if there's one thing that the etheric animals hate is being constantly bothered.
just keep at it and eventually they'll find less resistant prey
my negs come up from the foot of my bed,except one that comes from across the bed. The one that comes across my bed,stays beneath the blankets and beneath me,and makes my side or back hotter than you know what.
The others walk all over me,and either suck on,or stab and suck through various parts ... usually joints: elbows,hips,etc.
I really hate it when they latch onto my ear,as it feels as though my head is on fire,and about to explode.
haven't 'seen' them,but sure would like to get rid of them.
what is SWP? ... I'll probably find it right after I post this.
Also,I seem to have at least one attached to me as inside of my left upper arm is always hot,and so are my left side,my stomach below the navel,and the lower part of my back. These areas are also very sensitive to heat.
Reality sure isn't what it used to be!
Sigh!
Tom
Can I ask the obvious question: Move?
Try www.astralhealer.com for some generic wards/excorcisms/cleansings
If nothing proves effacious PM me and we may be able to pull a bigger hammer out of the metaphysical sack [xx(]
whats a neg cause i think i know what they are las night my pillows started pushing upwards then i thought really hard what was happening and it stop
tried saucer of salt,with a side of rosemary.
had a quieter night.
invisible munchkins arrived as soon as I hit the sack,but where fewer and less annoying.
Thanks all!
Tom
I wasn't willing to try more 'eccentric' tchniques but I found odourless garlic capsules effective for a mild neg problem. (Basically really weird nightmares waking up into sleep paralysis and seeing astral spiders befire waking up fully.)
Also, if you break the capsules you get odourless garlic juice which is less smelly than the fresh stuff :-)
Odorless garlic is considerable less effective, since it's the sulphates you want in the first place.
So cast a salt cirle around the bed, use some cinnamon incense, and a little sage and rosemarry (properly charged) in the corners. Also cast a 6 point ward before actually sleeping. make yourself some ward stones, charge tehm and place them in at the compass points.
That's all pretty basic.
properly charged ?????????????
cast a 6 point ward ??
as in just stand there,and draw imaginary 6 point shape around bed,by pointing and thinking about same?
salt circle:
must be a particular thickness, and/or unbroken?
large bed in small room [room would be larger,if bed where smaller. at least haven't lost sense of humour.]
o.k. to sprinkle salt over edges of bed,so that it lands on floor?
line would be uneven and broken,but a humanoid would still consider it a line/circle/rectangle.
Tom
if someone had told me all of this stuff a few years ago,I would have laughed in their face.
I worry about all of the people who have no one to turn to for help.
Tom
Odorless garlic is considerable less effective, since it's the sulphates you want in the first place.
Most current ones preserve the sulphur compounds after the 'de-stinking' process.[:D]
T49
Sorry, I'm posting cross-dscipline suggestions again.
A 6-point ward is the 4 compas points, above and below (go E,W,N,S,Up,Down). Build energy, visulize a ball in each point, then mentally connect them, then make it opaque (don't connect E-W/N-S/Up-Down). You can dump a lot of energy into it. It should look like a sphere or an 8 sided dice (your choice). It's not permanent, but it can help. Ward stones are physical objects you place in the same locations (4 is more commone). There is prep work to cleansing, making, and charging them, but it's not complicated. Tehya re permanent, but need re-charging if they are working overtime.
Salt circle is a Wiccan discipline. Basically you draw a circle with sea or kosher salt in a DeSoil pattern around your bed (which often means moving it away from the wall). There are some prayers to make, asking for protection(up to you and your beliefs). Picture the circle as a solid white wall stretching up fillied with the white light of goodness. Emagine nothing bd can cross the circle.
Cinnoman is a good insense to ward off nasties, so is burnt cloves. Get some Rosemary and Sage, meditate and power up, "charge" the spices with "good" energy, then sprinkle some of each in the room corners (and under the bed can't hurt). Picture serene thoughts while doing so.
Hi
Its a little bit of work, but a good suggestion is to run a water hose, the bigger the better, under your bed coiled several times in large loops, out your window to a spicket and out again to drain. A small pump $45.00 will circulate the water easier. They can't deal with running water espeially in a good volumn. A garden hose is nice and cheap, a smaller 1/4" hose works to. If its bad enough you can buy a couple matress pads and acually run the hose under the pad, sleeping directly over the running water. Also the body markings Rob Bruce mentions in his book psychic defence are very effecive. Get a simmering pot and boil some fresh garlic. And they cant stand childrens nurcery rymnes (sung by children), or bright white light.
