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Originally posted by aissy
If negs can't harm the astral body/physical body, why bother making astral weapons to fight them off? Projecting away or ignoring negs seems to be so much easier than conjuring weapons that may "melt away" in the middle of a battle.
That's a good question aissy. Why do we need so much protection if we can just walk away? Even if one decided to battle a demon, would it not be more efficient to use an energy ball than some weapon that--as you said aissy--would "melt away?"
Thanks,
oman34mi
Hi aissy,
Welcome to the AstralPulse! [:)] I thought that this topic may be better suited to our psychic self defense forum so that is where it now resides. If you disagree, please pm me and we'll work something out.
Very best,
Well first off, there are ways to make weapons that don't melt away in the heat of battle (i.e., by tricking your subconscious into making one, or by summoning one that already exists somewhere).
As for the rest I can't answer, as I've never consciously aped, so I don't know what fighting in the astral really accomplishes. With indestructability of energy bodies, it seems fighting on the astral is like fighting online. Both accomplish nothing.
Did you try to walk away or ignore them...? Did it work?
Personaly, I tried both. Sure I can "walk" away or project somewhere else, but they are chasing me. As soon as I stop, they're back! So, it's constantly running away until I wake up.
Now, ignoring them... you still feel what they are doing to you... Sure, it's easy to ignore the guys who just stand in front of you screaming "Boooo boooo!" But what about those who do some weird/bothering energetical stuff on you, or sexual stuff...? It's not like they care about you ignoring them. At least that's my experience...
And, for the weapon stuff, I tried a bit and it did not always work. It's not that they get hurt, it's that I chopped them so much that they are no threat anymore since they are in pieces... [|)] But some guys are stronger than me, and I feel like a 2 years old baby fighting an adult...
So, I would say: try and see what works for you... I guess some people are more "yummy" than others... [:P]
Weapons are irrelevant, the weapon is a mere personification of your intention to rid yourself of the Neg, and the idea of battling one with weapons is a futile one since such thoughts/ideas are based on your physical world perceptions. If you want rid of a Neg, just send it away, battles are not required in the Astral.
Thanks, Nick.....I agree that my message is better suited in this thread than the original one I posted it to.
Though I haven't projected yet--considering 'like attracts like'--wouldn't it be fair to assume bounteous amounts of violent negs becoming attracted to your projectable double because of the aggressive nature of your own subtle body? I can see how fighting back can send a message to the Astral World that you don't intended to be 'bullied around' by anything negative, but the 'like attracts like' phenomenon that supports my former assertion seems to be the most plausible consequence for putting up a fight; that is, agression attracts agression.
I understand that I'm making many assumptions here in this forum based on no personal experience of my own. I just want to be well prepared and fully informed before I venture off into the Great Unknown.
Best Regards.....aissy
Hello Aissy
You can just walk away or wake up so to speak to be rid of any astral agressors. The next best thing to realize is that you can shield yourself on the astral from any thing that could bother you.
Now as to weapons and techniques. The best weapon on the astral is the intelligence of the person projecting. The next weapon is imagination and being a practical person. No one really needs to fight with anyone anywhere. You can defend yourself from others with bad attitudes but that is only necessary with people who think fighting solves all problems.
Nita
Hi Nita,
Thanks for your input. I guess the laws of the Universe don't change anywhere you go, including the Astral Realms.
Cheers.........aissy
ps: I wonder how a neg would react to a fearless projector's big smile and pleasant demeanor while offering the neg a glowing ball of white light as a gift?
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but the 'like attracts like' phenomenon that supports my former assertion seems to be the most plausible consequence for putting up a fight; that is, agression attracts agression.
Hum... personaly, I consider myself to be quite peaceful... as most of my friends think. I am all for finding Astral friends, but can't find any for some reason. Maybe I must look like the perfect victim...
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If you want rid of a Neg, just send it away
Easier said than done... I tried many time and they don't seem to be willing to comply, or even care (a bit like showing a crucifix to some Vampire; he will have a good laught)...
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You can just walk away or wake up so to speak to be rid of any astral agressors.
That's ok for one night, but not every night...
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The best weapon on the astral is the intelligence of the person projecting.
Damn, guess I am screwed... [:D]
I am open to any suggestions to get rid of these negs peacefully... But, so far, none of the "walk away" or "ignore them" worked for me. And I must be too weak to just "send them away" either...
