USING IRON/STEAL AGAINST NEGS

[daem0n]

have you tried holy hand grenade ??
http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_orgone_generator.html

[Rob]

With respect to bracelets they should be broken (ie not full circle) so that you get resonance effects from them.

HHG's = cool []

[thankful]

Kalratri,

Very interesting info, thanks for sharing.

Mira

[kalratri]

Again if it's a minor attack steel bracelets ought to be enough, if stronger attacks are suspect,  iron bracelets made out of used horse shoes ought to be enough, try to make it a bit thick, you can make it for the ankles as well.  The level of iron you need to stop the neg attackers transmission should give you a fair assessment of the power of the attacks, so make several bracelets.  Sometimes I just get horseshoes and make him hold it.  BUT BE CAREFUL, too much iron can effect the heart  making you depressed and feel horrible, so do it very slowly for small periods of time and see the reaction and decrease the level of iron if you see the person cry or get depressed.

basically the iron interferes with the transmission of the attacker, and since spells/etc. are magnetic in nature the iron acts to withdraw  the spell.

[kalratri]

quote:Originally posted by daem0n

have you tried holy hand grenade ??
http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_orgone_generator.html

I thought about a daisy cutter bomb right over the witch house...maybe if I tell the US government that I saw Osama hiding out there...hmm[]

[kalratri]

quote:Originally posted by Inguma

With respect to bracelets they should be broken (ie not full circle) so that you get resonance effects from them.

HHG's = cool []

Perhaps that's why horse shoes worked the best.  Well I got to measuring ,er," Witch Transmission Strength or" Neg Transmission Strength" using the number of horse shoes I needed to put on to stop the attacks... I needed 5-6.  Now I can't walk around with 5 horse shoes around my legs and arms now can I...[:I]

[daem0n]

i was dead serious about holy hand grenade
as for tips for FBI, hmmmm [}:)]

[Rastus]

You want 'cast iron', as opposed to worked steal.  Cast iron has a much diffrent crystalline structure when compared to worked steel.  It's brittle not ductile.

An ancient technique involves a keg of nails (I told you it was old) that are bent into right angles, then scattered about the perimeter of the home.  They readically break up magnetic lines, almost like a faraday cage.  Nails that old are handmade, so it's soft iron used, not modern steel.

[kalratri]

Yeah, those nice and shiny German made hi tech steel blades made by Wustoff does not work, where as the crude and heavy steal of a khukri knife (carried by Gurkha warriors) does.

[Mathias Jonsson]

What do you call a piece which you iron clothes with (my english escapes me at the present)... anyway I have such an item, an antique one, that is made of iron.
It is very heavy and magnetic. I tried holding it to me neg-infected areas and I felt almost abit nauseous.

I've tried using putting it under my bed (where my negs reside) well, it helped for some nights, though my stubborn negs have certainly found ways to circumvent this also

I have tried almost everything by now agaisnt negs: various protective
herbs, garlic, camphor, incense, seasalt, iron, having light on during the night.
Also I do banishing rituals frequently.
The neg problem I have have decreased some, yet it is a damn nuisance .

[thankful]

Mathias, Have you tried Robert Bruces's "artificial telluric spring"?  It's in his book Practical Psychic Self Defense book and somewhere else on this website.

thankful

[Mathias Jonsson]

No I haven't. I know so much as when it's raining and I'm outside (for instance riding an bus) there is no attacks at all.
But I've experineced attacks while taking a shower in a bathtub.
So running water do help at least temporarily.
But making an telluric spring is I guess rather an expensive ordeal and I'm not that handy person.
I'm going to try to find a new apartment that is less influenced by neagtive leylines (which is tha main reason negs can manifest).

[CaCoDeMoN]

Maybe piston rings would be good as anti-neg bracelets? They are cheap, light, and much easier to get than horseshoes....

[Tayesin]

Hi,
I'm confused about this thread.  And I don't mean this in a nasty way, but, are you guys joking around in this thread ?  Seriously ? [:I]

Let's take a walk while I talk, LOL.... []

Imagine you chose this life before incarnating .... within a framework of billions of options the soul you are wanted to have.

