The Astral Pulse

Because I still have ongoing entity problems that seem to have been attached for some time. I found this Shaman that seems to really know what he's talking about:

http://www.azizshamanism.com/

I have ordered a full shamanic blackthorn bead necklace at £100 and he has also made me what is called an Angelic Khodam for extra strong protection, amongst other things, at £300. (See his "Magickal Items" on his website). Info about Khodams here:

http://www.indotalisman.com/Khodam.html

He's also going to scan my aura for attached spirits and remove them (exorcism). The tree spirits in the Shamanic necklace, and the Angelic Khodam, are there as kind of personal psychic body guards to stop any spirits re-attaching and block any further psychic-attacks.

If I'm going for it I may as well get the full treatment.  :wink:

It is a 4 and 1/2 hour journey either way costing me about £80, which leaves me about £10 to my name for 2 weeks. It's a bit of a gamble spending all the cash I have on this but I need to at least give this a shot to see if it works. I may be too tired to report back by the time I get home tonight, but will certainly do so tomorrow. Wish me luck.

Quote from: McArthurBecause I still have ongoing entity problems that seem to have been attached for some time. I found this Shaman that seems to really know what he's talking about:

http://www.azizshamanism.com/

I have ordered a full shamanic blackthorn bead necklace at £100 and he has also made me what is called an Angelic Khodam for extra strong protection, amongst other things, at £300. (See his "Magickal Items" on his website). Info about Khodams here:

http://www.indotalisman.com/Khodam.html

He's also going to scan my aura for attached spirits and remove them (exorcism). The tree spirits in the Shamanic necklace, and the Angelic Khodam, are there as kind of personal psychic body guards to stop any spirits re-attaching and block any further psychic-attacks.

If I'm going for it I may as well get the full treatment.  :wink:

It is a 4 and 1/2 hour journey either way costing me about £80, which leaves me about £10 to my name for 2 weeks. It's a bit of a gamble spending all the cash I have on this but I need to at least give this a shot to see if it works. I may be too tired to report back by the time I get home tonight, but will certainly do so tomorrow. Wish me luck.

You know, I would have done all of this for free. Shamans are healers, it's unworthy of them to charge money!

Now you tell me, I'm off in 20 minutes. And I disagree about charging (even though I'm the one paying!) because even doctors earn a living so why not doctors of the spiritual kind? If he had to have a normal job to support his family he wouldn't have as much time helping others.

btw regarding your help, have you stopped darknights problems? Or got any feedback I can read for cases you've worked on? It's just that if you can do this sort of stuff then I'll remember you next time I come across someone needing help.

Walk in Beauty

McA

Quote from: McArthurNow you tell me, I'm off in 20 minutes. And I disagree about charging (even though I'm the one paying!) because even doctors earn a living so why not doctors of the spiritual kind? If he had to have a normal job to support his family he wouldn't have as much time helping others.

btw regarding your help, have you stopped darknights problems? Or got any feedback I can read for cases you've worked on? It's just that if you can do this sort of stuff then I'll remember you next time I come across someone needing help.

Walk in Beauty

McA

My cases are quite private, you know that. If you want to hear thier stories on how I work go to GOM and ask. (You are still a moderator BTW, were waiting for you to come back.) Frankly, though, I wonder if you did the same check on this guy, cuase I don't think from your "I hope this works" that you did.

About payment, I have explained this hundreds of times, at least twice to each person I help. I don't want it from anyone. Sometimes if they have a skill like web design I will ask for thier help, if they say no fine but because of my help they usually are willing. The reason for this is that if I charged, some people WOULD NOT GET HELP. A good amount of my cases don't have a dollar to thier name.

Its partially true about being held back at a normal job, but research mental projection and franz bardon, also mind split or split awareness.

BTW: If you wish to know of DK, she isn't completely out of her mess but at this point, she can fight back, and she is more in control. Her case is a bit....special. I won't go into any more than that.

Good Day my friend, and good luck with your healing.

-Jason

I'm with the side that doctors shouldn't charge money, especially shamans. First off: it leads to doctors being paid excessively high salaries like they are today. This leads to a sense of envy and mistrust with the doctors. Then you have specialists like brain surgeons who get too much money. All health care should be government regulated so doctors get paid less! :p

hi mcarthur i hope it went well down in sunny devon! i was there a few weeks ago seeing peter, it was in fact from you (via dark knight) that i heard about him. I do thinkit is worth spending the money, as he spends a large amount of time working on these things and he's got a family so of course he can charge, what on earth would he live on if he didnt? i think people should not see it as charging for the skills he has rarther the time it takes to use them, i mean he is very busy all the time so the only alternative would be to be on the dole...anyway due to my wayward  ways and curiosity at uni I ended up putting a hole in my aura at the brow and bass chakra fron using disaccociative substances...a lesson leart but he was very nice, not at all judgmental, and as soon as he started working a got what felt like a muscle spasm by the upper thigh, which was the attacment fighting back! i had no idea i t would happen straight away!! Anyway let us know how it went, i might go and see him as I wanted to give my friend who is a new dad a protection bead for the baby.

I've chatted briefly with Peter Aziz via email once. He seemed like a nice fellow, and then by pure coincidence just a week later i saw him in a documentary called The Fairy Faith, where a filmmaker had recruited him to find fey in Ireland. As for charging, i'm in somewhat of a quandry about that. I'm not sure what the pound/dollar conversion is, but is Mr. Aziz making bundles, or is a reasonable charge for his time, effort and energy? On his website, it states that it can take many, many weeks to make the spirit-imbedded staffs. I don't know if he has secondary or tertiary income, but he has to make a living somehow. Then again, i'm thankful for people like Spectraldragon who are selfless with their time and gifts. You answered a lot of questions via Michael for me that were very useful.

I think the problem with spending money is that there are many frauds and inepts...the first exorcist I went to told me horror stories of people who lost their homes, life savings etc because they were desperate and had only the local swami down the street for help.

I'm sure your contact is a nice fellow, but there have got to be limits, and not everyone has money. Negs will often go after a persons luck and many people under neg attack lose a great deal, sometimes everything. Is a person's life worth turning away simply because they lack the funds?

I think I would just like to see more compassion and generosity for the suffering.

BAH...be a real man and do it yourself :lol: Suuuure its a little painful, but hey pain is only temporary

<im only joking, it really was hell>

Healing is as complicated as the ways people manifest illness.  Some shamen charge, some do not.  Some of it has to do with their traditions, some with their calling.

I work with a Sioux medicine woman from the reservation and she charges.  It would be interesting to hear from people who work with healers from the lineage of tradional shamanic practices -- I'm betting most charge in some form appropriate for the culture.  African?  South American?    

Life has balance.  For my personal healing I prefer healers I can pay because it clean up the lines that run between us and creates a nice closure to the event.  The Universe does not always support my perference and I am "given" to frequently.  

For most of my life, I believed like many writing here that while it was okay for me to pay for healing, it was wrong for me to get paid.  I much prefer a different job in a completely unrelated field.  

My guides kept hammering me until I agreed to try accepting fees.

I had mainstream professionals who wanted to refer people to me but who needed a culturally approved mechanism.  One of them . . .a hospital administrator . . . finally went ahead and referred to me, and then called me up and TOLD me what she had done, what my fees were, and what the mundane structure should look like.  Umm . . . sure, okay.   It never occurred to me that some of the people most in need of what I can offer are so culturally imbedded that they would have no access without a culturally understandable doorway in the fee structure.  

No sense in preaching to the choir, eh?  

The most important thing I learned -- not here at AP but in the more mudane world -- is that often the benefit people get is linked to paying for the treatment.  It's somehow easier for people to focus, prioritize, and make room for the needed etheric change in their mundane life if the healing is grounded for them in the mundane through the familiar mundane ritual of payment.  People are better able to benefit if they pay.

Weird.

What I learned for the effectivenss of my own work was even more interesting.  Before I started charging, I didn't think I was overwhelmed and burned out.  It didn't seem like I was working with THAT many people.  

WRONG.  

I learned that about 2/3 of the people I was working with were not getting well partly because they enjoyed the connection and the drama of healing.  They were accustomed to their pain -- it wasn't like they were masochists but there was often an unconscious level of acceptance, so that it was tolerable.  It was especially more tolerable than confronting the homeostasis that kept them stuck.  Then I would come in and do what I do and they would experince tremendous relief.  I was helping keep them stuck by reducing the difficulty enough that their boat could stay afloat.

They kept me stuck because I was constantly tapped out -- and I was so accustomed to being completely exhausted and tapped out that I didn't even notice.  Not to mention how much lifeforce I wasted trying to do mudane things that I'm quite frankly not very good at, just to earn a living.    

And as for those 2/3 that were not really benefitting . . . I didn't cut anybody off.  It's just as I started working with paying clients, I noticed the difference and changed what I was doing to be more effective.

I also learned that my personal world was skewed -- I was disproportionally attracting "Takers" -- people who experience power on the planet by compulsively "getting" as much as they possibly could grab without the needful balance of give and take.  There was no room around me for people with better balance.  

I work both with and without fees now, but I am CONSCIOUS of the difference.  Because I'm conscious and paying attention, I'm more aware of where the balance is for me and for everyone else.  

Also, there are many forms of "payment"  Some of my clients "pay" by keeping a prayer practice in place for my benefit in whatever form of prayer their personal tradition dictates.    

One last thought . . .with due respect to the many excellent people freely sharing themselves and their gifts here.  This is out of my own experience:  Money is less costly to the soul than the covert "deal" of Master/Student, Shaman/Sickie that can so easily create a hidden vampiric energy/confidence syphon in the etheric and trap the "Master" in an icon identity.

thank you for your insights, chimerae. I'd like to add that money in a sense is just energy, and that exchange might make more sense in some cultures/lifestyles than others. In the same vein, some people only respond to channellers if they are treated as children, as that is part of their learned response system. The same lessons must often be taught to different people with different methods.

QUOTE: "This is out of my own experience: Money is less costly to the soul than the covert "deal" of Master/Student, Shaman/Sickie that can so easily create a hidden vampiric energy/confidence syphon in the etheric and trap the "Master" in an icon identity."

And that i find very interesting.

Well I'm back. Let me just say first that the exorcism and healing session was free but I paid for the other items. The first time I saw him in 1997 I had a healing exorcism done for £20 and feel that anyone could be able to raise that amount, working or not (I wasn't working).

The healing session was really quite something and Peter is definitely channelling some very strong energies. He spent most the time with hands either side my head but I could also feel 'something' healing from my feet (very warm soft gentle energy). The entities didn't like what was going on at all, saying things such as "You bastard" etc. He was telling me what was happening as he did it. At first he flung one or two "Lower Astral" types (I will ask him more about this via email, I was so zoned out/ultra relaxed after the healing I couldn't talk much or think of what to ask) out of my aura but they kept jumping back in through the holes in my aura. So he then worked on patching my aura up first etc then 'squeezed' these entities out through one last hole (or something like that.)

I could feel them running around my body (well, it kind feels like outside your body maybe an inch above skin) as though being chased, it was very interesting. On my head I knew there was one entity because I had felt it there for a while (behind nose in nasal cavity, plus pin pricks at back of throat). And I could literally feel some kind of 'energy blob' being pushed out of my head by the area of my nose. He then corrected something in my aura and I was to sit upand let it work etc. I could feel most had gone but could still feel one left. Peter said the Khodam would be able to deal with that so we left it at that.

I have a small ritual I have to do with this Khodam to bind it to me that I was too tired to do when I got home. But I was practicing the mantra for it while in bed and could feel a very warm healing energy to the left side of my groin/thigh where I have some sort of wart. And fell asleep like that.

So next up is the Khodam ritual and to see if it gets rid of this entity that is left.

SD:

"My cases are quite private, you know that. If you want to hear thier stories on how I work go to GOM and ask. (You are still a moderator BTW, were waiting for you to come back.) Frankly, though, I wonder if you did the same check on this guy, cuase I don't think from your "I hope this works" that you did."

When I said feedback, I meant off those you have helped. Please don't take it as though it's an insult, it wasn't meant to be. I've visited Peter before in 1997 so know what he can do. And the 'seeds of doubt' are sowed by the entities. i.e. If you don't think it will work then perhaps you won't bother trying it.

"The reason for this is that if I charged, some people WOULD NOT GET HELP. A good amount of my cases don't have a dollar to thier name."

Well good for you if that is what you choose to do. One can still do that and charge normally for those who can pay. I feel that the paying part helps because it shows how much that person wants that healing.

BTW, my Angelic Khodam took 41 days to make, hence the price. It is made by, and linked to, five different Angels for protection, spiritual growth, magikal empowerment, enforcement of my will and material assistance.
The ritual I will be doing bonds it to me and blends it into me so it is always there when needed (by drinking part of it as well as specially prepared capsules with powders and magic script in them, plus specially charged seeds and water). Kind of like a spirit guide, except a designer one that has been invoked for specific purposes. Then one repeats its mantra daily to strengthen it etc and get to know it/work with it. It can be used to assist in the healing and exorcism of others.

Sounds too good to be true doesn't it? Well, i'll let you know.  :wink:

Li Yun:
"what felt like a muscle spasm by the upper thigh,"

Had you felt anything like this before you visited him? And yes, I was getting spasms, tingling rushes, cold and warm etc. I could also hear them as I am Clairaudient, and they didn't sound too happy about being kicked out of my aura (losing their food source). But as he worked away on the healing it got quieter and quieter as they left.  It was a very very relaxing experience.

Andromache:
"I think the problem with spending money is that there are many frauds and inepts..."

Yes, very true. Which is why feedback is important. And perhaps making a list of those who one feels are genuine. It comes down to trial and error at times but once you find the Real Thing(tm) then you can pass the info onto others needing similar help.

" Is a person's life worth turning away simply because they lack the funds? "

I don't think most healers would do that, including the guy I visited. I paid because I could. Besides, what I paid for are specialist items that take time to make, the healing session was free.

Sentential:
"BAH...be a real man and do it yourself Laughing Suuuure its a little painful, but hey pain is only temporary "

Interesting comment as I do still have to do some of it myself using the aid of my Khodam. I had at the time wanted him to do it all for me but it is probably wiser this way.

Chimerae:
Excellent post!

Sentential:
"BAH...be a real man and do it yourself Laughing Suuuure its a little painful, but hey pain is only temporary "

Just an additional comment: Exorcisms are not normally painful if done correctly. Mine was extremely relaxing with no pain whatsoever.

Quote from: McArthurSentential:
"BAH...be a real man and do it yourself Laughing Suuuure its a little painful, but hey pain is only temporary "

Just an additional comment: Exorcisms are not normally painful if done correctly. Mine was extremely relaxing with no pain whatsoever.

Mine was more impromptu than anything else. I'd rather destroy my existence than allow that filthy piece of **** to take my life. Thats just how I operate.

Plus it happened like a car crash. Everything moved so quickly that it was purely instinct. Much better than nothing IMO

QuoteI don't think most healers would do that, including the guy I visited. I paid because I could. Besides, what I paid for are specialist items that take time to make, the healing session was free.

I'm happy to hear that, but not everyone lacking money is a taker, anymore than everyone who is improverished is a criminal or drug addict. It's very unfair.

And many people can't tell the difference between a real healer and the swami inept down the street.

And in all honesty, there is one way to stop from being overwhelmed, you say, "No I can't right now" and you prioritize according to who is wounded more and who is less.

I'm happy to hear that, but not everyone lacking money is a taker, anymore than everyone who is improverished is a criminal or drug addict. It's very unfair.

And many people can't tell the difference between a real healer and the swami inept down the street.

And in all honesty, there is one way to stop from being overwhelmed, you say, "No I can't right now" and you prioritize according to who is wounded more and who is less.[/quote]

My God NO!.  Not everyone lacking money is a Taker!!!  In no way did I mean to imply that.  In fact, my experience is that it's the people with money who are most often begging piteously and sincerely for no charge support, because they can't imagine life with one jot less of their disposable income to support their various culturally approved addictions, many of which contribute to the illness in the first place.  

An "inept swami down the street" is no less dangerous at no charge.

"No, I can't right now" frightens off many of the people most in need of help -- they've heard "NO" too many times before and won't come back.  It escalates the Takers into upping the ante to make their need a higher priority.  Among suicides, some are those who hit the Wall and found no one there, some are people who were "crying out for help" and miscalculated on the timing of the person who was supposed to show up at the last second.  

And that is in NO way a critique of how desperate the point of suicide really is . . . the pain is real, even if it's a miscalcualtion.  The wounds are real.

I have had a terrible time with money.  Correcting that unbalance in myself has been and continues to be a part of my healing and growth process.  I would NEVER have tried Feng Shui if I hadn't been desperate for some quality essential oils that I simply couldn't afford.  The Feng Shui work I did, to this day still very rough and primitive, helped not only my prosperity but also positively impacted other areas of my life.

If we believe that the etheric can effect physical healing, why would we presume that the etheric cannot also help to balance our economic imbalance.  If we continue to be unwilling to heal our personal economies, how can we expect the larger world economy to get better?  If the "spiritually enlightened" refuse to get their hands dirty touching money, then we create a distortion where money can ONLY reside in the hands of the least enlightened.  

How benevolent is that to force them to carry such a burden?

Quote from: Sentential
Much better than nothing IMO

Oh yes, I agree. And you are lucky you were able to do it for yourself. I only mentioned it in case anyone reading got the impression that exorcisms are painful.

Quote from: McArthurSD:

"My cases are quite private, you know that. If you want to hear thier stories on how I work go to GOM and ask. (You are still a moderator BTW, were waiting for you to come back.) Frankly, though, I wonder if you did the same check on this guy, cuase I don't think from your "I hope this works" that you did."

