Spirit Releasement - Fear or Love?

[The AlphaOmega]

When writing such posts you must consider your audience.  I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't know what entity attachment and spiritual releasement is.  Everything was based around it, but I don't even know what it is.  However, I did understand some of your post (i think?) and know one thing for certain... believing or not believing does not make the belief or nonbelief true.  Things exist in this world that must be addressed, or they will NEVER change.  Education is the greatest tool.  AIDS IS an issue today, and therefor EVERYONE needs to be educated about it and all preventable actions.  Many parents do not want their children taught about sexual protection because they think that it promotes and encourages them to have sex.  I don't know about you all, but I certainly didn't wait for permission from a teacher saying I can or can't have sex, but I am sure glad I knew about condoms when I made the decision for myself... and people will decide for themselves.  There is only reality in this world, and to deny or ignore something potentually dangerous and not learn how to prevent it because of ignorance, religion, beliefs or fear is anything but logical.  And that goes for everything harmful, not just AIDS.  I probably got WAY off topic with the origional post, but that's because I don't really know what the origional post was trying to say.  Sorry for that[]

[Dark Knight]

No, you got the gist of the message, I wish more people did. Everyone keeps telling the people who are being attacked to be more loving, I'm far from convinced the ones doing the talking even know what loving another person really is about.

But that would mean taking personal responsiblity.

[Aries]

Hmmmm I dont think everyone on the planet is attacked and intruded on. Like me for instance, I dont believe I have been or am being attacked etc etc.
Some strange things have happened, but only once or twice. And Im not sure if that would even be because of being attacked etc.

How can one truely find out if they are being intruded on or attacked?
And if we are being attacked from birth, then maybe its not really an attack, we just think of it that way.

-Aries

[Dark Knight]

Not everyone may be attacked but you can be intruded upon or attached to or overshadowed. You know, influencing. Maybe small and petty but still influencing.

As someone who wrote me an email and sound so eloquently, "Everyone says we're all connected, but no one is all inclusive on what that statement means (good and bad connections)."

It was a damn good point and I hope that individual responds to this thread.

[Anonymous]

Greets, AlphaOmega, Dark Knight, Aries.


I had posted the same message on another forum, and have since expanded the discussion with several more posts.

My Thread on the Afterlife Conversation Board :
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/wwwboard/messages/45453.html

For a compilation of my posts on this topic :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/forum/messages/1525.html


Dark Knight wrote :
"Everyone keeps telling the people who are being attacked to be more loving, I'm far from convinced the ones doing the talking even know what loving another person really is about."

Yup, I touched on this point as well. The problem with using "Light & Love" to deal with intrusion/attachment, is that most pple don't truly understand what "Light & Love" is, as well as HOW to apply it.

In fact, unprotected compassion (unprotected compassion = unprotected love = unprotected sex? *heh*), is one of the key ways which CAUSES, enables and promotes vulnerability to intrusion and entity attachments.

From Chapter 3 of William Baldwin's "Healing Lost Souls" :

A nurse who assisted in performing abortions discovered that she carried over two hundred of these souls. Her compassion had opened the doors for their intrusion and attachment. She had to leave the job...


Once again, may I invite you to check out the discussion I had :

My Thread on the Afterlife Conversation Board :
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/wwwboard/messages/45453.html

For a compilation of my posts on this topic :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/forum/messages/1525.html

[Dark Knight]

quote:Yup, I touched on this point as well. The problem with using "Light & Love" to deal with intrusion/attachment, is that most pple don't truly understand what "Light & Love" is, as well as HOW to apply it.

In fact, unprotected compassion (unprotected compassion = unprotected love = unprotected sex? *heh*), is one of the key ways which CAUSES, enables and promotes vulnerability to intrusion and entity attachments. by Kyo

I like that! I like that alot. Listen if I live long enough and write my book can I quote you? That is excellent!

[SpectralDragon]

I see a lot of talking about educating people about such things, but do you remember in school the "I am stupid" and "I am with stupid" people?

People go to a math class and do not understand what they are looking at. They cannot understand why they cannot learn, and thus label and are labeled as "stupid". But they are not.

Some people have to learn by doing things. Others learn by hearing it. Others learn by seeing it. My school taught me this, but did not practice what they taught.

Everyone is good at something. They focus their learning around that, usually. If it is carpentry, they have to learn by doing things. If it is math or science, they have to learn by seeing things happen.

If somone is going to educate someone, they have to consider these things. It is much the same as the fear talked of above. So the fear is one of the problems, and the understanding of what that fear is and that knowledge can protect against it will lead to the problem above.