Imagine the concequences and responsibility.

Do you think anything you experienced in life was part of the options you wanted to have ?  Would it seem like you had contracts to experience these things ?

If it seemed possible while you imagined it, that is because it is.

So, ask yourself.. if I am experiencing these things (Psychic Attacks), what choices have I made to experience this.  And, what can I do about it ?

If you made those contracts in your astral preparations for life here, then you have already included all the searching after the answers and methods to help you, because this is a task you set Yourself.

Since this is about what the Self chose for this life, maybe experiencing the power of your Self is the method that will work for you, and you, and those other people too. []

Although, if it is true in an ultimate sense that what we believe creates our experience then you may just experience some relief from attack, however miniscule from the belief in Steel.  

I know when I help others the first thing I do is get them helping themself, which helps them to feel better about themself, and also reduces the incidents of attack after the initial fightback because the person believes they are doing something about it.

Love Always.[]

[thankful]

Tayesin,

your quote:  I'm confused about this thread. And I don't mean this in a nasty way, but, are you guys joking around in this thread ? Seriously ?

I for one am totally serious.  Sorry you're so embarrassed for me.  I have stood helplessly by while my infant handicapped child was harrassed beyond what ANYBODY should bear for 2 plus years.  Don't give me any hogwash about how she deserves this because she chose it or she deserves it because of a past life.  First of all she doesn't have the mentation to understand her "lesson" and second of all I don't believe the universe, God, the Source (or however you choose to see God) is that unjust or hateful.  The plain and simple truth is that my daughter was taken advantage of for food because she is vulnerable because of the trauma of medical procedures she received from infant through age 2 plus and the fact that she doesn't have the brain power to resist.  I see these negs as terrorists who will take advantage of any weak person.  You have no idea of the hell she and we as a family have gone through. It is pure torment to see your child suffer and not be able to do anything about it.  I only wish that I found this site when I was going through the worst of it with her.
I am pretty new to a lot of these ideas, but I am totally open to learning the truth.  I am not spiritually advanced enough to go into the astral and kick some neg a++.  But if I could, I definitely would.  So in the mean time, am I going to use steel, iron, herbs or any other means to help my innocent daughter.  I give a resounding YES.  Because if I don't try to help her, I am just as mean and negative as the things that take advantage of her.  I am actually embarassed for you.  Of course what you say has merit.  But to try to belittle anyone who is trying to help someone or themselves using whatever means necessary, well, what is the matter with you?

Mira

[cprince]

quote:Originally posted by Mathias Jonsson

What do you call a piece which you iron clothes with (my english escapes me at the present)

Hehehehe....it's none other than iron itself.

By the way, you guys think that HHG is effective to expel negs?  Anyone has any experience?

There are two schools that branched out from the orgone technology.  One is Ernie from Vega Chi Generator and is Karl Hans Welz. Karl Welz is the one who taught Don Croft how to make the generator that apparent is the formula widely available to the public now. I was told however the formula although somehow effective is not the actual potent formula that Karl Welz made for sale at very high price.

Don Croft created sensation and attracted lots of followers with his theory of aliens and repetilians?  Is this the marketing strategy of Karl Welz.

These are not the words from me but a insider source.

[Tayesin]

Hi Mira,
I'm sorry you feel that way about my post.

It wasn't written by an insensitive bastard with no experience Mira.  It was not an attack against any person.  

It was a serious question because I could not see the justification for continuing the irrational attachment to Beliefs and outdated concepts.

You can do something for your daughter because you are a part of her Soul's contracts.

Whether you believe it or not Mira, the Soul your daughter is has chosen to experience this.. and so has Your's!  Which is why you are both experiencing this together.

And the Creator had to have provided the means for it to happen, otherwise it could not occur at all.

This does not mean she deserved it !  There is a massive difference in perceptions there.  

Emotionally laden responses get in the way of seeing what is there for you.  And seeing clearly is most important in your situation Mira.  

Perhaps you might like to read the thread called "Attack from Professionals" to get some idea of what I am talking about.  It will also give you something real you can do for your daughter NOW.  And something that you can do for her a couple of times a day if needed until she is strong again.  

