Sounds like spam to me.
People in this forum are fighting for their lives, and it just comes off a little too cultish to post something like this in a forum where people might be mentally and emotionally desperate to feel something anything "positive and loving". I don't like it, I don't trust it,...
Word of warning, transducer, quite a few of us here don't trust the "group huggers" (especially when combined with "make a buck")...too many of us got the raw deal from people touting the "love and light" crap only to discover later what neg morons they were (all show, no go).
The fact he's spamming it on every forum only furthers what you say Dark Knight. I request a mod remove all these posts.
Thanks,
-Alex
Dark Knight:
I appreciate what you say about spam.....and you'll see no repeat of this from me.
I appreciate the rest of your message and have the following thoughts...
>......."where people might be mentally and emotionally desperate to >feel something anything "positive and loving". I don't like it, I >don't trust it,..."
My view is that people learn through painful experience not to trust, not to take chances, to be suspecious, to be afraid, to be alone. There are con men/women everywhere, even among the group huggers. Never blindly trust. "Practice discrimination" the group huggers say!
A problem, in my view, is to wall oneself off into an imaginary world created by ego, and to "live in a swamp and be 5 dimentional." The possibility of Mastery TV, and this very forum, is to take a step-out, a step toward greater participation, a step toward the masses.
I think you've grossly underestimated just how far gone some of us here are...
There's barely even ego left. Only energy to work, sometimes eat and sleep.
Self is just about gone.
Hmmm... if it's no more harmless as the wisdom channel on my cable, then it's no problem. However, if it as Dark Night suggests, a scam, then it'll get ripped to shreds through commentary here at the Astralpulse forum. So, I'll check it out and report back to all... here goes...
~GhostRider (Now a volunteer emmissary for the A.P. community [;)])
Go Ghost Rider! If its a scam I want to hear about it too!
Dark Knight:
You may be right is saying that I "grossly underestimated just how far gone" this group is. Too them, I say please practice discrimination; and ignore what could be yet another opportunity for hopes and dreams to be crushed.
When people "just eat and sleep." they often smell bad from not bathing, their residence has stuff scatered all over the floors and furnature, they may have a little animal running about (their only source of love), that is aggressive and fearful of visitors. They are dependent on others. Their imaginations are filled with strange otherworldly talk, distortions of mundane, family, and large metaphysical ideas. They "live in a swamp and are 5 dimentional."
The possibility of Mastery TV (and this very forum) is to take a step-out, a step toward greater participation, in the larger society... via the energy transducing influences of a group hugging, OBE discussing, "Mastery TV."
Can you please delete the exact same post everywhere else that you put it, and leave just one on the forums?..Thank-you
Nay.
Nay:
Sure.
At OBE Discussions and Astral Chat an ash can did not appear so I went in and changed the topic to "Deleted" and the content to "as requested."
Stealing from Peter to give to Paul?![:P]
You've got cult written all over you, and you're own ego is a little too big to "Helping" other people with it.
Creating discomfort to almost force people in your direction (assuming the context of the situation...people who do this are this...instead of asking what the actual context of the situation is) is not what I call free will, enlightened, or otherwise, but it is an excellent tactic to use on those who are desperate and unsure.
Tell you what, when you forced back into 3D to re-learn what you think you've already learned, try again, until then, you just a scam.
One way or the other, Mastery TV still promotes sheep mentality in people. The idea is not feasable. It's like trying to mass-produce somebody's original masterpiece. It takes away from the meaning and value of that masterpiece.
You want the answers? Better look within yourself.
EnderWiggin
I think Mastery TV in the worst case situation would be about as effective at producing a sheep mentality as CBS is, and about as feasable.
I agree with you when you say "You want the answers? Better look within yourself." Anyone who looks to TV for answers is on a fools' path.
Dark Knight
I think "stealing from Peter to give to Paul?" is a problem only if MasteryTV does not add any value through its programing.
In regard to:
("Creating discomfort to almost force people in your direction (assuming the context of the situation...people who do this are this...instead of asking what the actual context of the situation is) is not what I call free will, enlightened, or otherwise, but it is an excellent tactic to use on those who are desperate and unsure.")
