What IS deja vu?

[LonelyShadow]

Can somebody please explain to me what exactly is deja vu? I've experienced it enough that I just can't dismiss it as any "mis-timing of neural firing" bull.

I'd like to clarify when I say deja vu, I don't mean just a "feeling". I'm talking about what this quote says:
Though the majority of dreams are never remembered, a dreaming person can display activity in the areas of the brain that process long-term memory. It has been speculated that dreams read directly into long-term memory, bypassing short-term memory entirely. In this case, déjà vu might be a memory of a forgotten dream with elements in common with the current waking experience. This may be similar to another phenomenon known as déjà rêvé, or "already dreamed."

Not only is the link to dreams as they pertain to déjà vu the subject of scientific and psychological studies, it is also a subject of spiritual texts, as is found in, for example, in the writings of the Bahá'í Faith with quotes like "...perchance when ten years are gone, thou wilt witness in the outer world the very things thou hast dreamed tonight.and "Behold how the thing which thou hast seen in thy dream is, after a considerable lapse of time, fully realized."

[Sharpe]

Yes, I saw a seminar of a neuropsychologist: Dr. Rhawn Joseph, http://www.brainmind.com/
He has a few vids, maybe he talks about it in there.
But I'll try to explain it how I understood what he said.
It had something to do with the hypothalamous or the hippocampus, hippocampus being the memory area (I vaguely believe it was  )
The info you receive with your senses goes into the angular gyrus i believe.
That is where all the senses come together to form 1 "Idea", like "a big black dog - words" , seeing "a big black dog - eyes" same goes for smell, noise and feeling on your skin.
All this info after that is sent into the hippocampus where it is stored as a memory.
However, if this info is accidently sent twice into your brain you will think you allready KNEW something, so you get "that" feeling.
And that feeling is: Deja-vu.

Hope this helped.

[LonelyShadow]

Yes, I saw a seminar of a neuropsychologist: Dr. Rhawn Joseph, http://www.brainmind.com/
He has a few vids, maybe he talks about it in there.
But I'll try to explain it how I understood what he said.
It had something to do with the hypothalamous or the hippocampus, hippocampus being the memory area (I vaguely believe it was  )
The info you receive with your senses goes into the angular gyrus i believe.
That is where all the senses come together to form 1 "Idea", like "a big black dog - words" , seeing "a big black dog - eyes" same goes for smell, noise and feeling on your skin.
All this info after that is sent into the hippocampus where it is stored as a memory.
However, if this info is accidently sent twice into your brain you will think you allready KNEW something, so you get "that" feeling.
And that feeling is: Deja-vu.

Hope this helped.

I've just read a few of your previous posts. I may be new, but why the hell are you here if you think astral projection among other things are "just in our heads"?

[Sharpe]

Good question.
I like to sadisticly mock people that are dumber than me so I feel better of myself because I didn't get enough attention from my parents.

[kailaurius]

Can somebody please explain to me what exactly is deja vu? I've experienced it enough that I just can't dismiss it as any "mis-timing of neural firing" bull.

I'd like to clarify when I say deja vu, I don't mean just a "feeling". I'm talking about what this quote says:
Though the majority of dreams are never remembered, a dreaming person can display activity in the areas of the brain that process long-term memory. It has been speculated that dreams read directly into long-term memory, bypassing short-term memory entirely. In this case, déjà vu might be a memory of a forgotten dream with elements in common with the current waking experience. This may be similar to another phenomenon known as déjà rêvé, or "already dreamed."

Not only is the link to dreams as they pertain to déjà vu the subject of scientific and psychological studies, it is also a subject of spiritual texts, as is found in, for example, in the writings of the Bahá'í Faith with quotes like "...perchance when ten years are gone, thou wilt witness in the outer world the very things thou hast dreamed tonight.and "Behold how the thing which thou hast seen in thy dream is, after a considerable lapse of time, fully realized."

Hi LonelyShadow,

Here is a quote from Kryon that might help or you might find interesting:

QUESTION: Dear Kryon: What's really happening during the experience known as "déjà vu"?

ANSWER: You're tapping in to the "now" in a very interesting way.

A metaphor: See your reality as a life that has many tracks or potentials that you call "the future." Everything you've done and all those potentials together make up the "whole" of the now experience. In your mind, place this "now experience" in a very large balloon-shaped space, where they're pasted to the inside of the balloon's interior. Now, place yourself in the middle of this balloon and look around. You're now standing in a place where everything you did is there, along with the potentials of everything you might do. There's no predestination, but plenty of avenues of potential. But since you're looking at everything (esoterically), you're "feeling" it, too, and you actually have some kind of interdimensional foreknowledge of what might happen depending on the road you take.

