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Title: Possesed
Post by: brucelee on September 09, 2005, 21:03:28
Hello,
I think im possed. All of a sudden i changed like 2-3 years ago. My awareness was decreased alot. And im always tired no matter how much sleep i have. It feels like i havnt slept the whole night. I cant think straight at all most the time. There has been 5 nights when ive woke everybody up within my house because i was shouting in my sleep but when theyve woke me up i dunno wats going on. There was this one dream that sticks out in my head. Let me explain the dream: I was at a paarty, started dancing with a girl. A black boy comes up to me without touching me i move with some sort of force he had away from the girl and then he started dancing with the girl. I try hitting him but there was some sort of protectionf ield around him. Then he sways his hand then i went flying into the wall. Then he says ''U will neva get rid of me!''

I dunno what to do guys can u give me som advice please.

Thank u very much!
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on September 10, 2005, 08:57:04
I have a feeling with the new movie "The Exorcism Of Emily Rose",  there are going to be alot more ppl thinking they are possessed....

My opinion is.....you are NOT possessed.   So, does that upset you or give you relief when I say that?

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: IequalMC2 on September 10, 2005, 10:49:02
I agree with that.

I'd feel relived and I'd sort of feel released from what was ever terrorising me. That's if someone said that to me...

But I'd still be apprehensive, and I would maintain my state of mind and thinking, just nothing would have changed to a more pleasant way of viewing nothing. Whereas before I was viewing a terrifying side of nothing.    

BruceLee, Kung Fu? I know the Demon that troubles you. It's henceforth nothing
Look at me its gone, now nothing, you'd no longer need to worry yourself over nothing.

Bruce Lee is free, he came to america for me.

Just as above has said.
Title: Possesed
Post by: brucelee on September 10, 2005, 13:07:47
look guys i kno wat u mean. Jus coz i put my name as bruce lee doesnt mean i want dat crap to happen to me jus like in his movies. Im being honest which is why i came here for help. I am being serious i aint no freak that wants to be the girl from the exorcist. And i kno som people will say things like i said in the first post and they believe jus so they can feel 'special'. Well my case is different which is y i am asking if this crap is possible. I thought i would get som helpful replies but obviously u guys tink im som sxorcist freak.

All im asking is there any sort of excercises or techniques som1 can reccommend me? I dont want ppl pointning at me and saying u are being like this, u want 2 be that girl from the excorcist. I jus want to be mature about this ok. This is nothing like the demons from a bruce lee movie for ur information. Man pls all im asking for is advice.  :!:
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on September 10, 2005, 21:03:32
I gave my advise and that was you weren't possessed.  So why look for techniques when you need none?

It sounds like a very typical dream to me, not an indication that you are possessed.

Iequal: you really aren't making a whole lot of sense in most of your posts.  Could you perhaps refrain or think about it before you post again?  And please don't go jumping down my throat about it, but if you must...... PM me. ;)

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: brucelee on September 10, 2005, 21:22:42
hmmm... im thinkin mabey im not the one thats possessed in this thread. Let me ask u 1 question. Are u mentally ill? Cause u sound like the type of guy or shud i say guys that are suffering from some type of mental distortions. Som nice ppl have pmed me with suggestions but u guys are making these forums look bad. Mabey u shud think b4 u post aswell, think b4 u press the submit button is ur post going to actully help som1 or are u going 2 make urself seem stupid. If it is the latter then well done u hav achieved ur aims and goals. I have not done anything 2 u and yet u com at me with stupid comments. And i dont understand how u can com out with comments when u have neva met me nor do u kno me.  I dont wish 4 anything bad 2 happen 2 any1, but i hope u will one day feel wat i am feeling then u com 2 the forums and som1 starts attacking u. We will see how u feel. Well seein as u guys a crazy im wastin my time rite now. Anyways i kno it wasnt a waste of time posting on these forums coz somtimes wen u need 2 get thro to gud ppl u hav 2 go thro the bad.
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on September 10, 2005, 21:49:00
Brucelee, Nay and Iequalmc2 are not bad people.
You are grossly overreacting. It was not in my thoughts that they were attempting to insult you, although what they said was a little unnecessary, they gave you an opinion.
Telling people they have mental disorders is not funny. I know at least one person with one, and it is in fact very saddening.

I also do not think that they were making themselves look stupid.. maybe to you.

I know this has happend to some people, and pheraps it is happening to you, although like you said I dont really know your situation fully. But once somebody starts to really 'think' they are possessed, they start acting like it. For instance, if during the day you remember you have not eaten since breakfast, you start to feel hungry, but if you don't remember  than you probably won't feel very hungry... Mind over Matter.


I personally don't know much about this kind of stuff, so I have no advice or opinion on your situation. Although Nay is right when she says that is a typical kind of dream, I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with anybody.
You asked for their opinion, and they gave it to you. They said you are not possessed in their opinion. Now relax and take a deep breath.
If you don't like what someone has posted, it is better to ignore it than to start an argument.

That is what good people do on good forums.

I'm glad people who DO think you are possessed PM'd you. Would you mind passing on some of that information here? I'm interested to know what they said, cause i dont know much about possession.
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on September 11, 2005, 08:59:36
This is a prime example of when someone WANTS something to be wrong, different, bazaar or wants to be the victim.  I'm not saying this to point fingers or laugh at you, this is a serious problem with kids these days.

Even though I gave a positive outlook you demand that you are given techniques and whatnots and then go on to rip me a new one..lol.  That is why I asked you in my first post, how that made you feel.  It's quite obvious now isn't it?(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/duel.gif)  Hehe, you came out swinging..

I suggest that instead of surrounding youself with techniques and garlic, how bout buying a book on angels or butterflies?  OK, that is an extreme example, but you get what I mean...I hope.

I'll be thinking positive fuzzy bunny thoughts for ya.  (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/hb.gif)

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on September 11, 2005, 11:11:15
I don't think he'll admit it.

I myself, pretty recently in the past always wanted to 'be the victim' or to be special in that way. For someone to think that they are surrounded by these 'mystical surroundings' is a wonderous thought. To be that main character in that book where he saves the kingdom. A little exageration there, but is on track.

Obviously, brucelee was looking for one anwser, and one anwser alone, and because we gave him the one he didn't like, he attacked.

Brucelee, next time, tell us the anwser you want, and the people who agree with you can post, but to give us a totally innocent question, and than attack the people who give you their advice just aint cool.
Sorry to sound sort of harsh but I thought it should be said.


