I was face to face with a neg .. Got attacked this morning..

[Paulusz]

I kind of knew it was going to happen before it happened like the first time I obe'd.. I got up at 12am after i went to bed at 8pm and put off going to bed as I had the feeling something was going to happen...

I went back to bed about 1:30 am.. Got a weird ache in right shoulder blade while I was lieing in bed Its still here atm..  
Anyway last night while I was lieing in bed trying to get to sleep I got weird waves of energy kind of coming over me a few times.. thought it could be the neg.. And I remember thinking wtf those thoughts arn't mine but don't remember what I was thinking.

Anyway I can't remember how I woke up but the moment I woke up there was the neg hanging over me.. I am pretty sure it woke me up.. I had the light on in my room 100% so I could see.. first time I've done this in months aswell..  This was around 3:30am.

I looked up at the neg it was floating above my head just over me... It looked like a rounded rectangle/square/ of black/blueygrey energy shroud.. Thick and dark around edges and It gradually got more transparent towards centre.  It was about the size of a 19 inch computer monitor..

I think it could be the same neg coming back as around 6 months ago I posted bout it on here.  A few nights ago the neg used the same initial scare tactics as last time(breathing near me in bed) but this didn't bother me much.. When I woke up though at the foot of my bed moving was a tall dark silhouette (It was dark in my room so couldn't see fully).  I sat up in bed pretty fast.

Back to topic.. The attack was pretty intense..  Its hard to describe.. It was big energy sensations.  Words can't explain what I felt but I can try.  Can say what I saw though... While it was happening it looked like my room was a kaleidoscope version.. like everything breaking and shaking.  After a few seconds I forced myself to calm and had composure/self control.  I know letting emotions run rampant in this stage is the worst thing one can do.. I attempted to attack it with light like shoot white light at... I also called out to my guardian angels of light to help me.  I tried to imagine myself as light generating from inside which was real hard to do in the moment with everything happening so fast..  I observed everything that was happening as I was able to remain in a calm enough state..  I was paralyzed.. well my hands were stuck and binded holding onto my elbows under the sheet so I couldn't move.  I just made sure I kept all my emotions in check and tried hardest to remain cool and calm while it was happening while fighting it at same time.  It was over pretty quick aswell once I called out to GA and just remained calm to wait it out while somehow TRYING to visualise myself as light..  It felt like being in a pressure cooker..

I had burned sage before I went to bed and threw salt around my room last night.. Also said affirmations..

I'm not sure if it was a placebo effect of me attracting the neg with the emotional frequency that It was going to happen or if my intuition told me it was going to happen.  Although I tried my hardest to cut off thoughts and not think about negs the thoughts kept popping into my head and I was pretty edgy the last couple nights since I encountered a neg a few nights ago..  Whats interesting is I have only JUST gone back to sleeping in a normal pattern sleeping during darkness hours.  I was going to bed 5am-6pm onwards for last couple months sometimes waking up in dark..No work commitments and I go running etc to train 6 times a week for rugby. In my dream just b4 it happened I was trying to protect myself from negs ..  Although it changed into a disgusting version where I was somehow holding an amputated version of my foot in my favourite sock. Neg transmitting that dream to me ?? Most likely.  6 months ago when I was troubled by a neg for some weeks I had dreams of death almost every night.

I am doing everything I know of to increase protection meditation, clean up my room its gotten real messy again I think this is a big cause its a bad environment, more salt, a bowl of salt water next to my bed, white light shield and whatever else I learn of any ideas?

I had a bowl of salty water next to my bed but strangely last night when I tried to close my curtain and the whole thing crashed down hit my bedside table and knocked the bowl of salty water off my bedside table upside down and knocked all my crystals off haven't found clear quartz yet.. I'll sort things out today and increase protection from what I know atm..

Anyway thx for reading I'd like to hear any ideas!!!  Here is a paragraph I just read and have found to be true in every spiritually advanced person I know. The more advanced they are the worst there past is.

This is by Robert Bruce in his self defense section.

"And to make matters even more difficult, the more pure and spiritually developed a person is (especially if they are actively working towards real spiritual advancement) the more attention they will attract from the negatives to pull them down. In other words, the potential of any aspirant generates their level of negative opposition, plus their level of positive assistance, as set by karmic law. This is the natural way of things, and is part of the reason why real long-term spiritual development is so difficult. And this is also why those that achieve any significant level of spiritual / psychic development usually live fairly difficult lives, or have a painful past."