Hi,
If a being exists in the astral then it also exists in other realms, just as we do. So it may be possible for what you call a neg to crossover into our reality to play with you.
Personally, I have seen and felt a 'Flyer', some other waif-like things and a particularly nasty demon-type thing. What surprised me about the Flyer was reading about them in Carlos Castaneda's work after I had the pleasure of experiencing it's presence and intent. All I could do was shut off the mind and feel for it with my hands to ensure it was real, and I could feel it, then used the gold-light energy from inside me and 'Loved'it. It melted away and I have had no further problem with it.
Weapons are an interesting thing in the astral. Five years ago an ancient man gave me a flaming sword while I was working with the Guides. On the next journey I was attacked by a Fuedal Japanese Warrior in glossy black armour and he was very intent on taking my life/energy. I reluctantly called for the sword I was given and it appeared in my hand in time to end things in my favour. Although I was not sure of how it would end.
Suffice to say here that whatever we can conceive of in our minds must already exist in all the realms and will certainly not keep itself confined to our beliefs about it's capabilities. All our beliefs are limited in there scope by the fact that they have boundaries where the concept no longer applies. It is the same for all boxes (beliefs).
Beings choosing to use their portion of energy for darker purposes do exist. The ancient battle between light and dark exist at all levels, and sometimes the need arises where we must fight even if we do not want to. Weapons do exist in all the realms for various reasons, some are bestowed, some are created by AP'ers. If I had to bet on which ones were the better, I would have to say the ones given to us.. because they have been in existence for the longest ages. The most effective weapon I have found so far is the golden-light energy we have in our heart chakra, it is powerful when used lovingly as it begins a change within the 'neg'. Also, negs can't be destroyed, vanquished for long or obliterated in any other way, energy cannot be destroyed.
Love Always.[:)]
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Originally posted by Nagual
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If you want rid of a Neg, just send it away
Easier said than done... I tried many time and they don't seem to be willing to comply, or even care (a bit like showing a crucifix to some Vampire; he will have a good laught)...
I dont mean ask it to leave, I mean MAKE it leave.
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I dont mean ask it to leave, I mean MAKE it leave.
I did understand what you meant but... I still miss the HOW??? I tried everything, love, light, energy, intent, etc... does nothing! Maybe you are just way more powerful than I am; or I am just weak; or my negs are stronger...
A crude example that happens too often: A woman will try to make contact with my crotch (genitals?). I am VERY sensitive there! If she gets there, I will "take off" in 2 seconds (if you see what I mean) and maybe release a lot of energy, and I will wake up...
What am I supposed to do? Ignore her? She will get there. "Make" her leave? She smiles and continue to come closer. The only thing that worked so far is to catch her hand and block her... I am sure that there must be some better solution but I did not find it...
Other attacks I experienced were: some kind of VERY STRONG and BOTHERING energetical "tickels" (they put both of their hands on the sides of my ribs and zapppppppp); and also some kind of bite on the left side of my neck (ala vampire). First time, some thing popped right behind me and in less than a seconde bit me there and I immediately was paralyzed, and felt very cold and weak... After that, other things would "play" with this area (where I have been bitten), but it was more annoying/bothering than painfull...
And to come back to the weapon, I did not mean to say that the weapon had some power (to hurt/destroy) by itself; I meant that, by choping them to pieces, they were no more an annoyance (since they could not move anymore).
Oh, and personaly, I am not into the good vs evil stuff... I just think that these things are just trying to eat (my energy), like we eat animals/vegetables... So, they are as much evil as we are when we kill our food. But, who knows, I might change my mind later.
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Originally posted by Nagual
Oh, and personaly, I am not into the good vs evil stuff... I just think that these things are just trying to eat (my energy), like we eat animals/vegetables... So, they are as much evil as we are when we kill our food. But, who knows, I might change my mind later.
I too think that there is a group of critters who are simply doing what you say exploiting the rich pastures. In some cases it looks to get somewhat organised and is possibly exploited by those of a less altruistic nature :(
I havn't astral projected, but I've encountered negs in the physical. And I will, if I'm tired or doing something else, put up a shield. But if I feel like it, or they're being harmful instead of just going "oogie boogie", I use energy to fight them. I had a hell of a weekend the week before last fighting off a neg that had like leeched onto me and insisted upon causing emotional pain 24/7. Got rid of it by shaping my energy like fire and burning it out of me. Fun. I don't think weaponry is necessary unless you consider energy a weapon, though it would be fun to make an axe.[|)] I like axes...