I do spend alot of time with people who are desperate and unsure. I do not agree that assuming a context (or assuming anything for that matter) is an 'excellent' tactic.
I think however your comments probably relate back to my paragraph where I said "when people 'just eat and sleep.' they often smell bad.... " If that is the case, then what is the context for your prior comment ("There's barely even ego left. Only energy to work, sometimes eat and sleep. Self is just about gone.")?
Now I know you're a cult...or something worse.
Barely enough energy does not constitute furry little critters or smelling bad (if I smell bad from anything it's from excessive spraying of bath and body works sprays, thankfully, not requiring a tremendous amount of energy to use or reach for. A steady diet of take out Chinese alleviates the problem of washing dishes), especially if you have outside help (doesn't mean I'm isolated, just isolated from you).
Oooh, we are very analytical, prehaps overly analytical, seem to be able to pick out or play on people's weak points, put them in the spotlight...a particularly bad spotlight. I think I've referred to this before, it's called making people hypersensitive (Oh keep reading, honey, don't just stop here...the rest of what I have to say is very interesting). Pain from a pin prick is one level and pain from a gunshot is another level. Pin Pricks aren't life threatening so you don't pay attention to them. But then, people like you using the tactics you're using,...oooh...all the sudden pin pricks are life and death in your little arena. They're the same level as the gunshot. Hypersensitive. Of course you can't function that way if, all the sudden, you're hypersensitive to everything. You're senses which help you discern reality begin to shut down. Well you have to rely on something if your senses are functioning correctly to get you through life...would that be you and your offer possibly?
Mindgames..., and what's the problem with a little aggression? How do you grow if not challenged and how do you recognize if "other" exists or not (why are you the only one allowed to challenge or get aggressive)? Can't you stand on your own two feet? Tend to get a little agressive yourself...AWWWW....poor baby doesn't like being challenged very much.
I've decided to leave all the punctuation errors and typos (like I haven't in the past [:P]). It's not a gunshot wound. I'll exist. I may not have the capacity to create like I used to just yet, but my identity is becoming more and more intact, maybe that's all I really need right now.
But the tactics that you're using, especially on the uncertain and needy in this forum, as far as I'm concerned, are a gunshot wound and a fatal one.
So, go sort through what I said here and find the little dopey, stupid things that you seem to take so literally out of context and try to force people into a defensive posture with.
You're an idiot.
Hmmmm, I get the distinct feeling someone is reading over my shoulder....
Dark Knight:
Thank you for your long response.
My experience with the "group huggers" (as you called them....'Word of warning, transducer, quite a few of us here don't trust the "group huggers') is that they constantly remind people about DISCRIMINATION and about EMPOWERMENT.
When you write ("I may not have the capacity to create like I used to just yet, but my identity is becoming more and more intact, maybe that's all I really need right now.") and when EnderWiggin writes ("You want the answers? Better look within yourself.") I see EMPOWERMENT emerging as the "group huggers" have spoken about it.... in their vague and philosophical way.
TO All:
Would it make sense to produce a TV show, or a TV series, or a TV sit-com that explores and teaches those methods and techniques of psychic self-defense, that have a demonstrated record of effectiveness?
Man, I saw thousands of MasteryTV spam all over the web from different affiliates using google... Transducer, how much do you get for each person clicking on your link...? [xx(]
http://www.successsecrets.co.uk/marketing/internet-marketing-solution.html
To quote Mark Twain, "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics."
Sorry for such a long response, couldn't your mind keep up.
Empowerment? I see bloodsuckers...sucking money, energy, identity. Leaching is not empowerment. Tell you what, when you master the lesson of "other" come back, till then, "self" is all you have.
To quote Mark Twain, "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics."
Sorry for such a long response, couldn't your mind keep up.
Empowerment? I see bloodsuckers...sucking money, energy, identity. Leaching is not empowerment. Tell you what, when you master the lesson of "other" come back, till then, "self" is all you have.