[vunderbal]

wow. yah i know just exactly what you are talking about the bombardment of energy trying to get fiierceely into you and it just burns up as friction heat like youre a shuttle reentering the earths atmosphere and the fire burning all in and all around your craft really is that darned entity...yeah i know exactly what you are talking about, exactly...when the one that i spoke to talked back it sounded like there was just this crazy reverb on it actually....the post someone else submitted about grinning and bearing it and becoming strong without protectors or amulets really just having stronger spiritual ability really rang true for me... although i am working on ridding myself of the thing and really know very little about it actually, I only simply set goals for myself really and take time to purposely sleep and become stronger and better at confronting it comfortably and like, not flipping, and what is more, practice doing goals i set for myslef despite its hateful energy and just see it as ultimately contructive to my energy to learn how to ward off these entities more and more easily without struggling or something....without fear and stuff....maybe someday ill be so strong that i can notice and calmy confront the moment i am being asked to enter into contact and simply say no really by seeing it for what it is when it happens. that would be neat. that seems to be the future for people growing this way, long or short though the walk may be and through whatever lifetimes...yah you know what, here is my opinion, and i will be in touch because i am working this thing off of myself...i think, that although charms and things work, at what cost to your strength just YOUR strength? a quick fix may not be the solution so i think that the focus should be, on setting reularly bigger and better goals starting with the easily attainable and see it  all very constructively, like its something you are building...you are building an ability. This seems to work at everything in life, breaking a problem down into little pieces really and tearing down each one, whuich frees up more of you to tear down the next one and the next and then simply keep reporting on your progress really...it seems like so many people fail in life becuase they fail communications actually...they just dont ask for it or they stop or they stay unsure about the ultimate outcome like it is not up to them. I would say look up to god and say okay, i know it is not your will that i would just suffer endlessly and contribute to the trouble on this earth and as i know that this is truth i wait on your answers, your help, a guide, divine inspiration that will surely come to me and i know you will show me a way. I think it is to do with faith and simple persistance with noticeing things and giving yourself a credit for all that you notice and every little gain you get no matter how odd or little. That is what i think....do not think only of the right charm that causes you never to see the neg again...if you have to rely on something outside yourself totally, you will always have fear, and rightly so.  That is what i think. Oh my- well take it as a compliment- it is time that you defeat even THIS entity that would have prolly made you wet your pants as a boy-thats a good thing actually. So become strong! and i think humor helps a lot-but i guess you are really advanced, but maybe its just hearing and repeating what you already know that you need either way-look forward to the challenge-and think crap, what will i have once this thing is gone? How much more powerful will i be? Actually, you know what you have said makes me feel better about all the resistance i have faced in my life haha! That blip was nice and actually true. Just know that for everything in life there is a sacrifice always is and always will be, we pay up front or at the end, for what we have, i would rather choose to pay up front. (and it sounds like you would too!) have fun!

[Paulusz]

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[CaCoDeMoN]

I think it could be the same neg coming back as around 6 months ago I posted bout it on here. A few nights ago the neg used the same initial scare tactics as last time(breathing near me in bed) but this didn't bother me much.. When I woke up though at the foot of my bed moving was a tall dark silhouette (It was dark in my room so couldn't see fully). I sat up in bed pretty fast.

Breathing near you in bed? It's not a neg attack, it's OOBE symptom. For me it's a common experience, and it is not an attack at all.

[Paulusz]

I believe this is neg related as it is to much of a coincidence for the breathing to be simply OBE related..

I wouldn't call it an 'attack' either just lame scare tactics that worked when I was less developed.

The breathing has only ever happened twice.. First time... woke up in bed in the middle of the night and had something next to me breathing heavily.  I hold my breathe make sure its not mine and I could literally hear and feel its breathe along my arm which was stretched out to otherside of the bed.  What followed was nightly attacks for a couple weeks.  

And a few nights ago which happens to be the same night I wake up in bed and was just stretching my legs I see the tall dark shadow moving about at foot of my bed.  Also followed by an attack last night which I posted about.  Very similar to last time although I feel much more capable of dealing with it this time.  The neg seems more ruthless though.. Attacking in bright light and showing itself.

I'm going to head to bed soon I hope I have new to add to this thread tomorrow !!