Now, return to 4D. Even though you're sitting there reading these words in normal reality, there's still part of you that's always in that balloon, but you're not aware of it. So when some of these potentials finally happen, there's part of you that says, "I've been there and done that! Wow! Déjà vu!" All that has really happened is that you're just recognizing the potentials you built for yourself, and felt early, which are now manifested into your linear reality.

[Sharpe]

You're kidding right?
Who're you gonna believe, me or... lol, kryon?

[sk8chik]

I've heard that you choose the time and place you're born and all other circumstances such as parents, with a plan of what you will accomplish in that life so that you can plan obstacles you can overcome and lessons you can learn and goals you can accomplish in that lifetime. Of course, with free will and the almost complete disconnection from the divine that accompanies being born into this world, everything doesn't always go as planned, and a feeling of deja vu could be a feeling of a connection with that life plan you made, like a divine moment of an alignment with your higher self.

I like that  but usually when I have deja vu its remembering dreams I had the previous night, which happens all the time to me

[Doringo]

You're kidding right?
Who're you gonna believe, me or... lol, kryon?

Better kryon (even though I don't believe in the channelling sort of thing) than some troll 

[Sharpe]

Meh.

[kailaurius]

I've heard that you choose the time and place you're born and all other circumstances such as parents, with a plan of what you will accomplish in that life so that you can plan obstacles you can overcome and lessons you can learn and

goals you can accomplish in that lifetime.

Hello sk8chik,

I definitely agree with that scenario.  Our higher or inner-self exists within the inner spheres of the mental or higher planes of the Universe where time and space do not exist, so the past, present, and future of our linear existence within the temporal, physical Universe all exist at the same time.  I personally believe our inner-self knows exactly what sort of life we need to choose and what circumstances will occur during each incarnation that can be used in order to learn the proper lessons for our spiritual development.  Therefore I believe our inner-self will choose the location of the planet we will be born on and the parents we will be born into.  I feel like it's a wonderful method of experiencing life on our journey back to the Source.

Of course, with free will and the almost complete disconnection from the divine that accompanies being born into this world, everything doesn't always go as planned

Yeah, and the wonderful thing about free will is that we can take as much time as we need to learn from our experiences while we progress.  There's no deadline, no rush, and no race to the finish line.  I believe there are lots of souls who do not learn from there lessons while incarnated in the physical world and therefore will ultimately have to reincarnate again to hopefully learn from the lessons the next time.  After passing on from the physical world some people enjoy life in the astral realms so much that they will spend many many years related to our temporal existence here on Earth before they realize they eventually need to incarnate to further evolve from learning lessons in the physical world that otherwise they could not have learned while in the astral worlds.

a feeling of deja vu could be a feeling of a connection with that life plan you made, like a divine moment of an alignment with your higher self.

That certainly makes sense, and I feel like that could be a reason for some, or maybe even a lot of the deja vu's we experience.  I've had a few deja vu's as well as synchronicites in my lifetime, but at the moment I don't focus much on them or do any research or investigate on them when they happen as they are not currently part of the exercises and methods I use as my daily routine for my spiritual development.  They do sound interesting though, and I'm sure makes living life in the physical world a little more exciting and mysterious.

[Mez]

I've heard that you choose the time and place you're born and all other circumstances such as parents, with a plan of what you will accomplish in that life so that you can plan obstacles you can overcome and lessons you can learn and goals you can accomplish in that lifetime.

Just out of curiousity where'd you hear that? from who? and where'd they hear it from?

What you've said doesnt really fit in with the model of reincarnation. Things are chosen for you based on your karma and how you lived this life... not as punishment or reward just a nuetral mechanism upon which the wheel of life turns.
Learn more about it here http://www.krishna.com/node/915

[sk8chik]

Well the only difference between the model of reincarnation you mentioned and the one I did is whether the obstacles in life are chosen for you or if you choose them yourself. I think you do choose them yourself, but from the perspective you have not being confined in an earthly body, you can objectively witness what harm or good to the evolution of your soul you did in your previous life and choose lessons in your next life that will move the evolution of your soul in a more positive direction accordingly.

[DH]

Just out of curiousity where'd you hear that? from who? and where'd they hear it from?
What you've said doesnt really fit in with the model of reincarnation. Things are chosen for you based on your karma and how you lived this life... not as punishment or reward just a nuetral mechanism upon which the wheel of life turns.
Learn more about it here http://www.krishna.com/node/915

I've read several models for reincarnation.  The one mentioned by Sk8chik is found in the teachings of Seth and Neale Donald Walsch among many others.