When I said feedback, I meant off those you have helped. Please don't take it as though it's an insult, it wasn't meant to be. I've visited Peter before in 1997 so know what he can do. And the 'seeds of doubt' are sowed by the entities. i.e. If you don't think it will work then perhaps you won't bother trying it.

No offense Taken my friend, I was just saying I can't disclose that information without thier consent ;)

QuoteWell, i'll let you know.

Please do :)

Quote from: ChimeraeIf the "spiritually enlightened" refuse to get their hands dirty touching money, then we create a distortion where money can ONLY reside in the hands of the least enlightened.

Sorry to interject, but that was beautiful.

Anyway, for me the problem is trying to figure out if I genuinely need help or if I simply need to grow the courage to help myself.  A combination of the two, probably.  I keep looking for answers externally, I really should look for them internally.

I think what I really need is someone to help me help myself.

If you can't tell, I'm on the side of the suffering. As long as the suffering are treated equitably, I have no problem. Too often they are blamed for the inequality and no responsibility is assumed on the part of the people with the power.

It's as if it becomes the job of the suffering to make those in power feel comfortable, which I find disgusting.

Well I did the Khodam ritual, chanted for a few hours, and went to bed. As I was laying in bed I thought I would try and see if the Khodam was there so I put its bead on my brow chakra laying on my back. I hadn't wanted to talk to it via clairaudience at present because I have been fooled b4 by spirits pretending to be what they are not and the trauma related to those experiences makes me very apprehensive about opening up clairaudiently to any kind of spirit (the memories of the associated traumas give me a kind of anxiety--obviously a kind of 'Core Image' attachment that needs working on).

But I began to feel some kind of positive energy and heard a faint very slowly spoken voice that "felt" (it's hard to describe) ok. Plus various warm energy feelings in various places. So I asked it if it was the Khodam and I think it said yes (like I say it was very faint at first, especially because I wouldnt open up to it). I explained the situation of why I don't trust spirits etc and had a short conversation I won't go into (I was told things like "God loves you" etc.) along with very intense, but gentle, all over body tingling rushes. I then had what felt like a healing session done on me (I could feel very warm energy at my feet) and could again feel some kind of energy blob around my nose/nose cavity that was perhaps slightly throbbing and felt like the Khodam was trying to 'squeeze' it out. But as I relaxed this time I could feel that this blob of energy wasn't just around my nose. It was as though I was having revealed to me where else it was etc.

There is a line/cord of 'energy' going from my nose, nose cavity, down through the roof of my mouth to the back of my throat and out through the back of my neck (I have had a lump on the back of my neck for as long as I can remember). There also felt like connecting cords that led to my inner ears either side. I've attempted to draw what I felt and where (see link) with the yellow spots being the areas I felt most active (the one at the back of throat is around where I had been getting pin prick sensations.)
edit: The cord going to the back of my throat perhaps goes down to my throat chakra as I feel some kind of energy there at the front my neck also (where I have a small pink mole with a hair growing out of it).  It kind of feels like there is a tube pushed up my nose coming out at the back of, and down, my throat (as well as out through the back of my neck). And the point at the nose/cavity is slightly larger.

http://www.angelfire.com/me/kabakhu23/stuff.html

I have felt energy sensations in my nose cavity and  inner ears b4 but hadn't realized there was a line/cord connecting them until last night. I get a constant tinnitus white-noise buzzing energy sound in my ears that I feel is related to the attachment points there. So I've noted all that ready to work on it.

So then me and the "Khodam" (I'm still not 100% sure it was that that I contacted) said "goodnite". And that's it so far.
Oh! I told it perhaps it might be better to try and meet it Astrally or in a Dream and if it could help me get OOBE... it seemed to say yes...  and as I was falling asleep (I was quite tired) I "fell" asleep then a split-second later all of a sudden fully awake again... and not tired. Not quite sure what that was.

addendum to above: There also seems to be an attachment point in the centre of my chest/heart chakra. I've had a small grisly lump there for years also (tried the circled cross but didnt seem to work, although I perhaps didn't do it for long enough). I'm not sure if the others connect to that or if it is separate (I was mainly concentrating on head area last night.).

McArthur--

Aren't you even the slightest bit nervous about allowing another entity into your space?  After my experience, and hearing about yours, I would never do that.  

I contacted Aziz via email and he told me he would get back to me and then never did.  I assume a distance healing would not be near as affective, although I did send a picture.  I would rather personally meet my "healer" anyway.

Please keep us updated with your progress.  And if this last one does not leave, or more keep entering, let us know that too.  We are all learning how they operate, and the more truth we share the better.  Keeping silent is what keeps them in power.

All the best.

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Aren't you even the slightest bit nervous about allowing another entity into your space?  After my experience, and hearing about yours, I would never do that.  

Yes... but I'm running out of options and sick of having to put up with entity trouble for so long. So I'm willing to try almost anything. And it seems to be working. Khodams are sort of Angelic (or at least a kind of Light Being) and having had conversations with Aziz, and read up about Khodams, I feel pretty confident that he knows what he's doing and that it is safe. I guess it's a small leap of faith in a way but I've also followed certain signs along the way that led me to the decision.

Really, the most difficult part is making sure I don't open up to a neg thinking its the Khodam, as negs are quite good at pretending to be helping spirits.

If it was a spirit that just turned up 'out the blue' and claimed to be my 'spirit guide' I wouldn't want to know because that's how I got into this mess in the first place...   but this Khodam is specifically invoked to help and serve me and I set the rules etc.

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I contacted Aziz via email and he told me he would get back to me and then never did.

Was this recently? He's had some pc trouble.

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 I assume a distance healing would not be near as affective, although I did send a picture.

It doesn't make any difference I don't think. Healing is done from beyond space and time.

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I would rather personally meet my "healer" anyway.

Yes it's always a bonus to meet physically I guess. Too many hucksters over the net imo.

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Please keep us updated with your progress.  And if this last one does not leave, or more keep entering, let us know that too.  We are all learning how they operate, and the more truth we share the better.  Keeping silent is what keeps them in power.

Will do. I'm getting some insights today of how negs possibly somehow connect to the Central Nervous System, something which I think Robert Bruce thinks may be what happens in certain cases.

And there's something about Tinnitus I'm looking into...

http://tinyurl.com/3zgva
"but they were there all the time and were very disturbing in the beginning because they really knew how to get my attention!"

http://epl.meei.harvard.edu/~ral/LevineFremantle.pdf

QuoteIf it was a spirit that just turned up 'out the blue' and claimed to be my 'spirit guide' I wouldn't want to know because that's how I got into this mess in the first place...  

Same thing happened to me.  I had had readings by Ra (David Wilcock), and began reading the channelings of Kryon, the Group, Tobias, and Gaia.  In addition, I'd imagined for years that I had these four body guards in the astral realm--they were tall, with Asian looking eyes, only emerald green, of ET origin.  So when I started to get visitors in the night that I could actually see with my physical eyes, I was startled.  I was going through the early phase of awareness of the non physical realm and at least a year earlier I had asked my spirit protectors to leave, thinking it was time to be sovereign, to test my own mastership.  And because I didn't really know who these protectors were or where they came from, which made me nervous.  I sensed they were ET's and I was just opening my mind to the possibility of ET's and how they have been involved with humanity.  So the fact that they were of ET origin made me nervous--just the same, I called them back.  I don't think they came back, and if they did, they weren't on my side to begin with.  

In any case, I began feeling really strange manipulations of my physical body at night--pulses in my third eye, vibrations, colors, some sounds and a definite sense of a manipulation of the energy of my body.  I experienced projected holograms for the first time in my life, and this is something that has to be experienced to believe.  But during the night time visists, I kept saying "is this Tobias, is this Voltar (an ET I read about in an abductee's story that played hero to humanity in the story), is this...?" and so on, only not getting an answer.  One time I simply said "identify!" and when I didn't get a response, got out of bed, ate something, waited, and then went back to bed.  They immediately resumed their activity, only this time I heard "just someone trying to help you."  I did not trust them, but I didn't get out of bed again, as they were relentless.  Saying "no", resisting them, was a short lived answer, they always came back.  I even told them "I am too much of a warrior to allow this" and still they came back--they certainly did not respect me, or my wishes, and there was no one to stop them in the astral realms, no matter who I called on.  

Finally, a friend of mine who had the ability to talk to spirit guides asked her own spirit guide (at my request) who these Beings were and she told her that I was being visited by multiple Beings.  She warned my friend (and this spirit guide turned out to be a liar--they all are) that I must ask specifically for one being by name or I could be decieved.  Well, I did that--and to make a long story short, was deceived anyway.  Asking for a being by name is a joke--you don't know who will truly show up.  By the time I realized that this being who was coming to me was not who he said, and I had tried everything to get rid of him, crying, praying, burning sage, etc. I was informed by another entity projection to resist him, he wanted to merge with me.  I told this projected being I would rather die than for that to happen.  The next morning, I awoke under the illusion that having asked that question, that was the end of it.  Instead, a few days later, the imposter came to me and I underwent a nine plus ordeal of feeling an entity enter my body quadrant by quadrant of my body for over nine hours.  I wanted to commit suicide.  It felt exactly as you would imagine it would feel.  My family dragged me to a psychiatrist the next day--I had lost over ten pounds during these visits and this episode marked the end of my will to live.  The entity was inside me, had tried to take control of my consciousness and failed, but the feeling was more than I could take.

That night, I decided if it was still here in the morning, I would go through with my plans to commit suicide.  I heard a tone, and then could feel as if my body was deflating--and I thought it was leaving.  The next day, the feeling was still there, but not as strong.  So I decided to stay because now somebody was helping me.  But he never left.  And every day since that day (almost a year ago) has been a trial.  

Calling Archangel Michael, the Christ, you_name_it Ascended Master, spirit guides, God, didn't work, nor does positive affirmations.  In fact, I learned that the source of these so called "positive spirits" and the negative ones is the same.  Can you imagine the headlines when humanity learns that what they think are "angels" are really parasites?  

DaeMon, on this webboard, tried to help me.  He talked to what he thought was my "Higher Self" and was told by this being that he thought he was doing the right thing allowing this, that suffering was good, pain a good teacher.  I told DaemOn that he was talking to the parasite that had entered me, not my Higher Self, that he was an expert liar and manipulator.  My own "observer/soul" self and I were in touch--I knew who I was, who I was not, I knew my astral/soul body.  It had separated from me on occasion while I watched, tyring to help me but could do no more than coach me not to resist to mitigate the harm during an attack.  

DaemOn went back after talking to me and found out that the Being that pretended to be my Higher Self was manipulated into doing what he was doing by a Being above him who was also manipulated, that the Source of manipulation was two sources up.  Think grays, then lizzies.  I think "they" include many other such races, including the so called "bird tribes" or what people call angels.  He could do no more to help me, he said I was on my own.  

But the point I would like to make here, is that these Beings have accessed my central nervous system.  They are able to induce sexual stimualation, pain, induce thoughts and emotions.  And where I am now is at the point of trying to pinpoint every incident of me and "not me".  When they are able to access your CNS, this can be hard.   I have tried just about every theory known to man to get rid of it, including psychic weapons, sending it love and peace,  calling for help, whatever.  It's still here.

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I contacted Aziz via email and he told me he would get back to me and then never did.

Was this recently? He's had some pc trouble.

It was in the last two weeks.

QuoteI'm getting some insights today of how negs possibly somehow connect to the Central Nervous System, something which I think Robert Bruce thinks may be what happens in certain cases.

They most certainly do that.  And you can seem to destroy them, only to have others come back.  If this powerful being who is able to manipulate my CNS weren't there, perhaps I could fight them one by one.  But he brings them to me.  It's a most bizarre situation--I have had dreams where he is collecting all this "food" for others.  DaemOn called him a harvester, a souless being.  But the source is not without emotion, is quite sophisticated.  I do not underestimate their capability for harm and they are certainly not figments of people's imaginations.

These negs are NOT a creation of the human involved.  The negs love to say that, to pass the blame to their victims.  They have been "feeding" off of humanty for a long time, and on me, I just didn't know it.  

Perhaps vibration of earth is changing because my ability to discern things has changed...it's just that what I discern is so disappointing.

I am trying to become strong, become sovereign, free of attacks for good, if I can get rid of him once and for all.  Or dying.  Either way, I choose freedom.  This attack against humanity is the deepest, most profane torture of the soul I could have ever imagined.  I could not have imagined this.

And so the thought of letting a "good spirit" enter me, is not something I would ever consider.  I figure the "good guys" must not be so powerful against the bad ones, or else why would I still be dealing with this?  And then it occurred to me, they could not be so impotent.  The Source must be the same.

But I wish you the best, from one person to another, who knows how tough this is, physcially and psychologically, to deal with.  Good luck.

Hi kaili, that was a very interesting post/story. I'm going to read it again a bit later when I'm warmer (I've only just turned my heating on and my hands are freezing so it's hard to type :) )

But I wanted to comment on this for now:

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Can you imagine the headlines when humanity learns that what they think are "angels" are really parasites?

The negs giving you trouble are influencing you to believe this so that you lose all hope in your situation and give up. It is very understandable that you might fall into such a belief-trap, negs are extremely clever and cunning that way. But I assure you that Angels are not parasites and that they really do exist and are extremely powerful and loving Beings. If an Angel visits you, believe me you will know about it, the power emanating from them is so strong and positive that it's unmistakable (it almost feels 'too' strong... it's hard to explain).

Why Angels don't seem to be helping humanity more than we would like them to is a whole other subject that we could spend hours on.

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As for my stuff, I had it shown to me last night that there is what seems to be an entity/attachment point stuck to my left foot where I have a verucca. I was in trance and could feel some kind of energy (maybe 6 inch by 2 inch) sticking through my foot near my toes.

Today I can feel what seems to be healing being done on me and various urges/thoughts induced by a resident neg seem to be almost gone (or very weak and weakening). My heart chakra has been very active today and I felt so happy it was close to Joy. I even managed to give my mother a short healing session and got rid of a pain she had at the top of, and in between, her shoulderblades. Due to neg interference I haven't been able to do any healing for a while because I have been low on energy, plus it didn't feel safe to give healing while I myself had neg problems. But that seems to be changing too.

More later.

Quote from: McArthurThe negs giving you trouble are influencing you to believe this so that you lose all hope in your situation and give up. It is very understandable that you might fall into such a belief-trap, negs are extremely clever and cunning that way. But I assure you that Angels are not parasites and that they really do exist and are extremely powerful and loving Beings. If an Angel visits you, believe me you will know about it, the power emanating from them is so strong and positive that it's unmistakable (it almost feels 'too' strong... it's hard to explain).

Why Angels don't seem to be helping humanity more than we would like them to is a whole other subject that we could spend hours on.

The truth has nothing to do with beliefs.  Prior to my experience with negs, I believed in loving, non physical entities, what others would call angels.  After this experience, I can only come to two conclusions--the benevolent ones are impotent, or won't help--or they are all the same Source, sometimes appearing as benevolent to fool humanity.  And yes, they can fool you with overwhelming projections of love.  Where do you think they get this love?  What do you think this harvesting of energy is about anyway?  Do you really believe they only harvest negative emotions?  The negs I am acquainted with love the positive emotions--humor, love, like, whatever.  They harvest both.

I think the non physical/angelic realm is interdependent with ours.  But while some non physicals believe in "win win" situations, or giving as well as taking, others simply take.  Just like humans--but that's why we have laws.  It seems like the Wild West in the non physical realms right now--no agreements.  And yes, I too have heard the theories about why this is so, about how humanity is about to ascend and all gloves are off so to speak...we'll see.  I won't wait for that magical day--I'm trying to take each day as it comes right now, and not believe in some theoretical day of freedom.  After all, the Source of that infomation (the ascension, rebirth of humanity) comes from the same source as the crimes against humanity.  The non physicals, ET's, etc. in channelings,  have been incorrect many times in their predictions.  Either they lie or don't know the truth, or are themselves manipulated.  

The sooner humanity understands our own physiology, or own body, including the energy body, the less we can be manipulated.  As long as the idea that our "beliefs" create reality exists, they can manipulate us.

QuoteDue to neg interference I haven't been able to do any healing for a while because I have been low on energy, plus it didn't feel safe to give healing while I myself had neg problems. But that seems to be changing too.

As I said, keep us updated.  I am more interested in the truth than in being right.  I am simply telling you my experience, my conclusions.  I can be proved wrong.  That's why it will be interesting to me if this "positive spirit" truly is able to rid you of negs.  

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The truth has nothing to do with beliefs.  Prior to my experience with negs, I believed in loving, non physical entities, what others would call angels.  After this experience, I can only come to two conclusions--the benevolent ones are impotent, or won't help--or they are all the same Source, sometimes appearing as benevolent to fool humanity.

It sounds like you are blaming "angels" for the suffering caused by negs. Why not just blame the negs? Like I said previously this belief might be partly influenced by the negs themselves because it obviously fits their agenda.

The choice of conclusions you have come up with are all negative...  that seem designed to fit some preconcieved idea of what Angels are and whether they are supposed to help us at all times.

What you are saying is that neither God nor the Angels have helped you (as far as you are aware) with your neg problem so they too must therefore be bad. This is bad logic. What you are having is a kind of severe crisis of faith because you expected God or the Angels to protect you at all times. I've been there, I know it well. The utter despair, loneliness, feelings of powerlessness, abandonment, that perhaps God doesn't love one (because if He did why would he let this happen), Guilt etc etc. It becomes a downward spiral that negs then feed into trying to distort the whole thing all out of proportion. And that seems to be what is happening to you here. If you can start to realize some of this you can then begin to put an end to their manipulation.

