Astral Projection Defense

[markulous]

Hello all.  I had a question about OBE's.  Well I practice Kung Fu and my teacher has had at least one(that he has told me about) successful OBE and warned me to be a little cautious when I do it because something could possess me.  I asked him how he knew and he said HIS master told him and gave him that warning.  And his master could supposedly do all these different things with his Chi and what not.  Which I don't believe my teacher would lie.

However I just finished reading Astral Dynamics and Robert Bruce explains how your body is just as safe as when you are awake.  I told my teacher that and he said he disagreed.  He said it is your soul you project and made an analogy to that of a person in a coma.  So it's not that I don't trust my teacher but I am getting conflicting information(and maybe he is misinformed).

So what is the truth?  I am not afraid of it happening but I just want to know the truth.

[Rastus]

You are working in a realm where thoughts=reality.  Both are correct.  If you think you can get possesed then you can.  You will find a way to make it happen.  If you think you are perfectly safe, then you are perfectly safe.  If you fear NEG's, then you will attract them.  If you have Love in your heart, then you will attract Love.  Like attracts Like.

[markulous]

Thank you.  That makes me feel better.  Ever since my chi "came together" I don't have any hate.  And even people that have wronged me I love in a way because I am just as capable of doing the same thing I have made mistakes as well.  So I don't think I will attract anything bad.

[Chimerae]

You are working in a realm where thoughts=reality.  Both are correct.  If you think you can get possesed then you can.  You will find a way to make it happen.  If you think you are perfectly safe, then you are perfectly safe.  If you fear NEG's, then you will attract them.  If you have Love in your heart, then you will attract Love.  Like attracts Like.

A small qualifier to the qualifier:

One "catch" here that sometimes trips people up is that "thoughts=reality" very much includes thoughts we don't even know we have.  

So, people who grew up through certain kinds of belief systems that they wisely rejected even as children have those thought patterns written somewhere hidden within and thus available to bend the shape astral reality.    There are a number of other ways that can happen, all pretty much idiosyncratic.

Then fear attracts negs and the negs are hard to deal with because you don't have real access to yourself.

So, it's an indicator and a doorway in to greater personal clarity.

[daem0n]

it sounds like your teacher separated his astral body from the form
in bruce's techniques you create an energy double, which then travels, while your astral body is still in your form
when you are empty, there is risk, but when you create a double, nothing can posses you
except for usual means, but they work regardless if you are projecting or not  
ha ha ha

[laiana]

it sounds like your teacher separated his astral body from the form
in bruce's techniques you create an energy double, which then travels, while your astral body is still in your form
when you are empty, there is risk, but when you create a double, nothing can posses you
except for usual means, but they work regardless if you are projecting or not  
ha ha ha

But I thought that the idea is that you never actually leave your body, what happens is that you just shift your awareness to another consciousness, but it FEELS like you've left your body (no matter what technique you use)

[daem0n]

it is described in bardon's initiation into hermetics, near the end of the book
http://lqairah.tripod.com/ from here
also spectral dragon posted about it quite recently, check his posts