So how to fix these problems? Well, you teach something in multiple ways. This way everyone learns.

[Aries]

Yea but do you all think that everyone has something attached to them?
Because I dont think I do, but at the same time there is no way I could know for sure.. and if I do I need someone to help me get it away... assuming of course that it is evil or harming me.

Speaking of that, is it possible that something positive can attach itself to you?
-Aries

[Dark Knight]

I think (sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth kyo) the gist of the "learning" kyo was talking about revolved around real love. Real love meaning treating people as they "are", visual learner, doer, thinker, whatever. People are not validated personally and that's why they get left out of the loop.

[James S]

Hi Kyo,

Could you please explain the link you've made between entity attachments and soul retreivals?

I'm quite familiar with both, and I understand them to be completely different subjects -
Soul retrieveals have been conducted by members of this forum who are skilled and experienced projectors, who are guided by higher beings to souls who are trapped in lower astral regions, usually due to some kind of traumatic death which has left them tapped in a prison of thier own fears.

Neg attachments do seem to be more related to the links you've posted.

Sorry if this is just a point of semantics, but retreivals have been discussed a fair bit on this forum, so I'd like to try and keep with the understood meanings for the sake of not confusing terminologies. There's enough of that already.

I agree that education on these issues is important. People do need to know about these things so they can be forewarned, and therefore, hopefully, forearmed.

I do not agree that people should dwell on them. Dwelling on any negative subject is possibly more harmful than being ignorant of it. In other words, don't live in a bubble because you're afraid of what might be out there.

To this point I would have to strongly disagree that everybody has some kind of negative spirit attachment. This kind of statement is fearmongering in the same kind of fashion that christians use the concept that if you don't come to Jesus you WILL go to hell. I'm sorry, but there is simply no evidence whatsoever that this is true, and so I do not believe it should be promoted as a truth. It sounds too much like a sales pitch!

I do agree that there is always a risk of intrusion, and taking precautions is always wise, but please, lets not get carried away with  what the possibilities might be.


Regards,
James.

[Dark Knight]

James,

I don't know if this is akin to "Christian fearmongering" (believe in Christ or go to hell).

James, you know what's happened to me and what I have had to put back together again (and still am). When my boundaries, identity, sense of self were annihilated, everything I encountered was met with fear because everything became unknown to me. It was a devastating, herrondous experience because I was experiencing intense fear, and although I knew the life experiences I was facing were normal and not to be feared and were ordinary, I could not remember why. It was terrible, and depression is not the word for what I went through, I don't think it has a name.

Without being able to remember the "why" life became for me like that Christian fearmongering as you call it, do this, accept this or die.

James what I learned and what we may not think about because we take our boundaries and knowledge for granted is that every new experience is going to cause fear, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's a human reaction. What makes a situation right or wrong is how you deal with it. Education provides coping skills to move through the fear and come out of it either intact or with damage you can appropriately handle. James, without education or coping skills, you won't make it through the fear, trust me on that, I lived like an animal for 4 years without it and I don't recommend it. That isn't a fearmongering threat that's reality.

But for things like coping skills and education to work, like SD said, you have to have a healthy respect for people, and the love put into teaching has to be respectful and inclusive of other.

And that is the thing that I see missing on this site which I think is sad, because it shouldn't be. From day one of my arrival here, all I have seen with regards to God and love is that it belongs to this one mentality and is exclusive of all other. Here, "love" has become some "us vs them" camp. It's a set of rules, a "positive attitude" (which I find laughable, positive according to who?), set of laws in magic...it's never about compassion, never about service to other, never about acknowledging other. It is solely for self, which is about as exclusive as you can get. Which is why it doesn't surprise whenever somebody brings up "love" and "God" on this site, people automatically get defensive because "love" and "God" are associated with exclusion and lack of understanding and lack of compassion. You only get those things if you are "self reliant", so nobody wants to be powerless, ever, which is an absolute riot, because we're all powerless at some point in our lives. Nobody gets through life alone.

I think a little education into what compassion really is, what love really is, what God really is, is sorely needed here, and it needs to be protected and nurtured, otherwise we will fall apart. We won't have the coping skills to deal with anything and we'll always be at each others throats, which is what I see more and more of everyday.

I still keep hearing how the people suffering attacks are the only ones learning, but I have yet to see the rest of you finally accept, that we, the suffering are here for you to learn from, ie, how to be more loving, compassionate, and closer to the real meaning of God. How much longer are you going to deny your lesson? You kept think my complaints and negative comments were me complaining, it never once occurred to you that I might have been trying to direct your attention to something sorely needed?