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And yes, they can fool you with overwhelming projections of love.

I totally disagree. Can't you see how the situation is even making you untrusting of loving energy? Stop and think for a minute or two and ask yourself if the above belief might be neg-influenced...    if you can't trust in Love then what can you trust? I feel for you the utter hopelessness that must have caused you to lose your trust in Loving energy, I've been in similar situations/thought-processes. You're going to have to re-find your trust in Spirit and in Life and to realize that things aren't quite as hopeless as some Negs would have you believe. I know it can be a hard task because I've been there, but I'm now recovering because I just plain flat-out refused to give in (and also because I'm a sore loser ;) ) They sow the seeds of hopelessness and doubt because they know it works to grind people down and that you may just give in without a fight. And if you do that then they get to keep their food source. They really are insidious little buggers but they aren't as powerful or as organised as they would like you to believe. Part of how well they can maniplulate you is how much control they have over what you believe. Which is why they attempt to influence their victim to formulate various beliefs that will suit their agenda. If they think getting you to not trust a being that gives off loving energy will help their agenda they will do what they can to influence you into believing it.

And of course, if an Angel now turns up to try and help you and is giving off "overwhelming projections of love", will you trust it enough to let it help you? And if you won't let it help you, whose agenda does that serve? Yours or the negs?

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Where do you think they get this love?

Who, God and the Angels? They are Love. Love is a form of higher energy, it is not something that can be stolen, "harvested" or faked. It's almost like you're saying the Sun needs to steal heat from the Earth.

If you meant negs then I can tell you I've never come across a neg giving off loving energy...  if it was able to emanate loving energy it wouldn't need to feed off others and wouldn't be a neg.

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 What do you think this harvesting of energy is about anyway?
 Do you really believe they only harvest negative emotions?  The negs I am acquainted with love the positive emotions--humor, love, like, whatever.  They harvest both.

They feed off energy, full stop.

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As I said, keep us updated.  I am more interested in the truth than in being right.  I am simply telling you my experience, my conclusions.  I can be proved wrong.  That's why it will be interesting to me if this "positive spirit" truly is able to rid you of negs.  

I'll keep posting in this thread anything that happens. I've had an intense healing session tonight. My heart and crown chakra are crackling with energy and I feel very empowered.

Don't give up, keep fighting, try to read something positive or watch comedy films (laughter is a form of banishment) and remember you're not alone in this problem.  A good book you may find helpful  is "Creative Visualization" by Shakti Gawain(sp?). What spiritual exercises are you doing to help yourself with this neg problem?

In Light

McA

I wish you well, kaili. You are going through a tremendous spiritual upheaval that i don't understand without having been there. I'd say that God has worked in this method before, causing abandonment of all hope in his servants as a way to cathartically shape them. If you live, you will indeed be stronger. I'm reminded of Job actually; he lost everything that possibly mattered, but never caved in. I think you can still find help on this forum. If the negs have you believing that even angels are parasites, i'd say the whole universe is just how HP Lovecraft envisioned it: food for the gods, and we're the appetizer.

Kaili --

I have kept silent because I couldn't think of anything helpful to say.

I've gone through very similar circumstances to the one you describe.  It was made worse for me by well intentioned, genuinely caring people of power who didn't understand reframing what I was in to fit their own experience.  At the time, it made my difficulties much worse.  

And, I felt beat up and "bad" because I had a situation that wasn't supposed to exist.  Did that mean that I wasn't real?  

On the other side of the experience, I realized that among the many incredibly unhelpful "positive mental attitiude" and "love and light" coachings I got, there were some scattered few bit that got in and took tenuous root.  I still don't know why some helped even a little and most didn't -- but that's the way it was.

As they say in the old movie "Pump Up The Volume" The Truth is a Virus.

I would hope that you would keep posting, keep telling your truth as you see it to the absolute best level of your ability in that moment.  I would hope that you would take the posts in response, distill whatever's workable, and let the rest go.  You  have too much going on to carry any extra baggage -- even if it's REALLY GOOD STUFF.    

As long as you keep posting both you and the people who respond to you are held in a special kind of consciousness by a great number of people who are active, albiet silent participants in the conversation  

Every post here is READ by more people than respond.  In the etheric, I sometimes think that matters more than the words.

The way out is THROUGH.  

One of the annoying people who actually helped me used to say:  If you're going through Hell, don't pitch a tent.  Just keep moving.

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 If you're going through Hell, don't pitch a tent.  Just keep moving.

Hmm. That's cute.

Thank you Narfellus and Chimerae

I read every post at least twice, and your thoughtful responses mean a lot to me.  I will keep posting, if only to continue to describe what I am experiencing.  People who know me--including a psychiatrist I went to see--have all admitted I am an intelligent person with a good grasp on reality.  

I am trying to look as objectively as possible on what I have seen, felt and experienced--but emotions are a part of me and I would be inhuman, a robot, not to have any, not to feel tremendously crushed and disappointed.  People can be insensitive to that sometimes, but mostly, just naive.  As if I have not tried positive affirmations thousands of times, sent love, etc.  It simply does not work.  The negs--or whatever they are--don't care.  This is not about losing faith--I never had any faith to begin with--and I still don't believe in it.  I believe in me and I believe in you, if I can look you in the eye or I sense that you are telling the truth.  With the non physical world, I don't have that option.  I can only go by what they "choose" to show me or have me experience.  I try to get "energy signatures" but this is not often helpful because most of the time what I am dealing with is a projected illusion which, combined with their manipulation of my CNS might as well be real...and yet it's not.  In other words, think of a virtual reality game that is plugged into your brain, and various other parts of your body so that you not only see something, you feel it too--or smell it, etc.  If you are seeing something and feeling something than it is real, whether it's a manipulation (created reality) or not.  For all we know, all of earth and life is one giant hologram and yet it is real to those of us here experiencing life.

McArthur--You choose to stick to your faith--I understand.  If that's how you feel, that's the route you should take, I know that.  But dont' assume that's the route for me.  You and I disagree on issues of a spiritual nature, and I don't mind disagreeing on philosophy.  I won't call you wrong--but give me equal respect.  Don't assume that I am bitter, or blind--perhaps my eyes are open despite the pain.  I have seen and experienced much more than I can tell in just a few posts, as I am sure have you.  

You think of the world in terms of duality--the good and the bad.  Yet you and I are what I would call "mixed beings" and yet, still Divine.  We are capable of both good and bad.  We can choose to live a moral, humane life (defined differently by various cultures and religions), but which I define as respect for self and others, respect for freedom, mitigation of suffering, and a free flow of ideas.

You have a very simplified belief (non challenging) in God and Angels.  Not stopping to think, if angels are on your side, where are they now, my friend?  Do they really require a request from a shaman to help you?  Do you need a "middleman" to communicate with those who can help?  Can they not hear you on your own?  Don't you have guides (if you believe in that sort of thing) who know what's going on?  If so, where were they when you were being invaded and attacked to begin with?

I have seen powerful spiritual Beings here (perhaps ET's)--I have seen them visiting through other humans and I know them by their eyes.  Often, I sense their presence even before I see them.  One of several incidents that had a profound affect on me--I was having a dream that I was dying, and my four year old son came into the room in the middle of the night and turned on the light.  I saw in his eyes, what most people would call "God"--overwhelming love and compassion that is difficult to describe.  I have never seen or felt anything like it, a feeling so powerful it is not of this world.  But what I also saw, what I did not close my eyes to, was the shadow in his eyes.  And it scared me a little--this was a "mixed being" too.  

You think that God and Angels are pure love?  What you really mean to say is you want to believe that, to believe otherwise would hurt you deeply.  And so that is what you will continue to believe...until you discover otherwise.  And in that sense, ultimately, you will discover that the truth does creep up on your beliefs.  Beliefs only create reality as long as you close your eyes to the truth.

I have seen what people have described as the joyful, loving, light filled Beings--these are not "mixed beings" like you and I.  They are "produced" by a Source--the same source that propagated the greatest lie of the last 2000 years--the Christ myth.  The ONE who will come and save us all, or the aliens (whatever).  The ever present carrot before the horse that every Christian has died believing yet not seeing come to pass because it's always "just around the corner".  In our century, people said it was going to happen during the passing of the century (Y2K), when that didn't happen, they said 2012, the end of the Mayan calender.  I feel fairly certain, that date too will come and pass with no "second coming" in the sense that Christians want and expect.

These Christ-like Beings I have seen and other groups are allied with the ones who are committing crimes against humanity.  They don't necessarily agree with their tactics, but they are not stopping them either.  Which leads to the conclusion that they are "turning the other cheek" or they are not as powerful.  Which do you want to believe?

Or you can believe that there is a war going on in the spiritual realm--many believe this, including Robert Bruce.  The classis good vs evil battle going on the spiritual realms.  But if that is the case, than the "good" guys are losing because humans are being played with and tortured by non physicals in a deeply immoral sense.

We reach out to Spirit in the absence of facts, and sometimes because of a yearning desire to connect with more than what we are.  My solace is that I believe that all Beings, whether human or non human, physical or non physical, have to pay the consequences for their actions.  I had a dream once where a Being came to me and said that the entity who was attacking me had lowered his vibration as a result of his actions.  We are ALL accountable, even them.  And they are not perfect--they learn from us.  They are not perfect beings, nor are they either "all love" or "all evil".  

I said before that the spiritual realms, these other dimensions, parasite humanity.  They do--but in the same sense that we do the earth.  The spiritual realms need life, they need the energy produced by life, which is why the work so hard to preserve it.   Many from these other dimensions have "milked" humanity in the same way that most cultures have milked the earth, taking advantage of humanity's naivete and child-like notions about God and the Saviour.  Some native cultures respect earth and all life and live in harmony with it--but most do not.  This rarity of respect and harmoney towards what is used/needed is reflected in these other dimensions.  

Let's each of us define what we experienced in our own way, without condemning the other--just let us know, does this "good" spirit that you had to obtain from a shaman do the job?

It's a legitimate question on the road to the truth.  If it works out for you, I will be relieved.  :-)

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 If you're going through Hell, don't pitch a tent.  Just keep moving.

Hmm. That's cute.

Yeah.  She was really was obnoxious.  When I was really struggling she would say it and then add in a louder voice:  

. . . and for God's sake DON'T BUY ANY REAL ESTATE!

chimerae--

You mentioned you went through a similar exerience as mine.  Did you mean that you experienced a multi hour entity invasion or did you mean, a "dark night of the soul" involving negs, or what?

Would you like to share your experience?  I would be interested in hearing about it.

QuoteOne of the annoying people who actually helped me used to say: If you're going through Hell, don't pitch a tent. Just keep moving.

It's a quote of Sir Winston Churchill, "If you're going through Hell, keep going."

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You mentioned you went through a similar exerience as mine.  Did you mean that you experienced a multi hour entity invasion or did you mean, a "dark night of the soul" involving negs, or what?

Would you like to share your experience?  I would be interested in hearing about it.

Kaili --

Astral Pulse is a difficult place for me because it's so energetically intense and I tend to be somewhat fragile.  

In consequence, I come and go here.   I feel like I'm on the edge of being "gone" from AP.  Sharing that sort of story is rather more intense than I can manage at the moment.

But the short version is:  Yeah . . . multilevel, multihour neg invasion where there just is no room for consciousness of anything other than the negative -- it's like a virus where they get in and take over.  Also, sometimes as a consequence of that invasion, benign well intended powerful entities -- both human and otherwise -- create genuine damage in their attempts to "help."  The "good guys" then escalate their helping aggressiveness, unaware that it's YOU that's being damaged and the invading entity is just happy as clam.  

Still though, there are positive forces that step in to support and advocate for you.  It's just that my experience was that the ones that are effective in that sort of situation are subtle and easily overlooked, even when they're doing the most.

There is life on the other side of this.

Another interesting but annoying aspect of it that I feel that I need to share with you, is that when these things are tangled up with you, they're not running around loose wrecking havoc on everyone and everything else.  That awareness didn't actually help me feel better -- I don't remember ever volunteering -- but it was part of the mechanism of getting to the other side.  

MacArthur:  THANKS for the source on that quote.  I still have too much of a bad attitude about it to have looked it up myself.  It's saved my butt a thousand times, but I still wince whenever I think of it.

Hello kaili,

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I am trying to look as objectively as possible on what I have seen, felt and experienced-

May I ask if you have tried Roberts 'Belief System Cleanse' (Link at the bottom of all my posts)?

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-but emotions are a part of me and I would be inhuman, a robot, not to have any, not to feel tremendously crushed and disappointed.

I don't think anyone is saying we should repress our emotions.

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People can be insensitive to that sometimes, but mostly, just naive.  As if I have not tried positive affirmations thousands of times, sent love, etc.

What I posted at the end of my post was me trying to offer you encouragement because you sounded so despondant. I don't know what you may have tried, or are trying, which is why I asked you what you are doing right now to help yourself with your neg problem. Are you doing any spiritual exercises to protect yourself against negs or not?

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 It simply does not work.  The negs--or whatever they are--don't care.  This is not about losing faith--I never had any faith to begin with--and I still don't believe in it.

Ok, perhaps I jumped the gun a bit from you saying, "Prior to my experience with negs, I believed in loving, non physical entities, what others would call angels." I wrote what felt right to write at the time when perhaps I shouldn't have written anything if it's not going to help you. I will try to be more careful.

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  I try to get "energy signatures" but this is not often helpful because most of the time what I am dealing with is a projected illusion which, combined with their manipulation of my CNS might as well be real...and yet it's not.  In other words, think of a virtual reality game that is plugged into your brain, and various other parts of your body so that you not only see something, you feel it too--or smell it, etc.  If you are seeing something and feeling something than it is real, whether it's a manipulation (created reality) or not.  For all we know, all of earth and life is one giant hologram and yet it is real to those of us here experiencing life.

That sounds like a variation of the Philisophical question known as 'Brain in a Vat'.
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/m/mccormickm/BrainsInAVat.html

It's also a similar Philisophical question to Rene Descartes' "Evil Genius" hypothesis.
http://www.cofc.edu/~portmord/99230L4.htm

And of course the Matrix films.

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McArthur--You choose to stick to your faith--I understand.  If that's how you feel, that's the route you should take, I know that.  But dont' assume that's the route for me.

I didn't so far as I am aware.

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 You and I disagree on issues of a spiritual nature, and I don't mind disagreeing on philosophy.

Of course there's nothing wrong with having different philisophical views. If everyone agreed with everyone else it might be quite boring. ;) But can we both have opposing beliefs and both have the "Truth" at the same time?

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 I won't call you wrong--but give me equal respect.
Don't assume that I am bitter, or blind--perhaps my eyes are open despite the pain.  I have seen and experienced much more than I can tell in just a few posts, as I am sure have you.  

You think of the world in terms of duality--the good and the bad.
Yet you and I are what I would call "mixed beings" and yet, still Divine.  We are capable of both good and bad.

That is still a duality.

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You have a very simplified belief (non challenging) in God and Angels.

You ask for equal respect but then start assuming that what I may or may not believe is 'simplified' and 'non challenging'.  And:

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You think that God and Angels are pure love?  What you really mean to say is you want to believe that, to believe otherwise would hurt you deeply.

You are doing what I did in my previous post to you and assuming things from what little of my posts you have read. I will think about the rest of your post a little more before I make any response. Don't get the idea though it is because you have questioned my beliefs, it is for other reasons. Except for:

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Let's each of us define what we experienced in our own way, without condemning the other-

I apologize if you felt I was somehow condemning you in my post, I even went out of my way to try and make sure it didn't come across that way. I was trying to help you, not condemn you. The only ones I would condemn are the negs.

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-just let us know, does this "good" spirit that you had to obtain from a shaman do the job?

It's a legitimate question on the road to the truth.  If it works out for you, I will be relieved.  :-)

It is a legitimate question yes, although the way you phrased it sounds a little sour. I "had to" get the Shaman to do it because he knows how to, I don't. The reason I started this thread was because I was trying yet another way of something to get rid of negs. I am not sure either way but I am giving it all the effort I have to make it work, because I want it to. If it doesn't, I will get up, dust myself down, and try something else.


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McA
p.s. Is your real name Lisa?

Let me share a story by a friend of mine. Her husband had died recently at a young age when this happened. There are typos and grammatical errors, but I have left those in because they kind of reflect the emotions she was feeling while writing this down. The first draft was all one block, it must have been hard for her to relive some of these memories.

My Angel by Rose

Gettin to the hosptial that day thinking everything is goin to be fine. David will be home soon. It is 10 am.We can see David now, but only for 10 mintues. I go in to see him. He layin there.I thought he was a sleep. I sit down, "he say's" I love you baby. but Im not comin home this time. I said, David hush please, "he say", It is true baby I'm not. Please remember, "How much I love you." And that I will always be there watchin over you.

  The nurse came in and say we have to leave now. Soon David will be taken for test.Then put dialysis for his kidneys. They have stopped working. As I was walkin out of the room." David said", Remember, "I love you baby", And I won't be talking to you again.  Tears was rolling down my cheeks. I didn't want to leave. I wanted to go back and be there with him. "Please", I said, "Lord let me go back please" .

I went back to the waiting room. At 12 I could go in and see him again. Vikki, had left. She had to go to work, but would be back after work. I waited for 12 to come. At 12, I went back to Davids room. He wasnt there.  The nurse came by and said they had taken him for the test.  I went back to the waiting room. Had been sit for about 10 mintues. They called code blue. I was like," oo no no." It can't be, but I knew it was.I  really knew in my heart it was David. I  looked up there was a nurse stand in front of me. "Saying Mrs **** ", Come with me please. I just said," Nooo nooo please nooooo". The nurse took my arm. We went to a private room. She was talking, " please make her hush".I dont want to hear it no. No David is fine. She is lieing. Tell her to shut up please. The doctor comes in say. I'm sorry there was nuffin we could do he is gone. No, he isn't gone. No we have 3 kids. He has to help me rasie our kids. He isn't gone stop it now . They call Vikki. They say she is on her way. Why does she need to come? David is fine. Vikki doesn't need to come here.