Besides...Robert Bruce has written the book (excuse the pun) on OBE/astral self mastery. He blows the competition out of the water, without preying or verbally abusing the weak, unsure, and defeated. He CAN stand on his own two feet and blows the competition out of the water.
His articles are posted on this web site after all, or you could get his books off this site...[:P][:P][:P][:P][:P][:P][:P][:P]
I don't know what mastery TV is, and I don't care. I so enjoyed reading this. ALL of it. You all are too smart, too quick, too cool, and soo smooth!!! Better than any TV I've ever seen!! Took my mind off all my problems.
Transducer said:
"Enderwiggin: I think Mastery TV in the worst case situation would be about as effective at producing a sheep mentality as CBS is, and about as feasable.
I agree with you when you say "You want the answers? Better look within yourself." Anyone who looks to TV for answers is on a fools' path."
Actually, I believe that most people already have a sheep mentality, and that very mentality makes them succeptable to cults, etc. I don't watch that much TV, especially the news. I don't trust it. Look what it is doing. The government is well aware that the news puts fear into people, yet they continue to let it happen. There's something wrong with that, wouldn't you agree?
You are right. Anyone who looks to TV for answers IS a fool. That's what makes me question this Mastery TV... It conveys the idea to me that only a fool would watch it to make their lives better. People are fools for trusting TV in the first place. It's bad enough as it is. You can't mass-produce a population of good people. It just can't happen. Look at our fake, plastic society. It is a result of the crap they see on TV. People require intimacy more than anything else in the world. If you really want to help people, get rid of things they have to worry about outside of their lives. The dangerous ones are the ones in charge. I do not trust anyone who has the power to affect millions of peoples' lives, and when I say power, I mean political power and influential power. There are very few people I trust, and there are very few man-made things I will try.
People always make fun of tree-hugging, nature-loving hippy freaks, but to be honest, I find more wisdom alone in a forest than any website or TV show could ever convey. Why turn to technology? Look at the Amish. Their society is much better off where it matters. The people of that society are genuine and sincere to each other and those outside of their society. Our society is full of facades and acts. People aren't what they seem. This country is not what it seems. Many people immigrated here thinking they'd find freedom, but instead found themselves oppressed and forced to become assimilated into a society that was not their own. It's all lies. This country is a lie, just like the people who run it.
Nagual:
I don't get any money from a mere click. Ya got to take their tour and choose to buy their programing before I, you, or anyone else gets any money.
What I was told is that the programing is friendly to "group hugger" types so I thought I'd pass it on to the A.P. folks, for their consideration.
Serena:
Writing all this has distracted me from my daily concerns as well.
To a small extent, I have enjoyed the exchange.
Dark Knight:
There were two terms "Empowerment" and "Discrimination." Thank you for speaking to one of them.
Robert Bruce knows his onions.....stick with him!
EnderWiggin:
Dear couch potato :) .....thank you for your long response.
You and I are in fundimental agreement in all the important areas you've raised. We may disagree here and there among the details. I may have a little more optimism as to the perfect-ability of humankind, but we all have our weaknesses aye?
Here's another long response. COuld it be because I actually have a thinking brain? [:P][:P][:P][:P][:P][:P][:P][:P]
Just to make this even longer.................................................................................you may not read it all, but many other people will.
Discrimination? Yeah fine....I was going to work in race relations before all this happened to me, write a book (already wrote my dissertation on world peace and won first place back in college thank you very much), and I think I could have made a difference.
If you're going to sit there and whine and compare the bruises you received to the lynchings of African Americans, Jews being carted off to concentration camps, Cambodians in the Killing Fields, etc...that is an insult.
quote:
You and I are in fundimental agreement in all the important areas you've raised. We may disagree here and there among the details.
Scoozey?! Those "details" are not little things...they're the traits, aspects, etc that make up people as individuals vs sheep. You can't poo poo them as insignificant...it's practically throwing away the person. Hmmm, shall we create Earth in the image of the greys? Then go out and start abducting people from another planet, trample all over their free will, to relearn what we're missing.
