Astral Interface

[Psan]

Hi,
This is my first post here How are you all...

The reason for posting is that nowadays I'm onto something, and you must have guessed it from the topic.....that I'm trying to create an Astral Interface.

Most of you are aware of many methods to communicate with entities in 'other worlds', like pendulums/human mediums/EVP and the most direct one - i.e. OBE. Now we all know from our first hand experiences and experts accounts that all these methods are very unreliable, erratic and accessible to a few fortunate ones.

My wish is to create a device which will be very reliable, accurate and will not need years of practice to operate. It will be a kind of material-astral communication device - an interface between material and astral world.

I don't mean to do this overnight, by just some magic, but by using a scientific method. And I don't want to do it secretly, and want help of anyone who is interested in this matter. At most I'd fail but there is no harm in trying sincerely once. Is there?

Btw I'm an Electronics and Telecom engineer with additional knowledge of computers and programming languages. I'd devote my free time and resources to construct such a device, and I'd like anyone, who's interested, to join hands.

Now why use artificial means to access the mysterious, when you have a mental ability to do so? Perhaps we'll know something important which will accelerate personal growth of a not so gifted person. If we attempt the communication using various methods, perhaps we can succeed in some of them. Just like we are doing in
the fields of AI and ALife. If we shoot many arrows from many directions, perhaps we will be able to hit the target sooner. The target is only one - gaining more and more knowledge of the 'other worlds'.

Now the plan -
Find out something physical which can be affected in some manner by both physical and astral beings, it will be a transducer. (for example - a microphone is a transducer which translates sound into electrical signals)

Then arrange a setup like this -

Physical Information <--> Encoding/Decoding <--> Transducer <--> Encoding/Decoding <--> Astral Information

Physical info can be written or spoken words. Astral info can be something which astral beings can very easily percieve. We need a transducer which at least has two distinct states both in astral and physical, for a start. So we can use binary encoding. But more complex transducers with multiple states can also work.

The setup actually depends on the kind of transducer. The part on the right of transducer must be created by astral engineers or a physical engineer who can astral travel. So we need collaboration between physical and astral engineers here. My guess is that they are better equipped than us, and wont find any difficulty doing it.

Who will tell them to do this? Perhaps one of our gifted members. He will find out interested entities on the other side and seek their help. Once a prototype is assembled, which can be a dot-dash telegraphy kind of system, we can proceed to more complex systems.

Some day I hope to create a device which will relay visuals from the astral to the physical - an astral TV may be

I'll post the design document soon, and more detail plan in next reply, as this one is getting long. Meanwhile all ideas, bright and dull, are most welcome.

[Psan]

My past attempt :

Having read that EVP uses noisy tapes and some ambient noise to get the voices on tape, I tried to find out the reason. The only guess they could make was that spirits could affect the ambient noise slightly and produce some voice etc. In absence of any noise, you get a blank tape, mostly.

Although I was somewhat doubtful of this theory, because you can hear a lot of things on a noisy tape which are made up by our brains unconsciously, in its  desperate attempt to figure out the meaning of sound....; I tried to setup a somewhat similar thing, a few months back.

I used a capacitor type microphone attached to a PC soundcard, these can be sufficiently noisy. Then I wrote a program in VC++ to analyze the sound samples. It outputted a small blue square on a black background in  rows with time, and whenever noise value deviated from the mean-square value by some small amount, it changed to yellow. So you get a pattern of blue and yellow on the screen.

Then I took my pendulum and explained the thing in air, to anyone who is listening in astral, and requested some communication.Hoping that a spirit trying to communicate will see the yellow square if he affects the noise in microphone and will try to create a meaningful pattern on the screen (like a letter/word), I let it run for many nights.

I did get yellow squares on the screen...but in a random manner. I got them again in a similar way when I did not request any communication. So everything remained inconclusive.

Perhaps it was too complex for the spirits

[malim]

I am sure we are in a big hologram, and the astral and physical are seperated by fine frequencies, there are barriers in this hologram which can be penetrated and visited with the right force, and I think that force is gravity.

Just like water, I think gravity can also carry information, and gravity isn't just up and down, but can be controlled in any direction.

I think we will need some kind of special machine, which can send out signals into multiple dimensions all at once, the human brain is a perfect transducer capable of decoding signals from the astral and other planes.

Until we can unnderstand the human brain 100%, i doubt we will build a machine. The signals we are trying to interprety are broadcasting in different waves or frequencies, but we need some special machine to grab it, the information is in the here and now after all.

-malim

[Tom]

If you look into the studies of chi kung masters, there was infrasound, infrared light, and some electromagnetic energy involved when they sent energy. The problem is that there was only a tiny bit of each, but there was a definite pattern to it. It takes very sensitive equipment to reliably pick up on and amplify this to useful levels. It hasn't been decided if these physical energies are side effects of the chi moving or if they are the chi, but my guess is that they are side effects of the higher dimensional energy passing through the physical. I also read along the way that infrasound will tend to travel along the meridians in the body rather than spreading out evenly through it. Itzhak Bentov had a theory than environmental exposure to 7 Hz sound combined with a sufficiently developed nervous system could account for spontaneous kundalini activation. As you have probably guessed, I followed up on infrasound more than the infrared or the electromagnetic. There was an interesting study involving putting magnets to one side of the head, though, which produced resonances in the body similar to what the infrasound accomplished. Magnets sound easier to create and work with than infrasound.

