Origins of negative entities

[EtheriK]

I've read about negative entities and wondered where these entities might have originated from, and why they walk the path they do. A friend of mine was assaulted by one while he was young, and up until now was convinced that it was a part of his own negative properties manifested before him somehow. However, that was seen not to be the case after several points were brought into view. Firstly there was the form. The room was pitch black, but he could still "see" the dark patch where the entity resided. Secondly, it positioned itself over his chest and my friend was overcome with a feeling of disgust at the "rudeness" and unwelcome feeling associated with the intruder. Thirdly, it seemed to dislike any positive influence. Light, happiness etc. And lastly, he wasn't the only person to encounter it that night, his mother had to come and help him fend it off.

So we got to speaking about how these "negs" came about. One such theory was this. All conscious beings can gather energy, to such a point as to become beacons of energy themselves, and no longer need to draw light/energy into themselves as they're self sufficient once their chakras are active and Godhead is reached. When people shuffle off the mortal coil, they're greeted by a brilliant white light. This light in effect would be our place of origin, our existence. The reason we would go back to it is because our light/energy form is not strong enough to be self sufficient. But for some reason or another, some conscious beings wandered from the light into the darkness surrounding. Their light/energy diminished and was consumed by the darkness.

There are several holes in this theory however. First being how do these entities travel from that plane of negativity to here, why, and is it possible for a being of pure negativity to revert back to light. The first questions possible answer is that their travel is subjugated by conscious beings who will their presence into being ie. portals, spirit summoning etc. There was a book I once perused discussing "boogeymen", and in it he wrote these boogeymen descended from invisible "moons" which revolve around the earth. It struck me that there's a possibility they might not be moons, but instead holes connecting their plane with ours. With the second question there is a possibility that negative entities are summoned for the sole purpose of doing the summoners bidding, and once their task is complete some are not "deported" so to speak. And the third... revolves around a giant question mark in my head.

Any thoughts?

[Draege]

My thought is, all 'negs' are simply what your friend originally thought they were. All the details of the attack give no proof as to them being real. The greatest proof of all that negs are not real for me is this: fear = negs, no fear = no more negs. People should try it sometime.

More importantly, even if they are real why not pretend they're not so you can control your fear and them wham, problem solved. Regardless of how you play the game of philosophy/theory on them the negs have been defeated.

[EtheriK]

Thank you for your thoughts. I've also thought of this yet found several holes in this theory also. Firstly, if the entity was in fact a manifestation of his fears produced by his subconscious, it would make sense that his subconscious mind would manifest something representing this fear in order to help him overcome it. However the description given of the entity matches the same description as countless reports given by others, black aura, feeling of malice, unwelcome visitor etc. Secondly, he was not the only person to witness this entity, his mother was present towards the end of his encounter and felt its presence also. If it was indeed a manifestation of his fear and his fear alone she would not have witnessed the same entity.

As for the idea of ignoring its presence in order to drive it away, I have serious doubts that would necessarily drive it away. If there is a possibility that it is a conscious entity, regardless of whether or not it's believed in or not it will still exist because it's not a product of my mind, therefore I have no control over its actions. It is however a possibility that fear attracts it, as does any negative aspects and the absence of fear will repel it coupled with the presence of positivity (love, compassion, light etc). Yet total ignorance wouldn't be the answer either lest we ignore a chance to understand these entities further.

However, I digress. I think I may have posted this in the wrong area. I sighted that this was to discuss the possible origins of negative entities, not to discuss their existence or ways to ward them off. I'm just going to change it now.

[Sin Buddhata]

Another possibility: What if they are people?

These "negative entities" may in fact be the culmination of a negatively impacting diversion from the path of ascension or a conscious decision to nurture the ego from the beginning of their spiritual path. Whatever the case may be they are now feeding their ego at the expense of the unconscious masses of humanity. Perhaps when they become strong enough, after feeding on the miseries of humanity, people start calling them demons.

This is all, of course, speculation...