And do not be afraid of them, They need you, not you them. They are the weak ones, groveling in the dark like roaches.
good luck
i'm not real keen on neg defenses, but the ones above sound pretty good. I know that Robert Bruce SWEARS by the running water tactic, so i say go for the water hose. Heck, you might even want to pump in a full-fledged holy water filtration system, decorate your bedroom with garlic and salt, and call upon every Angelic Being and Guardian you can think of. In the end, the negs are illusory, even though the fear they generate can feel very real. You ARE stronger than them! You are an immortal Being of incredible power, and they're not.
Thanks for all replies!
As a general response, I can say that I've tried many of the methods mentioned by RB in his book, but most of these seem only to work temporarily.
My apartment has two strong negative leylines, I can feel them clearly.
A friend who is a sceptic came over to my place, and I told him to try a stand where these lines go (one crosses my bed) and he said that he experienced fatigue and he said that his knees felt weak.
When I stepped on to the place which I have found to be positive, he felt a marked change.
Negs do use negative leylines to attack on. The psychic healer I consulted told me that there was a disturbed place in the west also, and that is where the negs reside.
My regular performance of SWP (Setting of the wards of power, the banishing ritual of Aurum Solis), brings a clam to my apartment but the negs just keep waiting for any crack in the defense to attack.
I think I've got alot better in handling the obsessive thoughts as well as turning round induced images, one of them revealed a horned very ugly neg that looked like a cross between an ape and an butt.
Also I've recently discovered that I have an attachmnet point in my perineum.
While vibrating SHADDAI EL CHAI, as well as forming a pentagram on the area, I experienced spasms, as if something was disturbed there.
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Originally posted by Mathias Jonsson
My apartment has two strong negative leylines, I can feel them clearly.
A friend who is a sceptic came over to my place, and I told him to try a stand where these lines go (one crosses my bed) and he said that he experienced fatigue and he said that his knees felt weak.
When I stepped on to the place which I have found to be positive, he felt a marked change.
Negs do use negative leylines to attack on. The psychic healer I consulted told me that there was a disturbed place in the west also, and that is where the negs reside.
A while ago a group of us with interests in the strange visited an old church which stood on ground with a lot of history of occupancy over many centuries. One of the things we did was to dowse and produce an energy map of the surrounding area.
When we came together to compare notes people noted that the group shuffled about until we were positioned in an energy line clear area.
Since then we have studied any number of such concentrations and find as you do that entities will group at locations within these energy networks and project themsleves from there at locations that interest them.
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Originally posted by narfellus
i'm not real keen on neg defenses, but the ones above sound pretty good. I know that Robert Bruce SWEARS by the running water tactic, so i say go for the water hose. Heck, you might even want to pump in a full-fledged holy water filtration system, decorate your bedroom with garlic and salt, and call upon every Angelic Being and Guardian you can think of. In the end, the negs are illusory, even though the fear they generate can feel very real. You ARE stronger than them! You are an immortal Being of incredible power, and they're not.
Ofcoarse I have no real evidence to offer here, but I can tell you from experience that Negitive entities are by no means illusory a figment of imagination, or otherwise the production of the mind. They are quite real, as real as I am, or shall I say, the effects they have on very real objects is as real as any effect I can exert on them. I have a very active imagination but never before has it minipulated objects in the room and our hallway. As far as their power I am by no means, arrogant enough to guess at its extent, in this plane or any other. I know I have in the past been very much so heavily influenced and minipulated almost to the point of controled by these creatures and if that is not power I dont know what is.
Ok i had negs big time once every where i when now there mostly gorn.
neg live to harm and to cause suffering. what u have to id is not let it bother u when it comes 4 u try not to cair about it better yet lern to love it 4 evry negitiv action it takes return it with a positiv action or thought if you presis with this and show no fear or weekness just love it will evenuatly leav or better yet it will become somthing butifull[:)]remember[:)][:)][:)]
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Originally posted by runlola
Feng shui came to mind so I looked on the internet & I came across this:
feng shui has advocated that a path should be crooked and winding, with the objective of preventing a malevolent spirit force from travelling down it. Otherwise, a straight path should have a spirit screen placed across it, or be guarded on both sides by spirit guardian sentinels. All these feng shui measures will not only keep the evil spirits away, but they will also enhance the beauty of the landscape!
I attended a feng shui talk and much the same was implied. After they got by the 'as above so below' bit i.e vertical energy flows they then went on to talk about energy flows in the horizontal and my observation that much of feng shui seems to be about avoiding and/or deflecting energies rather than opening up to them.
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I also read that you may be able to cleanse the leyline by focusing positive energy into it so then I found this:
I tend to do similar, create and push an energetic plunger type shape along the energy line to flush out the detritus.
Have tried physically moving them but they tend to drift back over time unless frequently watched. Cutting them has a longer effect and also the detritus contained within can be moved to a place of safety.