[kinay]

i don't know if i sound stupid but is 'neg' short for something and what is an OBE?

i've been having weird experiences while sleeping and a friend of mine got scared too while sleeping as if someone or thing sat on him. he screamed just like i did(because it scares)but he couldn't make a sound. and then another friend, she just never seems to be alone in her house even though there's certainly no one fisically there. and also when she's asleep. it's especially for her cause she's really scared.

greetings

[CaCoDeMoN]

i don't know if i sound stupid but is 'neg' short for something and what is an OBE?

neg is an negative metaphysical entity feeding on inensive emotions like fear, etc.
OOBE - Out of body experience - when your soul leaves the body, and you remember that

you can find more info on the page www.astraldynamics.com

[kinay]

thank you. cacodemon. now i can understand it a bit better. i'm not sure of which my experiences are related(maybe both). but i might post my story later on.

[Nita]

Hello Paulusz
  There are some articles upon my website and also on this website that might help you. If you have checked all of them out then I do think changing the environment helps. You can read "The Idiots Guide to Feng Shui." in any library and it does help the energies in the room to be uncluttered and everything placed properly. I like Holy water in a fountain in the room to really raise the vibrations. They have many small fountains that are inexpensive. Robert Bruce gives suggestions on how to have running water under your bed. It may help also.
  It could be a few things otherwise. There is a phenomena in a lot of people called the Dweller on the threshold. It is something you have to defeat and there used to be a thread upon it on the forum.
  Other than that there is a thread called effective methods against negs here. It is definitely feeding off of your fears so it is a negative entity. You can contact me at nita@astralpulse.com if you would like anymore ideas.
    Nita

[Paulusz]

Hey Nita thanks for your advice.  Just yesterday I was thinking about putting a little electric water fountain on my beside table I'll do it now def.  And look into Feng Shui.

Dweller on the threshold eh hmm.  I'll check your website if I still need help I'll let you know !!  


Its 7am atm I just had quite an experience.  The neg attacked again but this time it was different.  I went to bed at 10pm with my light on bright and my bedside light next to me on full beam that pretty much blinds anything its like a car on high beam.  I was holding my crystals in my hand aswell when i went to sleep.  I had no fear and felt safe.  I had surrounded my bed in salt and saged my room.  Anyway woke up at 2:30am everything was good but I got up and went on computer until 5am (daylight) then saged my room went back to bed.  Forgot to take my crystals with me I think and I didnt use bedside light.

Anyway..
I woke up from a bad-ish dream where I was in a canoe and it started to sink.  I woke up with sleep paralysis.  I remained calm.  Could open my eyes and saw no neg.  I wiggled my toes and wrist it was all I could do.   My intuition said neg was about to strike and this was part of its games so I prepared myself.  I asked my angels give me strength and help me through it then I surrounded myself in a close white light barrier around my body.  I was still calm so there was no sudden fear that could have suddenly attracted it.  I started to feel my heart chakra pulsate and then I strongly felt the negs presence.  I kept my eyes closed I didn't need them to sense/see/feel where the neg was.  It attempted to attack me again.
I was still completely calm all this time.  I went offensive and gave it no fear at all.  I attacked it and blasted it with the white light barrier I had already set up using all my mind, power, will.  It was like a game of tug-o-war.  I turned the barrier into an offensive weapon.  I felt myself overpowering it and kept driving at it hard and felt it weakening.  The attack sensations were soo weak in comparison to last nights I never even gave it a chance.  I then heard it making noises as if it was struggling, the noises sounded like muttery leaf crunching gargling sound and I felt it leave.  It left as fast it came the duration was realllly short lived !

I am pretty pleased how I handled that situation with the neg.
What vund said seems to hold a lot of truth.  All herbs, charms etc will never fully protect us and we have to learn fight it ourselves if we really want to learn to deal with them.

I'm now taking every attack as a learning experience.

Anyway going to shower and read Nita's webpage

[Nita]

Hello Paulusz
  It is true that everyone has to find what works for themselves. I know many different methods but all of it comes down to the person getting to a breaking point and the mindset that will get rid of a problem.
  Anything like herbs and shields are just that to prevent something from connecting to you. As MacArthur put it in another thread they have no where to attach or land. It makes it where they can not feed off of you.
  It is why I put so many simple methods on the website so people can learn aids to help themselves. Good work
        Nita