P.S. Nay, you have GOT to tell me how you get those smilies!!!!  :D
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on September 11, 2005, 19:22:23
my oh my what a warm, helpful group this has turned out to be. really sad.
i could go on, but it really isn't worth the energy. shame on you guys. you should know better. if you can't find the energy to take a moment and say something constructive...&/or share any first hand knowledge that might be of benefit...why do you even waste your time?!? and don't bother telling me those posts were constructive. certain people at this forum never cease to amaze me in the negative.

dear brucelee, there are other forums that are much more supportive, with experienced practitioners that can actually look into your situation and give you an idea of what's going on and how to deal with it. some that specialize in depossession as well. i will PM you since it is obvious that thread will be going nowhere except down that slippery, slimy ladder into the dark annals of manipulative uselessness.

beware
333

ps.........smiles @ http://www.mysmilie.de/english/green/smilies/kaos/
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on September 11, 2005, 20:42:54
He asked for an opinion and he got one.

A totally unnecessary joke was made about his name, but he still got an anwser to his question.  If next time he does not want the anwser 'i dont think you are possessed' than dont let that be an option.

P.S. thanks for the smilies!
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on September 12, 2005, 07:20:03
Hi Orion,

Here's the link to the smilies I used. http://www.clicksmilies.com/

Souljah,

Hahaha..no offense, but you are the queen of possession!  Shame on you for riding down that road for soooooooooooo long.  Of course feel free to feed Bruce's wrong turn.. *sigh*

See ya on the otherside..pffht. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/gost.gif)

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: Circe on September 12, 2005, 08:26:16
Robert Bruce's site is here: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/index.php

Good Luck.
Title: Possesed
Post by: IequalMC2 on September 12, 2005, 12:37:40
Beware 333 right back at you!

ADDED 4 U 2 HEAR- Arsonists-Blaze
ADDED 4 U 2 HEAR Aswell and this goes out to that indirect reversed attack.

http://www.wutangcorp.com/showthread.php?p=162597#post162597


QUOTE
"my oh my what a warm, helpful group this has turned out to be. really sad.
i could go on, but it really isn't worth the energy. shame on you guys. you should know better. if you can't find the energy to take a moment and say something constructive...&/or share any first hand knowledge that might be of benefit...why do you even waste your time?!? and don't bother telling me those posts were constructive. certain people at this forum never cease to amaze me in the negative.

dear brucelee, there are other forums that are much more supportive, with experienced practitioners that can actually look into your situation and give you an idea of what's going on and how to deal with it. some that specialize in depossession as well. i will PM you since it is obvious that thread will be going nowhere except down that slippery, slimy ladder into the dark annals of manipulative uselessness.

beware
333

ps.........smiles @ http://www.mysmilie.de/english/green/smilies/kaos/"

END QUOTE

Tell me then, 333, that no longer scares me.

Who was the Deaf Dum Paralytic that was possessed by The Most horrific demonic possession available, ever record who freed themselves yesterday?

Who was the Death Dum Paralytic that had to heal themselves?(of course with everyone's help) Who was battling with the Demon/Snake, that displays illusion of being thrown into Hell, it is terrifying I tell you 333?

Who Decoded Real Invisible America, Matrix style and plotted its geographical Etheric locations yesterday?

Tell Me 333.

Nothing is Classified in America anymore 333.

Tell me who gives the son of man permission, 333?

Who is the one saying nothing here 333?

If you won't treat me nice, unmanifest from my presence. I'm just trying to help in my own way and you int making it pleasant.

Your reflecting so hopefully you'll be ok, depends what you believe. Lets overcome Karma, You pressing the 333 button?    
Title: Possesed
Post by: Circe on September 12, 2005, 15:20:35
I'll say again, if you want real help or answers go to Robert Bruce's site which can be found here: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/index.php

You're not going to find anyone with Robert's experience here.
Title: Possesed
Post by: IequalMC2 on September 12, 2005, 17:17:14
Souljah333

Did I even refer to her???

Please read this it will explain.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20462

That was a preemptive reflection, I felt threaten by how you communicated with me you probably feel the same, I never attack but if for some odd reason my intuition indicates that I should like Abraham ready to sacrifice I will. You have to understand, I've been told to trust no one, and I was preparing myself for spiritual death again, and I'm still here singing for all of you!    

I felt threatened by the number 33 and I knew that that's the number you use, I figured you knew that number frightens me, I've made it clear enough, if I'm scared of something I'll face it head on (my dad actually was in the SAS) decode that! Still I found your words very threatening, so that tune as always goes out to nothing and reflects nothing.  

Thank you Souljah and I really do mean it, thankyou for teaching me that people might, take offence to my screen name, and you BruceLee, I want to thank you to, and I want to apologize that it took me so long to decode such a simple matter, but I have had quite a hectic day again, although that is no excuse.    

Interesting idea I've got loads I can add to it, but ultimately I'm not attacking anyone, I'm teaching myself and you and anyone else. In my opinion Brucelee isn't possessed, if you want to send him off and mess his mind up, then I can't stop any of you, I am but a fool nobody listens to, everyone knows that.  

So I just gave you and myself some light to decode for whatever reason god allowed me freewill for, basically in my reality the words in them songs are talking to me and  you and anyone else (iequalmc2), quicker then writing it down, and if you can decode i.e. Reflect (empathize with nothing) its one of the most joyful experiences available. If not you'll just hear a song like any old normal song, not like it was originally, live in the Real-Time.

previously I went into decode mode, I'd already backed myself up without knowing, and yes I've been on that other site, Battling MC's reflecting MC's who have been rhyming all there lives who's words/swords cut my chakras and all sorts I was lead there I never used to rhyme or listen to hip-hop, I decode there words, and reflect them, in a way that always helps them question themselves consciously or unconsciously, singings playing and rhyming is good for my mental energy and is not a weapon, Repeat NOT A WEAPON.        

Music is quite beautiful (Big Ears And Ugly Teeth 'silent R' beautiful) Silent R and I is remembered by the mind, the flashcards, memorize the full, and then the word is remembered, that how I as a dyslexic was taught to remember beautiful.  

I only manifest, what my intuition tells me to.

And could someone tell me if AP is down or if I've been mistakenly kicked again?

You'll have to look at AP's psychic defense section to know what I'm on about. Blessings all    

ADDED Explantion Hear, Tupac: Thug Mansion (Acoustic F. Nas)
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on September 13, 2005, 00:46:03
again...amazing.
where do i start? should i even bother??
this entire post has gone into a tail spin.


orionsdream: what was being requested was advice, not opinion...there is a difference. there is a tendency to jump on posts here, where i feel people may be bored/looking to contribute, and throw out one of the typical responses, without "feeling" what is needed. attacks range from complete, full-on possession (legitimized by the vatican and all) all the way to drug induced psychosis and those more in need of attention & love than anything else. one time attacks, short term, and yes long term...that leads to endearing titles such as Queen of Possession, and then there are personalities and emotional levels...that all determine how each situation be approached and handled...but of course that's only if one is truly interested in being of service to another, and not just posting for the hell of it.

as for making fun of the name bruce lee...i'm not going to bother with that one.

nay: :roll:

Circe: nothing to say except that there is one person here that has just as much experience as robert bruce when it comes to attack and psychic self-defense. thirty years makes me more qualified than most to comment.

and dear IequalMC2: i'm not sure what to say?!? how to code it correctly. i have to be honest and say i'm a little confused. you look at me and say a lot more than nothing...whatever did i do to offend u? 3's??? i missed your post...the one you gave a link to in "protecting yourself from your past"...i just read it and it was very enjoyable. i sense you are in a deep state of discomfort, and i'm sorry...and i hope you the best in sorting things out slowly and methodically. i would encourage you to move slowly as well when it comes to sensing who you can trust, who you can't, and who couldn't care less. seems that function might be somewhat reversed from what i've seen. hope it helped to get all that off your chest whatever it was that was suffocating you. ps...i never stopped treating you nice!!!
the mirror reflects the opposite.

