Negs, schitzophrenia and Em fields! *please read*

[Anonymous]

This is quite interesting. I think Adrian should make it a "sticky" for awhile.

[McArthur]

Thanks! []

Well i think the post needs cleaning up a little before it deserves a "sticky"... but ppl could always post a *bump* when it gets to the bottom of the Forum. I am looking for any comments on this too please. Especially anyone who knows about neurology and/or physics. Thanks.

[McArthur]

Ok check this out too!
http://www.laurentian.ca/neurosci/persinger.html

I've not had time to read it in depth but i just have this 'feeling' it may be important.

[McArthur]

I am still trying to work out how to access the full articles but just read one of the abstracts for the first one at this link;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Display&DB=PubMed

Geophysical variables and behavior: CIV. Power-frequency magnetic field transients (5 microtesla [note by me: this is exactly the reading i was getting from my meter- 5 microteslas!]) and reports of haunt experiences within an electronically dense house.

Persinger MA, Koren SA, O'Connor RP.

Department of Psychology, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ontario, Canada.

Magnetic field measurements for power frequencies were measured continuously over two 24-hr. periods for a small house in which two adults who exhibited above normal occurrences of complex partial epileptic-like experiences had reported "waves of fear", tactile sensations, nightmares, apparitions, and a sensed presence. The experiences occurred within an area in which irregular amplitude modulations between 1 microT and 5 microT (50 mG) from 60-Hz sources, with durations of a few seconds to several tens of seconds, were measured. This case suggests that transient, complex temporal patterns of power-frequency magnetic fields generated by less than optimal grounding in dwellings and telluric currents may be sufficient to evoke experiences in the brains of sensitive individuals. Cultural labels, applied by the experients, then affect the explanations and expectancies for these experiences.
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Well it doesnt say "ok its negs", it is quite agnostic and scientific about it(which is good). But i am just blown away that these are so similar to the things i stumbled upon independently.

[Metal Ice]

MacArthur,

You wanted to know which tarot card has figure 8 sideways.
The Magician  Tarot card has a number 8 over
his head sideways.

[goingslow]

In Monroe's book.. Far Journeys...Or maybe it was journeys out of body he talks about being around a faraway(sp?) or faraday or whatever cage and not being able to move.  He was pretty much stuck around it or in it... he thought it was cus of electromagnetic waves.  

So you're probably onto something.  Just thought I'd add what i read recently on that.

[Noxerus]

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[Donni_Joy]

this is all ~interesting~

pardon my typing i have a toddler on my lap....

wots an em metre is it new or a scientific equipment thingy.... sounds like fun.... i'd be interested in measurements in sacred places, cemetry, (night and day/full monn, etc), over underground water, crop circles, etc etc etc wonder if any patterns would emerge.

with all this Mac (hi by the way ) add Reich's orgone energy generator or Teslas ~whatever~.... it all comes down to energy patterns since everything is energy anyway.

the inifinty 8 symbol in tarot magician really hit a chord with me. brain thinking.

waffling. Bumping this up (tho it ain't that low on page LOL) will ponder and etc.

Donni

[Mirador]