[EtheriK]

Yeah, that's kind of the theory I was explaining. They still are a conscious being of course, and at one point were on the same track as us. But for some reason or another instead of choosing to 'follow the light at the end of the tunnel', they chose to explore darkness. Without attaining Godhead (the Christian faith dictates, "believe in me and you will never grow hungry again" hinting at self sufficiency through spiritual enlightenment) these beings were cut off from the 'fathers love' so to speak and were consumed by the void.

Thanks for the reply by the way Sin Buddhata, greatly appreciated.  

[Sin Buddhata]

Yeah, that's kind of the theory I was explaining. They still are a conscious being of course, and at one point were on the same track as us. But for some reason or another instead of choosing to 'follow the light at the end of the tunnel', they chose to explore darkness. Without attaining Godhead (the Christian faith dictates, "believe in me and you will never grow hungry again" hinting at self sufficiency through spiritual enlightenment) these beings were cut off from the 'fathers love' so to speak and were consumed by the void.

Thanks for the reply by the way Sin Buddhata, greatly appreciated.  

Yes, THEY are conscious. The vast majority of humanity is not. That is why humanity dreams every night instead of experiencing the astral consciously. Human thought and awareness is all over the place restricting any level of true consciousness.

Now there are some who gain understanding, awareness, and consciousness yet refuse to let go of their Selves. The Self, composed of those psychological adjuncts that render humanity an intellectual beast, enter the eighth Sephira and continue to spread the misery they propagated in this world. But they do it consciously and with full understanding of their deeds and the pain they cause. They are intoxicated by their own ego.

Their power lies in humanity's ignorance. For that ignorance creates great fear.

But again, this is speculation... of course.

[Nierika]

I'm new to this site and find your comments about this very interesting. I've had several encounters with what you call negs or shadow beings.

It has crossed my mind that like thoughtforms, they grow and appear to gain in a certain "life" from our own energies of fear or focus on them.

Rather like a parasite perhaps? After a particularly focused spiritual purification of my home, I saw one that felt rather female "run" away and out the back door (during the day). But it still comes in at night off and on.

[EtheriK]

Thanks for the posts you guys, I was getting lonely there Although the vast majority of humanity might not be enlightened, it doesn't mean they aren't conscious. Consciousness means awareness, and every living thing is aware to some degree. If it wasn't, it wouldn't exist. But the question I was getting to still remains unanswered; is it possible for a being of negativity to revert back to a being of positivity? Also, could you could describe your encounters in detail please Nierika? Any information would be greatly appreciated.  

[Sin Buddhata]

Thanks for the posts you guys, I was getting lonely there Although the vast majority of humanity might not be enlightened, it doesn't mean they aren't conscious. Consciousness means awareness, and every living thing is aware to some degree. If it wasn't, it wouldn't exist. But the question I was getting to still remains unanswered; is it possible for a being of negativity to revert back to a being of positivity? Also, could you could describe your encounters in detail please Nierika? Any information would be greatly appreciated.  

Yes, they can come to behave positively, or should I say, "move forward". Inevitably these beings come to realize that they aren't really progressing no matter how powerful they wish to believe they are. In fact they are lower on the evolutionary scale than humans. They are moving backwards. I will reiterate that human ignorance is the only thing giving them the illusion of power. It is akin to the old myth that elephants are afraid of mice.

When I say consciousness I am not referring to the illusion of self or merely the act of experiencing the physical senses. The Self is merely the culmination of various psychological adjuncts manipulating the Intellectual, Emotional, Sexual, and Motor centers of the typical human animal. For instance, the majority of human beings will find it difficult to simple stop all thought because where a human may want to stop thinking, the adjuncts - the Ego - do not stop. They continue to influence the thoughts of humanity and humanity mistakenly believe that their thoughts, actions, and reactions stem from their own Being. This is how they feed. By abusing human energies. Through them humanity is merely an intellectual beast. Acting and reacting mechanically to all stimuli and situations without ever knowing why they think, feel, and act the way they do.