333
Title: Possesed
Post by: IequalMC2 on September 13, 2005, 05:32:09
Thank you again.

Bring on the judgments; I'm learning to like it.

Most of you are obsessed/possessed (mainly the masses) by and on nothing, Deaf and Dumb, like I said while decoding my possession, which is the worst Diabolical possession case ever recorded, which Jesus helped me with (Iequalmc2), you've all been DUM STRUCK, but your all ok now.

The Disciples have had 2000 years to cure me themselves and everyone else, 'nothing' was allowed to roam about and do whatever it wanted in this time. Because I love my enemy, and because I empathize and feel sympathy for nothing I got the worst end of this.  

I've just been cured, after 2000 years, many incarnations.  

If you ever delete any of my posts please PM me and tell me. I decode light differently from all of you, when you do things like that things like this happen to me, you indirectly attack me.  

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20532

!I AM INNOCENT OF ALL THOUGHT CRIMES AGAIST ME!
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on September 13, 2005, 07:15:41
Geez Souljah..... I wasn't being rude.  You are the Queen of possession..well, at least the Queen of PSD.

A great deal of your post consist of the shall we say, the darker side of things.  You yourself have boasted on your knowledge of such things.  I am curious but not surprised by your last action.  

You should be proud of what you stand for not defensive.

If you were a great cook I'm thinking you wouldn't get all ticked off by a title like, Queen of the cooks, that is unless your not such a great cook after all...hmmm.  (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-002.gif)

Ieq+..whatever..hey, decode this....(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-081.gif)

Devil made me do it.

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: IequalMC2 on September 13, 2005, 07:24:37
ADDED DECODEABLE TUNES- remember un-judgeable!  

These Vibrations are not Weapons, neither have they ever been!

Here is an example of tricknowlege only listen and tune into these two tunes if you have a strong mind. I am communicating Oazaki the Zhedi Mind Trick. I've been attacking myself with these tunes, 101 of them while swimming in there thought in order to reverse the trick, which can only be communicated like this, You'll only understand

Jedi Mind Tricks- Ultimate Episode
Weird Al Yankovic- Star Wars American Pie Parody, The Saga Begins  

Don't get caught in the music, hear it and don't even form an opinion, don't look for too long, don't get caught in the void!  

Deltron3030- Virus

Goldie Looking Chain- The Alchemist
Goldie Looking Chain- Thur Space and Time
Goldie Looking Chain- Half Man Half Machine
Goldie Looking Chian- Superhero
Goldie Looking Chain- Guns Don't kill People Rappers Do

Bonzo Dog Doo Daa Band- The Urban Spacemen
Title: Possesed
Post by: IequalMC2 on September 13, 2005, 08:23:14
"Ieq+..whatever..hey, decode this...."

(=Nice-butt=)
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on September 13, 2005, 08:29:43
your right. too much work to do to bother defending myself. maybe i was the one that jumped in too soon?!? i must be clear again with the idea that i work with both the light and the dark, with integration. integrating, weaving, patterns, waxing and waining. one foot in both realms and deciphering crap as best i can. i'm no different than anyone else...i just can't afford to get trapped in either spot.
for me, there are people to work with on both sides (for helping to expand minds). most people think that only people who dabble in darkness have problems, and this is where many people "begin" to misunderstand me...the katrina victims are a good example of exactly what i mean about people in the "light" getting struck. they aim for something far off and lofty, they work to maintain their positions and dream hard of moving up, but they can miss the basics, the fundamentals...and when the excrement hits the fan...they wind up in very dark places because a lot of what they place value on, and build themselves up to be is exterior...when they lose that they are just as much in the darkness as those who don't try at all. it's important to me that people keep it real (whatever that means) = i guess remain as grounded as possible...but i'm explaining myself again, which is just as bad as defending myself and anyway...

i give!

i have no idea what's going on here...really.
and as for codemaster i can't handle people that use their energy to make things more confusing than they already are and them blame me for not being able to relate. gotta meet some beings half way.

love/light/warm fuzzy bunnies and all that
soul
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on September 13, 2005, 17:01:54
QuoteI dunno what to do guys can u give me som advice please.

*grumble* your right souljah, sorry!  :?  :)
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on September 14, 2005, 08:22:40
no need to apologize to me. i've been guilty of the same.

the self-defense area is tricky. so many emotions, so many ideas, such a lack of energy most of the time, and focus. the only thing you can really work with is your intuition/your heart. as long as your speaking from your heart center...there's no need to be sorry. nothing wrong with tough-love, but sometimes this forum can have a gang-mentality, and be sarcastic and trite with sensitive issues...and we need to keep each other in check bcuz we function so much better "above" that.

i myself am growing a little tired of coddling, and giving into that idea that i should be gathering information, or doing remote work to help those that aren't helping themselves...sometimes the best thing i can do is not respond to certain posts. sometimes the worst thing i can do is give advice.

all in all no harm done. i thought it was very interesting that bruce lee wrote and said the whole thing was worth while, bcuz it led him somewhere more productive that he probably wouldn't have wound up otherwise. so it all comes out in the wash! :wink:

peace
333
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on September 14, 2005, 09:05:04
The problem I have is when someone says they've been attacked over and over again.

I've had my share of the darkness and the minute I confronted it and said no more, that was it.  Why do some people seem to never get past it??  Because they don't want to.. they are comsumed by it.  And I think some might need to look into some mental issues.

Quoteall in all no harm done. i thought it was very interesting that bruce lee wrote and said the whole thing was worth while, bcuz it led him somewhere more productive that he probably wouldn't have wound up otherwise. so it all comes out in the wash!
If you are referring to him running over to Astral Dynamics...hehe, good for him.  Interesting enough, Robert's take on long term attacks meshed with mine until he opened his own site.. :roll:  Nothing like standing by what you believe in..oh, until you need people to come to your site, then toss it all away.

I've said this only because there a several of you whom are having the wool pulled right over your little eyes.  And I for one refuse to let someone keep right on believing that they are possessed, being abducted, or being constantly attacked by negatives.

