retaliation?!?

what on earth leads you to believe i'm schizo? i'd ask you to back up your position on how you absolutely know for sure that you are in control of your mind...but we've been down that path before, haven't we?!? never did get a solid explanation on that one. i'm guessing it's because it can't be proven?!?

convince me...don't just throw a handful of words.
i know you want to be "right". i can feel that. i have no idea what to do about it however. i can't make you feel right. it's something that has to come from deep inside you and fill you up. when you really get to a place where the truth flows forth in unlimited supply...you'll no longer have a need to attack, and separate yourself.

love & light :wink:
soul

okay...so what if i told you that i was schizophrenic, and that it was a very debilitating disease for me, that i'd suffered terribly as a child, and have considered killing myself several times because i saw no hope for myself???
what if your snide little useless comment happen to catch me on a really, really bad day, and just because it was more important for you to puff yourself rather than continue with any "intelligent" information...
i offed myself over it?

isn't there some "maturity" gauge for being a moderator?

anyhow seems you still can't answer the questions. doesn't matter anyway, because i don't believe in schizophrenia, and as far as insisting that your mind is your own and you are in complete control of it. you can have that! i'll actually go as far as agreeing with you (in particular), because it's obvious that it's something you very much need to believe in. i'm not sure it's anything worth bragging about mind you. you want your mind to be a steel trap that nothing gets in or out of? you want to believe you hold the keys? fine...keep reinforcing that wall and hopefully you'll always be safe and happy. my mind however is a park, a playground, a free and open space, and a wonderful river of intelligence runs through it.

i'm not concerned with petty things like right and wrong, but feel free to unload whatever garbage is getting backed up behind those walls. i'm sure it proves necessary at times. i have no problem composting it all and turning it back into something useful.

you win by default because there's obviously no competition here.
salute
333

Quote from: NodesOfYesodI love you Girls :D

I'm still looking for a emoticon that envolves two cats tearing at each other...;)

Seriously though, lets call it a draw and move on, ok?  I really don't feel like pulling out the BIG claws, they're so rusty of late.  8)

Nay

i don't care if my post was deleted. i don't need to know why, but i would appreciate knowing "who".

possible:?:

Souljah,

It was me that did it and for good reason.  I figured I didn't need to explain, that you would get the hint.  Stop fanning the flames or I will lock this thread.

Nay

you know...this is the only forum i post to where people have to PM me in support of what i'm saying. i find that really strange that members don't feel comfortable posting whatever they wish to. my last post wasn't an attempt to fan any flames...that's something that doesn't need assistance here. it's a point i have wanted to make for a while now...this "marking of territory" which i am assuming is what got the post deleted. i just don't see the necessity of jack boots and the patronizing chit-chat. it was a call out for something intelligent, but alas...no response. just a demonstration of authority over a harmless member. i've offered a lot of myself here, and none of it has been detrimental or meaningless...or worthy of being trashed.
i'm not a trouble maker by any means.

i make one justifiable comment and you're going to lock a decent and helpful thread to many? that's a reasonable soul-ution??? hmm. doesn't seem right to lock "silentshadows" thread when the moderators issues are with me.

seems it would be more in keeping with this forum to ban me altogether?!?

it's your call nay.
i think i offer a unique and helpful perspective to this forum, but maybe that's threatening?!? i think an explanation was necessary. i think the micro-managing gets a little too much. obviously there is not enough flaming taking place...so it's taken to a lesser level. whatever fills those hours.

333

Souljah,

Sorry you took my last response to your post as an invitation for a debate, it wasn't.

Please take Runlola's suggestion and move on.  Let's see how good you are at taking a hint when it is presented in a matter of a fact way.

Nay

Confused? @.@

So... block them out.. or.. something about neutral zone.. erm... x.X... I guess this'll take me a little time to sort out everything... seeing that I haven't been on the forum for a little while... come back with like... 16 posts to read or something like that... haha =P... well lately they haven't really bothered me; used to follow me around and stuff non stop... now its just at night... I'm sorta afraid of practicing to try to get an OBE or AP...

Just sort of curious.. are these things really evil... or is it just the only way they know how to live? Maybe its just a mind trick... I dunno see the other day.. I was riding my bike home and at the stop light ahead of me I saw/felt the shadows floating above some object on the floor... I could feel its gaze on me... When I got to where it was; I looked down and saw a big; pretty, yellow flower. People passed by the flower; you would think someone would have taken it; but I just got one of those hunches; as if it was speaking to me... saying that it was for me...

I took the flower home and put it in a vase and let it be in my room....

.... was that not a good idea? To take a gift from... a shadow?

~Silent Shadow

oh yeah... I forgot to say in my  last post that the flower also looked/felt evil... *goldenrod yellow... not sure what type of flower it was either...*

... just.. why would a shadow want to give me a gift?