 Vikki gets to the hosptial. They ask if we would like to see David. Yes I want to see David. We go in to his room. He is just laying there. He looks so peaceful.  David please tell them you are fine. Please. It is time to leave. When will I wake up? Please let me wake up. I just want to wake up.

 I get home. Why are all these people here? I don't want them here. i just want my kids. Where are my kids? I can't stop cryin. Please just make everyone leave. I don't want anyone, but the kids here. David will be upset with all these people. Stop trying to make me eat I don't want to not until David gets here.  What was that pill? I don't need no pills. Yes I am tired. Why yes I will lay down. Waking up looking at the clock. Oh my! I over slepted David is late for work. I jump up. I grab David. Oh, It isn't David it is Matt.(my 11 year old son) I look at him. Oh no!  I start crying. It hit me David is gone. Please lord let him come back to me please. I need him so bad. I will be good. I promise lord let him come back. They tell me I have to plan Davids funeral. I dont want to.  Just don't bother me. You do it what ever you decide. It will be fine with me. They wouldn't stop they was all say I had to do this. I said I didn't want too I want to be left alone. Just make them go away please. I just want to sit here and cry that is all. My life is over. After the funeral I told them all I wanted to go to my house.  Just me and kids be there no one else. I didn't want to do nuffin but sit in my room. Melissa (my 17 year old daughter) took care of everything. I hurt so much. I was so empty.

I started drinkin so I wouldnt hurt so much. No one was to come in my room unless they ask. I sit in the dark. I didnt eat. I lost down to 90 pounds. I looked bad. I knew if I kept up like this I wouldn't last long. I would be with David that is where I wanted to be. I didn't get dressed in the day time. I didn't asnwer the phone or  the door. I didn't want to see anyone at all.

 After 6 about months. One night sitting there in my room I was crying. I had been all day. I just prayed for the lord to take me. I need to go now I was ready. I hadn't had a drink for 2 days. I was praying to the lord please just take me please. When I felt someone touch my right hand. It was more of like a warm feeling than a touch. I opened my eyes the room was lite up. There in front of me was this angel. I blinked my eyes to make sure I wasn't seeing things. He was wearin a off white robe it came down to the floor.  His wings was like of real feathers but yet they glimmered like pearls.  He had long hair. I have never seen anything as grand as this. I just knew i was safe with him there.  He spoke it not you time yet. The lord as a reason for you still being here. You are one of his special angel to help here. His voice was so soft as he spoke. As i heard his voice I was just so relaxed.   Go to bed and sleep tomrrow will  look better to you.  As he spoked his wings was like giveng off a warm rays. I could feel the pain being lifted from my heart as he spoke. There was a ring around the angel that was of bright yellow. The angel turned and started walking away. The room was grown dark. The lite was getting father away until there was just a dot of lite and it was gone. Then I felt something change in me. It was like  something was lifted out of me. I went to bed getting up the next morning feelin like I had just been borned again everything looks so much better to me. I could hear thr birds singin.  The flowers with such bright colors. I was ready to live again and I knew David was in a great place and  when my time comes I will see him again  *smiles *

QuoteNot stopping to think, if angels are on your side, where are they now, my friend? Do they really require a request from a shaman to help you? Do you need a "middleman" to communicate with those who can help? Can they not hear you on your own? Don't you have guides (if you believe in that sort of thing) who know what's going on? If so, where were they when you were being invaded and attacked to begin with?

I need to address this, but kaili, you're right, you have to do what is right for you.

We're all connected to God, and sometimes that connection can be either severed or corrupted when under severe neg attack. It wouldn't be a big deal to rebuild on your own, if you didn't have negs attacking you and kicking you down as you are trying to climb up. Angels and such can see but don't always intervene, not out of cruelty but out of respect for our free will.

Negs go out of their way to make you feel like evil rules the universe, that power decides everything. That gets translated to relations with God and angelic beings. We think, "We have to ask for their help out of respect for their power." It's the other way around. We have to ask for help out of respect to us, our choices, our will. Look at how hard some negs work to turn around a person's life, luck, fate, etc. Would you want an angelic being acting the same way, deciding your fate instead of you doing it?

Going to someone else to help/ask? You mean like someone else who is unadulterated in connection to God and can bring more light in thatn you can at the moment? It gets us to turn to each other out of compassion and love, instead of being little islands, self focused and isolated.

QuoteAnd so the thought of letting a "good spirit" enter me, is not something I would ever consider.

Well, you know, that is really quite a sensible approach. Allowing a spirit to connect with one is not something I would normally try myself or even recommend to others. But there were so many synchronicities that led me to it that I felt confident enough to give it a go. I've made myself the 'guinea pig' in this thread; if things go wrong (not that I wish to tempt fate, of course ;) ) then you'll know it's no good. But actually, it IS working. There is still something in my aura/body, but it is getting weaker by the day. At first I was a little disappointed that the entities weren't gone straight away, but I now see that it will just take a little bit of time and effort before my neg problem is gone for good. In fact, I've never been so confident in the 8 years of neg trouble that I've actually found something that just might be working.

I've had two very strong healing sessions tonight. There is so much energy flowing through me it almost feels like I'm connected into the mains electric supply. It kind of feels like a dimmer switch is being slowly turned up and as it does so the entity gets weaker. Kind of like my vibration is rising beyond where the negs are able to affect me. My entire body is literally tingling with what I can only describe as Spiritual Power that at times is verging towards ecstasy (it's quite hard to explain). I would imagine it to be fairly easy to Astral Project from this state. I did make a short attempt earlier, but then felt I was trying to rush things, so stopped.

I think spirit encouters and partnerships like this are like any relationship.

For the right person in the right place in their life, they're beyond wonderful and it's possible to reach things unreachable alone.

For anyone else, they're hell dressed up in "Sunday go to meeting" clothes.

And even if you are the right person in the right place in your life -- life changes and so relationship change.  Ready or not.  

Even spiritual ones.

But spirits -- even good ones -- are in a different time frame than we're in.  Things change for us material beings and the spirit just doesn't get it.  Not unlike a lover who doesn't understand that yes, they're still loved (or not) AND it's time to let go and move on.  And they cling too tight.

Or the spirit moves on and WE as material being cling too tight and something less wonderful moves in to fill the empty place we are holding open with our clinging to something that's GONE.

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But spirits -- even good ones -- are in a different time frame than we're in.  Things change for us material beings and the spirit just doesn't get it.  Not unlike a lover who doesn't understand that yes, they're still loved (or not) AND it's time to let go and move on.  And they cling too tight.

What you just described is a low-level spirit pretending to be a spirit guide. Higher level spirits are far more intelligent that what you describe above and they certainly don't need to cling (attach) to you. There are some 'ghosts' that really don't mean to do any harm, but they still have to feed off you to survive, which harms you in the long run. So they give 'advice' in exchange for the energy they steal. A lot of the time this 'advice' is made up from knowledge you already know or things it may have learnt off its previous host. If I had a spirit guide like you describe above I would work on getting rid of it straight away (it probably wouldn't leave by itself and come up with all sorts of excuses why i.e. "We made an agreement prior to your incarnation" or "We have important spiritual work to do together" are the typical kind of thing used to pursuade one to allow it to stay and continue feeding). Read the article I posted in the "Depression" thread on this forum.

A good exercise to do with spirits is to tell them to go and leave for 3 months and not come back until you call them. Any good spirit will fully understand and respect your wishes. If it won't go, then you have a problem.

Some more of what is happening. Last night during one of the healing sessions I was having, while I was in trance, I could feel where this entity is in my head. I have felt it before but am getting a much clearer idea of where what seems to be its main attachment point is. If you stick your thumb in your mouth with the nail facing downwards and run the tip of your thumb back along the roof of your mouth you come to the end of the bone to a soft fleshy part. It's just above the roof of my mouth at the spot where the bone ends and soft part starts. From there it seems to have cords attached to other points such as where the jaws join just below the ears (where I believe there are secondary chakras). I could also feel a very numb energy feeling in the centre of my head and also crown chakra.

Anyway, it looks like it's not going to go without putting up a fight and this might take a little longer than I expected. While in trance I started drawing pentagrams of light with my astral hands and throwing them at it like ninja stars, making them explode on contact trying to loosen its grip to where it is attached. It seemed to have a little bit of effect so I may keep trying it when I get the chance. But anyway, I know now that it's main attachment is inside the skull (I can feel it moving about every so often like a throbbing sensation), from where it might be possibly somehow connecting to the brain/CNS (or trying to).

Here's an old journal entry from the last time I felt this thing there, but didn't at the time know for sure what it was.

7th Jan 2001 00:52
I have just got out of the shower after a trance meditation. I did some energy work and it was mind blowing. I sort of just went with intuition as to what i was doing, built a cone of light above and below me so i was encased in it, then was sending waves of light/energy all around the contours of my body, at one point i was spiraling a line of energy up and down my body (cross legged), imagining any attachments being dissolved and cut away. Also remember being inside a blue flame. Then i started vibrating Om.. it just felt right.. but i was doing it from low to high pitch... the tone sounded VERY loud and was vibrating all around me. After a while i said prayers in trance asking the Great White Brotherhood for assistance and guidance etc. Then i tried to exit my body.. got the tingling body and throbbing heart chakra at one point... i opened all my chakras and energy flooding my room and all around me.. i tranced deeper.... i stopped trying to exit and just floated in mind... at this point i could feel something tugging at the inside of my brain. Well its not my brain.. but feels like inside my skull.. it was as if either myself, or someone/thing, was slowly moving the whole inside of my skull (like a ball of energy inside it) up and down... my head was slightly heavy. This felt like going from my throat through roof of mouth to core of brain... wiggling up and down slowly. There was something watching me and either asked, or noticed, that i could actually feel this movement inside me. My brow chakra and crown chakra were very active... slight pressure on brow and top of nose. As i write this i still have a sensation inside my head and crown chakra... feels a little heavy/throbbing..... i just got an impression... a thought..... from me, or something... i just saw a Lotus bud moving from below the surface of water and emerging above. But at the same time i just saw this, i re-lived the inner sensation i just mentioned.. up throat to centre of head etc. I kind of saw both things at the same time as though the lotus bud was inside my throat/head and the surface of the water was above my crown chakra. Have to forgive me but i'm still a little spaced from the trance, even after a shower.
one cigarrette later.
Now i cant decide wether this numb-dull-heavy feeling in the core of my head is Kundalini or something else moving there. It's not painful, only slightly uncomfortable... the whole top of my head and deep inside it too is kinda numb. Thinking back now to my trance 30 minutes ago... it did feel as though something was trying to move up my throat and out the top of my head.... after i had re-surfaced and opened my eyes... i sat there staring into the mirror.. everything took on a ... blurry vision type look as i sat staring at my brow chakra in the mirror.. still in semi trance.. my eyes wide open my vision was going blurry and surreal (although i could have stopped this if i re-focused) and like invisible whispy smoke(almost liquid like) running/moving over my eyes(retina).
Went for shower and my t-shirt was soaked with sweat (its winter here).
Wow, hope this isnt too long, i'm kinda auto writing as if remembering a dream. Oh, when i was in trance, i was using awareness hands that Rob Bruce mentions in NEW(like astral hands) to brush up and down my spine (like brushing cobwebs(any attachments) off me) and i also kind of did this inside my skull too(i think i did inside skull -thinking of my mind and cleaning any attachments that may be in my personal inner meta-space.. hmmm), and sealed the inside with a circled pentagram, just managed to remember that part.
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So anyway, it's obviously a nasty little bugger and means business, but my fight to get it out of me isn't so one-sided anymore.

OK here we go!!! Read this old thread of mine:

Em, Negs and Possession (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1290&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0)

I propose in that thread that negs somehow affect humans using subtle Electromagnetic fields in the brain, something which health authorities have also been able to do. I also postulate that EM fields also somehow affect negs in an adverse way. Now read this!

http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/050447.html

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Researchers at McLean Hospital's Brain Imaging Center have found that the oscillating magnetic fields of an MRI scanner (a machine commonly used in medicine to produce high-resolution images of internal organs and tissues) can immediately improve the moods of depressed patients suffering from bipolar disorder, a psychiatric illness characterized by alternating periods of mania and depression. A controlled study recently published in the American Journal of Psychiatry indicated that 23 out of 30 bipolar patients (77 percent) reported an improved mood after receiving the scan—and that 100 percent of the patients who were not taking antidepressant medication indicated a better mood.

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In fact, researchers first noticed the scan's mood-enhancing effects by accident, while conducting an unrelated study of medications' effectiveness on bipolar subjects. During that study, many subjects emerging from their EP-MRSI exams remarked to the technician on how much better they felt than before the scan. Some were even cracking jokes as they departed. "There were enough patients who told us—and these were unbiased observations—that we thought we ought to pay attention," Cohen explains. For some, the elevated mood lasted for hours; for others, it persisted as long as a week.

They don't know why it works, but I do!!!

They're inadvertantly zapping negs from people who don't know they have them!!! Depression, Bi-polar? Negs. Want a cure? Zap em with some strong EM pulses! (but do it regularly over a week or two to stop re-attachment, possibly getting Reiki healing for the auric holes where the negs are getting into the aura)

Now I just need one of these to test out my theory:

http://www.excel.net/~jaguar/MMP.html

More on EM pulse treatment:

Electromagnetic Treatments (http://www.christianity.com/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID4820%7CCHID103349%7CCIID260840,00.html)

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Berman and his colleagues recently applied electromagnetic stimulation to schizophrenics who daily suffered with auditory hallucinations. Reported in the British medical journal, The Lancet, (March 25, 2000) Berman et al. was able to use electromagnetic stimulation to reduce auditory hallucinations in 11 of 12 schizophrenic patients over six-months.

Schizophrenia is caused by Negs! So is cancer...

Chimarea

You and I must have had a similar experience, perhaps because we are both female?  I have noticed a similarity in the way females are betrayed/attacked/fooled as opposed to the way that males are.   Negs often take advantage of maternal instincts, the desire to nurture. They also take advantage of our vulnerability in our sexual/emotional make up.  You hear of females being sexually manipulated much more often than males.  I don't know if that was the case for you, but it was part of my experience and I had several conversations (privately) with other females who had similar experiences with negs.  With males, they work on the fact that they are often more cut off from their emotions, and their ego is more easily manipulated.  

I want to make one thing clear to all who are religious or believe in God and Angels.  Please don't apply different standards to non physicals than you would physical beings (as we are Divine also).  Dont' use anomolies and lack of logic to keep your eyes blind.  Of course there is some kind of God/Force/Cosmic Intelligence.  But what most people think is God is not, it is simply the non physical realm giving you what you expect.  In other words, there are plenty of ET's and non physicals currently on the God/Jesus/Mohammed/etc. circuit to please your expectations.  Don't be fooled.

A minister in church once told everyone, what is the difference between true wisdom and false wisdom (the latter of which he attributed to the devil but what most of us here would attribute to negs)?  He answered that true wisdom is gentle, it is capable of being analyzed from all angles, and it does not hide.  I thought these were good, common sense rules to apply what you might hear or think about what is going on the non physical realm.  Humans are not being tested, we are not bad--these are the words of a false God.   People talk about the Holy Spirit.  According to the New Testament, Jesus defined the Holy Spirit as "spiritual truth".  Not an invading energy, or force, not grace--but truth.  Keep that in mind when you are confronted with Beings who like to hide not only who and what they are, but information and understanding.  Negs thrive on secrecy.  

McArthur--well, you and I agree on some things.  :wink: I too am absolutely convinced that EM fields would destroy these things if we knew how to use them properly.  I also have always felt that they use the EM field of the mind, to manipulate thoughts and emotions in addition to direct manipulations of the CNS.  I used to use magnets in various different ways to try to gage the affect--holding one several inches from my frontal lobes and making a circular motion.  I never found one golden key but I am convinced that a way of protecting oneself lies with understanding more about these fields.  I too wondered about the connection with shock treatments and skizophrenic patients, and also, the story of one woman who had multiple sclerosis and was struck by lightening.  After she got out of the hosptital (she was in severe pain for awhile, and had suffered quite a bit of physical damage) she discovered that she was free of MS.  This was a story in the paper or on TV that was well documented.  I even thought, in one of my more desperate moments, is there someway to apply a low voltage to my brain to disrupt these things?  But to experiment in this way is extremely dangerous and I wouldn't do it.  But I do believe the answer lies with the understanding of the electromagnetic fields of the body.

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You and I must have had a similar experience, perhaps because we are both female?  I have noticed a similarity in the way females are betrayed/attacked/fooled as opposed to the way that males are.   Negs often take advantage of maternal instincts, the desire to nurture. They also take advantage of our vulnerability in our sexual/emotional make up.  You hear of females being sexually manipulated much more often than males.  I don't know if that was the case for you, but it was part of my experience and I had several conversations (privately) with other females who had similar experiences with negs.  With males, they work on the fact that they are often more cut off from their emotions, and their ego is more easily manipulated.  

I want to make one thing clear to all who are religious or believe in God and Angels.  Please don't apply different standards to non physicals than you would physical beings (as we are Divine also).  Dont' use anomolies and lack of logic to keep your eyes blind.  Of course there is some kind of God/Force/Cosmic Intelligence.  But what most people think is God is not, it is simply the non physical realm giving you what you expect.  In other words, there are plenty of ET's and non physicals currently on the God/Jesus/Mohammed/etc. circuit to please your expectations.  Don't be fooled.

