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Tom · February 26, 2003, 08:50:49

Was that a joke?

Did you accept the tapes anyway?

Are you still on the mailing list?

Shouldn't this be reported to whoever runs the groups on Yahoo?

Whose dog was it and does the dog want to sue?

Epsilon · February 26, 2003, 10:30:02

That must be a joke. I hope it is anyways, cause I found it pretty funny! [

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CRIMINALMIND63 · February 26, 2003, 11:50:45

No this isn't a joke. This is just somethings I have come across while looking for help with my problem. That's one of the things sick people do to get there kicks from having people do things from controling thee minds. I have person talked to two other people through email that where experiencing telepathy. The hidden sercrets where kept from us to prevent people from doing harm to each other. But the information is also given to the wrong people, there are aslo people born with power. Do to life circumstances then then use it on other people to cause harm. What has really been denied to use is the knowledge to keep these things from happening to us.
This person will probably find another person to do this to.
I have found from my attacker he has the same MO. My daughter dates a guy who's mother has been attacked by the same man I'm being attacked by. We just talked briefly so I'm not sure what all she has experienced. She did tell me that he sent her images and feelings. He has sent me these also. He has giving both of us a sob story about his wife cheating on him but didn't say that he was cheating on her so she paid him back. I was told he was doing this to about 7 woman. The person that told me is psychic and it is a friend of hers and told me he wanted to pimp her off on some guy. I then found out about my daughter's boyfriends mom. This makes three of us now. We are all single woman. The woman told me he is evil so he must be sending her bad images and sensations like he has sent me.

goingslow · February 27, 2003, 14:25:35

I get really weird thoughts in my head all the time. I never act on them... if i did i think i'd be more to blame than anyone putting them there. If i believed anyone put them there that is.

goingslow · February 27, 2003, 15:52:32

What i mean is if that person was having sex with his dog he's messed up. if you have a strong mind no one could make you do that.. I think in a way he's making excuses trying to figure out why he'd do such a thing. Or he/she's just joking and trying to hurt the mailing list.

kakkarot · February 27, 2003, 17:23:01

but, goingslow, what about those with weak minds? most of humanity falls under that category from my view point. why not from other's viewpoints as well? and i'm not just talking about, "i think i'm strong therefore i am", i'm talking about "i am strong, and they are weak."

~kakkarot

Anonymous · February 28, 2003, 07:52:30

I think there is more involved here than just a person attacking another person with their psychic powers. What would either have to gain from what they've been accused of? What would Crim have to gain from hurting the mailing list, and what would this guy have to gain from attacking people? Obviously whoever is in the wrong is being attacked by negs and/or demons that are making them do things by deceiving that person with lies and false facts. Nobody in their right mind would do such things. It's a waste of time. If this man is trying to get back at the world, he's wasting his time.

Tom · February 28, 2003, 08:11:30

Speaking for myself, I'm constantly finding new weaknesses in myself. As to what is yet to be discovered, who knows how much there will be? In many ways, instead of getting stronger in the growing up process I seem to be getting weaker.

Anonymous · February 28, 2003, 09:09:31

I think your perception determines your reality. If you think you are weak, you will become weak, but if you think you are strong, then you will become strong. It's not quite that simple, due to a million other little seemingly insignificant factors involved, but I find I am stronger if I confide in myself that I am strong.

silva · February 28, 2003, 10:12:46

Okay I find this ridiculus. I dont think criminal mind was the one trying to hurt the mailing list just the person who wanted an excuse as to why they'd have sex with their dog.

Where is personal responsibility. yeah i have weaknessses to that doesn't mean everytime i do a disgusting thing I blame it on a neg. what about when that person does something good like rescues a dog or is nice to their children. Do they say "it wasn't me an angel was whispering in my head what to do." No...people are more than willing to take credit for the good things... but some person finds themself doing sexual acts to a dog and its because these tapes had messages on them.

Is there any form of personal responsibility. Or are we just to blame everytime we have a bad thought about someone on a "neg"? I think things like this are the reason people are skeptical. Its becoming a cop out. Sure everytime i do something wrong i know why, its because im under psychic attack and at the time it was a good idea to torture my dog.

No you have your own mind.. negs may be able to make you angry but sexually abusing your dog was your own doing. Stop blaming "negs" for every single problem any of you have.. That's absolutely ridiculus and taking it too far. I believe in negatives and their interference...i've experienced things first hand. However i refuse to blame everytime i do something wrong on them. Like i said i dont see people acting as if their will to do good isn't their own...they're more than willing to take credit for that.

Anonymous · February 28, 2003, 10:39:08

Ok, well the other day I was walking through a door and someone was behind me. And lo and behold, an angel made me hold the door open for them!

Sorry, I was just being facetious. I think somethimes this happens though. Why not? If a neg can do stuff, why can't an angel-type being? I wonder what the ratio of people doing things out of their own free will and people doing things out of the influence of negs or angels.