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I would like to photograph the morning after neg water. Does anyone know how to photograph ice crystals...what kind of stuff would I need? thanks!
- microscope
- glass slides
- walk in freezer ... make friends with local butcher [:D]
a chest type freezer will do. that's the one with a door that opens upwards. you'll have to stick your head in it ... nothing personal [:D]
prepare slides: clean with alcohol.put drop of water on one piece of glass,and cover with 2nd piece of glass. leave in freezer.
microscope should also be in freezer,or heat from room temperature microscope will melt ice sample. wear gloves to protect sample from body heat.walk into,or stick head into,freezer to view.
be sure to take pics,and post here.
Tom
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Originally posted by GANAMOHA
whats a neg cause i think i know what they are las night my pillows started pushing upwards then i thought really hard what was happening and it stop
guess we all thought that someone else would answer.
you've probably figured it out by now,that they are bad ( negative ) spirits. mine aren't mean,not counting the discomfort that they cause,just hungry for energy. ... after reading some of the other posts,guess I should consider myself lucky.
Tom
P.S.: how are you and your pillow getting along?
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Originally posted by Dorian
Hi
Its a little bit of work, but a good suggestion is to run a water hose, the bigger the better, under your bed coiled several times in large loops, out your window to a spicket and out again to drain. A small pump $45.00 will circulate the water easier. They can't deal with running water espeially in a good volumn.
I hear ya buddy!
When i was in Tibet, i was walking in the Himalayas minding my own business when i pass by a mountain stream falling down from the highs... twas a mighty stream, wide and swift, the thing about it, there was a HOUSE built right over it.
I stoped and decided to chat with the occupant who turned out to be a Nepalese male in his early 30s. We smoked a joint and talked about this and that. No i didnt ask him how much he wanted for the house, looks like he lived there all his life in the midst of nature... such house would be a priceless psychic clinic dont you think?
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Originally posted by runlola
take a picture through the microscope?
wonder what kind of microscope would I need?
is this going to be really expensive?
even a kids' microscope will do.
to take pics,you will need a SLR ( single lense reflex ) camera.
if you need to buy a microscope,wait until Sears brings out their xmas catalogue. they've had some neat microscopes in there in the past.
i.e.: a scope with a magnifying screen. get one of those,and you can use any kind of camera to take a pic of the screen,instead of having to make an adaptor to connect to scope. they had another model that plugged into your computer. ... and this stuff was for KIDS!!!
Tom
I was planning on writing an article or two,for one of my sites,but there is so much going on that I've decided to build a separate site,and keep a log there.
www.Paranormal.AccessTheWorld.com
I should have something online by Wed. Aug 4.
Don't go there just yet,as I just took a page from another site,chopped the content off,leaving just an ad,and posted it.
I am not having fun. Everything that I try,seems to work for only a day or two.
Tom
P.S.: Mathias,
How are things going for you?
Hey err wtf? lol Im a noob to forums like this, but I've experienced astral projection. But I don't think I'm really followin yall. What's a neg? A demon? And all these ways to get rid of them, is all this witchcraft? Sorry fer my ignorance on the subject. A quick explanation would be nice. ;) thx
neg = astral lowlife,or sometimes just an energy leech
demon = lowest of the low. a real badass mother .....
see articles: http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/articles.htm
Astral Beings & Wildlife http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_1.htm
Basic Psychic Countermeasures http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_31.htm
Tom
Thanks for the links. That helped alot. Has anyone met up with a demon?? Is it possible to get stuck in the astral world? Can you meet a freind you've never seen before through astral projection even if that friend doesn't know how to project? I have so many questions. I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me out.
I'd suggest that you load your printer with paper,and start printing,and reading. Also spend a few days reading the posts on this forum.
People will help you,if you try to help yourself first.
Many here have been into this stuff for years,and are still searching and learning.So don't expect to learn everything in a few days.
It's quite a journey.
Enjoy the ride.
Tom
to whom it may help tell good and bad to go away from so you can help your self to find peace you and not with them go away demons and angels from me thats why i use ammonia and air cleaners to change room powers keeping them from staying with me and to yourself i am in control of my life.
Hi Eric!
ammonia is pretty wicked stuff.
how do you use it?
do you just put some in a saucer,and then close the door for a while?
Tom
My negs reside under my bed. Once I saw it (with my astral sight) as a circular opening with tentacles reaching out of it.
How do I seal off this negative point of entry? I've been thinking of making a large pentagram and putting it over this point.
I've tried pots of water with peppermint, cinnamon, etc. they lessen attacks for a night, not much more.
I do perform SWP ( A:S: banishing ritual) every day, but the negs I have are damn stubborn, they wont leave if they aren't forcefully exorcised.