Hello Silent Shadow,

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So far, prayer is the best thing that works for me... but I wanna get rid of these things... And I got that gut feeling that there IS a way... cause nothing is impossible... btw, thanks for all the help I've been getting so far.

Then use it!  Prayer can be very, very powerful.  Most people probably have no idea just how powerful prayer can be.

What is your religious background?  Do you ever attend religious services?  If so, how often?  This information will help me to tailor my suggestions to fit your particular situation.

Best wishes,

Phil

P.S.  I live in a haunted house, so I have a little bit of experience in dealing with unwanted invisible guests.

Hello Silent Shadow,

Quote from: Silent Shadow
Just sort of curious.. are these things really evil... or is it just the only way they know how to live?

Yes dear, they are evil.  I don't mean to frighten you any more than you already are, but these beings are what are commonly referred to as "demons."  You can also call them "negative entities," a term that doesn't have any religious connotations, and which may be a more apt description.  You said yourself that they are disgusted by things such as faith, love, and hope.  You shouldn't need any more proof than that.

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I took the flower home and put it in a vase and let it be in my room....

.... was that not a good idea? To take a gift from... a shadow?

~Silent Shadow

I don't know, but it probably wasn't a good idea.  Since we don't know what its motivations are regarding the flower, it is better to err on the side of caution.  I would get rid of the flower.  At the very least, you should not keep it in your room.

Best wishes,

Phil

SS
You have received excellent advice to date.  Work with what you have been taught; and I do have one tidbit that may help.

Years ago I had numerous confontations with an agressive spirit in my house.  The final night of our ongoing confrontation occured when he was harassing my infant son.  Upon entering the room to see what had the little guy so terrified I saw him.  It had breached the final boundary.  I lashed out with a mental curse, attracting it full atention.

After that it would not leave me alone.  I closed my eyes, focused, and visualized a long flexible fluid object.  When I was ready I lashed out with it as if it was a whip.  You must concentrate and maintain your focus.  I missed on the first attempt, but on the second I could feel that I found my target.  Never bothered us again.

Don't give up, you are stonger that them.

I have been having a little bit of trouble with shadow people as well.
For the past 2 months are so I was suffering from severe depression. I also had mysteriously stopped projecting, but I guess thats normal to happen every once in a while.

Anyways, after 2 months of no projections I had a RTZ projection. I flew out of my house and began flying down the street, when I saw 1 shadow person infront of a neibhours house. It moved at extreme speed and I think it had ran from my house and followed me. I started to lower down to the ground but then my projection ended abrubtly (another problem I was having prior to the OBE's stopping 2 months earlier).

I researched and found out that 'Shadow People" are a common manifestation.

About a week ago I was lucky enough to have another RTZ projection. I remembered the shadow person and when I was in my front yard I called him out. I then saw him creep out of my garage. I tried to build up energy in my hand and then jumped at him and punched him in the heart chakra area. I remember it felt like punching jelly and my astral arm went right through him, then the projection ended again.
Since then the depression has stopped.
I don't know if these things are real demons or if they are just thoughtforms, but from my experience they can effect your physical life and I think they can be killed or at least scared off.

Hmm.. seems that depression is something of a key issue in dealings with the 'shadow people'? I've been depressed on and off (nothing too serious) for years, but had no prior experiences like this before.

My experience with the 'shadow people' occurred about a year ago. I was in bed, reading a book when suddenly I got this intense feeling that something other than me was in the room.
I could easily place its location in the room, but I didn't dare to look that way. But even though I didn't look that way, I could see the entire room before me and see the outlines of a shadowy 'being'. No introductions here, I just felt intense energy directed towards me, I would describe it as 'negative'. It felt like the energy was about to get inside my head and do.. something, I don't know what. But I wouldn't let it and I resisted, under the pressure that if I "let go" it would probably kill me.
It felt like this went on for hours, but in reality it didn't. After a while I could feel the 'pressure' getting weaker and then disappear. I felt the 'being' was gone, but some of the bad energy was still in the room.
After this first encounter I've had some other experiences with 'attacks' on me, but with knowing what I was dealing with I fend it off with prayer and one time I got mad and did what another poster suggested; made fun of it.
I have still to face attack by multiple of these beings, and I'm not looking forward to it... but I think I can handle it, learning from my fears the first time and knowing that there is a way to "scare" them off. Just have to remember that I'm a divine being that is capable of sending whatever that is back to the lower dimensions of hell (or where ever they are coming from) :)

all right, Silent Shadow here again...

OK, so, you're Guy's advise was great.

It got rid of them for about 2 months.

I am not entirely sure if these are shadows that have returned... well *the shadow master is still here.. i KNOW that.. he just wont leave T_T even after I kicked all of their negative butts mentally and made one disappear forever, but now they are seeking revenge, so basically, I'm thinking...