My home pages also share other easy methods to form shields and get into your inner power/awareness levels.  You may try them too as they work very well with everyone I use them on...well,  except many Males because we are so damn logical/3D minded.

Try to remember that there really is no such a thing as a Victim, unless we create one.

Love Always. []

[cprince]

quote:Originally posted by Mathias Jonsson

What do you call a piece which you iron clothes with (my english escapes me at the present)... anyway I have such an item, an antique one, that is made of iron.
It is very heavy and magnetic. I tried holding it to me neg-infected areas and I felt almost abit nauseous.

Hey guys, you believe it or not.  After reading Mathias post about iron, I went immediately to where the iron is located and found it lying flat.  So I made the iron stand as it should be, facing the maid's room.  The iron is just outside the maid's room.

You know what?  The maid woke up from the bed just to put the iron flat down again.  It's 1.30am now and she usually sleeps at 11.00pm.  Call this effective or call this coincidence, it's up to you.  But this was exact what happened 5 minutes ago.

Hehehe, tomorrow is iron shopping today.

By the way Mira, you have not told us about your condition.  What is happening to you and your child.  Going through negs attack made me more sympathetic to people with such experience.

Best Regards,
CP

[thankful]

Tayesin,
I still stand by my statement that you shouldn't belittle anybody. People would be able to accept things better if you come to them with an attitude of caring and not like "you're so stupid I'm embarrased for you".    
My response was in defense, not just of me and my daughter, but anyone here who is struggling.  You say these concepts are outdated, but sometimes they are all that anyone has until something else comes along.  Apparently Robert Bruce doesn't think they're outdated or he wouldn't give info on passing over running water and other methods of self defense.  I am on this site because I believe he is a man of integrity and I enjoy the postings of the people here so I can learn and maybe add two cents of my own.
I am open to learning whether from you or anybody else so I will check out your website and the forum threat you mentioned.  But don't go calling me emotionally laden because I responded to your rudeness. I was offended for me and others.  

Mira

[Rob]

Disclaimer:
Tayesin - if I come across as rude, its probably because I'm in a bit of a foul mood right now, but its making me speak my mind (yep, all just my mind and the opinions of an imperfect human being). So apologies I offend, but:

quote:So, ask yourself.. if I am experiencing these things (Psychic Attacks), what choices have I made to experience this. And, what can I do about it ?

First, its my opinion that you are wrong. But frankly I dont think its relevant.
If you are right, then who are you to say what the reasons are? How can you tell that the reason was not to learn about the properties of iron, of running water, how negs are scum and we must learn to defend against evil, etc etc? Ultimately you dont, you're just making assumptions based on what you believe to be true.

You think our philosophies are outdated. Well guess what? The feeling it mutual. Your philosophy is practically unworkleable, and IMO, taken to an extreme we could sit here until we starve, and when we end up dead say "hey, thats the way it was supposed to be! I planned this before incarnating, so no worries - at least I know now the value of eating!".
You dont need and of this fluff to learn from lifes experiences.

The basis of your philosophy originated in the far east, from where it was taken, altered to taste, and mixed together with a load of other stuff in a big melting pot, with a huge dollop of channeling thrown in for good measure. The resulting dish was called "new age", and its a shame how many people swallow it whole without checking for unhealthy side effects.
Anyway, one of the biggest proponents of this "your create your own reality 100%" idea was Jane Roberts, channel of Seth. She died of cancer, while Seth whittled on about taking apart and reconstructing her belief system. If she couldn't make it work against cancer, then what chance does anyone have of using it to evict a neg?
Bear in mind that once, I did just what I said above - swallowed new ageyness without questioning. It was sweet to taste and I was naive. I have since dropped the "you create your own reality" model, because I just couldn't make it work. When I was 5 I did NOT create the evil that attached itself to me. I did not create the paralysis, the overwheling fear, the dread. Nor did I keep myself awake at night all week, hypnotised and unmoving and scared more than I can describe. Nor did I create the unending procession of shadows I saw walking through my room. I was innocent, completely innocent, and anyone who says otherwise is an.....is wrong.