Perhaps we should say that this site is for people whom believe they control their own lives and Robert's site is for those whom do not want to take control of their lives, but have people coddle and tell them that they are really possessed and being attacked by monsters. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-010.gif)
Title: Possesed
Post by: mactombs on September 14, 2005, 12:54:37
QuoteI've said this only because there a several of you whom are having the wool pulled right over your little eyes. And I for one refuse to let someone keep right on believing that they are possessed, being abducted, or being constantly attacked by negatives.

It's true. The other night, I woke up to paralyzation. All the lights and my computer monitor were flickering on and off, and then my roommate materialized with a look on his face like he was going to kill me. I tried yelling at him, but my face felt like it had been pumped full of Novocaine.

Right after that I fell asleep, then again I woke to paralyzation - only this time I was in some sort of spacecraft. I was staring ahead at a type of view-screen, completely black with metallic trim. Then I realized I was just looking at my LCD TV, and the rest of the room turned back to normal.

These types of things, including negs, are subjective creations - we're afraid, so our imaginations create something to go along with the emotion.

There's nothing wrong with being imaginative, until you let it get out of control.
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on September 14, 2005, 14:59:28
I agree with ya on this one..

I'm not saying this is brucelee's case at all, but many ppl do 'want' to feel like they are possessed or special, so lots of the ppl who say they are possesed really have it all in their heads...
but than there are those who do not...
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on September 16, 2005, 10:52:32
in response to nay:

i can relate to your concern. there is somewhat of an epidemic when it comes to people "hooked" on drama, and manifesting an environment that's conducive to that addiction. there are usually some deep seeded issues that need to be addressed...although i never suggest psychiatrists as a serious option.

QuoteI've had my share of the darkness and the minute I confronted it and said no more, that was it. Why do some people seem to never get past it?? Because they don't want to.. they are consumed by it.

as reformed smokers can be the most judgmental and harsh, so too w/ those that have been attacked at one time or another and are "better" now. they forget how bad it was, how terrifying and confusing it can be. not all situations are the same. not everyone has what these so called "neg's" are after...i'm not sure if that's good or bad?!? maybe y'all are just empty???  :wink:

personally for me it's very different from most (bcuz i know you don't truly understand where i'm coming from) there is no FEAR in my situation.
the above concern you have can be equated to some dark and dangerous ghetto. "good/healthy" people don't cross the tracks and go into that part of town. if they find themselves there by accident...they simply turn around and leave...and any intelligent person is going to question why in the hell anyone would "choose" to live there.
in this respect i guess i could be thought of as a "red beret". there are a LOT of people who need some help getting out (whether they ended up there voluntarily or against their will)(some don't even realize they're there). i also work a diplomatic role and do a lot of "hostage" exchange and negotiation..but that's another thread.

i do what i can, but i think we share the same feelings when it comes to that "entrenched" addiction. i'm not going to waste my energy helping those that i know don't want to leave, nor am i going to carry someone out who is completely capable of walking out themselves. i will try to keep tabs on them and let some light in where i can, bcuz there's always hope, and things always change, but i am getting quite sick of "victimization" across the board, astrally, emotionally, physically, mentality, etc. there's too much work to do...to sit around and listen to someone "talk" about their misery. people need to start grabbing hold of their power.
still, i will ALWAYS lean towards the idea that those that survive the long term attacks (who live in the ghetto long enough)(whether self inflicted or genuine) still end up being the strongest of all...once they come out the other end.

those that WORK their way through the ENTIRE gauntlet being far more flexible, resourceful, and fit to wield the full spectrum of their powers. notice i said "work".

as for actual "help" with attacks...i don't think either AP or AD is of any use at all whatsoever. just being honest. the mod signature at AD should be a mandatory, "have you bought the book?" then they could spend more time sharing personal experience in PSD...or maybe like here they don't have much to offer :wink:
:twisted:
soul
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on September 16, 2005, 18:50:40
Ya well I think this topic has crashed, been hit by a chemical flamethrower bomb, and crashed some more...

would any moderator mind lockin it?

No offense to any1 who posted on it,... I just think that its sorta gone no where with the first topic..
Title: Possesed
Post by: PissedOffMystic on October 06, 2005, 08:22:32
Heh, where to begin. This may be a little late in the game for a post, but Nay's blatant vacuous thinking has spurred me into replying here.

"The problem I have is when someone says they've been attacked over and over again.

I've had my share of the darkness and the minute I confronted it and said no more, that was it. Why do some people seem to never get past it?? Because they don't want to."

What are you attempting to say here? That if you merely face a demon and tell it to go away, that it shall? I think, perhaps, you've never met a demon. Otherwise you would realize what you are saying is pure bullocks. Foolish nonsense.

A demon is a very real thing. It's not a part of your psyche. It's not a dark part of one's imagination. And if you are honestly being attacked by a demon, pretending everything is simply alright is laughable. If you are standing in the way of an oncoming bus, does smiling and saying "All is alright! Peace and joy and the Almighty be with me!" do a damn thing? Of course not. You will be crushed by that bus unless you get the hell out of the way.

You, Nay, are clearly ignorant to objective reality. We simply do not create our own realities, as much as you would like to believe so. Some things will kill us, crush us, burn us, and otherwise do us harm not matter how positive our outlook is. Ask a cancer victim.

An actual demon can plague a person for years, disrupt every aspect of their being if not actually kill them, and is extremely difficult to get rid of. It takes either years of honed specialized spiritual skills, or the assistance of someone who has these skills.

So, next time you think you know what the hell you are talking about, keep your ignorant mouth shut.

Hope that edifies you.
Title: Possesed
Post by: vsskye on October 06, 2005, 10:24:49
It sounds a lil like you may be depressed?  Have you tried going to a dr?  Has your weight changed at all in past 2-3 years substantially?
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 11:02:01
Wow...I wouldn't say depressed, I'd say a bored child looking to have a temper tantrum.  Rant away my child.  

It seems once again my opinion has cut to the core.  Hmmmmmm...

Well, lets just say I don't agree with one thing you just said ticked, I stand by my earlier posts.  Even though you never say, I'm going to assume that you've had some "long term" problems?  I'm only assuming because you have taken the stance that you are quite knowledgeable and your opinion is the shiznits.

So, can I also assume that your verbal attack is due to the fact that you are unwilling to admit that these "long term" attacks could be caused by you, yourself alone?  That just sucks doesn't it, not being able to blame someone or something else for your problems..nothing like having to take responsiblity for your own actions.

I don't know you from Adam and do believe for you to get this upset is definately a indication that something hit home.  