McArthur

I am very glad to have read your post, and hope you can help me explain a particular situation. Here, in the southern foothills of the island of Hispaniola, there's an 'entity' which my 'collegues' believe is a 'supernatural' being, but I suspect it's a predatory animal with well honed psychic skills. Stories abound, people are very frightened and believe is the 'work' of the 'devil', and that certain 'sorcerers' have these beings at their service. This being makes its appearance during Lent, and very rarely attacks people. It seeks out mostly goats, kills them, drains their blood, but would not eat them. Other animals would not get near the dead carcasses. The goats don't scream, so it appears the being must mesmerize them. Here, goats and sheep are left to feed and roam in the open. A couple of seasons ago, over one hundred goats and sheep were killed over night, and the next day the Colonel (police chief) with a truck load of soldiers stopped by my compound after scouring the hills in search of the culprit. They killed all the dogs in sight. I know some locals gossip about I having something to do with it, so I offered to pay for all the dead goats, but no one will take my money. Now I realize I made a mistake, and a lot of folks are afraid of me.
I've had encounters with this being, but the most significant is the following.
I was asleep in the small thatched hut, along with my wife and infant son. In the larger hut within the stockade compound was sleeping a young male relative who was visiting form the previous day.
Around midnight my wife and I woke up from what could be described as having a 'nightmare' and at the precise moment our infant son woke up crying. Since I live in a remote area with no immediate neighbors I keep a measure of security devices including a radar system that covers most of the area within the stockade. My wife got up to hold of our young son and confort him back to sleep, but I stepped out the door and as soon as I went outside one of the radar alarms went off. I sneaked around the back of the hut to peak toward the area covered by the alarm. I would like to mention that there's no possible way human or animal can get within the compound unless they jump over the stockade (made of small diameter tree trunks about ten feet tall). In the space between the outdoor hut used for cooking and the large hut was a black formless blob. A bare low watt bulb about fifteen feet away was the only illumination. After a few minutes of staring at the blob something started to unwind from the top of it until it took the shape of the eyeless head of a black doberman dog. The black mass was too big for the size of the head to be a dog, and when I focused on the mass of the blob, I noticed that it had parallel stripes, like a watermellon, like a wild african boar. All of a sudden the blob stood up and I was very happy since I was sure I could tell what animal it was from it's legs. Then it suddenly started to move away from me, toward the back of the large hut. But I could not see the legs! It was moving and somehow what were supposed to be legs seemed to intertwine and crisscross in a movement to hard to explain, but which gave the impression of the slither of a snake. As soon as I lost it in the back of the large hut I walked back to the opposite end of the small hut to tell my wife of the experience, and when I crossed the corner, I saw it again, at the far end of the ramada that connects both huts. And at the moment it saw me, the eyeless black doberman head, and the head started a counterclock movement which took on the whole body, and dissapeared! However I was left with the impression that it was trying to fool me into believing it had retreated toward the stockade. At the moment it dissapeared the TV inside the large hut started blasting at full volume.
In the morning, I asked the visiting young relative if he has turned on the TV on around midnight, he said no, that the sound of the TV had woken him and he got out of bed to turn it off. Also that he had heard some strange scratching noises in the window and he got so scared that he covered his head with a blanket and fell asleep.

Mirador

[McArthur]

Anyone remember my old thread about Em fields and negs? Heres the link to it;

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=&TOPIC_ID=1290

I said in that thread;

"Its not so much about having to stay in the coils, its more to do with getting a really strong *pulse* of some kind of field (or degausser) to see if it affects this entity or not. The very weak EM field given off by my beard trimer seems to do something, so i need something with a bit more Umph to it. I know this sounds like Sci-Fi and a little crazy but its all i have to go on right now. And i bet those damn coils are expensive too."

Now read this latest article about new Scientific findings of how Em pulses are helping Schitzophrenics with thier "voices"!
You may have to sign up to read the entire article but its free to do so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/06/health/psychology/06VOIC.html?pagewanted=1


"Auditory hallucinations are a hallmark of schizophrenia: 50 percent to 75 percent of the 2.8 million Americans who suffer from the illness hear voices that are not there."

Well of course the "voices" are there if they are hearing them!


"In the treatment, an electromagnetic coil shaped like a Figure 8 is held to the patient's head. The coil produces a quarter-size magnetic field that is then rapidly turned on and off, inducing an electrical field in the cerebral cortex's gray matter. "

A figure 8 to the head is MAGIC. I.E. Which Toarot card has a figure 8 (sideways)?

And this treatment they are experimenting with is more or less what i was doing as a defense against negs!

And heres a post i made to alt.magick last year partly made from my thread here;

Inorganic Beings and Em Fields;

Are your thoughts you own? All of them? Are you sure?

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For quite some time now i have known that certain Inorganic Beings can be
somehow linked to ElectroMagnetic fields. I remember reading online on some
paranormal investigator website of how "Ghost hunters" will take an EM meter
with them to alert them of some presence. For instance;

http://www.ghostwatchuk.org/ghost-photography.htm

"It is also believed that ghosts are Electro-magnetic in origin. The energy
a ghost gives off will cause a disruption in the location's magnetic field,
which then becomes detectable using a measuring device. The instrument used
to detect this is called an Electro-Magnetic Field Detector."

So i decided to buy one because i had had some kind of presence around for a
while. As soon as i recieved the meter and turned it on i started picking up
large fluctuations in the EM spectrum. The actual meter i used is the
Natural Trifield EM Meter and is specially designed to filter out man-made
EM fields (hence the term Natural).

http://www.trifield.com/EMF_natural.htm

This can be used to measure *changes* in local EM fields. I was picking up
changes in the EM field of around 5 to 6 microteslas. Then, all of a sudden,
the EM field started going haywire, the needle was flicking from zero to 5
like morse code, and the tone on the meter was beeping on and off. I knew it
was the entity doing this and told it to do 1 beep for yes and 2 beeps for
no, and it did it (!). I have witnesses to this.