You bring up a good point, Silva. I doubt, however, that EVERYONE here blames EVERYTHING bad that happens on negs or on others, as you have implied. If anything, even when a neg does cause things to happen, it is up to that person to become strong enough to resist the neg. That's what free will is all about- having a choice and using it to make ourselves stronger. We may not always succeed, but if we keep improving and making progress, then we've done something for ourselves.

silva · February 28, 2003, 10:55:57

Im sorry if i implied that...thats not what i meant to say. I would like to say I myself believe i was attacked at one point. I am not saying at all everyone is blaming everything on negs. But there are a few people (im glad to see its few) who do blame every negative thing that happens to them on negs. I read some posts when i first started coming here and only reading where a person said things like getting caught in a rainstorm was the doing of negs as well as her missing calls, and also the person calling later when she didnt need them.

This post about the negative tapes making the person want to have sex with dogs. Even if someone suggest you rape your dog I think if you're weak minded enough to do it thats your own fault. I dont see it as an excuse and i think its dangerous to include things like this when talking about psychic self defense. It becomes circular logic..

why did a person do such an illogical and wrong thing?
because a neg made them do it.
how do you know a neg did it?
because it is so illogical and wrong.

I completely believe there are negs who make you feel angry when you're in a minor argument. Suddenly you get these thoughts of what they really mean.. and things blow up. I believe in that type of manipulation because it has to do with emotions. But clearcut right and wrong things like.. raping your dog.. when is it the persons fault.

I think i was reacting to people who said some people have weak minds. As if this was an excuse.. i wouldnt have felt sorry for that person writing those emails i would have written back and told him he raped his dog. NO one made him.. even suggesting something doesn't make you do it.

*laughs* at the angel/door thing.. however i really think people are willing to own up to positive things and call it their own while saying negative thoughts are someone elses doing.

Anonymous · February 28, 2003, 12:44:29

Quote (by Silva):

"This post about the negative tapes making the person want to have sex with dogs. Even if someone suggest you rape your dog I think if you're weak minded enough to do it thats your own fault. I dont see it as an excuse and i think its dangerous to include things like this when talking about psychic self defense. It becomes circular logic.."

hmm... I'm not sure whether it's so much weak-minded as weak-spirited. You can have a weak mind but still be strong in spirit. If you believe something is wrong, if you truly and honestly believe, then you're not going to do it. Maybe it's a combination of weak-mindedness and also weak-spiritedness (is that even a word?) that contributes to the person's negative actions.

Tom · February 28, 2003, 12:54:47

One of the consequences of a negative action (body, speech, or mind) is an increased tendency toward similar actions in the future. This can be explained as karma. These tendencies are carried in the mind and they create circumstances which will lead toward more of the same. Someone with a tendency toward anger will be constantly surrounded by good reasons to be angry, but another person without that tendency will not have the same reaction even in the exact same situations. Fortunately, there are different remedies for different emotional and mental tendencies.

Anonymous · February 28, 2003, 13:20:09

good observation, Tom.

CRIMINALMIND63 · February 28, 2003, 14:44:31

I think most of you got the wrong perception of the email. Someone ordered this cd then used it to gain mind power. This person then had someone have sex with a dog ( the person sending the email). The person having sex was under mind control by the person using the tape. This is like being hypnotised. Some people say you won't do anything while hypnotized as you would if you wasn't. This really hasn't been proved and I believe this is proof that it can happen. My purpose isn't to cause harm to anyone whether it is a person or website or group. It's about awareness. We all have our beliefs here on protection and attacks, etc. When someone has experienced something they will tend to have more experience then someone that hasn't unless the person is well advanced in the knowledge.
The person is telling you they had no control over the situation and someone is controlling her. Do not be mistaken by her words. It's easier for you to say they are responsible for there actions because you don't want to except what kind of control someone can have over you without your knowledge of it.
I have experienced many things during my attack and I have seen things being done to other people without them being aware of it. Until you are aware of what is possible you have no real control.
In Dion Fortunes book she said about there being a watcher used or elemental and it is attacked. I would say it is like a thoughtform. I would say this is the strong sensations that someone sends you. An adept is used to consume this but has to steady his emotions to not act upon it. This is why some poeple act on things that are sent to them because they don't know where it is coming from. I have experienced this many times and in the past I acted upon it until this man has really shown me the truth behind it. I beleive I then steady my energy and didn't act upon it and thus absorbed what he had sent me.

Anonymous · February 28, 2003, 15:29:47

I got the meaning of what you were saying, Crim. I suspect some others may have as well. But I can see that a lot of people did misunderstand the original post. I think what you have written will clear things up. It's all good. No more mail from that vile, dispicable person (at least we hope).