[Mez]

i've heard about the teachings of seth (i dont know what they contain)... where abouts specifically does neal donald walsch mention it? i'd be interested to look that one up. It seems to me the universe is built on a few very solid mechanisms... one being reincarnation. The model of reincarnation that sk8chik mentioned just doesnt stack up... It would seem theres billions upon billions of souls on the earth in every conceivalbe life form, what soul in their right mind would choose to be an ant? what could they learn from it??... or maybe they HAD to be an ant because all the human bodies were taken. Thered be too much contention for the human species so you'd probably get to be a human every once in a million years if you were lucky... This model of reincarnation where you choose what you are and what you do and then reincarnate as such has no order. It would be random and chaotic. I dont believe the universe works randomly or chaotically in ANY way.

you see my point?... it doesnt stack up. Its not "fair". The model of reincarnation in the Bhagavad Gita was spoken by krishna who was an INCARNATION of god over 5000 years ago!... not just some guy talking to god (if it even really was god)

My best guess is theres only one model thats correct. I would love to read up on the others.

[sk8chik]

Being able to choose your incarnation and the universe being non-chaotic are not concepts that can't exist together. Also every animal and plant has its own special consciousness that would be incredible to experience. I know a bit about shamanism and I know that ant energy understands that there is order to the universe and represents faith and being able to work within the higher order of things. So if you had more ant energy, maybe you'd appreciate that those two concepts are don't negate each other 

[DH]

i've heard about the teachings of seth (i dont know what they contain)... where abouts specifically does neal donald walsch mention it? i'd be interested to look that one up. It seems to me the universe is built on a few very solid mechanisms... one being reincarnation. The model of reincarnation that sk8chik mentioned just doesnt stack up... It would seem theres billions upon billions of souls on the earth in every conceivalbe life form, what soul in their right mind would choose to be an ant? what could they learn from it??... or maybe they HAD to be an ant because all the human bodies were taken. Thered be too much contention for the human species so you'd probably get to be a human every once in a million years if you were lucky... This model of reincarnation where you choose what you are and what you do and then reincarnate as such has no order. It would be random and chaotic. I dont believe the universe works randomly or chaotically in ANY way.
you see my point?... it doesnt stack up. Its not "fair". The model of reincarnation in the Bhagavad Gita was spoken by krishna who was an INCARNATION of god over 5000 years ago!... not just some guy talking to god (if it even really was god)
My best guess is theres only one model thats correct. I would love to read up on the others.

Mez,

Walsch's view of reincarnation is found in Home with God: In a Life that Never Ends -- and probably elsewhere.  I haven't read his other books.  Some of these other "nontraditional" views on reincarnation and karma do present an orderly view of the universe.  You would need to read them to get a grasp of their the basic premises, and to see how choosing the details of your incarnations fit in.  The Seth material is a hard read.  You might check out what Adrian, the founder of the Astral Pulse, says about reincarnation in his ebook Our Utlimate Reality. He provides a pretty clear cut view of an alternative model.

[kailaurius]

You might check out what Adrian, the founder of the Astral Pulse, says about reincarnation in his ebook Our Utlimate Reality. He provides a pretty clear cut view of an alternative model.

I agree.  Adrian has an excellent 21 page chapter on reincarnation.  I would love to directly quote some of the chapter here, but I feel a little leery about doing that without his permission.  Maybe Adrian could do that himself if he happens to see this post.  That might not be likely though as I here he is quite busy converting his ebook version of "Our Ultimate Reality" to a text book version.  If anyone is really curious maybe they could send Adrian a message to stop by and give his thoughts on the topic of reincarnation.  Or like DH said you could just get the book.  Personally I would highly recommend getting the book.  In my opinion "Our Ultimate Reality" is the most enlightening book I have ever read and well worth the read.

[sk8chik]

haha cool I'd be interested in that. Does Adrian post here? I joined this forum just because it discussed metaphysical topics and I'm still not entirely sure what its for (I guess as support/discussion for books by this author?) I'd like to take a look at that book. Also yeah, Seth stuff is very heavy. Its not my bible (faaar from it) but I'm fairly certain his view on the universe is compliant with my view that you have a choice in carnation in an orderly unchaotic universe.

[DH]

In my opinion "Our Ultimate Reality" is the most enlightening book I have ever read and well worth the read.

It ranks up there as one of my favorite metaphysical books.  You don't have to agree with all that he says to appreciate what he's done to make these principles more accessible.

Also, Adrian is easier to reach on his other forum Our Ultimate Reality.  He has responded personally to some of my questions through OUR.  He may well be working on a time consuming project right now, but I know he has been generous with his time in the past.