Yes, I feel embaressed for anyone who disagrees, just as I feel embarressed that once, on the old forums, I argued with McArthur (think it was) that the poor people in Bangladesh create the floods that regularly kill so many. I clung to that belief system and the torrents of logic washed unseen around me. I was such a fool!
But now, I know that sometimes, things just happen, thats the world we live in and if all we had to do was wish it away, it wouldn't be half as much of a challenge. And if it is all part of a grande plan, I honestly dont care, because then what I do is still a part of that plan, and I still have to do it.

I think I have now addressed well enough why I think that pre-life contracts are irrelevant, and why I dont think we totally create our reality, so I'll get off my now smoldering soapbox and leave it at that. btw I am not arguing you cannot alter you reality, depending on the effectiveness of your magic.



Cpince:

quote:By the way, you guys think that HHG is effective to expel negs? Anyone has any experience?

I have some experience. HHG's and similar fun create a more energetically active and positive environment in which negs find it more difficult to act out their machinations. I doubt orgone devices could be used to fully expel a neg from a person, but I am open to being proved wrong. Perhaps in the long term. Or perhaps if they were used as tools to amplify magick. So they help, but are not a "final solution" har har di'har [] (oh deary deary me someone put me down!! lol!!).

quote:These are not the words from me but a insider source.

Who's that then??!
Karl did not teach The Don anything, don croft simply examined one of his products a friend had bought for $500 and said "I can do that for $0.50!!" or words to that effect.
There are a lot of humongous, gigantics egos flouting around the orgonite scene. Vast, leviathons of egos. Ego's so huge no humility can escape. etc etc []. Not saying your source is of course, but just thought I should mention it!!
Lol, I'll just...umm...go now hehehehehehe.

<smiles>

Rob <-----fool!!!!! ROFL

ps lol I'm so going to regret being so sharp tomorrow but hey, every once in a while eh, maybe I'll learn something from it. But hey, am feeling better now, think I just needed to get it out my system.

pps anyone noticed how similar "new age" sounds to "new world order"?...

[Rastus]

Like I've said before, if you remove all the threads that are plain wrong, then this forum would be very thin indeed.  Who decides right and wrong?  Well that's the rub, now isn't it?  Someone's ability to AP does not make them right, even though many people think this.  There are daily threads that start out "I have this theory...", and advice that is downright dangerous.  What is true and right has been stated on this site over and over, you just have to sift through refuse to find the true nuggets.  Besides, when most people here truth, they don't believe it or value the knowldege anyway.

So what to do about it?  Exactly what we are doing.  When someone new (or old for that matter) reads a thread and sees a responce, let them see what others think of it.  Some people insist you get back at people by sucking them dry and sealing off theur energies, while others think compassion is the answer.  See the question , see the responces, see the rebuttals, then choose for yourself.  Choose with your heart what seems appropriate for you.

[baronharkonnen]

I wonder if hematite around the neck would help?  I've got a hematite crystal on a necklace.  Hematite is mostly Iron I believe.  In any case, when entities attack me, they always go for my neck.  In my case, they usually appear in my dream as someone I know and then they do something to tinkle me off.  They then wait for you to come near them ( in the dream ) and they always go for the neck.  Then I wake up and hear a voice coming from that part of my neck, saying the usual stuff trying to make you frightened or scared.

I'm pretty good at getting rid of them now, an attacks are getting less frequent.  I think they depend on "blockages" in your energetic system ( qi blockages ) to get in.  Since I've been doing lots of energy work and eliminating blockages, attacks have become much less frequent.

Hope this helps someone.

the baron

[kalratri]

quote:Originally posted by thankful

Tayesin,
I still stand by my statement that you shouldn't belittle anybody. People would be able to accept things better if you come to them with an attitude of caring and not like "you're so stupid I'm embarrased for you".    
My response was in defense, not just of me and my daughter, but anyone here who is struggling.  You say these concepts are outdated, but sometimes they are all that anyone has until something else comes along.  Apparently Robert Bruce doesn't think they're outdated or he wouldn't give info on passing over running water and other methods of self defense.  I am on this site because I believe he is a man of integrity and I enjoy the postings of the people here so I can learn and maybe add two cents of my own.
I am open to learning whether from you or anybody else so I will check out your website and the forum threat you mentioned.  But don't go calling me emotionally laden because I responded to your rudeness. I was offended for me and others.  