Life is a maze: you make you're way through by learning where you've been, what turns didn't work. You, on the other hand, treat people who can't find their way fast enough with disrespect as if it's going to force their way through the maze faster. Then, to add on top of the genius, you pick people up out of the maze and drop them off closer to the exit with the presumption that you're helping. Just one problem...they were getting through the maze by learning their way around. 1) How are they supposed to know they're closer to the exit and 2) What good does it do them? They are now in unfamaliar territory, lost, with no idea how to get around. You've essentially destroyed all their hard work and now they have to start over.
People get through the maze of life by using their senses, feeling things out...the thing you treat as little and insignificant. Once gone,...hmmm can't use their senses to navigate anymore because they've become hypersensitive. Just what are they going to use to navigate...your method maybe? Let's just annihilate all identity shall we.
People have the potential energy to be perfect. Then there is the reality of kinetic energy. You have to make compromises to get through life and people have to compromise with you. It's called civilization, it's what differentiates a human being from a ring tailed lemur.
You don't seem to think you have to compromise with anything or anybody. You're using the good vibes of potential energy like a drug...don't see much kinetic energy in action. Like I said, when your butt gets shot back down to 3D to relearn what cooperation, compromise and respect are, I'll be waiting here with my pitchfork.
OH MY GOD!
I just checked out his bio...Xelios, Xelios check out this guy's bio, you'll love it.
That's where all the lines about aggression are coming from! He's a psychotherapist!
I was gonna say before how the tactics he's using are generally employed by lawyers, politicians, head psychs (not you Crim), culties, and military interegators...let's just break down the human boundaries and replace it with what we deem normal.
So, the usual tactic, huh? Instead of treating the person and making the condition go away, you treat the condition and make the person go away.
Dark Knight,
I found that all quite obvious. I hope it is just as obvious for others. My goal is to become so educated and educate others so much that the government will get a headache trying to think of new ways to control us, and give up in despair. Now, I'm not saying that Mastery TV is affiliated with the government, but they are certainly using the same tactics of manipulation.
Interesting & makes me think (scary when I do that). Where is all this psychic contamination really coming from?? I think we need alot more books on Psychic self defense & really need to find out where it's
originating from.
I agree, we need to get to the root of the problem.
Id like to see a tv channel devoted entirely to the exploration, research and communication of all things which this site deals in.
The Best channels are the discovery channels (imformative, apart, educational etc) ,if the kind of thing which it shows were broadcasted all the time it would have a significant impact on the lifes of couch potatoes, whose main stimulus is the tv..
Say we got rid of soap operas, game shows, reality tv..etc and bombarded the airwaves with documenteries about other cultures, animals,philosopical debates, science programs, metaphysics and the like, imagine how it would change the average couch potato.
Showing the kind of programs which emphasise the beauty of life and the pursuit of knowledge would be a more constructive use for tv.
isnt this what transducer is saying?
instead of mindless soap operas being the topic of discussion, it would be people exchainging ideas with different people, people who with the constructive use of tv have developed a mind of there own and constructed there own set of ideals and beleifs based on the pure education and relevant knowledge being communicated by tv.
This i think is what transducer means-- i think people have interpreted it in a "BE SAVED" kinda channel, but he may mean just pure, unbias, relevant education for people who need it, and a planet which is ready for it.
Psychic and ESP phenomena is growing, this will eventually overthrow the skeptisism which science has in spirituality and become a branch of science itself.
it may or may not be lies, i dunno- id kinda like to see a series of what you intend to show on the channel, or a scheduel or something like that.
it sounds to me like a discovery channel kinda thing devoted to the evolution of consciousness through New-age and eastern tecniques.
Id LOVE to see more documentaries about astral projection, it would make tv worthwhile.
if thats what transducer is saying then id be interested.
I'd love to get the important stuff on T.v. as well . Instead of Britney Spears & how she's dealing with her breakup. How about whats going on
that we suddenly have negs running around everywhere. How people are dealing with that & where did this all come from. In the 80's , I never heard the word Psychic attack. Why are we over run with these creatures .
I think it has to do with all the books on Black Magic in the bookstores.