[Aries]

I dont believe in God.

And I think a person can be self reliant and still have Love in them.
Also Love doesnt have to be positive, I can love someone and still hate them... all Love really is, is a deep appriciation and care for someone, you dont have to like or even know a person to love them.
Well thats what I think atleast
-Aries

[James S]

Hi DK,

I don't actually disagree with anything you've said here.
One of the great problems with the western technological way of life that has been foist upon most of the worlds population is that just like the technology around us, we too are becoming cold machines. People do need to learn about what love really is, and what tremendous power it can have in their lives.

What I don't agree with is the promotion of the philosophy that we are all doomed unless we learn about it. Though the truth of the matter may well be that we are all doomed unless we change our views, the promotion of that fact through the concept that we ALL have negative attachments and this is what we need to do to fix it, I believe is akin to "give your life to Jesus or you'll go to hell."

To me it's exactly the same kind of scare tactics. Maybey I just have a personal grudge against this kind of sales pitch. Whatever the case, I really don't like it. Promoting love through fear, which is essentially how this case comes across, I feel is counterproductive. Again this is no different to being told you must love God because he is a God to be feared.

Being educated about the possible dangers in life is a very sensible course of action, but I don't believe the passionate plees of people  have suffered terrible attacks is necessarily the way to get people to listen. I imagine like Australia, the US has "community awareness" ad campaigns on the dangers of smoking, or the dangers of speeding, with lots of graphical scenes showing you what happens. Even basic psychology studies have shown that all these do is de-sensitise people to the facts. More effective ad campaigns have been run for things like beach and water safety, and they take things more from the angle of "we know you want to have fun, so keep a few basic precautions in mind when you do."

Yes you have told me what you've been through, and I would not wish for anyone else to go through such trauma as you have. Know that I am not without experience when it comes to attacks, as twice in my life I have been attacked by entities whos purpose has quite definitely been to kill me, through suffocation by paralysis and constriction. A third time I nearly died was when I was caught in a rip out in the surf. No negs this time, only my own stupidity. I hadn't enough strength to fight it, so I nearly drowned. In each case, I'd had enough education and training to know what to do, and how to escape an otherwise certain death.

The thing here is basic psychology tends to prove time and again that negative reinforcement is simply not effective, and to me the promotion of these books on regaining control of your life, no matter how valuable they may be, is being done through negative reinforcement. None of my education came through negative reinforcement, it was all provided in a positive light, and I remembered!

One thing I would like to add in here Dark Knight, is the knowledge you have gained from your trials could be of huge value to others here, but only if it is presented in a positive way, not presented in a way that could make people more fearful than they already are. I have seen a more positive tone in quite a few of your posts, and it really does make such a difference.

Kind regards,
James.

[Dark Knight]

My learning WAS negatively enforced from childhood at home, from my teachers and schoolmates at school...up until being attacked in my adulthood. Being treated with respect is not owed to you, it is a gift. And if you push any group of people too far, you can expect a negative response...you can ask Israelis and the Palestinians that question, or any any other repressed group that retaliated in frustration.

If that pushed the "roll of the eyes" button, then you're right about the desensitization. But with all due respect, from my original work in race relations, that desensitization often comes about becuase no empathic connection or association is made between peoples. It's not something that personally affects you, so the pain, the needs, don't really exist and can be overcome without aid.

When I had that download last Feb/Mar 2003, I was shown a few things...namely a lot of abductees and sensitives undergoing what I was undergoing, had been undergoing. Mind you, I've been told this was a worst case scenario, and only had a possiblity of happening. But from what I am seeing...this planet made choices to learn certain lessons. The lessons aren't being learned the easy way...if people have the choice to walk away they do. If the lessons are to be learned the hard way, that is what might happen for that learning to take place. More and more each day, I have a feeling that is exactly what will happen. If you can't see yourself in others, if you walk away instead of learning...you can't walk away forever.

[SunnyBlue]

regarding "In fact, unprotected compassion (unprotected compassion = unprotected love = unprotected sex? *heh*), is one of the key ways which CAUSES, enables and promotes vulnerability to intrusion and entity attachments." I think this was Kyo`s message, and also regarding the last part of Darks veiws on Love and compassion.(which surprised me in it`s clarity thanks Dark.)
For me, life here is about learning unconditional Love, this means reliseing your inherent worth(loveing yourself) which means dropping
the negative attitudes you have been led to believe or accepted.
this allows one to be not affected by the people, beings etc that wish to push your buttons,milk you etc.for their wants.
I got the feeling of Love from my Mother,friends,Angels and Good spirits, it can be felt from many nature spirits also.
If you don`t have your mother or someone close that You can remember,then i would suggest You find someone that unconditionally Loves You for You, then You will feel what this is about, and can
remember and make this part of your being. This must be put into action also.
My study of buddhist mind also helped, there is a saying from Lao Tzu
goes something like, it`s hard to track what is mindless.
this is achieved my letting go, and just being the precious part of God that You are.
this is not to suggest that You have to be egoless, my view is ego should be there when advantageous.
So i agree, many do not know well what real Love is, to me if i don`t know, i better find out fast.
with Love
Bruce