[EtheriK]

Thanks again Sin Buddhata for the replies. I can understand that these things would not evolve, as positivity promotes growth and without positivity that growth is unachievable. So your point of view is that self is like an obstacle we must overcome, we hold no individuality and we all eventually become one with a higher consciousness?

[Sin Buddhata]

So your point of view is that self is like an obstacle we must overcome, we hold no individuality and we all eventually become one with a higher consciousness?

Humans don't have any individuality and they never will as long as their mind and motivations are constantly in contradiction. Each person has so many different Selves that emerge at different times. Human thought and direction is constantly changing depending on whichever ego is in the front seat at any given time.

[EtheriK]

So what do you think we retain as individuality upon ascension, if any?

[jilola]

Let me pick this apart from my perspective.

Firstly there was the form. The room was pitch black, but he could still "see" the dark patch where the entity resided.

The astral perception is not related to the usual light induced vision. You perceive what is there, not what reflects photons or whatever. What you see tends to be is not there but what you expect to see.

Secondly, it positioned itself over his chest and my friend was overcome with a feeling of disgust at the "rudeness" and unwelcome feeling associated with the intruder.

A couple of instances of unexpected sleep paralysis will put this into perspective. There is a sense of heaviness all over the body and perhaps the most sensitive area is the chest, it being related to immediate life sustaining activity (namely breathing.)

Thirdly, it seemed to dislike any positive influence. Light, happiness etc. And lastly, he wasn't the only person to encounter it that night, his mother had to come and help him fend it off.

The perception of adversion to the positive is a reflection of the perceiver's attempt to cast the experience into a positive mold(sp?)
The negative reaction is akin to the resistance of a round elastic object being forced into a square hole.

Taken all together I'd propose that the experience is one of being half (or quarter) woken up and finding oneself in a sleep paralysis from whence trying to reach a perceived safety which is manifested as the mother appearing and driving the evil away.

Your mileage may vary.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[EtheriK]

Taken all together I'd propose that the experience is one of being half (or quarter) woken up and finding oneself in a sleep paralysis from whence trying to reach a perceived safety which is manifested as the mother appearing and driving the evil away.

This argument appears to be valid save the fact that the mother was witness to the entity, not just her son in sleep paralysis.

[Sin Buddhata]

So what do you think we retain as individuality upon ascension, if any?

Have you ever cleared your mind of thought and just experienced sight, smell, sound, taste, and touch without the mind's inputs? That is the individual there: the being. Individuality is not about personality. It's about being one in thought, emotion, and action. As opposed to multiple entities using your mind, which is a tool and not the being itself, to direct your thoughts, emotions, and actions in various directions.

When you are conscious and aware you understand things intuitively. The Mind is a tool which serves to take that intuitive "language" and translate it into shapes, words, and concepts.

[Sin Buddhata]

Taken all together I'd propose that the experience is one of being half (or quarter) woken up and finding oneself in a sleep paralysis from whence trying to reach a perceived safety which is manifested as the mother appearing and driving the evil away.

This argument appears to be valid save the fact that the mother was witness to the entity, not just her son in sleep paralysis.

My first OBE was very similar to your friend's experience. I did not know it was an OBE at the time. I thought the fluidic shadow was a part of my imagination until the paralysis set in after this thing positioned itself over me. I tried to wipe it away with my hand to prove to myself that it was my imagination combined with the darkness of the room.

Now the paralysis did not set in until after it had hovered over me and I was going to attempt to swat at it to prove to myself that nothing was there. Before that time I was able to move. And not having any knowledge of astral projection or OBE at the time, thinking all of "that kind of thing" was imaginary and in people's heads, I actually thought it happened in this 10th sephira. I keep trying to punch the thing for about 20 seconds and once I was finally was able to move my hands and swung at it, it vanished. Because the transition from OBE to paralysis to waking was so fluid that I didn't know I had ever been out of body up until I starting investigating.