A minister in church once told everyone, what is the difference between true wisdom and false wisdom (the latter of which he attributed to the devil but what most of us here would attribute to negs)?  He answered that true wisdom is gentle, it is capable of being analyzed from all angles, and it does not hide.  I thought these were good, common sense rules to apply what you might hear or think about what is going on the non physical realm.  Humans are not being tested, we are not bad--these are the words of a false God.   People talk about the Holy Spirit.  According to the New Testament, Jesus defined the Holy Spirit as "spiritual truth".  Not an invading energy, or force, not grace--but truth.  Keep that in mind when you are confronted with Beings who like to hide not only who and what they are, but information and understanding.  Negs thrive on secrecy.  

McArthur--well, you and I agree on some things.  :wink: I too am absolutely convinced that EM fields would destroy these things if we knew how to use them properly.  I also have always felt that they use the EM field of the mind, to manipulate thoughts and emotions in addition to direct manipulations of the CNS.  I used to use magnets in various different ways to try to gage the affect--holding one several inches from my frontal lobes and making a circular motion.  I never found one golden key but I am convinced that a way of protecting oneself lies with understanding more about these fields.  I too wondered about the connection with shock treatments and skizophrenic patients, and also, the story of one woman who had multiple sclerosis and was struck by lightening.  After she got out of the hosptital (she was in severe pain for awhile, and had suffered quite a bit of physical damage) she discovered that she was free of MS.  This was a story in the paper or on TV that was well documented.  I even thought, in one of my more desperate moments, is there someway to apply a low voltage to my brain to disrupt these things?  But to experiment in this way is extremely dangerous and I wouldn't do it.  But I do believe the answer lies with the understanding of the electromagnetic fields of the body.

Kaili,

I actually know men who have been through this.  The experience is similar for men and women.  I have not seen that there are more women than men like this, but I have seen that there are more women than men that SEEM like this, because women are conditioned to give up and give in and wait to be rescued.  (Because of what you're going through I want to be very clear:  YOU ARE NOT AMONG THESE . . . you are NOT giving in and waiting to be rescued)

In my experience, it's actually easier for women to get through it and to the other side than it is for men.

Men don't confess to problems like these as easily as women do.  When they do admit to the level of problem, they have an even harder time getting workable help than we do.  Hard to imagine, WORSE isn't it?

I don't know that I agree with your minister who said that true wisdom doesn't hide.  My experience is that true wisdom sometimes steps out and hands over an easy answer, but MOST of the time just keeps very quiet and helps me along while I discover the way to find the truth myself.  In my experience, true wisdom draws us on, it doesn't shove.  But maybe that's all the same thing you're talking about with different words.  

I have found that no matter how big my problem, if I just tell the truth, MY truth as simply and to the best of my ability, that everything will sort itself out.  The world comes back at me in a way to fine tune my personal truth until I get to a point where things are workable.

Keep posting!

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A good exercise to do with spirits is to tell them to go and leave for 3 months and not come back until you call them. Any good spirit will fully understand and respect your wishes. If it won't go, then you have a problem.

Also something else that seems to help to "Test your spirits" is to get them to say things that a neg might not want to. For instance, this entity around me won't say "Allahu Ackbar" (meaning 'God is great' in Arabic). Of course, there may be some negs/ghosts that will say it to gain your confidence so it should be used in conjuction with other things. But if a spirit won't say it you can at least be sure it's not something you want staying around. Like a first level testing sort of thing; if it says it then you go onto a level two test etc.

I'm still having healing sessions and working on this attachment point in my skull. I just had my 'awareness hands' in there gently feeling the attachment point and kind of trying to gently loosen it. As I was doing this (with eyes closed) I saw a pair of hands in my minds eye holding what looked to be an attachment cord. I formed a pair of scissors with my awareness hands and cut the cord. Then created a large lit match and lit one end of the cord while imagining it being lit like a fuse and burning away.

Sorry McArthur I 've been abit slow on this post...to your question the spasming in my groin area, yes i had felt wierd flowinf sensations and pinpricks etc that were not nice at all in the way you cant quite explain..(sort of like a violation i guess) but the spasm i spoke about not i had never felt that before. It was so strange..it felt as though there was somthing struggling, as though it disliked the energy from what peter was doing.

It eventually came away, but it had got a good grip!!

Nasty pieces of work...and not something 'talking about' solves..especially to your friends that are not in this sort of beleif system, so this forum is a good place for people to get things of their chest...

QuoteAlso something else that seems to help to "Test your spirits" is to get them to say things that a neg might not want to.

That might work, but I find that my way of testing spirits is foolproof - at least for me. Try seeing what you can feel coming from the spirit. If it feels bad, or there's no feeling of PUL from them, you can be sure they are not what you want hanging around you.

MacArthur --

You hold your own so well, it never occurred to me to pony up and say that part of my healing involved spirits coming in and being a part of me for awhile as The Universe "cleaned house" with some of the more seriously unpleasant squatters.

I was lucky enough to have someone really great going through a parallel experience, not specifically the same but close enough for support and perspective.  

She would just shake her head about both our lives and say that most of the time she felt like a revolving door homeless shelter for lost and displaced spirits, while I was an upscale timeshare condo.  Same "problem" just a better class of transients.

But that was all a long time ago.

Part of you? How, you mean, like soul braiding, walk in?

Quote from: AndromachePart of you? How, you mean, like soul braiding, walk in?

I'm never sure about the words.

I don't know what "soul braiding" is but I think not that.  Sounds too intimate and tightly wound.

People talk about walk ins but all I know is my own experience.  

I think for me, it's a matter of the spirits being resident in my personal space and STAYING there for some reason -- not wandering in and out.  It's like the difference between a roommate, a house guest, people at a dinner party, and the guy who comes to spray for bugs.

The ones that helped me were beautifully behaved with exquisite manners and moved on when their work was done, leaving me in much better shape than I was in before they came.

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That might work, but I find that my way of testing spirits is foolproof - at least for me. Try seeing what you can feel coming from the spirit. If it feels bad, or there's no feeling of PUL from them, you can be sure they are not what you want hanging around you.

Yes, this works at times too if you know how to 'feel' a spirits energy signature.  What is "PUL"?

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You hold your own so well, it never occurred to me to pony up and say that part of my healing involved spirits coming in and being a part of me for awhile as The Universe "cleaned house" with some of the more seriously unpleasant squatters.

Yes, this is exactly what is meant to be happening with the help of this Khodam. I ingest it so it blends into me and then once properly in and a part of me it goes to work kicking out all the uninvited squatters. I've experienced something like this before back in about 1997. I can't be exactly sure what happened but I had a male helping spirit that was talking to me and it seemed like he projected into my head from outside. After a short while he projected back outside my body again and said something like, "OK, I've just cleaned your mind for you."

edit: Another instance of help by what I think was the same spirit was when he gave me a healing session around the same time. I was lying on my back on the bed and he was at the foot of the bed holding my feet (I couldn't see him but could hear and feel him). I remember at the time I was amazed at the energy he was giving off, very warm and gentle but strong. He then guided me to use breath-awareness (luckily I had been learning about T'ai Chi) to inhale energy from him through my feet up to my head and then down the front to my heart chakra (I had had a severe psychic attack there.)

Quote from: McArthurOK here we go!!! Read this old thread of mine:

Em, Negs and Possession (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1290&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0)

I propose in that thread that negs somehow affect humans using subtle Electromagnetic fields in the brain, something which health authorities have also been able to do. I also postulate that EM fields also somehow affect negs in an adverse way. Now read this!

http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/050447.html

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Researchers at McLean Hospital's Brain Imaging Center have found that the oscillating magnetic fields of an MRI scanner (a machine commonly used in medicine to produce high-resolution images of internal organs and tissues) can immediately improve the moods of depressed patients suffering from bipolar disorder, a psychiatric illness characterized by alternating periods of mania and depression. A controlled study recently published in the American Journal of Psychiatry indicated that 23 out of 30 bipolar patients (77 percent) reported an improved mood after receiving the scan—and that 100 percent of the patients who were not taking antidepressant medication indicated a better mood.

{snip}

In fact, researchers first noticed the scan's mood-enhancing effects by accident, while conducting an unrelated study of medications' effectiveness on bipolar subjects. During that study, many subjects emerging from their EP-MRSI exams remarked to the technician on how much better they felt than before the scan. Some were even cracking jokes as they departed. "There were enough patients who told us—and these were unbiased observations—that we thought we ought to pay attention," Cohen explains. For some, the elevated mood lasted for hours; for others, it persisted as long as a week.

They don't know why it works, but I do!!!

They're inadvertantly zapping negs from people who don't know they have them!!! Depression, Bi-polar? Negs. Want a cure? Zap em with some strong EM pulses! (but do it regularly over a week or two to stop re-attachment, possibly getting Reiki healing for the auric holes where the negs are getting into the aura)

Now I just need one of these to test out my theory:

http://www.excel.net/~jaguar/MMP.html

McArthur, i read the exact same article about six months ago and took it to my therapist to show him. Now, he's just a regular therapist (far as i know) and i don't think he knows much about occult issues. But, he listens to me and he's about the only person i have to talk to.

I've been reading the Kryon channelings for a few years now, and a MAJOR point that Kryon makes is that as humans we have only a basic understanding of electricity, and magnetism, and virtually nothing of electromagnetism. At the risk of sounding whacky, i do believe in all of these things although i lack hardcore evidence, even experientially. Kryon focused several times on ancient Atlantis and their healing techniques that were pseduo-science/magic, and they involved low dosages of electromagnetism and a group of hands-on healers. Their powers of rejuvenation were quite amazing, but were reserved for the higher caste. Kryon states many many times that our scientists have the very answers to healing and health at our very fingertips, but we can't see it yet.

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Quote from: McArthurOK here we go!!! Read this old thread of mine:

Em, Negs and Possession (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1290&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0)

I propose in that thread that negs somehow affect humans using subtle Electromagnetic fields in the brain, something which health authorities have also been able to do. I also postulate that EM fields also somehow affect negs in an adverse way. Now read this!

http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/050447.html

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Researchers at McLean Hospital's Brain Imaging Center have found that the oscillating magnetic fields of an MRI scanner (a machine commonly used in medicine to produce high-resolution images of internal organs and tissues) can immediately improve the moods of depressed patients suffering from bipolar disorder, a psychiatric illness characterized by alternating periods of mania and depression. A controlled study recently published in the American Journal of Psychiatry indicated that 23 out of 30 bipolar patients (77 percent) reported an improved mood after receiving the scan—and that 100 percent of the patients who were not taking antidepressant medication indicated a better mood.

{snip}

In fact, researchers first noticed the scan's mood-enhancing effects by accident, while conducting an unrelated study of medications' effectiveness on bipolar subjects. During that study, many subjects emerging from their EP-MRSI exams remarked to the technician on how much better they felt than before the scan. Some were even cracking jokes as they departed. "There were enough patients who told us—and these were unbiased observations—that we thought we ought to pay attention," Cohen explains. For some, the elevated mood lasted for hours; for others, it persisted as long as a week.

I don't know why this applies, but it feels like I should share this (somewhat goofy) bit of info here.

My therapist is most unusual -- solid in the hard sciences -- chemistry, physics, biology -- solid in traditional theraputic techniqes -- solid in his own development.   His theory is that I am able to process in my etheric front brain and have intuition and cognition when and were none should be biochemically possible.  From there (he thinks) I adapt my energy patterns and drop them down on my physical psychobiology and effect change in traditionally unpredictable ways (quantum leaps) which in turn disorients my organic front brain patterns, simply because of the chaos of sudden change.  And homeostasis opposes the whole process.  He thinks that what he's seen is that as I grow in my ability to coordinate all this, I move forward faster and with less disruption.

IN his theory, I'm set up for this as an option because my energy package is so sensitve and reforms so easily in any kind of an energy field, with my body then following right along behind with just the predictable time lag for physical manifestaion.

Now, I treat all of this as "mythology" and suspect it may be like the story of the sun as a chariot driven through the sky during the day with the horses in the barn at night.  Some part of it is a workable model for something.  Me, I just keep doing what I do and exploring whatever works.

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My therapist is most unusual -- solid in the hard sciences -- chemistry, physics, biology -- solid in traditional theraputic techniqes -- solid in his own development.   His theory is that I am able to process in my etheric front brain and have intuition and cognition when and were none should be biochemically possible.  From there (he thinks) I adapt my energy patterns and drop them down on my physical psychobiology and effect change in traditionally unpredictable ways (quantum leaps) which in turn disorients my organic front brain patterns, simply because of the chaos of sudden change.  And homeostasis opposes the whole process.  He thinks that what he's seen is that as I grow in my ability to coordinate all this, I move forward faster and with less disruption.

Now, I treat all of this as "mythology" and suspect it may be like the story of the sun as a chariot driven through the sky during the day with the horses in the barn at night.  Some part of it is a workable model for something.  Me, I just keep doing what I do and exploring whatever works.

I always find it so fascinating the different approaches people take to the mysteries. In some ways your therapist probably IS right, from his perspective. I wonder what he would say if he knew you posted on boards with legitimate ghost hunters, wizards and psychics?

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Now theres an idea i would certainly give a try. Its not so much about having to stay in the coils, its more to do with getting a really strong *pulse* of some kind of field (or degausser) to see if it affects this entity or not. The very weak EM field given off by my beard trimer seems to do something, so i need something with a bit more Umph to it. I know this sounds like Sci-Fi and a little crazy but its all i have to go on right now. And i bet those [edit] coils are expensive too.

I noticed that thread was 2 years old! Whatever happened to your gauss coil experiment?

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I noticed that thread was 2 years old! Whatever happened to your gauss coil experiment?

I tried making a Magnetic Pulser myself from a coil and a camera flash (instructions here: How to make an EM pulser (http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/08/19/build_a_low_cost_simple_magnetic_pulser.htm)    ) but it didn't work very well (not strong enough or I didn't make it properly) and I kind of lost interest and/or had a feeling it didn't work....   and perhaps my resident negs helped me to believe it didn't. But now I stumbled on those medical articles I definitely have a renewed interest in trying one out.

The idea is still there and I still have the small coils I had made. I just need a better curcuit to connect it to with mains power supply rather than a battery operated flash unit. I've been collecting articles and links to places that sell them though.

http://www.royalrife.com/megamagpulser.html

The "megapulser" on this page that goes around your body looks interesting....
http://www.myholistichealthshop.com/magneticfullpage.html

And this one seems powerful (but expensive):
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~aklemens/pulserak.html

I would seriously love to get my hands on one of those professionally made ones to test it out on this neg(s) but I'm broke now after paying for this shamanic stuff. I may try to see what I can fix together with the coils I have after Christmas. I do have a small mains powered strobe light I might be able to use but would probably need a stronger capacitor for it.

Sounds like you have some really fun stuff lined up. If i lived in the UK i'd help you!

At the link to the instructions on how to make a Pulser there is a link to an article about how long exposure to  Em fields might be connected to an increased risk of  cancer/brain tumors.  And because entities/ghosts are giving off Em fields it's not too far fetched to propose that some cancers may be being caused by an attached neg. So get rid of the neg and the cancer should go into remission...

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the story of one woman who had multiple sclerosis and was struck by lightening.

That's an interesting story about the MS sufferer as I've just read this on another page about Magnetic pulsers:

http://www.royalrife.com/megamagpulser.html

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'I have an old neighbor that is 82 and active and arthritis free.. He had diagnosed with arthritis in his 50's when he was still working and was about to be forced to retire, because of the pain and swelling of joints..On a fishing trip to Canada, his last he felt he would ever be able to take, he was struck by lightning that hit the ground about 20 foot in front of him and rendered him unconscious.. He only remembers the "Buzzing' sound of high voltage electricity.. His friends shook him and applied CPR and he awakened and stood up and stood there swinging his arms and dancing on his lags and his friends asked him what he was doing , and he said that all the pain was gone.. He said he felt a little numb all over his body and After 3 days all the joint swelling was gone and he has "never" been bothered with Arthritis since..  

Quote from: narfellusSounds like you have some really fun stuff lined up. If i lived in the UK i'd help you!

Yes I do and thanks. My mothers b/f is an electrician so I think I'll rope him into helping me put one together if I can catch him in a good mood.

Do you think the Wachowski brothers know something we don't (well, I think I do)?

http://www.harcon.co.nz/matrix/matrixscript.htm



But the bug reacts violently. Neo screams as it wraps itself around the soft tissue web of intestine.

GIZMO: Sh*t.

TRINITY: What's happening?

GIZMO: I don't know. They've never done that before.

Neo writhes in pain.

GIZMO: Hold him down.

NEO: Jesus! God!

TRINITY: Do something!

GIZMO: I got it! Maybe we can stun it.

TRINITY: Are you crazy? That will kill him.

We watch Neo, who can't see what they are talking about.

GIZMO: It'll work. Come on, do it or Hacksaw will.

NEO: Do what?

The instant he hears the word, he knows.

TRINITY: Clear.

NEO: Oh, sh*t --

The cry is frozen in his mouth as the paddles hit his chest. Gizmo wrestles with the bug.

GIZMO: Hit him again!

Again, the electricity convulses through him as Gizmo yanks the speculum out.

GIZMO: Got it!

Trinity touches Neo, who is just beginning to breathe. She eases the tape off his eyes.

TRINITY: Neo, are you okay?

He nods.

TRINITY: It's over. We got it.