"ignorant mouth shut"  my god but that is calling the kettle black.  But not to worry, I'll just think happy thoughts and thee shall go away...(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/leb.gif)  Well, now you won't because I just said that.. and you just love to prove people wrong, don't you? ;)

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 06, 2005, 13:03:21
nay is rubber...she is the epitome of water off a ducks back. i've been here a while and i have yet to see her get roused about 'anything', which is just as strange as some of the folk here that get roused about 'everything'.  :? one thing i do have to say is you (nay) are not very skilled at "defusing situations"...you're like the chick that thinks it fun to bring a super-soaker full of jet fuel to the bon-fire. i mean as far as being a mod is concerned...there is something  :twisted:  about your energy.  

i am curious (and this is addressed to nay in particular)...what your specialty here is? what you would consider yourself experienced in? ap? obe's? magic? general spirituality? it's definitely not PSD that's fer sure.
but seriously...what would you say you bring to the table?

and for vsskye?!? i um...well, asking POM if he's depressed & sought help...that's like wanting to take a doctors temperature, because he's hungry. basically it's not relevant to the situation. way past all that, but i'll let him speak for himself. just a word of warning that of course in way 'needs' to be heeded...but when you enter this area without any first hand experience, and start tossing out solutions and antidotes...be prepared for attack. it's only fair y'all get a sample of what you're interested in.

peace soul
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 13:47:05
All the people whom are into PSD, goblins, aliens, demons..etc., at one time or another have the same comment about my energy.   I think the light burns ya'lls skin. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/adr.gif) hehe... once again, sorry couldn't resist.

It's so funny too that when all else fails, everyone is interested in my abilities.  I'm not like most people whom come on here and toot their own horn and brag about their abilities.. ya know what I mean, Souljah?  

I will say that I do and have just about experienced everything there is...ok, not shooting a ki-ball out my arse, nor have I ever met a blood sucking vampire, or werewolf for that matter and of course I've never been possessed. :roll:  But since a very small child I've dealt with not only the astral but real physical trials.  And yes I can project at will, even more so now that I've quit smoking...gotta love that. :D   Just because I don't throw up my ablities at every turn to boost my comments, does not mean I don't have them.

As being a mod here, I do what a mod does and that is edit, move threads when need be, ban the goofballs..etc.   Just because I'm a mod does not mean I have to share every little detail of my life when something goes bump in the night, or I have a reunion with a loved in the astral.   You might take that as being stuck up, I call it being private, sorry.  

And Souljah, why in the world do you constantly jump on the attack Nay bandwagon?  Funny isn't?  My light draws all types to me, some get the bug zapper effect and the others enjoy it.  I think James enjoys it..(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/ura.gif)  :lol:  Maybe it's because he's never been possessed either.

You both should try the rubber thing...it's a pretty good deal.  You can get the same high from it that you can from being attacked all the time. :wink:

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 06, 2005, 13:57:52
again...misinterpreted. np.
wasn't "attacking" you.

i miss the lily tomlin quote
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 15:27:35
You weren't attacking me?  Mmmkay, you wouldn't be tinkling on my leg and telling me it's raining would you?  

It does seem that you portray  not only to be an expert at PSD, but me as well, and at ever opportunity you express that so called knowledge to others like I'm someone to stand clear of..  You also give your two cents before it is even asked for.. what's up with that?

Pissedoff seems to have some kinda beef with me, that would be me...not you, not the guy whom started this thread, not another mod, me.  Yet you felt the need to jump in with your comments about how I like to add fuel to the fire.  Whom is adding fuel to what fire?  I suppose that is why I felt attacked.

Going on three years I've been at the Astral Pulse and I can't help but notice that some remind me of others in the past that did the same thing, not saying you are one of those same people, not saying you're not either..lol.  just noticing how things really don't change.  Kinda sad actually.

By all means if you people think you are being attacked then fine, be attacked.  I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be that way, it's not like I'm trying to take away your candy for goodness sakes or hell, maybe you feel I am.   Most people come here and ask for help, they are given advise then don't want to take it because they don't want it to be gone.  Ugh...I'm repeating myself... we can go over this and over this but unless people want to change, they won't.

But don't be going off on me because my opinion rings a bit true.....(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/wht.gif)

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 06, 2005, 15:53:20
man...it was suppose to endearing, the thing about the super soaker :roll: guess you're on the defense and missed "my" humor!?! i'd say something about dishing it out, and not being able to take it, but with the mood yer in...i'm not sure you'd think it was funny also.

you are never short of wise-cracks, puns, rolling eye icons, and other little slights...it's just an observation.
like you said some things never change.

as for asking what your niche was. i was serious. maybe i'm at fault for not skulking around behind your every post, but i've seen a lot of two-bit, poke-fun-at-the-miserable type comments, but haven't seen much in the way of personal sharing. i notice stuff like that. i'm into functions. just want to know first hand from the horse's mouth what your function was in particular (from what i've read...honestly...it's a difficult one to figure out).

no you don't have to bare your soul here (of all places), but i welcome those who do. i welcome that depth of character. you don't have to always be serious, but sometimes people need more than a smiley to help them gain insight. i don't know. you know me...nothing personal. like i said i wasn't attacking, nor did i feel attacked. as far as i know this still an open forum and myself & POM have a right to comment on whatever is put up for discussion. if you're above it all...you wouldn't respond.

and yes i do consider myself to be an expert in PSD, just as much as robert (aamof). still i use the word 'expert' lightly, since believe it or not my ego isn't as out of control as you believe it to be. i wasn't jumping on POM's wagon with torch in hand, but you see what you want to see.

if i remember correctly...the last piece of advice you were so willing to share with me personally (with RL on your little wagon) was to leave this forum!

QuotePlease take Runlola's suggestion and move on. Let's see how good you are at taking a hint when it is presented in a matter of a fact way.

Nay

'nough said.
333
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on October 06, 2005, 15:58:23
Sheeeesh you guys!!

here's bright idea!  :idea:  :idea:  :idea:  :idea:

forget it and move on!  :!:  sounds stange doesnt it?

just accept that u two r like totally different and differ on stuff, but also accept that you aren't gonna change the other person, or get some kind of confession...
although this is sorta funny to watch u guys both on the brink of totally loosing that infinite amount of humor... mite wanta stop b4 u do..

-from the immature 15yr old**  :o  (i mean me, not u guys, dont want u to take that the wrong ways lol)




**depends on what you think is immature  :wink:
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 16:12:18
You are absolutely right Orion! :D

Sometimes I need a (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-060.gif) to wake me up.

My lips are sealed....for now. ;)

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: PissedOffMystic on October 06, 2005, 20:49:55
Here is my beef with you Nay, and yes, I have a beef with you.

This Brucelee fellow comes on here asking for assistance. He states that he has been feeling out of sorts for years, is having trouble thinking, sleeping, and has strange dreams followed by bouts of shouting.

You minimize this into 'You've just had a bad dream, you're fine.". You sidestepped half of the issues, telling him blatantly that he is not under demonic attack and that he should just get on with his life.

