negs and schizophrenia

[Logic]

Thats a very important observation, as they appear to be two things very closeley related, perhaps even the same.

[narfellus]

I've wondered about schitzophrenia in clinics as well. I believe wholly in negs, and i also believe that they have a natural place in God's universe. They are only strange and unknowable because of our very limited earthly perspective. Anyway, i agree that persons who hear "voices" and whatnot are likely influenced by negs, but how they GOT there to start with is what perplexes me. The negs are entrenched so to speak in the schitzophrenic, wrapped around their mind and spirit quite efficiently. In my study of yoga and kundalini, it is a warning early in the process that incorrect use of these techniques can cause irreprable brain damage and psychosis. I wonder how many people in mental wards at some point in their life have messed with magic or energy without proper precaution, respect, or regard as to what they were doing. Then again, you might have a quiet old woman suddenly seem to go crazy, so it's hard to say.

[kiauma]

You are not the first to intuit a connection with schizophrenia and psychic forces:  

http://www.cpa-apc.org/Publications/Archives/CJP/2003/february/polimeni2.asp

In fact, in some circles it has gone so far as to call schizophrenia "the Shaman's disease":

http://www.jungcircle.com/roberts2.html

Schizophrenic symptoms are just one indication of possible spiritual emergence, or other psychic crisis:

http://www.nor.com.au/community/spiritualemergence/page4.html

[daem0n]

today i have heard a voice in my head, it was calling a demon i read about on this forum(Aziel if i recall correctly, at least he was known by this name), i found the neg that planted this thought in me and beat the living s*** out of him, after that there were no more voices, and no more thoughts...
it's just negs, don't worry [], you just have to know yourself and know, which thoughts are yours, and which aren't

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by narfellus

 I wonder how many people in mental wards at some point in their life have messed with magic or energy without proper precaution, respect, or regard as to what they were doing. Then again, you might have a quiet old woman suddenly seem to go crazy, so it's hard to say.

I've studied this topic myself for many years and it seems as though there are probably more unwanted/unplanned releases of Kundalini than one might suspect. Physical injuries or illnesses seem to be the source most likely to release the Kundalini, along with unwise spiritual experimentation.

I've read quotes from clairvoyant investigators which say that about half the populations in mental facilities suffer from premature/unwanted/uncontrollable Kundalini forces! Another source of problems is unbalanced body chemistry which interfers with the connection and normal functioning between the physical brain and the higher spiritual bodies. One way this manifests is "throwing open the doors" of the spiritual sense faculties which are meant to be shut for the untrained and undisciplined average mind. They become lost in an ocean of sensory data which they cannot cope with.

[BlackTalon]

Odd, I was thinking about this at work. I think theres definetly a connection. I have two friends who are szhisophrenic so I know a little about it and their experiences.

I know for one, he was heavily into whitchcraft, satanic bibles before he became szhisophrenic...at least i'm pretty sure it was before. I asked him once why he got into all of that and he said because he always felt weak, and this stuff made him feel as though he had more power or more control.

The other one was a follower, he would almost do anything to feel he was "part of the group"

He always talked about ( or bragged ) how he had entities in his apartment and that nobody believed him and he thought it was funny. It was at this time when I was staying overnight at his place..He wanted me to listen to this music and that I could hear something if I listened, I passed on that notion..I never really noticed anything odd but as I went to sleep i had an experience that I haven't beat yet.

I was just lying on the couch, ya know planning your next day and boom I was in emptyness being sucked through this spirialing vortex...I remember it spinning, maybe purple? and all I can say is it felt horrible, like all my good feelings were being sucked out....but as i think back I wonder maybe those feelings were just fear, I don't know for sure...but when I came out of it, the odd thing was I just decided to go to sleep after that like it wasnt anything special.


I've heard many stories from both of them but I won't really get into them...interesting subject though for sure.

[Ant]

imho there is no such illness as schizophrenia. there are plenty of very sick people, but 'schizophrenia' is nothing more than a pigeonhole label attached to them; psychiatry really has absolutely no understanding of what is going on, and shamanic type approaches are far more useful in understanding what is actually wrong.

ant

[narfellus]

quote:Originally posted by BlackTalon


I know for one, he was heavily into whitchcraft, satanic bibles before he became szhisophrenic...at least i'm pretty sure it was before. I asked him once why he got into all of that and he said because he always felt weak, and this stuff made him feel as though he had more power or more control.

