Has there ever been a Astral War Before
can't anyone answer this?
I don't know whether it's true but:
http://tinyurl.com/4z27v
"According to Steiner, a tremendous and crucial round in the battle was fought out in the last thirty years of the 19th century and on the Inner Planes, between the Forces of AHRIMAN (the term he took over from Zarathustra) and the FORCES OF LIGHT.
These latter are conventionally known to Western (Christian) tradition as the Cohorts of Michael. Steiner said that the fight ended in a complete victory for the LIGHT, but that, as a result of it, a great many of the powerful demonic beings had been actually cast down upon the planet Earth, with the consequence that their presence and their influence now impinge more than ever upon the prospects and the destiny of mankind."
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ok then thx
I'd think that people would have evolved out of concepts like this in a place like that.
not neccesarily, the neg entities that are real obviously wouldnt change and that would lead to a war
http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_armor_geton.htm
No idea how true his writings are, but I like reading them!
Why would that lead to a war?
simple, theres always a battle of light vs dark and at times it escalates into a war
Quote from: kenshinsimple, theres always a battle of light vs dark and at times it escalates into a war
Always? Have you seen any of these wars?
no i don't mean as in litural fighting, as in competing for more power
Alright, but have you seen any of this?
no, i haven't. i have never seen an astral war
What leads you to believe it then?
why must you question my logic, just that i believe there must of been at least at one stage some kinda battle
OK
Quote from: Magikiawat about the elements u would think that at one time they would of thought they were better then the other???
Huh?
I question your logic because I don't understand why you think that war has to happen on every plane.
If there are battles here, I don't see why there wouldn't be there, as long as there are people in disagreement. Perhaps real-world wars leak over there, through people who relive the fighting in their dreams unconsciously, or people who consciously use their powers to carry a battle to the astral which they may not be able to win in the physical.
The concept seems rather exciting, think of all the flashy transformation attacks and speed you could pull off there!
Of course, I don't know what the fight would be over, other than fighting an enemy who is harming your interests. They don't have much land or resources to conquer do they? If so, it must be people, or the exclusive rights to protect/drain them that is being fought over.
Let's invent Astral Mitsurigi Ryu!
yes, astral fights and wars exist. Try going to the lower astral levels (and I mean the REAL lower astral levels, not the lower astral plane.) These levels are usually made up of planes created by specific deiteies and are, in a sense, various forms of hells. Astral wars go on all the time there.
By the way, that Stuart Wilde guy someone here recommended, he advocates the use of magic mushrooms. Just thought I'd let you know... because I think that takes away any credibility to any claims, since they could possibly be the result of hallucinations and dreams he think are real. I'm sure phasing through walls in astral or hallucination is much easier than in reality.
SpectralDragon, lower astral... as in where demons come from? (or am I getting this confused with the Qippoth aka the Kingdom of Shells?) You've been there?
Quote from: BadwuvSpectralDragon, lower astral... as in where demons come from? (or am I getting this confused with the Qippoth aka the Kingdom of Shells?) You've been there?
For soul retrieval purposes yes i have been there.
Hmm, I just can't help thinking some of this is a bit of an excuse to have anime-like fantasies in reality.
Look at all the avatars of the people talking about this.
'Flashy attacks and speed' --
Quote from: aryanknight666Hmm, I just can't help thinking some of this is a bit of an excuse to have anime-like fantasies in reality.
Look at all the avatars of the people talking about this.
'Flashy attacks and speed' --
We agree on something for once.
Oh please, this is all about fantasy.
Watch 'Unbreakable' some time. If you want it bad enough, even if it's not real, you can create it.
The only problem is, the initiator of any adventure is a villain, so the creator is sadly set in that role, when deep down they wanted to be a hero.
It could be possible to repent and fight your own creations if they get out of control, but only if that was never your original intention at all. If it was, it's not true repentance, and you know you're no hero.
Sadly, the one who would create the fantasy is usually smart enough to realize that he can't over-manufacture it, so he either never creates it because he knows it will never turn that way, or he does despite it, and takes out his anger on the world as a villain, embracing it, but leading to that potential only if he forgets it's a machination of his own creation.
Whee! *has had such thoughts*
For everyone and especially myown culture, could you expand on that? How is an astral war any different from a physical. I can imagine many ways in which they differ or resemble one another, but I'm intrigued by what you have seen (or felt os probably a better word).
Quote from: SpectralDragonyes, astral fights and wars exist. Try going to the lower astral levels (and I mean the REAL lower astral levels, not the lower astral plane.) These levels are usually made up of planes created by specific deiteies and are, in a sense, various forms of hells. Astral wars go on all the time there.
Oh I know Stuart recommends the use of mushrooms. But just like when everyone else says things, you've got to take what is of value to you and leave the rest. Stuart does know a few things and they are worth reading.