[shedt]

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight
[brBut from what I am seeing...this planet made choices to learn certain lessons. The lessons aren't being learned the easy way...if people have the choice to walk away they do. If the lessons are to be learned the hard way, that is what might happen for that learning to take place. More and more each day, I have a feeling that is exactly what will happen. If you can't see yourself in others, if you walk away instead of learning...you can't walk away forever.

for sure. But on a "higher level" or lower one, are we all them same ? what about your past life ? your future ones ? the lessons all add up. The question for me is do we create our own reality or not. How many different levels are there ? dimensions ? how are they all connected ?

what is time anyways ?

[Dark Knight]

The Creator gave life to a reality and all it's mechanisms and counter mechanisms and provided us with the faculties (mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical) to define a "reality" that we use to manuever through the mechanism. We are not "God" of it though.

Why?

Because my "reality" may be different than yours and at some point may clash. The clashing that takes place forces us to examine what is and is not valuable and what level of priority to assign each. Still there can be differences of opinion, and still you are not God of your reality.

The fact is this...all actions have consequences. If you choose to run away, walk away, consistently and non-stop, and do not take responsiblity for the consequences of your actions, there will come a point where you will be forced to face your consequences. That's one way the Creator ensures we learn about loving otherselves and others. It not a bad thing or a punishment thing, it was done for your benfit and the benefit of others, and you always have a choice.

Your "lessons" are not a bubble unaffected and solely unto itself. You are interacting with others and other you.

There are 8 octaves (densities) last I heard when it came to reality, each octave having it's own set of levels. We are currently interacting between a transisition of 3D and 4D. last I heard anyways.

Shedt, don't take things too literally and miss the larger meaning.

[shedt]

how do you know "the creator" is a concious self-aware being ?

why 8 ? last time I heard there was 7, and anyways, a octaves are broken down into 12. the first and last frequency are the same, just they are the "octives' of each other

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[Dark Knight]

Is the Creator self aware? I say yes, but you wouldn't believe my reasons...it has to do with a combination of things I've learned over the course of my attacks, the intervention that occured during my download, and a relaization that even chaos has it's own order.

Last I heard, there were 8 octaves, unless someone isn't counting 8D in which the soul returns to the Creator. Been a while since I studied this (damn problem with being attacked and trying to stay alive, life just kind of passes you by).

[shedt]

Ok I understand how you are counting 8, but I alwasy thought that was 7. I'd like too know what your reasons are too think that it is self-aware. Do you think it is "always" self-aware, or that it is only a one point in time ? if it is "the creator' did/does it create conciously or does it just happen ?

[Aries]

whats an Octave?
-Aries

[shedt]

I don't know they exact definition, but octive is a musical term. in music there is e,f,g,a,b,c,d,e the first lower e and the last second e are the octives of each other. the are the same notes musically, but the frequency cycle is much higher. it's like the next cycle in that frequency range that is the same. maybe someon else can explain it better, or I'll go google it.

[Coffee]

An octave is a way of measuring pitch.  An A note vibrates 440 cycles per second, while the octave above A vibrates 880 cycles per second and the A note below vibrates 220 cycles per second.  If you double or half the pitch, you have an octave.  

In western music, each octave is divided into 12 semitones; so the 1st note, the 13th note and the 25th note have the same qualities but are different in pitch.  

In eastern music, each octave is divided into 24 semitones, except in cases where the notes and octaves are neither named nor measured; music like Gamelan which comes from Bali and Indonesia.

I've never heard that there are only 7 or 8 octaves, but it could be true.


As far as attachments are concerned, I believe that everyone has them because I've never met anyone who doesn't have them.  They were only able to overcome them by understanding their situation, not by understanding attachment in general.

[Dark Knight]

No, no. no, not that kind of octave. We're not talking about music, but thank you for the lesson.

We're talking about the different densities, you know, 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D, and finally 8D, journeying back to the Creator. This planet is in 3D transiting to 4D.

[Aries]

Darkys got it! So yea can some one elaborate on what she just said alittle more?
-Aries