This fellow then responds to your sarcastic "advice", to which you say "I already told you you are fine, why do you keep bothering us asking for wards? You don't need them.".

Now, granted, it is very possible this fellow is not under psychic attack. His trouble could be any manner of things from the psychological to the physcial. BUT, and here's the grand but - you have no idea what his problem is. It just might be spiritual. You don't even bother to look into it.

Your manner of thinking is absolutely absurd. It would be akin to me calling my doctor about a strange growth on my arm and asking if I could come in for a cancer test. You, apparantly, would reply as such. "You don't have cancer, you're fine. You're obviously just a hypocondriac. Hope that doesn't tinkle you off too much."

Doesn't that seem a bit irresponsible to you? You should be ashamed of yourself for so horrendously misusing your aurhority on these boards. Doubly so if you are a practioner of any spiritual path. You seem to be more concerned with ego masterbation than actualy helping people.

That simple fact of the matter is that demons do exist, whether you have experienced them or not. And even in a case when someone isn't dealing with a demon, but deep psychological problems, simply telling them that they are 'fine" and that they should just just shove off and be miserable elsewhere isn't the best method of assisting them.

I take it from this snippet, that your view doesn't include demons of any sort - "By all means if you people think you are being attacked then fine, be attacked. I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be that way, it's not like I'm trying to take away your candy for goodness sakes or hell, maybe you feel I am. Most people come here and ask for help, they are given advise then don't want to take it because they don't want it to be gone."

What if you are wrong? You do realize, that if demons do in fact exist, your advice is bullocks. What if these people genuinely want to be free, but simply cannot? What then? Did you think of that? You demand others to look at your opinoin and consider it. Why can't you consider the other side of the coin? Hell, we might both be wrong, but you won't even CONSIDER demonic activity. And you yourself claim that you've never experienced such, which makes you something of a poor source.

But you, so self assured, send people packing and even ridicule them as fools for coming by to ask for help in the first place. This is especially rediculous behavior for the moderator of a Psychic Self Defense forum.

"But don't be going off on me because my opinion rings a bit true"
I am going off on your because your opinion is horribly and dangerously wrong, and the way in which you dish it out is potentially lethal to those who come to you for help.

Not much else I can say. It's obvious you do not wish to look at objective reality, and cannot see the faults in your own line of thinking. You are the worst, and most dangerous brand of fool. So, as such, I'm sure this post has been a complete waste.

My only prayer for you is this, then - That you learn what's it like to come up against a force outside of yourself, stronger than yourself, who will rip you to shreds bit by bit over the course of years until you are reduced to a quivering mass of neurosi, confusion, and pain. Then perhaps you will be humble enough to understand reality.

Now feel free to attempt to make yourself look good in front of the kiddies.

Adu.
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on October 06, 2005, 21:14:17
OH
MY
GOD


WOULD U GUYS PLZZZ SHUT UP!!! obviously Adu you PM'D runlola... just to attack Nay again?
I THINK SHE EITHER:
A) Has got it into her head that your out to get her, and theres no way ur gonna convince her
or
B) Has seen what you guys had to say, and accepted that she was wrong


...DROP IT!!

and lola.. shame on u for unlocking it just cause someone wanted to flame on nay!!!
and i actually liked trinity.. haha  :wink:
Title: Possesed
Post by: Shinobi on October 06, 2005, 21:31:38
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Title: Possesed
Post by: PissedOffMystic on October 06, 2005, 21:51:06
I mispelled it, actually. :) My foreign language skills aren't up to par. :P

But honestly, I invite Nay to objectively argue with my words. I'll answer any question honestly if (Sorry, I don't know the sex of this person) she will. Her views are absurd and harsh as nails. If I didn't see her as being potentially dangerous to those who might actually be in need, I'd just let it die. But her being both a moderator and a supposed spritual practitioner, she needs to be confronted.

*shrug* Unfortunately for everyone, ignoring a problem does not make it go away. Suggesting such to someone who has a serious one is bad buisness.

Also, I didn't PM anyone. I have no idea why this was unlocked. I suppose God wanted someone to confront Nay on her hardheaded dealings with spiritually and mentally damaged people. :) And that wasn't a flame. Someone who is so willing to turn away people with potentially serious problems and ridicule them in the process needs to be confronted. Sorry if that is harsh, but Love demands it.
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 06, 2005, 22:05:36
well...seems this joint is still open for comments, and y'all know i got a lot of those at the moment, but in all honesty i couldn't find any fault with POM's last post. save for the anger...but i think anger is healthy, and after all...
he's ticked OFF MYSTIC! :)

the only thing i really want to say in response to all is this. is how strange i find it that i'm constantly told by both Nay & RL to mind my own business, and not jump into conversations...but from what i've seen since i've joined AP that's all the both of you do!?! double-standards i guess. no wonder robert moved on (aside from the obvious)...he's goal in helping others, not in mascoting a forum for power-tripping mod's.
i don't know...most of the time i don't have too much of a problem with you guys. i know i don't follow the two of you around here discrediting all you say. seems like i just try to give honest advice & help where it's sought...and you two always wind up coming round to me. that's all.

actually i'm more interested in Orion's reactions to all this.
(who me?  :shock:)
first...a difference of opinion is no reason to lock a thread down. imho. you've been wanting it shut down for a while now. why haven't you moved on to other topics? why do keep coming back? anyway...that's not important, but what is important is that people have the freedom to say how they feel. both sides. no harm done...all just a bunch of words, right?
words are kept pretty cheap here, otherwise...i'd agree we had a problem. you're young, and i hope you have a flawless life without any bumps...but that's not usually the case. i hope more that when you find yourself in a situation where you feel passionately about some wrong doing...you have the ability, freedom, and strength to stand your ground and fight for what you think is right.

i guess i'm saying that your little comments in between the posts are of little value, and that sounds terrible i know...but if you aren't on a side. why get involved? why get into the middle of something you don't agree with? again...the answers aren't for me to know.

energy is good. all different kinds of energy. we're not talking about guns here. no one is chasing anyone else around with a weapon. we're just talking. well...i think we're all just talking...but in this forum i'm use to being told i'm wrong. who knows what's going on exactly?!?
watch it play out...that's the interesting part.
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 22:05:43
Quote from: ShinobiOrionsDream,

What are you doing?!  Hush!  Since Frank has been out for a while this is one of the better 'bun fights' we've had.  If you get PissedMyStic to pipe down, or Lola to relock the topic, we'll be stuck waiting for another of Nay's objective (and too rare) analyses to honk someone else off.  

I do have one question, though.  Is 'Adu' PissedoffMyStic's legal name, or did he/she just misspell adieu?  Just curious.  

Anyway,  carry on everyone!