CRIMINALMIND63 · March 01, 2003, 08:17:26

http://www.datafilter.com/mc/

Here is a website on mind control. This is happening.

Anonymous · March 01, 2003, 14:17:16

I think it's demons we should watch out for, not people with mind control. They're REALLY REALLY REALLY subtle little bastards. the slightest thing they do, the slightest belief they put in your head, can affect many things down the road, years from now. It is they who are attacking us. As humans, we are one people, evil or not. Those who have become evil must be brought back to the good. The unity must be there. Even your psychic attacker must be saved. The more dangerous they are, the higher their priority. If he's attacked that many people, he must be enlightened to the ways of God/Great Spirit/Allah, whatever you call the god(s) in your religion. Is this man a Christian? There are no exceptions to the Ten Commandments. None. Zero. Nada. There is always a way around the violence. If you're not skilled enough to find another way, that's your own fault. Every religion believes in at least the Ten Commandments, though they may have more or less commandments in a particular religion. But we can all agree on at least those ten. Don't kill, hurt, lie, cheat, steal, commit adultery, desire what others own, etc. What is outside of us, we cannot control. But we can control what is inside of us. Don't let anyone control your mind. Nobody can take you away from you unless you let them. The key is not to submit. What's yours is yours. Nobody can take your will from you, and if it is your will to be free of control, you can make it happen. I want this man to attack me and try to control my mind, badly, just to prove my point, so I can give you a "for instance." I want him to strike me when I am weakest, like the coward he is, so I can show you and not be all talk. I'll guide you through the process of getting your life back. Tell him to attack me, Criminalmind. He's already warned me, so why not? It'll be fun.[

] Despite what you think, I am not afraid. Tell him, go ahead, make me scream. MAKE me! I'm not doing this for reasons of hostility, I think it's important that you know that. He will know that if he attacks me.

Epsilon · March 01, 2003, 15:05:05

Ah...
I was one of those that totally misunderstood the post. Sorry. [:I]

Ender, I still don't understand just why you would want someone to try to attack you... especially to try to prove a point. [?]

-Ethan

CRIMINALMIND63 · March 01, 2003, 15:14:20

This is somehting I was told when I went to see another psychic that knows him and that he is attacking me. This person told me he opened me up to him. This is either my aura or chakras. She also said she was going to hypnotism me to align my chakras, also saying that probably how he got in. One this tells me you can atleast align someones chakras. Which might be the what reiki attuments might be. I told her i felt him come from my feet up. She told me this is how he got in. I have a book on auras and it shows the chakras. There is a path way from the feet to the knees to the hip area. It by passes the root chakra. I don't think he can't enter the root chakra, it is the layer cover the body. Any layer over this could then be covered and may be why sensations are felt in the body. This is your etheric body. Is it possible for people to be out of their body at all times but not in the astral plane. This would explain to me the sex used in attacks. This person came to me and made my skin crawl almost to the point of orgasm. He wasn't there physically. If his aura was surrounding mine would he then be able to use his aura to stimulate my etheric body to feel this.

kakkarot · March 01, 2003, 16:12:15

"I think it's demons we should watch out for, not people with mind control". i think we should watch out for both. demons are old and have great patience. humans have short lives and are fairly impatient. humans tend to cause a lot of destruction when they go on powermad spree's because we know that we only have a limited amount of time to do stuff.

demons are more manipulative, usually, but humans don't usually know when NOT to use their power, and cause a lot of misplaced havoc.

of course, evil in general should be approached cautiously at all times.

~kakkarot

Anonymous · March 01, 2003, 18:50:34

Your're absolutely right Kakkarot. All evil should be approached with great caution. Take baby-steps in your approach. Be insidious in your methods, like Chinese water torture, one drop at a time. A colony of leaf-cutting ants can devour a whole tree. One piece at a time.

CRIMINALMIND63 · March 05, 2003, 20:58:15

In reply to the original post about the CD used to create mind power here is something else I come come across. http://zapatopi.net/mindguard.html

As you will see you can protect your mind here. Not only that this CD goes by yourr birth date. Which could mean that the CD these people are using isn't right for all of them.

CRIMINALMIND63 · February 26, 2003, 08:46:24

I sign up for this forum when I seen they had a tapes that could help you meditate. This is an email I got from the group.

Subj: [Tifareth] REPORTING PEOPLE ABUSING THIS!
Date: 2/25/2003 11:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: kittykhatgrl@yahoo.com
Reply-to: Tifareth@yahoogroups.com
To: Tifareth@yahoogroups.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

I was victimized by this software! It occured many months ago, and
the user of the software finally told me what he was doing and that
he was using this software. He convinced me to perform sexual acts
on a dog for a long period of time and I was completely out of my
mind. I feel like a great evil was committed against me. DO NOT
CONTINUE TO DISTRIBUTE THIS SOFTWARE

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