... um, am I screwed?? well I have gotten stronger, but I think so did they.

Well, lately, this is what they are doing..

They are slowly coming back, currently all living in my closet (yes sounds cliche but, its called cliche for a reason)

Well I have these dreams.. well long story short

Its like basically like clones of the shadow master... but even creepier, they roll around alone and stuff

But they have eyes  like O___O that are burning with evil, hatred, and death... violence.. and the want for revenge

and they are sorta stalking me... (they wont let that image leave my mind) I try to block it, but then i feel something negative, so they send it back into my mind

.. its a lot creepier then it sounds...

well anyways, any ideas on what this is?

Is this the return of the shadows, or something negative coming after me?

(FYI: my room, even people who aren't "aware" can feel these evil things in my room)

Any info welcome

~Silent Shadow

My sincere advice, and I believe so strongly in it that I will guarantee it will make 'them' go away forever.

Stop thinking about them. If you think about them anyway, tell yourself they're not real and also make them into a joke. Stop being afraid. Believe you cannot be hurt, and that they and anything else cannot do anything to bother you. Be strong, be unafraid, be confident, and be light-hearted. If you're faced with them anyway, simply calm yourself completely and be at peace- in doing so they will be effectively neutralized.

Dear Draege,

Your sincere advice is useful, but not in this situation. I would be correct in assuming that you have never been under full blown demonic attack before, correct?!? In this realm the logical rules don't apply. No harm in trying, the suggestion is made often in this forum, but typically from those who have no idea how terrifying or bind-blowing the whole experience can be.

Dear Silent,

Sorry to hear that things are continuing, and possibly concentrating. You don't have to tell me about the closet...i know very well! You are correct about becoming stronger, and their ability to match that. Not sure if you remember me saying that the 'tricks' only work for so long. That you'll find something to alleviate the attacks, which will work for a while, and then they'll build up a resistance to it. It's actually a fairly symbiotic situation. You must remember that you are doing the same thing...building up a resistance, and becoming stronger with everything they try as well. In this light they are not all powerful...or all evil. You can forget about that, as it will only stagnate your mind with fear.

I had also mentioned that the lessor shadow beings...'the watchers' as you were experiencing in the beginning would lead way to more intense creatures. There isn't any comfort in that (of course), but know that you are not alone in this. There are many people that are going through the exact same thing, seeking solutions and answers and being consumed with it all. In this sense Draege is not wrong, where you will benefit from not "fretting" about it constantly. I know this is really hard. My attacks are not anywhere near as intense as they use to be...but I do remember how it effected all areas of my life. Not being able to get a good nights rest is also a real problem that compounds over time.

You might consider heading over to AstralDynamics and speaking with DarkKnight about some anti-static sheeting that a few are experimenting with with some success. also a thread there about "pumice" that might be worth reading. i really think you should consider finding other forums or 'support' groups that can 'relate'. you need to talk to other people that are going through the same thing you are. It really doesn't help to be around people that will always lean towards the mental issues &/or religion, faith, etc. Those are all givens & they're not cures as I'm sure you are realizing...you need to be involved in collaborating on something that really gets results, and may help others down the road.
I think it would help to put things in a better/more productive  perspective.

Anyway...you might also take some time to meditate on when all this began. Really look into that question...and be aware of what comes up.
I really feel this can be "key" to finding a solution.

Respect
Soul

Quote from: Souljah333In this realm the logical rules don't apply

Its been my experience that demons must follow rules too.  Mabye not all of ours but they are not given total controll.  And once a human is in that 'realm' we can break rules, so its really an even playing field.

This is just MY perspective on it.  Im not saying that youre wrong.

wasn't going to bother posting again, unless silent shadow was in need of some more support...but, what the hell. :wink:

WF,
i meant the logical 'human' rules don't apply. of course everything appears to fall under universal law, but that wasn't my point. my point was...just bcuz black is black, & up is up, and right is...well. i'll leave that one alone. it can be very much "through the looking glass" when traversing the astral. everything one "thinks" they know about here and now...can in fact cause problems in the thereafter.

and as far as the playing field is concerned...i'd have to say from personal experience that it is far from even. though i feel this where are differences in opinion cross paths. control freaks (as you like to insist i am)( we all are to a certain degree. if you can figure out how to dispose of the ego &/or fear...you let me know! :roll:) anyway...humans will typically enter "unknown" situations utilizing what they consider to be sound logic (if they are in anyway conscious at the time) and in a round about way (although putting their best foot forward) are in fact limiting their abilities. i don't accept that this can be 'taught'...it seems more applicable and comfortable when it's learned first hand. sure it can be all be equal, as well the tables can be flipped...but it's something that can only be experienced. the words mean nothing.