Hi Nicole! Ok well i think they r necessary, ive sort of "met" a few negs lately, its like they follow me around. how r u supposed to get rid of them??? its been sucking myu energy alot tho. ive attacked one accidentally, i got out of my body somehow (i didnt know how to at the time)gtg l8r
Mick, about what you said about them being organized, I've noticed that, too. I've made a couple of powerful ones angry and in addition to bothering me themselves, they sent a bunch of somewhat lesser ones after me that wouldn't leave me alone for 3 months. tellu more later
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Originally posted by findtruth
I've made a couple of powerful ones angry and in addition to bothering me themselves, they sent a bunch of somewhat lesser ones after me that wouldn't leave me alone for 3 months. tellu more later
Yes, using the minions to keep you occupied seems to be one approach often employed.
Would like to hear more details, the more the landscape is illustrated the easier it is to interface and to have some wider view of its activities.
Is anything in life really neccessary? [:)]
~kakkarot
Hey kakkarot,
I'd like to answer your question, "Is anything in life really neccessary?" from my personal perspective.
Considering the fact that your thoughts create your reality, if you contemplate the thought all day, everyday, that nothing in life is necessary, than your right, nothing is. No one is able to convince you otherwise when your reality has already been created in your mind.
Reality and life, for me, are composed of two aspects; being and growing. Being isn't necessary because you don't have to think about being...you just are, while growing(spiritually, intellectually) requires thoughts to necessitate the growing process. It's all about how you choose to view life in itself.
Sincerely...........aissy
ps: I didn't want to elaborate on elementary apsects such as needing food, water, and air. But when you think about it, is food, water, and air at all necessary?[?]
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Considering the fact that your thoughts create your reality
Is that really a fact...? [;)]
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Originally posted by Nagual
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Considering the fact that your thoughts create your reality
Is that really a fact...? [;)]
I guess an argument could be made that thought limits reality :)
Here is a quote I just came across when following a link from another topic hereabouts:
"I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief." -- Gerry Spence
For myself I think that experience and experiences also play a major role in what we construe as our own reality.
Hi Nagual,
I love it, in all honesty, when someone has a different point of view about 'facts' of life.
So, what's your belief about the perception of one's reality and the thought process?
"Have a mind that's open to everything and attached to nothing" is where I'm coming from.[:)]
Hello Mick,
I'm responding in regards to your quote, "For myself I think that experience and experiences also play a major role in what we construe as our own reality."
In order to experience an experience, the experience experienced would need to be processed through your mind, would it not? What's your take on it?
I'm always open to new ideas..................aissy
ps: The word 'experience' may have been used one too many times.[:P]
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So, what's your belief about the perception of one's reality and the thought process?
Sorry, I was just playing devil's avocate... It's a "bad" habit I have everytime I hear/read the word "fact"... [|)]
In fact, I would agree with you on the fact ([;)]) that your conception of reality depends on your interpretations of your experiences. And your interpretations are based on how you were raised/taught; on your beliefs.
But, "real" reality (as opposed to your conception of it) is not the consequence of your thoughts (not talking about intent); only its interpretation is... Again, my favorite example: in the past, the sun was rotating around the earth. That was their interpretation of what they were seeing everyday. Did that make it a reality for them?
Hum... what the hell am I saying??? Ahhh my brain hurts... [:D]
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Originally posted by aissy
In order to experience an experience, the experience experienced would need to be processed through your mind, would it not? What's your take on it?
When it comes to discussing 'reality' in spiritual terms or any other I guess the topic will never end :)
What I added to the pot is that experiences contribute to how we view the world, current thinking (experience) may be disrupted or enhanced dependent on how the experiences are assimulated and this is likely to be different for everyone :)
I suspect that for some, continueing experiences opens the person to new thoughts whilst for others there may be an increasing blase approach thereby shrinking their reality but a la Nagual does it matter :)
But as I said there is no resolution for this particular debate [:o)]
If negs can't harm the astral body/physical body, why bother making astral weapons to fight them off? Projecting away or ignoring negs seems to be so much easier than conjuring weapons that may "melt away" in the middle of a battle.
Regards,
aissy