Now I am not convinced that everything in the astral is an intelligent entity. After I started making conscious attempts to project I have battled beings who I felt were actually intelligent compared to that first entity which seemed to be a form of wildlife or parasite... Or it could have been a subconscious mental projection. I say this because I was not afraid of it nor worried about it as it approached. I didn't think anything was really there. Therefore it would have had nothing to feed from.

I should also note that the first time I'd fought intelligent beings, I could still see them in the 10th sephira after I awoke. The entire time I didn't notice that they were trying to knock me down into my physical vessel. I was knocked down so often and got back up every time. So the last time I was knocked down I stood up once again, with greater ease than the other times, and didn't notice as I began to conjure the last two that remained that I was in the 10th sephira. It was suddenly so easy to move and they slowly backed off. Little did I know I was back in my vessel, but apparently my ajna was still active. I posted something online at that moment so that I could verify the next day that it wasn't an astral illusion of waking up.

I believe that we can intuitively understand which are real and which are mental projections when egos of fear aren't clouding our perception.

[EtheriK]

I think you and I are describing the same things, with different terminology. Just to clarify, what do you think differentiates one person from the other upon ascension? I've read of the stages you speak of elsewhere, but I can't remember where. I have another question. Have you ever tried to open up a line of communication with these negative entities? If so, what was the response?

[Sin Buddhata]

I think you and I are describing the same things, with different terminology. Just to clarify, what do you think differentiates one person from the other upon ascension? I've read of the stages you speak of elsewhere, but I can't remember where. I have another question. Have you ever tried to open up a line of communication with these negative entities? If so, what was the response?

What differentiates on person from another? I think you are misunderstanding the concept of Individuality and perhaps that is my fault. The Personalty; that is, your reactions to situations, people, places, and things for the positive or the negative. That has nothing to do with being an Individual. We have many selves that make up the illusion of our Persona. One mind. One body. One divine essence(your being or consciousness). Many persons(egos). The ego use our minds and because it is our mind, our tool, we experience the will of the ego and mistaken it for our own. This causes conflict. This is why a person can want to diet and can intellectually understand the need to diet and yet at the same time does not want to give up cookies or doesn't want to exercise. This is why people cannot stop all thought effortlessly. They aren't the only ones using it. Until those ego are eliminated no human can consider themselves, their personality, to be an individual. A loon individual does not have conflicts.

Personality. Again, your reactions to situations, people, places, and things for the positive or the negative.

Why would you ever desire to get angry for any reason? Anger doesn't feel good. Anger - toss that away.

Why would you ever desire to be envious of another? That is not a satisfying emotion. Envy - Toss it.

Why would you want to degrade a man or woman's worth down to a tool for your own personal animal gratifications? Lust - I can do without it.

What purpose does it serve to be lazy and unproductive? Sloth - I don't want it.

What will all the praise and wealth in the world do for me once I dye or it is taken from me by force? Howe much is ever enough? Greed- Toss it.

Why would I not want to have self control and temperance? Is addiction desirable. Gluttony - toss it

We all are who we are at this time. Each person has different circumstances in life. Why falsely glorify myself? Why would I want to degrade another human being when I have all the same flaws they do? Perfect people never better themselves. Pride - Toss it.

These seven traits are the foundation of all the personalities of nearly all the people in the world. Would a person without those traits lack personality?

What if instead those traits humanity currently manifests, people had other qualities like Humility, Generosity, Love, Kindness, Self control, Temperance, and Zeal. Could a being not possess those traits and a distinct personality?

I do not claim to be an expert of anything beyond this physical world.

Concerning negative entities:

I have not had many encounters with negative entities. I fought 3 simultaneously during my second conscious projection and haven't encountered any others since. We weren't doing to much talking and besides, I have no hearing or physical feeling in the astral. I intuitively know when I'm being touched in the astral and can understand" if force is being applied to me. I can hear and feel in normal unconscious dreams, but not when I project.  My throat and root chakra are either blocked, under active, or malfunctioning. Actually, they all are except for the brow, but the throat and root in particular. I've actually stopped projecting until I progress far enough in my psychological work which in turn should balance my chakra.