Hanging from the claw pick is the inanimate metal wire- tap.

GIZMO: Nasty little bugger, ain't it?
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And of course they also used EM pulses against  those "sentinels". Stranger than fiction eh?

Stranger than fiction. Too bad the Matrix movies couldn't live up the hype. They had some great ideas.  I've often wondered if being struck by lightning could have an effect other than killing you. The curing Hand of God, or something such. After all, our entire body is an electrical field, and EVERYTHING is energy. It still blows my mind that lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.

Quote from: McArthurAt the link to the instructions on how to make a Pulser there is a link to an article about how long exposure to  Em fields might be connected to an increased risk of  cancer/brain tumors.  And because entities/ghosts are giving off Em fields it's not too far fetched to propose that some cancers may be being caused by an attached neg. So get rid of the neg and the cancer should go into remission...

Phew, ok, I am finding a lot of interesting things on this subject of Em fields. For instance:

http://twm.co.nz/bem_Wall.htm

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Magnetic Crystals
Research has now confirmed the presence of small magnetic particles in living cells, and these could possibly act as natural magnetic detectors. Samples of human immune cells (leukemic T-cells) were found to respond to magnetic fields in experiments my colleagues and I conducted at the VA Medical Center in Loma Linda. When Dr. Kirschvink, at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, analyzed these cells, he confirmed the presence of tiny magnetic crystals, called magnetite.
This was the first hint that there might be detectors in the human body that could explain the sensitivity of the immune system to EM fields. Previously, Kirschvink and his colleagues had also discovered magnetite in the human brain, providing a possible basis for interactions between EM fields and the brain.  

If 'ghosts' are Em in nature could it be that one of the ways they attach to humans is via these magnetic crystals on a cellular level? Are some dis-eases caused by the magnetic properties of these crystals being damaged/changed/disrupted by a Negs invasive Em field? How about degaussing them?

Also:
LINK (http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/energy-resources/homepower-magazine/archives/13/hp13pg38.txt)

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It has been known for quite a while that E-M (electro-magnetic) fields
can effect biological mechanisms & controls.  This is not surprising
since living things have developed against an environmental background
of naturally occurring E-M fields.  There exists today a danger of EM
pollution that may approach in severity that of other more well publicized
types of environmental pollution.  Statistical studies have shown that
high current ac and very high current DC produced fields have a significant
effect on certain cancer rates.  Even low current ac produced fields
have shown brain chemistry and immune system effects in animal studies.
The most pronounced effects have been shown to occur in the band of
frequencies known as the ELF band.  These are frequencies between 1
and 100 cycles per second.  Effects have been noticed at very low power
levels within this band, even when higher carrier frequencies are modulated
at ELF frequencies.

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Are brain chemistry imbalances in some people being caused by a Negs Em field?

Also here:
LINK (http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/life_sciences/report-9931.html)

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Are our thoughts made of electricity? Not the familiar kind of electrical signals that travel up and down wires in our computer or nerves in our brain, but the distributed kind of electromagnetic field that permeates space and carries the broadcast signal to the TV or radio.

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What Professor McFadden realised was that every time a nerve fires, the electrical activity sends a signal to the brain's electromagnetic (em) field. But unlike solitary nerve signals, information that reaches the brain's em field is automatically bound together with all the other signals in the brain. The brain's em field does the binding that is characteristic of consciousness. What Professor McFadden and, independently, the New Zealand-based neurobiologist Sue Pockett, have proposed, is that the brain's em field IS consciousness.

The brain's electromagnetic field is not just an information sink; it can influence our actions, pushing some neurones towards firing and others away from firing. This influence, Professor McFadden proposes, is the physical manifestation of our conscious will.

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The above theory that consciouness is an Em field is highly interesting and fits in with the fact that "ghosts" (disembodied consciousness) are Em in nature. So what a 'possession' or Neg interference might be is when a foreign 'consciousness'(Em field) gets tangled up with our brains own Em field/consciousness. So perhaps when people experience Intrusive Thoughts (or telepathy?) from negs could it possibly be because it is our brain picking up and translating the Em field/signals from the 'Ghosts' own Em field/consciousness?

I just can't resist...this whole topic of the EM field of the body reminds me of an interesting short story.

Isaac Asimov, one of the greatest science fiction writers (Arthur C Clark called him the greatest SCIENCE writer), wrote a short story called "The Last Answer".  It begins when a scientist has a heart attack and discovers himself floating above his body watching the concerned friends around him gathered around his body.  His first thought is "Miracle of miracles, the life after life nuts were right!" LOL  

He then precedes to have a conversation with a Being of Light who approaches, one of the first questions he asks is, "Are you God?"  the Voice responds "It is strange that I am always asked that in, of course, an infinite number of ways.  There is no answer I can give that you would comprehend.  I Am--which is all that I can say significantly and you may cover that with any word or concept you please."  

The man than asks the Voice "And what am I?  A soul?"  The Voice answers "You are easy to explain--even to you.  You may call yourelf a soul if that pleases you, but what you are is a nexus of electromagnetic forces, so arranged that all the interconnections and inter-relationships are exactly imitative of those of your brain in your Universe existence--down to the smalled detail.  Therefore, you have your capacity for thought, your memories, your personality.  It still seems that you are you."  

Later, after more Q and A with this Being of Light, the man says "I know that we are not speaking in the ordinary fashion.  You adjust my nexus in such a way that I believe I hear you and I believe I speak, but you transfer thoughts to me and for me directly.  And when my nexus changes with my thoughts, you are at once aware of them and do not need my voluntary transmission.    The Voice says "You are surprisingly correct."  

There is much more to this humorous dialogue...and what makes this short story most interesting is that Asimov did indeed have a heart attack in his life.

During my experience with the negs, I became aware of something called a "thought before a thought".  It was an odd realization when I discovered that the negs were responding to "pre-thoughts", though difficult to describe, before a thought is formed in your mind, there is something I call a pre-thought.  

One of the main goals of this neg who has invaded my CNS was to try and pretend he was me.  But he would goof up sometimes-- a thought would pop up in my mind, though it may have been something I thought before, was not applicable to how I felt and thought now.  Sometimes he could fool me--but most of the time, he could not, because being a creative human being with a soul, with emotions, constantly evolving and growing, my consciousness is constantly changing.  

Perhaps because we are souled beings (perhaps it's a characteristic of our Divinity) we are not static beings, and are not easily predicted, even if a being can "read" our EM fields.  But having said that, I am concerned that these experiments are all about learning how to more easily imitate ones conscious mind so that more people can be manipulated.

Several great books have been written about the affect of ELF's (extremely low frequency waves) on the human body, including "The Body Electric" by Becker who wrote a follow up book with more tests and experiments.  It's well known by scientists, all this stuff.  What has not been done in a wide spread scientific manner, is to test how these fields not only affect life, but how we can use them to heal.  People like Tom Beardon talk about the potentials for machines to be built to allow this kind of healing using EM waves, and the people who try to do this, or try to illuminate the non scientific community about what the average person does not know about EM waves, is usually brought down in some manner.  I am not about to spout conspiracy theories, because that doesn't help to dwell on, but people, the truth of the matter is that the military already knows much more about this than we do--and they consider it top secret because they would prefer to use it for weaponry.  

It's a two edged sword,  Ex--the Russians bombarding the US embassy with radio waves (which they admitted to later) and the people in the embassy developed cancers at a much higher rate than the normal population.  Much research HAS been done on EM waves and it's affect on biological life.  I suppose we can all approach this from a purely "let's get rid of the negs" and not worry about how it works, why it works, or what other potentials there are for it...but this is not new.  

Which isn't to say "thank you" to McArthur for bringing it up because I've never heard of it being used to eliminate negs before (other than simple magnet experiments) and it's a fantastic idea.

One thing that I want to bring up in regards to my own experience that I have not heard anyone else mention--I would hear a tone whenever the negs were bring pumped out of me.  And a tone whenever they were being "pumped" into me.  During the height of my hell I felt like an inflateable balloon where I never knew who or what was going to be pumped in next.  (They told me they were experiementing with how much I could take...)  

In fact, I imagined the negs existing in canisters, and the ET's or non physicals (whatever you want to call them) would roll up the canisters, emit the tone and add this or that consciousness to my own consciousness field.  There is something to these tones that is significant.  

And I can't speak for anybody else, only myself--but my experience was a planned, coordinated event, not a result of "drive by" negs or consciousnesses becoming intertwined with my own EM field.  But having had the purposeful experiences allowed me to realize that I had felt certain of these feelings before, long before this purposeful, cocordinated attack, so I had been dealing with negs in a far less invasive manner for years without even knowing it.   But as my awareness grew, the attacks grew.  

If any of us can come up with a simple method of neg removal involving EM pulses or something like that, we could then find an open minded scientist willing to work with us to figure out why it works.  I believe the understanding of how and why it works, though secondary in importance, is extremely important.  In my experience, the negs are adaptable too.

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During my experience with the negs, I became aware of something called a "thought before a thought".  It was an odd realization when I discovered that the negs were responding to "pre-thoughts", though difficult to describe, before a thought is formed in your mind, there is something I call a pre-thought.

The Toltec shamans called it "the Parasite." insidious little thoughts that worm their way into your consciousness and proclaim themselves as your real thoughts. This happens way often than most people would believe. Your story is a wonderfulexample. It is all part of human evolution i believe, to become aware of these energy fields and transcend/understand them. And everyone is on their own path thru multiple incarnations, with persons such as yourself probably having similar experiences in the past.

QuoteOne of the main goals of this neg who has invaded my CNS was to try and pretend he was me.  But he would goof up sometimes-- a thought would pop up in my mind, though it may have been something I thought before, was not applicable to how I felt and thought now.  Sometimes he could fool me--but most of the time, he could not, because being a creative human being with a soul, with emotions, constantly evolving and growing, my consciousness is constantly changing.  

Don Miguel Ruiz writes about how we must be Warriors of Light against the Parasite, and the resulting mitote, a Veil of Mist that seperates us from our Higher Self.

QuotePerhaps because we are souled beings (perhaps it's a characteristic of our Divinity) we are not static beings, and are not easily predicted, even if a being can "read" our EM fields.  But having said that, I am concerned that these experiments are all about learning how to more easily imitate ones conscious mind so that more people can be manipulated.

Perhaps. I believe there are many many entities in the universe, all on their own Path. Some are as mean and cruel as humans. Some are just curious. Some are our "angels". For every bad group of ET's i like to think we have some good ones on our side. It's a difficult topic to understand because there are so few ways for most people to test it, although many people on this board have a darn good chance!

QuoteOne thing that I want to bring up in regards to my own experience that I have not heard anyone else mention--I would hear a tone whenever the negs were bring pumped out of me.  And a tone whenever they were being "pumped" into me.  During the height of my hell I felt like an inflateable balloon where I never knew who or what was going to be pumped in next.  (They told me they were experiementing with how much I could take...) In fact, I imagined the negs existing in canisters, and the ET's or non physicals (whatever you want to call them) would roll up the canisters, emit the tone and add this or that consciousness to my own consciousness field.  There is something to these tones that is significant.  

Sound vibrations are incredible important. Yes, i think that must be related to the Em field somehow.

QuoteAnd I can't speak for anybody else, only myself--but my experience was a planned, coordinated event, not a result of "drive by" negs or consciousnesses becoming intertwined with my own EM field.  But having had the purposeful experiences allowed me to realize that I had felt certain of these feelings before, long before this purposeful, cocordinated attack, so I had been dealing with negs in a far less invasive manner for years without even knowing it.   But as my awareness grew, the attacks grew.  

Again, i think you are one of the Earth's growing populace of "shiners." You are attractive because of the progress you have made, although i'm sure you would rather not be. I think it's probably a good thing in a spiritual sense, you're higher on the rung to perfection than many others. But that's all just conjecture on my part, i could be completely wrong, but you seem to have a solid grasp of what has been done to you.

QuoteIf any of us can come up with a simple method of neg removal involving EM pulses or something like that, we could then find an open minded scientist willing to work with us to figure out why it works.  I believe the understanding of how and why it works, though secondary in importance, is extremely important.  In my experience, the negs are adaptable too.

i'm all for experiments! This is a fun thread, thanks all for sharing.

That was a really interesting story about the Light being and also some other interesting bits I will think about. For now I will comment on this:

Quote from: kaili

One thing that I want to bring up in regards to my own experience that I have not heard anyone else mention--I would hear a tone whenever the negs were bring pumped out of me.  And a tone whenever they were being "pumped" into me.  During the height of my hell I felt like an inflateable balloon where I never knew who or what was going to be pumped in next.  (They told me they were experiementing with how much I could take...)  

You have to remember that they are probably lying. They will weave stories trying to get you to believe this or that because it might give them a better hold over you. At least that is what I have found through my own experiences anyway. Why should you trust what they tell you?

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In fact, I imagined the negs existing in canisters, and the ET's or non physicals (whatever you want to call them) would roll up the canisters, emit the tone and add this or that consciousness to my own consciousness field.  There is something to these tones that is significant.  

Ahh, we now come back to Tinnitus that I have been researching and that I mentioned earlier in this thread. People suffering from "Tinnitus" get that tone and at times it's many different tones with the pitch fluctuating. This is, in fact, how I opened up my Clairaudience. I started getting these tones and for some reason I wondered if it was a spirit. So the next time I heard the tone I said out loud, "If you are a spirit making that tone in my ears do it again." And it did. I then spent time concentrating on the very faint hissing sound in my ears with the occasional tones for a week or two. Eventually I could make out fluctuations in the pitch of the buzzing/hissing sound which got stronger and stronger until I started to 'hear' words and then whole sentences. Unfortunately it was a neg I was foolishly opening my Clairaudience to and that was how my whole problem really started and got worse.

The occasional sharp tones, I have always felt, are to do with an influx of energy nearby as an Entity projects into the room. Something happened recently which kind of goes with my theory of this. My mother also gets occasional tones in her ears (and also has a neg problem) but I haven't told her what I think it is because I don't want her opening up even more to the neg that is bothering her (which she doesn't know is there--I won't tell her until I am sure I have a way of getting rid of it). Anyway, we were on holiday a few months ago in the caravan when I heard a loud tone again. But I was facing my mother at the time and I saw her 'jump' (the tones always make her jump when she hears them...) so I asked her, "Did you just hear a tone in your ears again?" She said yes. I said, "So did I." She was busy with other things and didn't really notice what I said or the possible implications of it. But yes, it wasn't just in my head, she heard it too!

So as you can imagine, I am fairly convinced that a lot of Tinnitus sufferers are having entity trouble.  I definitely advise against talking to the tone in your ears and not paying it any attention (and coincidentally, Tinnitus sufferers say that if they concentrate on the sound it gets louder/worse.) What happened with me is that I opened my Clairaudience but couldn't shut it down again. So the entity really had me by the balls with constant chattering in my ears and me wearing headphones with loud music to try and drown it out. Of course, "where the attention goes the energy flows" and it was plugged directly into one of my senses and draining me of energy with the constant noise I couldn't switch off. This is what is happening to Schizophrenics all over the world. They aren't having "auditory hallucinations", it's bloody negs vampirizing them! It's no wonder "11 out of 12" of them in the study I quote in this thread had lesser symptoms after the doctors had been zapping the negs with Em pulses!

Time for a cigar I think, I love it when a plan comes together. :wink:

QuoteYou have to remember that they are probably lying. They will weave stories trying to get you to believe this or that because it might give them a better hold over you. At least that is what I have found through my own experiences anyway. Why should you trust what they tell you?

They ARE lying.  And I don't trust anything they say--nor should you.  I am simply relating my experience.  Now, we can stop lecturing and advising each other and just start sharing experiences.  (I added this comment on their part not because I think they were telling the truth, but because it's a good example of how they can make you feel like a labratory rat instead of a human being).

As far as advice goes, the only comments that I find helpful are what worked for you (he, she, whoever is recounting their experience).  I share my experience for those who may have similar ones and can relate.  Now, to share what does work for me:

1) concentrating on one non moving picture in my mind, like a blue sky (they hate this).  It's much harder to do than it sounds once entities have access to your CNS.  This is a temp "fix" and simply disrupts their ability to gain further control

2) low doses of benzodiapezem like clonopin, valium, etc.  I am more relaxed emotionally as well as physically, my lymbic brain is not so exciteable, and they can't arouse me as easily (get me mad, frustrated, etc).  Also, the sounds that they project seem farther away and are therefore much easier to ignore.  As McArthur states, where you put your attention, you put your energy, which is why they work round the clock to keep you focused on them.

3) Being with other people who engage my thoughts or emotions in a positive way.  Focusing on a conversation, a video game, anything that brings me joy and brings my focus away from my inner world.

I have tried "letting go" and using non resistance--once when my emotional and mental state was depleted, I simply laid back and said "go ahead, do your worst" or something to that affect and then waited to see what would happen.  They continued their attack but could not take over my mind or body.  I sensed they were trying desperately, but there was some barrier.  They are trying to break down that barrier.

The tones, or high pitched sounds--my point about them is they are directly related to the projections.  They are using technology, something we know very little about.  A type of technology that uses access to your own mind and cannot be done without your own mind.

QuoteNow, we can stop lecturing and advising each other and just start sharing experiences.

Well, I'm sorry you felt that I was lecturing you, I just comment on things that come to mind and certainly don't mean to come across as though I am telling you what you should or should not do. If you are upset about the way I post it's not because I am trying purposefully to do so.