I watched as my Astrology book shelves started becoming dominated with books on Black Magic & Voo Doo. I like to keep up with the latest astrology books & they were slowly pushed aside by books on Tarot cards,
then came the Black Magic books & Chaos magic books, voo doo kits ect.
Trying to find a trend here. The root of the problem? Inexperienced Black magicians creating stuff ??
rodentmouse:
Thank you very much for your posting. I am in strong agreement with what you wrote, especially when you said;
"Showing the kind of programs which emphasise the beauty of life and the pursuit of knowledge would be a more constructive use for tv."
I too enjoy watching the Discovery channels, but some other networks which have this kind of programing are; Bravo, Trio, World Link TV, History and History International, Science, and Independent Film Channel. I get all the above on a satellite tv system through the "Direct TV" company.
I'm also in agreement when you said;
"Psychic and ESP phenomena is growing, this will eventually overthrow the skeptisism which science has in spirituality and become a branch of science itself."
I am familiar with Robert Bruce's early work, I am a close follower of the work of Charles Tart, I'm a member of IANDS, and a long time subscriber to the Journal of Near Death Studies. These are all mechanisms which connect spirituality with science.
As a mechanism that provides "..a path to the masses" Mastery TV sends its signal through the internet, and promises to give you a little money for referring subscribers. They have launched or are, for the moment, still in their pre-launch phase. Their actual programing remains to be seen. However their programing promise to me, is shared with you all at the beginning of this thread.
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Hi Metal Ice
To answer your question about black magic, you are partially right. I believe the reason for this is because teenage girls go through the Wicca fad and other similar fads. That is, they don't join for the religion, they join for the magic. It's a misconception and preconceived notion that our society seems to have about it. When you take something sacred and precious and make it into a fad and slap your company's label all over it, etc., bad things can happen. People will do anything to make a buck. You are a member of an esoteric group or you practice esoteric things, and suddenly EVERYONE'S doing it because they've run out of creative ideas and sucked the meaning out of everything else. It becomes the 'thing to do.' What they don't realize is how much they are disrespecting the individuals who are developing the very thing they are selling, and they also don't realize that they aren't respecting the thing they're selling. They are doing everyone an injustice by taking something sacred and making it secular and mainstream. All for a profit.
While we're at it, why don't we just burn the church and worship some golden calves?
Well to some extent we do .....live in an American society that worships the money god of the golden calf! The cathedral of this god is called the shopping mall. Where young people buy the latest shiney or 'in' thing, their bodies adorned by the latest icon of 'must have' objects. A nation of sheep??? perhaps....lead by the priests of advertising and motivatied by greed, quests for superiority, status, and power over others.
Education and spirituality make available the hard struggle of an alternative path. Yet when one has made a portion of that journey, and feels the urge to communicate it to others, one is indeed challenged by the problem of HOW to get the message out.
A major risk in getting the message out is that "...they are doing everyone an injustice by taking something sacred and making it secular and mainstream." as EnderWiggin sucinctly stated the problem.
Ah, I've just had a thought. If/when it becomes mainstream and the "thing to do," that's when we, the REAL people, come out and tell them they're doing it all wrong. It is at this point that we will have the most influence. So I suggest we prepare for it.
We can get the message out using the mainstream... but we're going to be facing some very financially powerful opponents with a lot of pull in the media.
Those who practice REAL Wicca (or anything else), truely KNOW Wicca (or anything else), all the money making fads can never diminish its underlying essential truth. The frauds, fadists, and immitators are always exposed when the truth of the true practioner is made known!
So do not fear those with money. Stand up and speak your truth. Make your appeals. Welcome and encourage those who have the courage to seek the truth you have discovered! Seek ways to introduce the mainstream to your truth.
Transducer,
It may not matter to US that they have money, but the people that we're trying to convince worship, yes indeed, the golden calf of Money, its prayers of Trade, and those who hold it. They'll follow the rich ones.
But...
Everyone,
Wait for 2012, man, wait for 2012. When people get THAT excited, they'll believe anyone... Just wait for 2012 and get in there before everyone else.
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