Mira

Don't worry Mira,
As the brand "new" age hippie saying goes -- one too many OBE's makes Johnny into an airhead.

You do what you have to to help your child, I feel the same way since my nephew too is under attack, and I would do anything and everything to help him.  

I consider myself lucky that I was a practitioner of spiritual exercises quite early and am able to use some of it to help my nephew, but I understand the very simple concept that not everyone has a similar experience.  But do look into practicing some spiritual excercises regularly, you never know how powerful you might become by just regular practice of something as simple as meditation and focusing your awareness on your breath for half an hour everyday, if nothing else, it'll give you the focus to keep searching and give you the emotional strength to deal with the painful situation.

[thankful]

Thanks Kalratri,

Now that is advise that I can actually USE.

Mira

[Tayesin]

Kalratri,
Quote, "But do look into practicing some spiritual excercises regularly, you never know how powerful you might become by just regular practice of something as simple as meditation and focusing your awareness on your breath for half an hour everyday, if nothing else, it'll give you the focus to keep searching and give you the emotional strength to deal with the painful situation."

Thank you for saying this.  It is my point exactly through all of these threads.  Thank You.

Thankful,
I didn't belittle anybody, nor attack any one individual.

Quote,"you're so stupid I'm embarrased for you", appears no where in my post.  The little embarrased emoticon was there for my embarrasment at not understanding if the poster's were serious or just having a play around.

This may seem callous to you but, I don't care what Robert Bruce says about this.  I do not see Robert as the authority figure on the astral, as I have been venturing there since the mid 1970's too and I disagree with some of his concepts.  You can possibly bet that he has not yet come to uniting with his higher-self, so may still be venturing without the benefit of his highest awareness level.. which would account for the differences.

Quote, "But don't go calling me emotionally laden because I responded to your rudeness."

Where did I CALL YOU emotionally laden ?  What I said was this, "Emotionally laden responses get in the way of seeing what is there for you. And seeing clearly is most important in your situation Mira."  

Again, this is not a personal attack Thankful, only a sharing in honesty.  And we all know that the majority of humans perceive Complete Honesty as attack or similar. It is true isn't it Thankful that you did feel emotional responses to my original post here and allowed them to flow over into your response typing.  Nothing wrong with that, but, clarity comes from standing back and letting those emotions flow on through BEFORE taking action.  That way we are clear and direct.

When we have such responses to things it indicates that we have an issue to deal with.  And for those who wish to live completely honestly, we then recognize such and deal with it.  This is always followed by more clarity.

And, there are new ways to use with attacks.

Inguma,
It's okay if you were in a foul mood, and I am glad you spoke your mind on this....

Quote. "If you are right, then who are you to say what the reasons are? How can you tell that the reason was not to learn about the properties of iron, of running water, how negs are scum and we must learn to defend against evil, etc etc? Ultimately you dont, you're just making assumptions based on what you believe to be true."

I can say that there are generalised reasons, because I am clear enough to see and receive insight into some things, and, viewing from the bigger pictures in, provides much more insight than seeing from the little soul perspective most of us are still using.  

Umm, negs are scum ? In my experience Inguma, what are called 'negs' here are simply other beings who use their portion of the Light/Energy for Darker purposes.  That makes them Beings who choose, it does not confer the human concept of Evil-ness upon them, it allows us to see that we are working inside a Duality zone where these things are played out for our ultimate benefit.

Sorry mate, no assumptions being made here, only real advice from experience, based on non-attachment to any Belief-system.  

Quote, "Your philosophy is practically unworkleable, and IMO, taken to an extreme we could sit here until we starve, and when we end up dead say "hey, thats the way it was supposed to be! I planned this before incarnating, so no worries - at least I know now the value of eating!". You dont need and of this fluff to learn from lifes experiences."

This philosophy, as you call it, works for many people I work with.  It does not mean or imply that everything is pre-destined.  That is a way too confined perception of this concept.  It's from the little soul perspective again.