Shinobi

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:   I was just saying this to the hubby earlier, well not the buns fight, but it was mentioned a few days ago that the Pulse was getting slow.  I then thought tonight....Lola, don't lock it!  this is the most excitement they've had in awhile. :D  

I guess I do like to bring in the turbo water gun...didn't realize that.  Hey...but it's never negative or full of gas ;)

Ok...now I'll read pissedoff's post  *sigh* held off long enough...I'm thinking a cousin of DK...not sure though.

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: James S on October 06, 2005, 22:18:55
Oooh can I say something here?

Mr. MissedOffPystic,

Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
"Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate"
Translated: "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily", or
"one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything"

When discussing issues of psychic protection and possession, what is the least complicated - that someone is suffering symptoms caused by their own mental and emotional distress, or that someone is suffering symptoms caused by external demonic entities?

Now you say:
"That simple fact of the matter is that demons do exist, whether you have experienced them or not."

That's an absolute fact is it?
Demons have been proven to exist without a shadow of a doubt have they?
Hmmm.....

So Nay is being completely irresponsible in dismissing demonic possession  is she?

How many people have you known that have actually been possessed, and how many people have you known that have suffered neuro-chemical imbalances that can result in tiredness, depression, nightmares, etc.?

I've suffered the latter. Yes, I've been prescribed anti-depressants because of severe depression, nightmares, lethargy and all the other symptoms Brucelee has spoken of. I've had to have a good look at my own mental and emotional states and work on them in order to heal myself. No demons involved I can assure you, other than those inside of me of my on creation. And guess what? I agree with Nay, because she's probably also been there too!

What IS irresponsible is encouraging people to believe that their problems are the result of some external malicious entity, and that they need to resort to exorcisms or other such rituals, instead of attempting to take back control of their own lives first.

There are most definitely things that a person can do to help protect themselves against negative energies that are ever-present around us, and we will advise on the best protective measures to take in a given situation. But when it comes to possessions, there's a line that should not be crossed when giving advise, and that line has a great deal to do with the idea that outside of religious dogmas, no-one yet has recorded a case of true involuntary possession.

Since I highly doubt Brucelee has been involving himself deliberately in some kind of black magic summoning/possession ritual, I think it might be safer to assume his problems are more internal.

Last point - no one who comes here genuinely seeking help with psychic / psychological problems are going to be laughed at or fobbed off by the moderators.
We're here because we've all been through hell ourselves. We know what it's like, and we've a pretty good idea on how to help others to either not go through it, or get out of it. Expect that we're going to be real about it too, and not lead people off in flights of fancy.

Please consider.

James.
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 22:31:55
QuoteHere is my beef with you Nay, and yes, I have a beef with you.

This Brucelee fellow comes on here asking for assistance. He states that he has been feeling out of sorts for years, is having trouble thinking, sleeping, and has strange dreams followed by bouts of shouting.

You minimize this into 'You've just had a bad dream, you're fine.". You sidestepped half of the issues, telling him blatantly that he is not under demonic attack and that he should just get on with his life.

Well you certaintly sound and feel just like DK, but of course (and I say that with a french twist) I cannot prove that. :)  Funny enough, I was thinking about using Dark Knight as an example in the "possessed" thread tonight but thought that would be in bad form.

QuoteThis fellow then responds to your sarcastic "advice", to which you say "I already told you you are fine, why do you keep bothering us asking for wards? You don't need them.".
is that really what I said?  omg..how friggin unfeeling of me.  I can't believe I said that, perhaps you remember wrong?  

QuoteYour manner of thinking is absolutely absurd. It would be akin to me calling my doctor about a strange growth on my arm and asking if I could come in for a cancer test. You, apparantly, would reply as such. "You don't have cancer, you're fine. You're obviously just a hypocondriac. Hope that doesn't tinkle you off too much."
Ummm, are you serious?  You are the victim again...oh, I get it!

QuoteDoesn't that seem a bit irresponsible to you? You should be ashamed of yourself for so horrendously misusing your aurhority on these boards. Doubly so if you are a practioner of any spiritual path. You seem to be more concerned with ego masterbation than actualy helping people.

Doesn't it seem a bit irresponsible that you have given this same speech over and over?  I've seen the same words on THIS very site, Astral Dynamics and spectral dragon's site...damn girl, tighten up your game. :roll:

Ya know what?  I'm not even gonna finish...I'm done with your tired, played out game.  That was just rude of you..lol. like I wouldn't notice it was you.

Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 22:34:41
Damnit, once again, I am a day late and a dollar short..

I haven't finished reading your post, James..but I thank you anyways.

I feel in such a rush tonight..LOL  is everyone set on FAST?

Nay

EDIT: James,  finished it.  You have said once again in good form what I have tried to say in my peasant way.   I'm like that chick that sells flowers and then you teach me to dance, sing and be sexy..:D

Hugs,
Nay
Title: Possesed
Post by: James S on October 06, 2005, 22:50:36
LOL!!

Well my fair Miss Hepburn, next you'll be thinking I can talk to the animals.  :wink:
Title: Possesed
Post by: Nay on October 06, 2005, 22:54:46
Well...don't you ?  :D
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 06, 2005, 23:07:50
hey james :D

hope you don't have a problem with me addressing your post.
while we're all waiting for nay to soak everyone. is kind of exciting...
all this sudden drama.

as y'all know i have been subject to attacks...yes!
as well i have been depressed, been on meds, sought professional help, and been in the company of some actual demons. no i prefer NOT to prove it, and nor does anyone really want the proof!!!

i'm very troubled by this idea...that people under attack limit their thinking and solutions. it bothers me greatly in fact. i will speak for myself, but i know this is common place for the fellow "attackees" i share insight with. i  am constantly doing a 3-60 when it comes to overall, all encompassing spirituality & well-being. i am consumed with it...bettering myself. always. strengthening myself constantly. i find it very insulting that without knowing me personally people would jump to the conclusion that i'm a neg junkie! that's an insult on my intelligence. i am not attacked bcuz i am hooked. i'm not attacked bcuz i'm bad, i'm not attacked bcuz i'm different. period!

as for proving that demons exist...where is the proof that god exists?
i know that demonic possession is documented in both the old & new testaments, as well as gnostic writings, and a host of other ancient manuscripts...not that that's proof mind you. i know that there are actual
practicing exorcists in the vatican. seems like the profession wouldn't exist if the possessions didn't exist.
msgr. corrado balducci, is the vatican's chief exorcist, and every diocese is supposed to have at least one priest qualified in exorcism who has been personally authorized & appointed by a diocesan bishop. so it's not like i'm asking anyone to take MY word for it. i know my truth, and i know what i've been through...and i use to say that i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy...but lately i'm changing my tune. i think if anything it scares folks straight into alignment, which goes back to my original thought on how insulting it is to think that we haven't learned a great deal in our trials.

this is beside the point...but it's one thing to be a beautiful, peaceful person that stands up and thoughtfully says "no war", but when that person starts believing them self justified to sit down with a vet, and discredit all they've been through...that's a cat of a whole 'nother color. i know nothing about what nay has gone through, but i will assume in the physical it is relatively the same as myself. the best of times/the worst of times...i would never, ever, ever...try to put down or smite what she's gone through, and how she's turned out. id like to think i deserve the same respect. i'm 37 yrs old for christ's sake...not 15! i do have a clue about things. a lot of things!

thanx for the elbow room
soul

ps...i'm sure y'all are getting tired, but...