Also, you might know they are lying, and I might know, but someone else reading might not. I was merely using it as an example to show how negs play their mind-games on people, as it was not clear in your post whether you believed what they were saying or not. The advice about not conversing with Tinnitus 'tones' wasn't especially just for you but for anyone reading, as Tinnitus is quite common and I wouldn't want someone to read it then go off trying to contact spirits through it and get into the same mess that I did. Although I suppose my post was, in part, a reply to you and not clear on whom I may have been addressing and why. Hopefully I've now cleared that up and we can concentrate on the topic rather than bickering.

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The tones, or high pitched sounds--my point about them is they are directly related to the projections. They are using technology, something we know very little about. A type of technology that uses access to your own mind and cannot be done without your own mind.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that Inorganic Spirit-Beings use physical technology? Do you have any links or more info on what you mean?

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The tones, or high pitched sounds--my point about them is they are directly related to the projections. They are using technology, something we know very little about. A type of technology that uses access to your own mind and cannot be done without your own mind.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that Inorganic Spirit-Beings use physical technology? Do you have any links or more info on what you mean?

I don't have a source for this anymore, but I'll bet there are people here who know all about it.

Part of my healing 15 years ago, involved tone therapy.  A Unity church paid for me to have whatever alternative therapy might possibly help and about that time one of my healers went to a seminar and bought a system that recorded people's voices analysed them and then calculated what pure tone was needed to balance and stabilize that person's electroharmonics.  

The voice pattern analysis was linked to a color coded chakra linked chart that described specific patterns of "unwellness"  Mine voice test just nailed me with perfect accuracy.  As I recall, the missing pattern for me was "B"

It was just some goofy thing, but since I had a free pass, we tried it.  I can't describe how powerfully effective it was for me.  I used it for years and wore out 2 tapes.  

I think I'm the only person that healer ever used that system on effectively.  

I STILL use sound therapy when I get into the least bit of trouble -- usually one of a handful of Steven Halpern CDs, but most recently Shastro "Shambala"

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QuoteNow, we can stop lecturing and advising each other and just start sharing experiences.

Well, I'm sorry you felt that I was lecturing you, I just comment on things that come to mind and certainly don't mean to come across as though I am telling you what you should or should not do. If you are upset about the way I post it's not because I am trying purposefully to do so.

Also, you might know they are lying, and I might know, but someone else reading might not. I was merely using it as an example to show how negs play their mind-games on people, as it was not clear in your post whether you believed what they were saying or not. The advice about not conversing with Tinnitus 'tones' wasn't especially just for you but for anyone reading, as Tinnitus is quite common and I wouldn't want someone to read it then go off trying to contact spirits through it and get into the same mess that I did. Although I suppose my post was, in part, a reply to you and not clear on whom I may have been addressing and why. Hopefully I've now cleared that up and we can concentrate on the topic rather than bickering.

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McArthur,

I get a lot of benefit out of your posts.  
This is for feedback, and not in any way a criticism.

I experience an oppressive lecturing tone when you comment on someone else's post.  I do not experince that when you post something that's original to you and not in reaction to someone else.

I hear you "referee" what's real and what's not.  The trouble with that is that your sense of "real" is ontological.  Even though you have a HUGE range and scope and some pretty "out there" experience, "Reality" is a big place and there's a lot of "real" that doesn't fit for you.  

Your point that there are novices out here who can be damaged by misdirection is doubtless accurate, but they're going to get in trouble anyway.  There's a lot of stuff that gets posted that's pretty questionable that nobody challenges.

For what it's worth, some people (and I am one) can only truly LEARN something when they TEACH it.  I'm still immature in that but it's completely part of who I am, so it becomes part of my communication patterns when I least intend it.  

It's a gift, but one with a bit of a "pet tiger" quality to it.  It's really tough when the tiger cub grows up with the kittens and doesn't understand why it doesn't work out when they jump on the top of the bookshelf like everyone else.  

Feedback.  For whatever it's worth.

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I experience an oppressive lecturing tone when you comment on someone else's post.  I do not experince that when you post something that's original to you and not in reaction to someone else.

Ouch. Oppressive? OK I'll have to work on that I guess. But, oppressive? Would you mind giving an example from this thread of what you mean?

p.s. Thanks for the lecture. ;)

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I experience an oppressive lecturing tone when you comment on someone else's post.  I do not experince that when you post something that's original to you and not in reaction to someone else.

Ouch. Oppressive? OK I'll have to work on that I guess. But, oppressive? Would you mind giving an example from this thread of what you mean?

p.s. Thanks for the lecture. ;)

Example:  I experienced the oppressive, lecturing tone in this post that follows . . . even though you were specifically trying to do the opposite.
Well, I'm sorry you felt that I was lecturing you, I just comment on things that come to mind and certainly don't mean to come across as though I am telling you what you should or should not do. If you are upset about the way I post it's not because I am trying purposefully to do so.

Also, you might know they are lying, and I might know, but someone else reading might not. I was merely using it as an example to show how negs play their mind-games on people, as it was not clear in your post whether you believed what they were saying or not. The advice about not conversing with Tinnitus 'tones' wasn't especially just for you but for anyone reading, as Tinnitus is quite common and I wouldn't want someone to read it then go off trying to contact spirits through it and get into the same mess that I did. Although I suppose my post was, in part, a reply to you and not clear on whom I may have been addressing and why. Hopefully I've now cleared that up and we can concentrate on the topic rather than bickering.

Again, the reason I'm commenting is that this is a BIG communication problem of my own, and I know how difficult it can be to deal with -- especially if you're unaware of it.  Obviously, I have trouble even WITH awareness, but that's just grist for the mill.  I presume that Life will evenually wear off my sharp edges.

Thank you Chmerae!

McArthur--you made a point, I needed to clarify, and if your tone was not the way it was, I probably would have done so quickly. :?

As far as the tones that always precede the coming and going of astral energy, I hesitate to say what I think they are because I could be wrong.  I simply noticed that they always correlate.  Why do I think this is technology?  This would be a long, long post and I don't feel up to it right now.

Frequency is probably the key to understanding a lot of the unseen world, whether using EM pulses, or some other technology.  The tiniest atoms have vibration, down to the smallest particles, and thus a frequency.  
When people talk about energy signatures, this is what I pick up on.

When I hear the tones now, I turn my attention away, try to focus on something else.  But there is a part of me, I call the Observer, who throughout my life, throught my ordeal, I am aware of.  This observer self records everything, but never interferes (despite begs, pleas, prayers, etc).  A silent observer, I call my True Self.  And it is this objective, non involved presence, that has kept me from being fooled by very sophisticated methods of manipulation.  

To me, the tones are a type of energy signature--but as soon as I picked up on this, and they knew what I was thinking regarding certain tones (if it comes via my left ear, it means X, if it comes via my right ear, it means Y, if it is short and high pitched, it means Z, and so on), they used that information to manipulate me using those same tones.  So I learned that it was best not to CONSCIOUSLY focus on them.  But I've never felt the presence of astral activity (coming and going) without them.

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Example:  I experienced the oppressive,

Hmmm... why would you want to experience that?

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lecturing tone in this post that follows . . . even though you were specifically trying to do the opposite.

Well, I shall be honest with you. Perhaps you may have been picking up on the fact that I found it oppressive to be lectured to on the way I post or what I should be posting. I now understand that kaili has an issue with people giving advice and it isn't just me, so I shall refrain from it in future in order not to intentionally upset her. Talking of which, I had hoped we could get past this slight diversion but then you come and lecture me on how "you feel" I am supposedly making you feel. I am not responsible for your feelings, you are. Especially as it was not my Intent to be oppressive.

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Again, the reason I'm commenting is that this is a BIG communication problem of my own, and I know how difficult it can be to deal with -- especially if you're unaware of it.

I do understand that what you are trying to do is give "friendly advice" but I'm not altogether sure whether to be insulted or not. You were trying to lecture me on my posting style, timidly disguised as "feedback" that was "not in any way a criticism" as though talking gently down to a child. You even hinted that you felt I was being immature, or else why would you use your own immaturity as an example?

Of course, the lesson in all of this (for me) is that I don't appreciate your tone just like kaili didn't appreciate mine. And also that perhaps we have to take responsibility for our own emotions rather than projecting a form of blame onto others. And that sometimes things may not be as they seem. And also to nurture the feeling that we are able to love ourselves as we are rather than being forced to bend our wills to the insecure needs of others (or ourselves because we have a need to be liked). I understand that I may get carried away at times but I simply refuse to walk on eggshells. I'm not forcing anyone to read what I post and the choice is always there not to. So I would appreciate it if you would refrain from attempting to force me into a mold you have built for yourself, not me.

Can we get onto the subject of what hurts negs now or not, as I'm sure they are enjoying this diversion?

Talking of which (and to no-one in particular), I seem to be making a much better connection with this Khodam. The healing sessions (as I call them) started off quite mild and short but are getting much stronger and longer in duration. Last night my heart chakra, chest and other areas felt "hot" (the energy actually kind of feels like it would if one was sunbathing on a summer day) and very active for at least 4 hours and I could feel strong energy flowing into me that somehow disrupts the attachment/interference of these negs. There are one or two entities still there but they are definitely very weak and to be honest at times I don't even notice them (as opposed to the before state where I was aware of them more or less 24/7). In fact I had quite a long period last night where my Clairaudience was totally quiet with no "voices" chattering away. The same is happening as I type and to say it's a relief would be an understatement. I can sort of sense the entities fighting and that they are certainly not happy about what is happening but I am very calm about it and have a kind of "indifference" towards them as though they are really quite an insignificant problem, which also seems to be helping (rather than thinking they are some kind of important experience, which would be a kind of attachment on my part making it more difficult to rid myself of them).

The night before last I did feel some neg activity/pain around my crown chakra, so in addition to the healing I am receiving I put some cut garlic cloves on the area using a hat to hold them down (I also put some at my base chakra while I was at it) and the activity eventually went away without too much trouble.

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To me, the tones are a type of energy signature--but as soon as I picked up on this, and they knew what I was thinking regarding certain tones (if it comes via my left ear, it means X, if it comes via my right ear, it means Y, if it is short and high pitched, it means Z, and so on), they used that information to manipulate me using those same tones.

I have had similar manipulation but not with 'tones'. I can feel when an entity touches me (especially my legs) and even have real physical surface muscles twitch when they do so. It got started that they would use my left leg for a "no" comment and my right leg for a "yes" comment, which they are still doing to a certain degree as I type. So they then monitor my thoughts for anything they feel worth commenting on (that would help them to dig into me deeper) and then immediately either 'touch' my left or right leg making a yes or no comment (and therefore trying to influence what I think about the thought they are trying to comment on). I have noticed though that some of the thoughts they seem to 'comment' on sometimes feel like it is they who are injecting it into my mind because the twitch in either leg would be at the very same time as the thought...  and the thought itself would have a feeling of "not me" to it.

I feel that the purpose is not really to comment on my thoughts but to make more attachments to my mind/Inner metaspace. I've had that for 7 years and to say it's annoying would be an understatement. It is highly frustrating and many a time I have drunk myself numb on alcohol (which in the end only serves to weaken me further, even though there would be a temporary respite). Only now am I starting to be able to ignore the thoughts they seem to be commenting on as they touch either leg. At some points in the past though I had started to accept their comments without realizing it if I didn't remain vigilant (even though I know it is a form of manipulation). For instance, I would perhaps think "I wonder if that is correct or not" about something and then get a muscle twitch in my left leg for no...  and find myself thinking "Oh, it mustn't be correct then." It's really quite an insidious form of mental intrusion. But I'm now well onto their little games and am finding it easier and easier to counteract it.

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 So I learned that it was best not to CONSCIOUSLY focus on them.  But I've never felt the presence of astral activity (coming and going) without them.

So what do you think about the fact that Tinnitus sufferers complain of these tones also?

http://www.t-gone.com/tinnitus-faq2/noise-0021.asp

http://www.zak.co.il/deaf-info/old/tinnitus.html#whatisit

Quote from: McArthurI can feel when an entity touches me (especially my legs) and even have real physical surface muscles twitch when they do so. It got started that they would use my left leg for a "no" comment and my right leg for a "yes" comment, which they are still doing to a certain degree as I type.

I'll add something to this that I just remembered and how I remembered it. After posting the above I got up to make some tea and this entity was being a pest making muscles/nerves twitch in my legs again. I switched on my beard trimmer (which I keep plugged in) and rubbed it over my legs kind of trying to stop the sensations in my legs (see the link in this thread to my previous thread about Em fields and negs about why I use this). Then I ran the trimmer over my head and neck (this tends to give me some instant relief of this entity and I use it when the interference gets too much) and as I did so the muscle/nerve twitches in my legs became a lot weaker. I suddenly remembered a theory I had been thinking about as to how the entity is able to make the muscles in my legs twitch.

It actually doesn't feel like my main leg muscles but the nerves in my legs that are probably connected to the CNS. And I have been thinking about the following:


http://www.erowid.org/spirit/devices/devices_article1.shtml
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"We can use TMS to prevent people from seeing a visual stimulus or make it hard for them to speak", he says. They can also make people move their limbs without any voluntary control."

and;

"In scientific terminology, he uses a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal - one dubbed the "Thomas Pulse" - to create a "sensed presence" in the test subject's brain. "

If this neg is indeed using subtle Em fields to my brain (and I can actually feel it in my skull, whatever it is doing) then perhaps these sensations in my legs aren't because it is somehow attached to them but because it is creating the sensations directly via my brain/CNS which then feel very realistically on my legs. If this is true then it's really bloody clever isn't it? All this time my attention has been diverted to my legs thinking I have attachment points there when in fact it's in my skull. What better tactic to use against your victim than to get them to believe the problem is somewhere the furthest away from where it actually is? It now seems so obvious that if it is indeed somehow connecting into the CNS (using Em fields or otherwise) that it would be via the Brain and spine and not the legs... and how the hell would it be monitoring my thoughts anyway if it was only connected to my legs?

That's it, no more concentrating on illusionary attachments to my legs. From now on I'm concentrating on getting this thing out of my skull.

What makes this even more insidious of course is that the majority of people reading posts like mine would think I was quite insane. I'm sure it suits the Neg agenda perfectly that people like me are at risk of being locked away in an Asylum, believed to be a madman, and effectively silenced.

Quote from: McArthurFor instance, I would perhaps think "I wonder if that is correct or not" about something and then get a muscle twitch in my left leg for no...  and find myself thinking "Oh, it mustn't be correct then." It's really quite an insidious form of mental intrusion. But I'm now well onto their little games and am finding it easier and easier to counteract it.

It is a little more complicated than this actually. They/It don't always attempt to make me believe the opposite of what is correct in this way. They make "comments" that are sometimes true and sometimes false. It's a confusion technique they use to wear their victim down. You can't just automatically think they lie about everything because they will often give a "yes" to something that is indeed a yes, therefore trying to make you believe the opposite (by telling the truth) because you know they lie so often (if you understand my meaning). And at those times when you get "correct information" it can be tempting to believe there may be another "good spirit" trying to give you proper 'advice'. The old good cop/bad cop routine is one of their tricks. One scares you to death and wears you down with psychic attacks then another one comes along to "save you" (or it could even be the same Neg pretending to be both) and you're so thankful you open up with complete trust to the second neg. So the only option is to totally ignore these "comments", but as I've already said it can be hard to do when they are doing it almost 24/7.

It's no wonder they don't like me with me giving away so many of their secrets. ;) Knowledge is Power, and knowledge of how they work helps to build defenses against them. If I had never had a neg problem I wouldn't know so much of how they operate and therefore be working on ways to beat them. It is a kind of poetic Justice that their interference with humans may be the cause of their eventual downfall. And the more they attack me the closer I get to finding an eventual solution to the neg problem.

I've just instructed my Khodam to get as much knowledge from the "mind" of this neg as possible as to how it has been attacking/influencing humans and in what ways. I feel that if this neg can somehow scan my mind then it ought to be possible for another strong spirit to scan the negs mind. So we steal  it's thoughts and knowledge in order to know just exactly how to fight it, just like it has been doing to me ( I'm sure it has the knowledge of how it can be hurt and what hurts it and other negs and what kind of defenses work against them). Then once I'm rid of it I can get the Khodam to pass this knowledge onto me (which is exactly the kind of thing that Adepts have used Khodams for throughout the centuries). So we reverse the situation from me being attacked to me and my Khodam holding it hostage to "interrigate" it for what it knows. Nice, I like that idea.   :wink:   8)

This just may work you know. It's weakness is the fact it has connected into my mind. But I am blending this Khodam into my mind also. So the Khodam should be able to invade the Negs "mind" and thoughts through its attachment to my mind. We Hack into it throught it's attachment! Ahh, Tai Kwon Do of the spiritual kind. ;)

I'm now constantly repeating to it (and getting my Khodam to repeat it), "What hurts you?" And believe it or not it's gone awefully quiet. I wonder how long it will be able to concentrate on not giving away ways it can be hurt. It's the old trick of how to get someone to think about monkeys by saying, "Don't think of monkeys!" (a variation of which it has used against me) ;) So if I or my Khodam repeat "What hurts you?" often enough I'm sure it will slip up with the occasional thought of how it has been hurt in the past, or at the very least keep it occupied.

Merry Christmas!

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Ummm you may wish to look up the definition of "copyright" claiming something is copyrighted implies that you have a document certifying your work has been reviewed and copy protected.

I don't mean to be picky or rude but there are a number of issues of ownership when "original work" is produced on what might be considered collective public media.

Quote from: GrigoriUmmm you may wish to look up the definition of "copyright" claiming something is copyrighted implies that you have a document certifying your work has been reviewed and copy protected.

Ummm...  I think you'll find you're getting Copyright mixed up with Patents.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc

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Copyright is secured automatically[/b] when the work is created, and a work is "created" when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. "Copies" are material objects from which a work can be read or visually perceived either directly or with the aid of a machine or device, such as books, manuscripts, sheet music, film, videotape, or microfilm.