What it means is this, We came here for Experience.  We choose the lives according to our needs/wants etc.  The planning out of these lives is done seriously when we are in our higher awareness levels and we MUST include all the millions of choices we wanted to have the options to make in every second of that life.  All people we interact with in life have been contracted to play certain roles for us and to provide certain experiences we wanted to have, as we have done for them.  In no way does Predestiny come into play because the amount of options we chose in the life itinery prevents it from becoming a reality.  The framework I spoke about is massive, and includes ALL the options we wanted to have.

And ultimately, we are not here to learn from experience... another little-soul perspective there.  We are here FOR the Experiences, that help us to Remember, not learn. It is true we already know all the answers as the huge and powerful souls we are, so we do not need to learn anything, only to remember what we already know in our highest awareness.

Quote, "The basis of your philosophy originated in the far east, from where it was taken, altered to taste, and mixed together with a load of other stuff in a big melting pot, with a huge dollop of channeling thrown in for good measure. The resulting dish was called "new age", and its a shame how many people swallow it whole without checking for unhealthy side effects."

I agree with most of this statement Inguma, with the exception of this 'philosophy of mine' being such.  My concepts are based on my experiences of Higher-Self and copious amounts of Astral realm and higher journeys over more than 25 years.  I explore and experience with no Beliefs to cloud my perceptions.  This is the way I was taught to be, to prepare and journey 'as if naked', meaning to have no expectations of what must be, should be or can be experienced.  And as such is also opposed to those standard belief-systems, even if some of them are similar to my own concepts.

Quote, "Anyway, one of the biggest proponents of this "your create your own reality 100%" idea was Jane Roberts....."

I actually disagree with that theory too.  In my experience to date I have found situations that do not abide by this concept.  For example, I do not beleive in Angels, yet this year I have been seeing and talking with an angel, Ariel.  So according to the theory, because I do not believe in Angels, they should not exist in my reality...YET, there is one!  This was more than enough proof for me to discard the whole theory that I have been mentally juggling with for a number of years because it didn't resonate with my own experiences.

Quote, "When I was 5 I did NOT create the evil that attached itself to me. I did not create the paralysis, the overwheling fear, the dread. Nor did I keep myself awake at night all week, hypnotised and unmoving and scared more than I can describe. Nor did I create the unending procession of shadows I saw walking through my room. I was innocent, completely innocent, and anyone who says otherwise is an.....is wrong."

No one here is saying you created those experiences Inguma, nor that you were less than innocent.  But what should be said is this,  What part did you (as the Soul you are)play in the reality of those events ?  It is a viable question that needs to be looked at.  As you know, nothing happens without us having some form of responsibility for it.  Never is anything totally one-sided, never are we a Victim unless we allow ourselves to be.  Everything works as a co-operative creationing that WE are a part of. So we do have some responsibility for what we experience in this life, because WE DID CHOOSE IT.

Quote, "And if it is all part of a grande plan, I honestly dont care, because then what I do is still a part of that plan, and I still have to do it."

Exactly!

Quote, "I am not arguing you cannot alter you reality, depending on the effectiveness of your magic."

Our reality can be altered within a second if we so chose.  And it is so because we did include many millions, if not billions of options and choices we wanted to have/experience.  But, if you have not chosen certain experiences for this life in your framework planning then you will not experience it.  

The things and concepts I write about are so very opposed to the standard stuff, and that is for a very good reason.  One of my tasks is to share what I have come to understand and remember about our true nature as Great Souls.  The information comes from directly experiencing my Self, after uniting with Higher-Self during an enlightenment event of a few years ago.  So, the perspectives I use are from the outside looking in and not from the human little soul perspective the rest of us are still operating in.

If we are to Awaken, then it is time to share the things that are from the awakened.  Time to move past the belief-systems that have kept us confined as little souls perceiving human existence, instead of perceiving as the Soul we are.  And nothing is unworkable until we experience it as such, otherwise it is only a belief.

Thanks Inguma for this opportunity to respond to you and try to express these new concepts in a way that more people can understand readily.  I hope I succeeded on that score.[]

Love Always.[]

PS.. here's that ancient Druid Maxim again...
"The Truth Against the World"