[EtheriK]

Yes, there does seem to be a lot of misconceptions as to each others understanding of consciousness. My definition of consciousness stems from the definition taken from the english dictionary, which is the totality in psychology of sensations, perceptions, ideas, attitudes, and feelings of which an individual or a group is aware at any given time or within a given time span <altered states of consciousness, such as sleep, dreaming and hypnosis>.

However if I could i'd like to discuss with you that further in private, as not to clutter this particular subject with something which this post is not targeted to. Another fleeting thought quickly before I go. If a negative entity can still regain purity, do you think theoretically that it's possible for that change to take place within the realms of a negatively impacting diversion from the path of ascension, ie. the darkness from whence they came, or would the transformation only be possible outside of that realm? I'd be leaning towards the latter. However, if that were so, then "sending them home" wouldn't necessarily be the best thing to do?

[Sin Buddhata]

Another fleeting thought quickly before I go. If a negative entity can still regain purity, do you think theoretically that it's possible for that change to take place within the realms of a negatively impacting diversion from the path of ascension, ie. the darkness from whence they came, or would the transformation only be possible outside of that realm? I'd be leaning towards the latter. However, if that were so, then "sending them home" wouldn't necessarily be the best thing to do?

If they were in "light" they wouldn't be "dark". They would be illuminated.

We are in darkness as we speak. Not at the depths of the ocean, but near the top of the ocean were we can pick up a few glints of light penetrating the water. Some people are closer to the surface than others. Through falling asleep in meditation we can emerge temporarily out of the water and into the sunshine. That would be what is referred to as the Casual plane. If you can manage to get there you will find what it is like to exist without the ego.

A negative entity/demon would have to achieve godhead the same way we would.

1.) Repentance, the acknowledgment of the fault.
2.) Incarnation through the mineral, plant, beast, and finally, human kingdoms once again.
3.) And true spiritual work on oneself.

Believing in any doctrine won't save anyone. Belief cannot transform lead into gold.

Convincing yourself that each life is some kind of lesson and that you will someday "graduate" automatically is wishful thinking. How can you learn or consciously do anything making the same mistakes life after life as a puppet to the egos?

Simply meditating all your life won't help. Nirvana will forever be a temporary fix.

Waiting for spiritual aliens to come and fix everybody in 2012 is a dream. No one can do anyone's work for them because it is an internal work on oneself.

Waiting for the Earth to magically ascend in 2012 and take everyone with it I a pipe dream. No planet can do anyone's work for them.

Working on the etheric body to build up energy levels won't  lead to ascension. The etheric body dies right along with the physical body if not right before physical death.

[EtheriK]

Thanks for your thoughts. But basically for an entity to be without light completely, there's no possible way for them to achieve Godhead. So hypothetically for those who practice exorcisms and cast spirits down into lower realms of existence, that's not necessarily the best thing to do. What are your thoughts?

[Sin Buddhata]

Assuming exorcisms did happen I wouldn't know what happens to the entity that is cast out. If they were sent to a place were they couldn't hurt people that would be great. Maybe they could take the time to reflect on how pitiful they are.

I'm not in the business of helping anything that takes pleasure in my pain. I hear it is very rare for one of them to change and there is really nothing you or I can do to change their minds. They would have to realize their own situation and want to make a change for the better.

[1tachyonsign]

I think negs are capable of evolving like we are, the one that's been around me for many years now, has evolved with it's attacks.  The attacks are purely energy attacks, like that of a child wanting attention.  Do you notice the people everyday in the physical world doing the same kinds of energy attacks?  Almost all of them are totally unaware they are attacking you.  And how long was it before you noticed you were doing it too?  Or do you ever catch yourself doing it?  All negs know, is there is something they need- energy.  I think that most negs have never been human or are lower forms of energy evolving, like animals for instance.  I also think that their evolution and ours are important for both of us, as much as I hate to say that.  I wonder if we started where they are at, and are now only aware.