Quote from: aryanknight666Hmm, I just can't help thinking some of this is a bit of an excuse to have anime-like fantasies in reality.
Look at all the avatars of the people talking about this.
'Flashy attacks and speed' --
Smart words for someone who claims to worship demons. Anime Freaks vrs Demonizers, hmm, that's an interesting picture.
Let's just say we are all wierd and leave it at that, I am getting tired of seeing all this fad accusation when there really is no reason for it.
Look, just because i like anime doesn't mean I'm one of those "demon war" advocates.(and may I never become one) I'll leave it at that since I don't think we're supposed to get into that. Ummm, yeah, I was wondering about Tyciol, too. You make fighting sound fun?!
Tyciol. I could start a war against those who misspell my name :)
Yes, while I personally have never found fighting fun, my daydreaming, likely inspired by role playing games, anime, and fantasy things like lord of the rings, does.
I cackle with flee when a character I like shows great power and overwhelms his opponent. The heroes in stories never find joy in this power, which means that those of us who hope for it are perhaps, not heroes.
Yet without those who hope for conflict, I don't know... life seems a bit boring. Without open conflict, we only have subtle oppression. When one cannot conquer the subtle, one hopes for the open, where you either win or die. It is the desperation of the weak, and it will likely fade when the solution through proof of power through warfare has been resolved, or something along those lines.
Anyway, I'm off to watch Inu Yasha. Good example :)
Quote from: TyciolTyciol. I could start a war against those who misspell my name :)
I cackle with flee
Speaking of starting wars against those with spelling/grammar mistakes......
Just kidding Tycoil, but you should tone down on that quite a bit, it get's annoying after a while.
I think if people don't stop calling things fads, there will be a fad war.
Flee is an emotion too! :p
Seriously though, hitting one key over isn't dramatic compared to the things I point out.
Especially when they're on purpose *glares*
Quote from: LogicI question your logic because I don't understand why you think that war has to happen on every plane.
did i state that it happens on ever level/plane of the astral realm, all i said that somewhere along the lines in one of the levels of the astral realm there was most likely a war (notibly in the lower realms where there are more negative entities)
I was refering to seperate planes like the astral and physical, not the seperate planes of the astral.
Tyciol,
No offense meant by it, but you sound as if you've never had to fight for anything much, like you live a great deal in your mind.
Yes, and?
I've only gotten in about four real fights, though I did spar a lot in TKD and I fenced... plus I LARPed a bit (hitting each other with padded weapons and stuff) so I know a little, but of course I'm no warrior... yet.
Just an observation...
I didn't mean only fist fights tho, just fighting in general. (as in opposing a force with a great deal at risk and not knowing whether or not you'll win... my definition) Don't know if you meant fist fights, but that's what it sounds like.
Back to the topic... I was reminded of something. If there is conflict between beings in tha astral (both negs and not) and humans in the physical, would these beings then cause conflict amongst themselves?
I would fight more, but being that I nearly got suspended for simply defending myself against several guys, I prefer to avoid violence when possible. Laws and personal injury and all. I can't see those being threats in astral war, so it seems like a nice place to release tension.
QuoteSmart words for someone who claims to worship demons. Anime Freaks vrs Demonizers, hmm, that's an interesting picture.
Let's just say we are all wierd and leave it at that, I am getting tired of seeing all this fad accusation when there really is no reason for it.
Worship demons? I do not and have never claimed that. Now, I'm not going to have a go at you for claiming to speak to the biblical arch angel micheal who tells you about the secrets of the universe, so why have a go at me?
By the way, what the hell is a demonizer? :twisted: I think the word you're searching for is demonolateror :roll: that I will have a go at you about.
Who cares what word you use, it all sounds stupid. If there were demons, I wouldn't worship them. I might work with them and eventually plot to take their power, and that's why they wouldn't want to work with me, so I may as well destroy them.
Quote from: aryanknight666QuoteSmart words for someone who claims to worship demons. Anime Freaks vrs Demonizers, hmm, that's an interesting picture.
Let's just say we are all wierd and leave it at that, I am getting tired of seeing all this fad accusation when there really is no reason for it.
Worship demons? I do not and have never claimed that. Now, I'm not going to have a go at you for claiming to speak to the biblical arch angel micheal who tells you about the secrets of the universe, so why have a go at me?
By the way, what the hell is a demonizer? :twisted: I think the word you're searching for is demonolateror :roll: that I will have a go at you about.
You claimed not only in the micheal thread but in a thread of your own making you worshiped demons. And you, once again, failed to see the point of what I was saying.
Show me a qoute of mine which directly says I worship demons.
Well hell, as long as he doesn't directly attack Man nor Animal nor Gaia herself, why should we bother with him? Gather your own powers and energy so you might not have fear.
"By the way, what the hell is a demonizer?" Demonizer, one who makes someone or thing out to be a demon. (See "Mud Slinging" :lol: )