[izanagi]

hi paulusz

i've had similar experiences with negs. none were as reoccurring as yours or even from the same neg, but i too realized that using things to help defeat it is really a false battle. one morning a few years back right when i started AP, i tried to project and i got this weird feeling like some bad presence but i continued to try to project. after a while i came face to face with two negs and there was no real fight but i just felt this huge fear and they had this presence to them that just made me feel powerless and hopeless. it was hell. after that i became deeply afraid and felt powerless to negs and suddenly my dreams turned to nightmares and was afraid to go to sleep. everything went away after a couple of weeks though. i think i got used to them and it all just sorta died down, but i later realized that being afraid is what gave them their power over me. in your case you tried to manage them with things like salt and incense, but i think that using material things to fight them is what gave them their power over you, because it acts as a crutch if you think thats what you need to use in order to beat them. you already have the power to begin with.

anyways. good job for kicking neg-butt!

[Paulusz]

Thx izanagi... being afraid definately gives them power and sends out a signal to them stating your a target it seems.. I've always felt vulnerable and kind of just *hoped* a neg wouldn't attack while I meditated or tried to AP.. like a game of chance.  I feel stronger knowing that I can defend myself and attack back now when/if something happens.  I have less fear than I did before this series of attacks..

I think this particular neg might have learnt its lesson...it didn't come back last night, and my dreams were good.. one was very spiritual but i've forgotten it!!! arg  Need to work on dream recall.  I'm still sleeping with my crystals in my hand though anyway.

[MysticNote]

Dear Paulusz,

    I have a little experience combating negs so maybe I can help a little.

    My first attack was conciously directed at me by a now ex girlfriend. We were making love and suddenly she was no longer her. She writhed and moved completely like someone else. Her movements and facial composure completely changed from the norm. I intuited an unknown threat (Having a little experience at metaphysical things at the time) and discontinued the interaction.

    She/it said nothing, again very uncharacteristic of her as she complained constantly under 'normal' conciousness. She then got up to leave the room to use the bathroom I supposed as she said nothing.

    After she was gone I suddenly felt the waving/ phasing/ pulsing effect come over my whole body. I had never experienced that sensation before but intuited that some kind of portal had opened up right over me. I remainded calm and just felt for a few moments to make sure that it wasn't simply a tactile hallucenation. It continued so I decided that I would use Robert's NEW system to charge myself and see if I could displace the energy. This is the part you need to hear.

    I began to 'strobe' my whole body with the type of energy learned in NEW, just like a flashbulb. (Thank you Robert!) which is very easy to learn from Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics. This continued for a few moments until I had dispelled the eerie sensation. Robert's System works, and exponentially better than charms, although they are definitely important for thought form focus.

    Here's the interesting part, the part that may illuminate a Neg's purposes.

    My ex then returned to the room and we shared a silent look, then she reentered the bed and lay down in silence. After a few moments during which my suspicion of her grew greatly, knowing that she had practiced witchcraft in the past, even recounting her 'magical' encounter with a winged beast in a grove when she was fourteen. She finally asked, 'is there something wrong?'

    I forcefully but quietly told her that she had better listen to me. Then I related everything in exact detail and asked her to tell me if she knew anything. She then broke down crying and admitted to me that she had 'stolen' my energy because I wouldn't give it to her. My intuition was right to stop earlier.

    *Sigh* This is the thing, Energy is the life of being. If a neg can't get it they will use people to take it. This is, I suspect, how some bipolar disorders come about though she was not diagnosed as such. This is what I learned from the horse's mouth as I now know, as does my ex, that she has a resident neg. Sad but true.

    I then put my hands on her and called a Buddhist Saint named Padmasambhava that I had prior experience with to help me fill her with energy. My heart chakra charistically burned with Padmasambhava's (or my created thought form of Padmasambhava's person) presence. I loved and still love her so you can imagine the nature of the plea. She began to shudder with classic symptoms of a struggle and talk to the neg, grunting and such noises, and massive sobbing etc.

    I continued this treatment for around ten minutes until the event seemed to be over and she then pulled me outside to 'watch' her throw up. I shakingly tried to hold her hair. She threw up what seemed like bile three or four times then gestured obscenely to the yard saying that she could see them (three, oh my) out there.

    Nothing more need be said about that except that that night she slept perfectly peacefully. Usually the gritting of her teeth was enough to wake me up...every night. Also the next day she was completely different, complacent, innocent, beautiful as I had never experienced her. Not to last though. In three days her mannerisms were the same. I knew then that our days were numbered.