I've heard many stories from both of them but I won't really get into them...interesting subject though for sure.

Actually, BlackTalon, i WOULD like to hear some of those stories. I'm sure they are relevant to the thread in some fashion. Personally, i wouldn't have slept in the house of someone i knew was conjuring lower astral entities, but at least you gleaned a useful experience from it! There are tons of entities that could recreate the experience you mentioned, with the vortex. You were an energetic food source!

As for schizophrenia not being a disease, i've come to agree with that. It is just an unknown (by scientific terms) state of consciousness that has to do with spiritual energy out of control. In fact, i think it is probably a normal condition in many respects, and in the future we will as a human race understand, control, prevent, or simply use it to our benefit. What was magic becomes science, as the two are very related...

[kiauma]

Consciousness, especially where it manifests in the physical, is extremely complex.  I seriously doubt that any 'disease' of altered perception or behaviour ever has a single cause across groups of like symptoms.

I think there could be many explanations, and each could account for it's share of cases.   What sickness needs, like any disability, is individual attention and understanding, to try to find the optimal healling in each case.

Seeing a hundred people come through your office and saying they all have the same affliction caused by the same thing is one thing, and sitting here guessing they all have the same thing caused by something else is the same thing only worse.   Perhaps one or more of the young readers here will decide strive to devote their lives to the study and cure of metapsychological problems - the healling of the spirit.   It is something real that could be done.

[aryanknight666]

quote:What I do fear, as do probably several others, is that neg attacks can cause hearing voices of similarity to schizophrenics. These can range from just voice sounds, uttered words that usually have a false or nonsensical meaning to them, or they seem like your own thoughts but slightly different.
Hearing these voices can make the attacked person fearing for his state of sanity, as I've done several times.
You have to say to yourself "it's just the negs!"

I don't think that's a good attitude. Hearing voices in your head and telling yourself its just demons in a multi-plane parallel dimension or whatever and one of "God's Angels" will soon be on his way to help is very characteristic of psychosis.
Here's my advice:
if you hear vioces in your head, see a psychiatrist, get a diagnosis and get treatment.

[aryanknight666]

quote:Actually, BlackTalon, i WOULD like to hear some of those stories. I'm sure they are relevant to the thread in some fashion. Personally, i wouldn't have slept in the house of someone i knew was conjuring lower astral entities

No, he said the guy was into witchcraft and was reading the satanic bible, the satanic bible has nothing to do with "teh congur1ng u2p of l3wer astrel ent5yies!!!!11", "whitchcraft" doesn't have to anyway.  

[Mathias Jonsson]

I work every summer at a psychiatric home facility, and every time one of the resients (most of which are suffering from schizophrenia of various types) talks about hearing voices, I can't help thinking about my own neg problem.

What is usual in psychotic disorders and their hallucinations is that voices are heard clearly which often mock, criticize or ridicule.
The rational, "scientific" way of dealing with this is calling these symptoms of a disturbed mind, and these voices being something inside the pateint himself for example various complexes that he is unable to deal with; Carl Jung named them autonomous complexes, archetypal energies that are so strong that they swamp the personality.

Personally, I believe that many people who suffer from schizophrenia also have neg problems, as they are easy victims.
The probable reason for this is that the negs feed on these people's anxiety and unability to keep the conscious and unconscious apart.
As a warden to these people i find it hard to say that "it's just in your head".

I remember one time when helping one person who had lots  and lots of hallucination problems, that erupted in to major attacks, one of his neighbours actually labeled him as "possessed by demons" (not unaccurate at all in my opinion). This time when I entered this poor man's flat after hearing him screaming to the voices, I could sense that there was a dense, almost compact atmosphere in his apartment.
I have felt a similar atmosphere in a old house which belonged to a local doctor of the early 1900s. I don't know if the house was haunted, it probably was.

Some people may say that "why do you work there if you have neg problems". Well, actually I did have neg problems long before working there, and my problems haven't worsened after working there.

What I do fear, as do probably several others, is that neg attacks can cause hearing voices of similarity to schizophrenics. These can range from just voice sounds, uttered words that usually have a false or nonsensical meaning to them, or they seem like your own thoughts but slightly different.
Hearing these voices can make the attacked person fearing for his state of sanity, as I've done several times.
You have to say to yourself "it's just the negs!"