I have my "copy" on my material hard drive which is a "machine or device" with which it can be read.

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I don't mean to be picky or rude but there are a number of issues of ownership when "original work" is produced on what might be considered collective public media.

http://tinyurl.com/5fqnp

Anyway, it was mainly a bit of lighthearted fun rather then the notion someone was going to print my posts for financial gain. It's actually not even necessary to give a copyright notice for your original work, it just makes it that bit easier to make a complaint against infringement should the occasion arise. I appreciate your concern though. ;)

MacArthur,

I owe you a serious apology.

It really was my intention to be helpful AND you are right on target that I have the exact same problem only much worse.  It's a flaw of mine and causes me (and obviously others) distress.

It's a sign that I'm out of balance and need to stop and get straight with myself.

You have WAY too much going on in deep levels for "feedback" like that to possibly be helpful.  Also, what I perceived could easily be just a matter of you in the midst of your work of the moment.

I screwed up.  

Christina

QuoteIt is a little more complicated than this actually. They/It don't always attempt to make me believe the opposite of what is correct in this way. They make "comments" that are sometimes true and sometimes false. It's a confusion technique they use to wear their victim down. You can't just automatically think they lie about everything because they will often give a "yes" to something that is indeed a yes, therefore trying to make you believe the opposite (by telling the truth) because you know they lie so often (if you understand my meaning). And at those times when you get "correct information" it can be tempting to believe there may be another "good spirit" trying to give you proper 'advice'. The old good cop/bad cop routine is one of their tricks. One scares you to death and wears you down with psychic attacks then another one comes along to "save you" (or it could even be the same Neg pretending to be both) and you're so thankful you open up with complete trust to the second neg. So the only option is to totally ignore these "comments", but as I've already said it can be hard to do when they are doing it almost 24/7.

Yes, yes, and yes.  You and I experienced the exact same thing, came to the same conclusions.  And because what you just said is true--what makes you so trusting to think that the khodam is not the same ol' same ol' "good cop/bad cop" routine?  

Most people, because of their heart nature, their vulnerability in spiritual matters, want so much to believe that all this is some kind of spiritual test.  Or they are going through this to somehow help humanity--I catch myself falling into the same trap.  I tell the negs all the time that no matter how I fail or succeed consciously in "nailing" them, my Observer self knows their signature, and all Beings are held accountable ultimately.  And I truly believe this.  But what if they are just analogous to sharks in a feeding frenzy?  Suddenly a school of fish appears before them, and they eat.  No more, no less.  

These non physical Beings have been talked about in every culture, the good and the bad, the ghosts, the spiritual guides, the "entities, or ET's, in the fourth dimension".  Every culture has different names for them, and most would agree, they get some kind of energy from humanity or they wouldn't stick around.  It seems that in the last five or ten years, the barrier separating us has thinned.  Perhaps this is simply because of physics.  

Have you stopped to consider, with all that we don't know about EM fields, and the little that we (humanity) has discovered recently, these affects that we are experiencing could be a simple cause and effect, with no spiritual purpose at all.  The magnetic field of the earth is changing--has changed quite drastically in that it's been erratic these last twenty years.  The Schuman resonance, the same thing.  All of which life depends on to be healthy, to be sane.  Perhaps the only thing that you and I and others like us (we don't know how many are going through it and simply in an insane asylum) have in common is increased sensitivity to these changing fields, and the desire and tendency to want to analyze or explain it.  

You have a tendency in your posts to respond to your own posts.  In the height of my neg control, this was a reflection of me---I found myself responding as if I was a split personality.  One part comments, than another, then another, as if I am a multitude of Beings.  This isn't all bad--because for lack of a way to "figure this out" with someone who knows what you're going through, and exactly what you know without being able to explain why you know, causes you to be able to test your own conclusions.  So it's okay, as long as you know you are doing it.  

It's terrible what is happening to some of us, and it's helpful (to a point) to come here and analyze it publicly for those who may go through it in the future (or who are lurking and afraid to jump into the fire).  But try for the most part to forget the analyzing and just observe.  That's the message I was trying to convey to you earlier--you have a tendency to analyze your own experiences, which is your right to do so.  You do not have the qualifications to analyze anybody elses (but which you try to do).  By qualifications, I don't mean a PhD, I mean only the person going through the experience is qualified to analyze it.

The best we can do for each other is simply to share our observations.  You may be amazed at the patterns that emerge without drawing one conclusion.

If you've glimpsed even a tiny bit of that true Power, you know that what you and I and others are going through could be stopped--in a heartbeat.  I am sure you have witnessed or felt this power--it seems to be the only spiritual solace for what we are going through.  

I do not think of this as a spiritual test.  This is not the "hero's journey" the "dark night of the soul".  That is the myth propagated by the feeders to get you to suffer.  Enlightenment doesn't require the kind of suffering that you and I are going through, McArthur.  Or that Chimerea and others have gone through.  Enlightenment is simply knowing.  If you find a means to stop it, by all means, do so.  But I seriously doubt it will come in the form of a "good spirit".  It will most likely come about through the understanding of technology and science and our own bodies.  I believe that's the true spiritual test-- "know thyself".  Literally.

But until that true understanding comes, and with it, the means and methods to stop the assaults, I'm with you--trying any way I know to mitigate the suffering.  If the Khodam does this for you, great--if not, don't give up.  People like Chimerea and Robert have found a way to the other side--but they still can't explain it.  And their way doesn't neccessarily work for everybody--but it helps to share what does work.

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You have WAY too much going on in deep levels for "feedback" like that to possibly be helpful.  Also, what I perceived could easily be just a matter of you in the midst of your work of the moment.

That is very perceptive of you. It's also because I've had 7 years of constant "voices" criticizing my every thought, so I can get a little.. prickly about it (but certainly wouldn't expect to be treated with kid gloves because of it). I also now see that my comments on kaili's experiences may have had a similar effect, so apologies to you kaili for that (although I still disagree that Angels are parasites ;) ). And don't worry about it Christina there's absolutely no harm done, it gave me a chance to affirm my will and also learn a couple of lessons. So we can both now just let it go without having any attachments to it. Like I said, I know you were trying to help, as I was trying to help kaili in my ham-fisted kind of way.

(kaili I'll get to your post later, need to give my brain a rest for a while.)

Excuse me while I comment on my own posts again. ;) I do this because after I've written something down I often get or find other insights in connection to what I've written. Which is why me posting this stuff kind of helps in a way. If I wasn't writing this stuff down I may not be getting these insights etc.

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If 'ghosts' are Em in nature could it be that one of the ways they attach to humans is via these magnetic crystals on a cellular level? Are some dis-eases caused by the magnetic properties of these crystals being damaged/changed/disrupted by a Negs invasive Em field? How about degaussing them?

I.E. If a neg is Em in nature could it not be attaching some of its negative poles to the positive poles within ourselves in the same way that the south and north of two magnets do? And are strong magnetic pulses perhaps disrupting the polarities of this connection thus breaking off the attachment? And is the reason why peoples health is improving after EM Pulse Treatment (or being struck by lightning)  because the neg attachment is no longer there causing the Em/electrical disruptions in cells in Medical cases and/or thought intrusions in Mental Health cases? No-one knows as yet why EM pulse therapy works, could this be the reason?

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The above theory that consciouness is an Em field is highly interesting and fits in with the fact that "ghosts" (disembodied consciousness) are Em in nature. So what a 'possession' or Neg interference might be is when a foreign 'consciousness'(Em field) gets tangled up with our brains own Em field/consciousness.

Here's yet another interesting article I'll add a snippet of below (empasis mine):

http://www.electronetwork.org/articles/pulse.htm

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To me this all sounded oddly familiar, as I myself am an electrical researcher, who has a theory of the electrical evolution of the universe. [8] But the mystery, to me, has always blurred from the point of cellular evolution up to that of human beings. It is easy to realize the significance of electricity in relation to our electrical senses, NERVOUS SYSTEM, brain, and consciousness, but less so on the microscopic scale, when analyzing the effects of single electrons upon the macrocosm of the human body- but this is exactly what the field of electro- chemistry and Dr. Garnett in particular have accomplished.

In fact, this electronic interaction is the First Pulse that Dr. Garnett and myself believe constitutes life. That is, along with the structural information in a chain of molecules, say, making up DNA, is a flow of energy which keeps the cell, and thus the body, healthy. This pulse is a vibration, the result of a frequency of shaking molecules, a literal 'music of the spheres' to be heard by those listening to its signal. [9]

What is amazing is that, while Dr. Garnett has an understanding of this microscopic level, he goes on to compare the electrical nature at the cellular level with that of the macroscopic level of the electrical infrastructure, with a good understanding of both Edison's and Tesla's contributions to electrical science and technology, and in turn relates their electrical theories of alternating current (AC) and direct current (DC) to his work with this vital spark of the energetic electron. [10] It is this universality of electrical knowledge which is so inspiring.

Ultimately, this electronic First Pulse is metabolic: the cell's food is electrical which in turn the DNA utilizes to create an electrical field. [11] Filling in a piece of the mysterious puzzle of electrical evolution, Dr. Garnett states: "The schematic is complete. The cell has its first pulse, which makes an active energy exchange between the internal and external... And this first pulse resonates with many other cells, and the packed cells carry on their pulsations with the environment. They resonate with each other and set each other off by inductive influence so that their pulses increase. And the tissue pulses appear, and the heart beats and the brain discharges and the muscles evolve. The organelles modulate and use this in contractile structures, converting the pulse to organic phosphates and other high-energy bonds. But the cell pulse is first and provides the raw electrical energy for all the physiologic pulses." [12]

Thus, the cosmologists believe that the universe evolved out of electromagnetic radiation and the birth of electrically charged particles, creating matter in the void. Now, there is an electrical theory of life, constituted on the knowledge of electricity at the molecular level up to the human being. It is an important accomplishment for this field of electrical research, and specifically so for the medical field.

This is because Dr. Garnett's research work, grounded in the pragmatics of trial and error scientific (and artistic) experimentation, led to a treatment called the palladium complex (LAPd), based on this new electrogenetic understanding of cancer, restoring the cells energy instead of killing the cancerous cells off, as in traditional chemotherapy treatment. This unique approach to cancer treatment was the result of an investigation into corrosion engineering and the electrical properties of metals. in the end, Dr. Garnett's hard work and vision have produced a new model for cancer research, and the LAPd complex is in the testing stage, after having restored mice from full-blown cancer to full health. [13]

So the presence of a Neg attachment, and therefore its Em field, is causing disruptions via "inductive influence" in the Em/electrical properties of the cells where cancer starts. Or disruptions in the "flow of energy [or electricity, the cell's food] which keeps the cell, and thus the body, healthy."  Robert Bruce says that lumps can be signs of neg attachment, well most cancers are lumps. And after his possession experience, he also postulates that Negs somehow do this via the Nervous System (central or autonomous etc). I do believe my theory of how they use subtle EM fields to the brain/CNS to do this is extremely plausable also.

Does this make sense to anyone else?

Also:

http://www.mercola.com/2003/jan/11/electromagnetic_fields.htm
Electromagnetic Fields May Cause Cancer

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Robert Becker, Marino's supervisor, had done a series of experiments beginning in the 1950s showing that the body of all organisms has a Direct Current (DC) field, and that electric currents produced all over the body are involved in controlling growth and regeneration [it is when this controlling of growth and regeneration is disrupted that Tumors start growing]. By the 1960s, Becker had already proposed that an electrical communication system exists within all living things, and demonstrated that externally applied fields[i.e.  a "ghosts" Em field] could influence the processes of growth and regeneration.

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The evidence is overwhelming that electro-dynamical fields and currents are involved in intercommunication within the body.

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The body uses electromagnetic signals of different frequencies and extents to intercommunicate. Hence it would be surprising if external electromagnetic fields did not have an effect.

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Ten years ago in my laboratory, we found we could dramatically transform the global body pattern of the fruitfly larva simply by exposing the embryos within the first three hours of development for 30 minutes to very weak static magnetic fields. The transformation is unique and striking: the normal segmental pattern became twisted towards a helical pattern. In one instance, a completely helical larva was obtained.

Of course, this is not to say that all cancers are caused by negs, but the evidence so far does indicate that the subtle Em fields that they give off may be having physically detrimental effects on peoples health (as well as mental and spiritual). If a neg is actually inside the aura and attached and staying in one place then that area of ones body is going to be under constant influence of the ghosts/negs weak Em field.

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Yes, yes, and yes.  You and I experienced the exact same thing, came to the same conclusions.  And because what you just said is true--what makes you so trusting to think that the khodam is not the same ol' same ol' "good cop/bad cop" routine?  

Because I trust Peter Aziz and the work he does in this area of contact with spirits. I know there is a risk involved but it is a calculated one and not one taken with blinkers on. He who dares, wins. He has a free e-book on his site you may find interesting called "Ultimate healing Handbook." He even mentions in it about how humans had been manipulated in the past by beings stronger than us.

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Most people, because of their heart nature, their vulnerability in spiritual matters, want so much to believe that all this is some kind of spiritual test.  

Or a punishment from God.  http://www.teachingpages.co.uk/minilesson/thorn.html

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Or they are going through this to somehow help humanity--I catch myself falling into the same trap.

Yes, so do I. As I've said in this thread, Negs are good at influencing ones beliefs to suit their own agenda. If they can get one to believe it is a spiritual test or punishment from God then their victims may not fight it (because if they fought against it wouldn't they be fighting against God himself? etc etc)

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 I tell the negs all the time that no matter how I fail or succeed consciously in "nailing" them, my Observer self knows their signature, and all Beings are held accountable ultimately.  And I truly believe this.

I get into that vengeance stuff myself at times too. But lately I'm beginning to see that that might be a kind of attachment to the neg on my part so am trying just to let it go (my attachments/emotions towards the neg).

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 But what if they are just analogous to sharks in a feeding frenzy?  Suddenly a school of fish appears before them, and they eat.  No more, no less.  

Carlos Castaneda/Don Juan said that we live in a predatorial Universe. Perhaps we humans aren't as important as we think we are on the Cosmic scale of things.

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These non physical Beings have been talked about in every culture, the good and the bad, the ghosts, the spiritual guides, the "entities, or ET's, in the fourth dimension".  Every culture has different names for them, and most would agree, they get some kind of energy from humanity or they wouldn't stick around.  It seems that in the last five or ten years, the barrier separating us has thinned.  Perhaps this is simply because of physics.  

Have you stopped to consider, with all that we don't know about EM fields, and the little that we (humanity) has discovered recently, these affects that we are experiencing could be a simple cause and effect, with no spiritual purpose at all.  The magnetic field of the earth is changing--has changed quite drastically in that it's been erratic these last twenty years.  The Schuman resonance, the same thing.  All of which life depends on to be healthy, to be sane.  Perhaps the only thing that you and I and others like us (we don't know how many are going through it and simply in an insane asylum) have in common is increased sensitivity to these changing fields, and the desire and tendency to want to analyze or explain it.  

I don't believe this is the case as "spirits of Satan" and "unclean spirits" have been around for thousands of years. What is happening to you and I is probably something that has happened to some humans for a very long time. I don't think it's anything unusual or out of the ordinary or much different from past experiences like it. We may, of course, interpret the experiences differently though. With Job and Paul it's God that sends the Negs, but I don't believe that.  

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You have a tendency in your posts to respond to your own posts.  In the height of my neg control, this was a reflection of me---I found myself responding as if I was a split personality.  One part comments, than another, then another, as if I am a multitude of Beings.  This isn't all bad--because for lack of a way to "figure this out" with someone who knows what you're going through, and exactly what you know without being able to explain why you know, causes you to be able to test your own conclusions.  So it's okay, as long as you know you are doing it.  

Well I kind of get further insights I want to share and put out there in case anyone else has an insight on  them. It's not that I am talking to myself as a 'seperate part', I am (mostly) just quoting the previous comment my further insight is connected to so as to make it easier for people to follow. ;)

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It's terrible what is happening to some of us, and it's helpful (to a point) to come here and analyze it publicly for those who may go through it in the future (or who are lurking and afraid to jump into the fire).  But try for the most part to forget the analyzing and just observe.  That's the message I was trying to convey to you earlier--you have a tendency to analyze your own experiences, which is your right to do so.

Yes there can be the trap to overanalyze things that I fall into at times. But for the main part what I am doing is Intensely Concentrating on finding a solution to my neg problem rather than giving up without a fight. Many an Invention has been created this way. And if one can visualize strongly enough in ones Imagination (Astral) the things we seek, then we can attract those things to us. The Law of attraction in operation.

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 You do not have the qualifications to analyze anybody elses (but which you try to do).  By qualifications, I don't mean a PhD, I mean only the person going through the experience is qualified to analyze it.

For the most part you are right. But there are some circumstances where because someone has a certain kind of knowledge they may recognise things in other peoples experiences and know what is happening. Psychiatrists for example. or i.e. Say you are experiencing a medical illness but your doctor is not, he is still qualified to diagnose you. I'm not in particular saying that I personally am qualified to comment on your neg problem, but just an example.

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The best we can do for each other is simply to share our observations.  You may be amazed at the patterns that emerge without drawing one conclusion.

We can do that yes. But there is also the possibility that others hold certain knowledge about our kind of experiences from which they can then give advice or directly help. Robert Bruce has been helping people with experiences of negs for years and also wrote a book full of advice. And the shaman I saw removes entities from peoples auras etc. But if we don't accept that some people may be qualified to comment on our experiences and exclude them from doing so, then they will be unable to help us. We, ourselves, will be stopping them from doing so.