DH

[sk8chik]

Yeah its a neat thing, I've found its actually surprisingly interesting to get the attention of quasi-celebrities. They're actually often more than willing to converse with you and are often flattered. I've e-mailed several quasi-celebs I'm fans of for advice, just for fun, and they actually responded which was so cool I go to a lot of music gigs, and generally people assume that you just can't talk to the band after the show... thinking maybe they're too big or something, or that's just not the way it works. Anyway, I go for it anyway and I've wound up meeting tons of my favorite musicians.

[DH]

[ :-Duasi-celebs I'm fans of for advice, just for fun, and they actually responded which was so cool I go to a lot of music gigs, and generally people assume that you just can't talk to the band after the show... thinking maybe they're too big or something, or that's just not the way it works. Anyway, I go for it anyway and I've wound up meeting tons of my favorite musicians.
[/quote]

It never hurts to try.  One time I emailed William Buhlman (wrote some great stuff on OBE like Secrets of the Soul} just for the heck of it.  Got his general email off of his website.  He was supposed to be living temporarily in China, so I didn't expect to hear from him -- but surprise! surprise!  He wrote me a very thoughtful email regarding a question I had.  Maybe was getting bored in Shanghai!   

BTW -- we are getting WAY off topic now!

[sk8chik]

Well the topic is done. I've already given a perfect description of deja vu. 

jk but I like it when threads go way off topic, its interesting.

[Mez]

you know i've been pondering both of these models of reincarnation for a while now and i've come to one conclusion. They both exist simultaneously. What we're really doing is looking at the same picture with a different lens...a different map of concrete reality if you like.

Model One - An individuals next incarnation is determined by how that individual lived their previous life.
Based on actions taken and their pending reactions (Karma)

Model Two - After death an individual chooses their next incarnation and its circumstances.

The one universal mechanism that I am 100% certain of is the law of attraction (thought = action/like attracts like) its really the one thing that makes everything tick (i was glad to find frank mention it in his phasing resource).  Now if you apply this principle to both our models of reincarnation they are in essence exactly the same. Ones thoughts will determine ones future. There is no denying that.

Take a minute to think DEEPLY about the nature of the law of attraction. Whatever you think will manifest. Here in the physical there is a buffer of time and space so the law isnt quite apparent. However at other levels of conciousness IE F2/F3 there is no buffer of time and space and whatever you think can manifest instantly.

Once you have physically died you have shifted your primary focus to focus 3. Take into account your belief system and desires (all concious and subconcious) being applied to the law of attraction at the time of death.

say you were thinking "I dont want to die" this may cause you to reincarnate.
say you were thinking of your dog this may cause you to reincarnate as a dog.
say you were thinking of "heaven" this may cause you to wind up in whats known as a "hollow heaven"
say you died without knowing you died you may go on living your life... in focus 3 (not knowing your dead)

all of these things point to both models and indeed more existing simultaneously. HOWEVER... getting it right according to what you want is a little more tricky but of course possible and in fact should be a life long goal.

Im going to cite some examples of things that support my overall theory and its conclusion.

In the Bhagavad Gita Krishna says:
"whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail"
This has law of attraction written all over it.

"when he dies in the mode of ignorance he takes birth in the animal kingdom"
I believe whats being said here on a deeper level should be taken to mean
"One who stays firmly attached to the physical world (due to spiritual ignorance) with his thoughts focused only on the physical can ONLY reside in the physical world"
This fits in with the law of attraction perfectly. If one never thinks of whats beyond the physical it cannot manifest in ones existence. It also has another implication... subconciously your major attachments to your physical possesions may (regarldess of belief system?) cause you to reincarnate into a physical existence.

Many religions talk about means of salvation... logically one who follows these and takes the neccessary actions to achieve salvation (or transcendance) will subconciously (or possibly conciously) expect to pass over and go "heaven". I believe that their strong belief of going to heaven will cause them to subconciously release any permanent attachment to their physical possesions causing them not to reincarnate (or not in the physical at least?)

So in conclusion neither model is concrete but both hold truth however its far from black and white. The result of what happens to you upon death will be the sole result of the law of attraction. Be careful what you wish for.

[Embodied Words]

I'm reading Robert Monroe's books right now, and this one character (?) like... decided what TIME PERIOD to be reincarnated in. That gives lots more possibilities to be reincarnated as. I love Robert Monroes books. ^.^

-Edric

[iNNERvOYAGER]

In my experience, deja vu is the recollection of a dream of the future.

I have the dream, (a vivid dream that I take note of and remember)  then days, weeks, or months later, a situation arises, I remember the dream, and can even predict the course of a conversation. I also get that weird hair standing on the neck feeling when it happens.

The problem I have is that the situations are never big significant events, but just unimportant awkward conversations that I've remembered from the dream, then I change what I say and avoid hurting someones feelings or defuse a misunderstanding.