    For three full months thereafter, and again, for the first time in my life, I began to be attacked viciously by my first percieved succubus. My experiences were like yours except replace the visualizations of your arsenal with the NEW system I used. These attacks happened during sleep, sleep-to-astral circumstances, and upon waking. I repeatedly managed to repel the neg/negs by strobing my ectoplasm/NEW energy, thus AUTOMATICALLY expelling the entity despite any fear circumstances, which were often high. What you need to know here is that their goal is to merge with you, either temporarily or permanently and ectoplasm is Light that you can feel. If you fill yourself with this, there is no room left for the neg. Often while I did this I would feel flapping sensations racing from me like 'a bat out of hell' literally. Rarely have I ever felt so confident in myself.

    It was not easy, and taught me much, but it was so hard to make myself sleep with the light on! It helped though, as my negs wouldn't attack unless the lights were off, during which the attacks occurred. You see, though, I love sleeping in the dark and no neg would ruin that for me!

    *Whew* what a mouthful. Moral? Learn the NEW system. It is the core of my practice today, much more powerful than visualizations because the NEW sensations cannot be doubted, you feel them just as you feel an attack.

    One more thing, are any of your close associates in a severely bad mood for longer that a normal person could sustain such a state of mind? Or consistently and overly controlling? If you can think of someone you may have just discovered your source of attack, maybe.

Congratulations...welcome to the club!

Love & Light

P.S. Oh, the Reiki energy system is also a genuine type of healing energy system. You may find hope there also. I can vouch.

[thesickmoon]

I once had a girl "change" on me. The first time it happened was while we were talking to each other on the phone. She changed at least three different times; three different accents and three different personalities. Very odd. I asked her who they were and where they came from, but she wouldn't answer. It went on for a few months until she told me they had gone away, and she never changed personalities on me again. I wish I could remember more, but this was back in the late 1980s, probably the summer of 1988. Whatever they were, they were insatiable; all they ever wanted was sex, and seemed to like food from Taco Bell. Gag me with a spoon.

[Paulusz]

Wow helpful post mystic thx for taking the time to type all that up.  I have Astral Dynamics with the N.E.W system in but haven't read the book yet..
I definately will now.  I can't pinpoint who might of sent, if anyone did, although there are a few suspects one being my dad who I haven't talked to in years who still holds a massive grudge against me.

I think I've also experienced a neg trying to merge with me.  Around 6 months ago while I was sleeping I woke up stunned as I saw in my minds eye a neg who had been attacking me for the last week enter me.  It did stuff inside of me which is hard to describe like vibrating and messing through my energy body/heart chakra.  I felt it and could see what it was doing.. It then moved up to my head where I felt immense pressure on one side of my head.  I told it to get bonked It wasn't going to get anything off me and visualised myself as light eminatting from the inside and used it to force/push the neg out of me.  I felt it leave me If I didn't do that I had no idea what would of happened.

Hmm.. these days I am constantly feeling chills and waves over my body.  I think it is my body resonating with the light ??  

Thx a lot anyway mystic I'll start learning N.E.W today
Lesson learnt !

P.S I'm learning Quantum Touch atm.  Have you heard of it ?  www.quantumtouch.com apparently more effective than the Reiki system.  I have the video workshops on Cds.  I want to try heal my dogs arthritis :/

[MysticNote]

Hey,

    I find that my post yesterday had fallen from the string. Pondering this I realize that perhaps I said a bit too much which could possilbly have been construed judgmentally but I assure all that that was not the intent, it was purely in the spirit of accuracy. However, I apologize for I may not have grasped the wider nature of this forum until just now.

    I shall be more discerning in the future because I have very few places to discuss such matters and the Astral Pulse is a gift as such. I rarely socialize so this is a place where I can speak and I will treat it delicately from here on. Blessings.

Love & Light,

Ron

[Nagual]

Personally,

I usually "wrestle" (like wrestling for "fun" with friends) with them until they lose their strength, or/and until I wake up.

Except once, I reacted differently:

Another time, again one guy was tinkling me off in a dream. I switched to the lying in bed with blob wrestling thing but, as I was not fully conscious and still ticked off, I suddenly decided to absorb the blob to "teach him a lesson"... Immediately, the blob kind of exploded a little and then imploded back and I sucked it with my hands/arms... As soon as I finished it, my body or bed "rocketed" through the window at a very high speed for about 5s and then I woke up... I just hope my stupid idea won't have much negative consequences...

[smooth]

omg..... what Robert Bruce said was so true it scared me....