1) it already was bad form to bring up DK to begin with. that was sad.
2) POM is not DK...if anyone was wondering.
3) i wonder if brucelee realizes what he started?!? maybe we should bring him back to finish...that would seem fitting.
Title: Possesed
Post by: PissedOffMystic on October 07, 2005, 00:47:47
Well, I was going to respond to you fellows here, but it has come to my attention by reading all this that I've stepped into a bit of a mess.

It's clear that there is some history behind these actions, and that your responses aren't based soley on reason and sanity.

Let it merely be known that I am not DK, and bad things do indeed happen to other people. Other, sane, and well meaning individuals. And belief alone isn't enough to solve them.

Apart from that, farewell.

Good luck and whatnot.
Title: Possesed
Post by: James S on October 07, 2005, 01:50:12
Hi Soul,

Yes, Nay just got a brand new super soaker. She's having fun!!

Umm... Nay, it is actually water that you're filling that thing up with yes?? :shock:

Me getting tired? Nah, It's 3 in the afternoon for me.  :)

"as for proving that demons exist...where is the proof that god exists?"
Yes exactly!
Which does put to question your next thoughts...
As you've nicely pointed out, the documented "proof" of demonic possession is within religious writings, and I'm having a hard time considering them to be in any ways objective or unbiased. Yes the vatican does have priests experienced in exorcisms, but do they not have a vested interest in making sure people maintain their belief in the possibility of posession?

Start talking to spiritual practitioners who have no particular religious bias, especially mediums, and you get a whole different story on possessions.

My own experiences during my time in church would tell me that demonic attacks and possession were indeed true, as I have been "attacked" as such.
Thing is, once I removed the religious bias from the equation, I realised, when looking back upon the situations, that I had been far more the victim of pre-conceptualising than I had been the victim of a true demonic attack. Now that I understand just how powerful are our abilities of creative manifestation, I understand just how we are more than capable of creating our own very real demons from our own emotional dis-ease.

To tackle the demons however, to me is to treat the symptoms and not the cause. This is the very mistake that I believe churches make when they diagnose a person's symptoms to external demonic influence, and supposedly release them of  these demons. In doing so they effectively release the person from the necessity of having to deal with the root cause of their own emotional problems.

I think a lot of this comes back to the differences in perspectives between the religious and the spiritualist.
In the spiritualist's view, we are a part of God, so we have everything we need within us to heal ourselves of any of the problems experienced during our time in the physical world.
The religious point of view is that we are nothing of ourselves and we need to turn to God for everything. When we loose sight of God we are powerless to avoid being ensnared by demonic forces, and need to turn back to god to be freed & healed.

How does all that grab you?

Blessings,
James.
Title: Possesed
Post by: star on October 07, 2005, 01:59:52
Does the idea that Born again's belive that everyone but themselves are going to burn in armagedon bother ne1?
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 07, 2005, 03:28:27
LOL Star...that's cute!

dear james as always a pleasure!
well it's very late here, and i don't know where i was going with my last post, except...all over the place. the tables can be reversed all day long, and i guess that would be my point. i've taken as much as i can get my hands on, and a hell of a lot of the essence of the things i can't...and i've thrown into some huge pie that's my perspective. and maybe it tastes funny, and it definitely doesn't work in small slices. it's a appreciation one develops over time (with ice cream!) your post was reasonable, and i agree. i don't see a lot of demonstration of humbleness on the whole though. who knows what's put in place to guide us individually?!? i just know that it never stops, and that i try never to settle into conclusions.

i don't want to waste time fighting. the way i am here. is the way i am. i'm not someone different when i'm away from the computer, or under attack. i'm the same.  i'm not putting on a bunch of various masks to keep it all separate, and i don't think the energy that proceeds me is ignorant.

and yes lola...pretty much "constantly".
there have been plenty of times that i've let go & let god. when have you ever ended one of your posts to me in a kind or apologetic way? apologetic at least for the misunderstanding. go ahead and search for one...i would very much like to be proven wrong on this. it would be the one time you could corner me into admitting that "it was all in my head".

soul
Title: Possesed
Post by: James S on October 07, 2005, 07:28:49
Hope you have a lovely night's sleep Soul. :)

I see the root of our differences - I like cream on my pie, not ice cream.  :wink:
But is cream right and ice cream wrong? No. It all comes down to who's eating.

I apologise if I seem somewhat forceful with my views on possession. Its one of those subjects that I've felt to be largely fear based. As you very appropriately stated in the other post - fear sells, and it does a very good job of it!

I agree - no fighting, but a good feisty debate is often worthwhile.

Now, about that pie...
I might even be willing to try some ice cream.  :)

Blessings,
James.
(I'm your typical Sagittarian - gallop in fast as possible, shoot anything that moves, apologise, then gallop away limping because I just shot myself in the foot.)
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 07, 2005, 08:09:14
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LOL, and I'm your typical Virgo. Always in the wrong place at the right time. The one standing in the middle of the battle never believing that anyone would really want to shoot "me". Torn between reuniting opposing sides, and bandaging soldiers back together, but somehow when the dust settles I find I'm all alone?!? :wink: And I'm definitely a creature of special service, so anytime you're ready for that nice warm pie ( :shock: )...let me know.
Forget the ice cream, you're right.
I'll have a big bowl of clotted cream waiting instead!!! A bathtub full! :D

LOVE SOUL
Title: Possesed
Post by: Selski on October 07, 2005, 13:22:21
Butting in purely as a member (not a mod) - I'm thoroughly enjoying this thread.

It's interesting, mature, not without humour and thought-provoking.  Thank you to all who are participating.

I'm now butting out again...

Sarah
Title: Possesed
Post by: OrionsDream on October 07, 2005, 15:26:26
omg i agree Selski...
although going to my email and seeing "inbox: 22" or whatever many posts u guys did.. is always... interesting!

funny fun fun...

ALTHOUGH I AM WORRIEd!
there seems to be less heat and agression as before, would u guys mind going back to the out right flaming insults.. it is more fun that way :)
Title: Possesed
Post by: Souljah333 on October 07, 2005, 17:32:11
holy cr@p orion...why don't you mind your own business!!! :evil: i'm so tired of having to tell you this over & over again...get a clue! get a grip! move on already, and stop making everything about you!!!!!
mwaahahaha
oh!...
that's not what u meant was it?!?
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