So anyway, not only do i know that the EM field changes when an entity is
present, i know that, whatever IT is, it can *make subtle changes to the EM
field as and when it wants to*. How it does this is far beyond me right now,
i just know, with objective  scientific proof, that it can. Here is
something i noticed though. The Meter is made only to pick up *changes* in
the Em field. After a few seconds of any change the needle should *normally*
go back to zero until yet *another* change occurs. But this entity was able
to keep the needle on 5 microteslas for as long as it liked, therefore, it
must have been *oscillating* (vibrating?) the actual EM Field to keep the
needle in that position.

For instance. I tried holding a magnet near the EM Meter to repeat what the
entity was doing and i was unable to do it. Every time i put the magnet near
the meter, the needle would move and then go straight (within 1 second) back
to zero. So not only is this entity capable of manipulating the EM field it
can also somehow oscillate it quite precisely. Im not too up on physics and
need to research this more but doesnt this mean it is changing the frequency
of the field?

Something else i noticed. I have an electric beard trimmer, and i started to
notice than when i was using my trimmer, the *buzzing* sound in my ears/head
(similar to tinnitus) would almost disappear. I used my EM meter to measure
what type of field the trimmer was giving off and it was in the EM range.
Furthurmore, using the beard trimmer, i was able to make the needle on the
meter stay at around the 6 Microtesla mark and stop it from returning back
to zero. Somehow i believe that an oscillating EM field is able to interfere
with what this entity was doing to me: a buzzing in my head with a numb
feeling, amongst other things.

I recently did a search on EM fields and brain chemistry and came up with
some interesting information. Read this;

http://www.erowid.org/spirit/devices/devices_article1.shtml

(a snippet)
"We can use TMS to prevent people from seeing a visual stimulus or make it
hard for them to speak", he says. They can also make people move their limbs
without any voluntary control."
and;
"In scientific terminology, he uses a specific, precisely timed, repetitive
signal - one dubbed the "Thomas Pulse" - to create a "sensed presence" in
the test subject's brain. Some volunteers have reported feelings of pleasant
detachment, while others have broken into a panic, convinced the test
chamber is "hexed". And some have had direct experience of the divine. "

Is it possible that one of the ways Inorganic Beings control or affect
Humans is through the manipulation of subtle EM fields? In the above where
it mentions they managed to "make people move their limbs without any
voluntary control" is so similar to possession experiences that i now
believe that this is _partly_ how they take people over.
The tingling and buzzing sensations in my head are a result of this
Inorganic trying to directly interfere with the brain and the electrical
impulses as well as (possibly) brain chemistry using its ability to
manipulate subtle EM fields just like the Psychological researchers are now
learning to do.

This is not to say that these entities are EM in nature, i dont know this,
but they *can* manipulate EM fields.


Here are a couple of things i think may be connected with my findings so
far;

Electronic voice phenomena;
http://www.ghostshop.com/
and
http://www.victorzammit.com/index.html

I believe i know how the spirit voice phenomena works and why the "voices"
appear on tapes.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/cassette.htm
a snip;
"The tape itself is actually very simple. It consists of a thin plastic base
material, and bonded to this base is a coating of ferric oxide powder. The
oxide is normally mixed with a binder to attach it to the plastic, and it
also includes some sort of dry lubricant to avoid wearing out the recorder.
This oxide is a ferromagnetic material, meaning that if you expose it to a
magnetic field it is permanently magnetized by the field. That ability gives
magnetic tape two of its most appealing features: "

The reason why a voice is not heard during the recording of these "spirit
voice phenomena" is because humans can not *hear* the electromagnetic field
with normal hearing. But a magnetic tape can record the fluctuations in the
EM field and play it back as a sound/voice.


also from http://www.ghostweb.com/digital.html
"Why is this important? Perhaps it provides us with some insight about why
the digital camera is such an excellent device for capturing spiritual orbs
and ectoplasm. The pixels are activated by light and produce a tiny
electrical charge. The spirits are electromagnetic in nature and therefore
are able to control electrical devices and the electrical charges that
imprint the image.
Thus, it would seem easier for a spirit to enable a digital camera to
capture its image because the spirit is electromagnetic in nature and the
digital relies upon electromagnetic charges compared to the film camera and
its silver-halide crystals process for imprinting its image."


Mark
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Juan Matus continues, "What I'm saying is that what we have against us is
not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a
methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is
destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There
are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised
to become a piece of meat."
http://www.wynd.org/matrix.htm


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Whether my claim that this is interference by Inorganic Beings is correct or
not at least this latest article shows that the Em pulses are actually
helping. It is telling that they dont yet know why it works.

If only they would record any changes in the Em fields around their patients
during theses studies....

Pax,

Mac.