[Leannain]

that'd be sweet .i wish you good luck with that

[Psan]

the human brain is a perfect transducer capable of decoding signals from the astral and other planes.

Until we can understand the human brain 100%, i doubt we will build a machine. The signals we are trying to interprety are broadcasting in different waves or frequencies, but we need some special machine to grab it, the information is in the here and now after all.

-malim

That's right.
The human brain is a natural transducer for such signals, which can tune into those signal at moments. Its also possibly true that the signals are already there, we don't have necessary means to grab it.
Although its abundant, the main problem with brain is that it is attached to a human , which makes it a most unreliable device. But its the only key we have right now. Meanwhile a lot of scientists are busy hacking it, so hopefully someday we would be able to isolate and mimic its interface.

For now I'm searching for alternative means, which are purely objective. I'm also dependent on non-physical beings for cooperation. Right now I don't have any means of contact to start the collaboration.

my guess is that they are side effects of the higher dimensional energy passing through the physical.

If that's true than that's what we need ! The non-physical 'energies' producing a detectable physical effect....and we have a useful transducer. But from your description it seems that again human brain is involved in the process.

that'd be sweet .i wish you good luck with that

Thanks

[Tom]

In the case of the tests I was writing about, the human involved was the source of the energy used for the test. It was difficult then, with a chi kung master involved. It will be even more difficult to find the naturally occuring levels of energy and to study patterns in them, but it is entirely possible and it is constantly becoming more likely.

[You]

This is incredibly interesting, when you do get it working be sure to submit it to that million dollar challenge. Not only will you be the first to prove the validity of astral projection but you'll have finances for your future projects, or more likely be able to pay off the debts you incurred in building this one.

The big difficulty in using your transducer is finding a kind of energy that astrals can effect and that you can isolate in a closed environment. The only devices I've heard of that can measure it are those special aura cameras (I'd think you'd need an aura video recorder for continual measurement), and maybe some kind of electrical field monitor thingy... I haven't looked into it but it does sound like psi has some electrical components.

[Tom]

Kirlian photography uses strong electrical currents to take pictures of the aura, but I have not heard about making motion pictures of them. If you can take 24 frames per second, that works well enough.

There are chi machines which radiate out energy. It does not have to be guided by a human mind. This would be perfect for testing purposes, because it is consistent and can produce the same results from one test to another.

[Psan]

Tyciol,
I'd get a Million $ per week if I patent it
As far as I know the aura camera(Kirlian) takes pictures of 'aura' of living things. Can it also register spirits?
Btw, the phantom leaf effect, proved by Kirlian photography, demonstrates that physical living things have ethereal bodies. So when you cut off half of the leaf , the aura photo still shows a full leaf. (But Randi would say its science )

Tom,
I googled for chi machines and found some exercising/fitness stuff. Is that the same thing?

[Tom]

Most of the stuff is applied to exercise, fitness, and meditation. There are devices which are created to just emanate energy, though, and this is the kind of thing you would want to use. Another key word is orgone; there was a device called an orgone accummulator. In any case, this is just a starting point. It is a step toward measurable effects due to energy.

[-lines-]

Kirlian photography uses strong electrical currents to take pictures of the aura, but I have not heard about making motion pictures of them. If you can take 24 frames per second, that works well enough.

There are chi machines which radiate out energy. It does not have to be guided by a human mind. This would be perfect for testing purposes, because it is consistent and can produce the same results from one test to another.

I thought that Kirlian photography wasn't necessarily taking pictures of auras. This is the one that you can place your hand onto an slightly electricized plate and take of picture of the way the electricity looks around your hand? I heard that it was actually taking pictures of the naturally occuring electrical fields/signal that the sweat in your hand will produce on contact with electricity.

[Tom]

So far as I'm concerned, Kirlian photography isn't very interesting compared to other ways of detecting energy.

[Psan]

Orgone spits up many interesting links, thanks. Looks similar to the pyramid energy. The iron pipe wrapped with a toilet paper is simple enough
They say it produces a beam of energy. We can send a signal by switching the beam on and off, but its very difficult to know if a spirit can see this energy by any means.
Such experiments are difficult to carry out without a spirit friend  
But given that right now there are no other options I'll consider it.

-lines-
People generally equate all those things i.e.
Aura = etheric body = electromagnetic body = em field of the body.
I guess something more than a simple interaction of electric fields is going on, otherwise a half leaf would show only a half 'aura'.

[Nightwolf]

If I understand this correctly what you need is something that is between the physical and the astral the matter that exists between the too.  Well if thats what you need then I know what it is...

Exotic Matter.

Ever heard of it?  Well this is what they need to travel faster than light travel, too.  Well to cut to the juicy center of my post is that what you need is ORMUS or ORME for (Orbitally Rearranging Monoatomic Elements)

A good crash course in this would be this website...
http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/hudson/index.html

Plus I would extremely advice into listening to David Hudson Lectures that are in pieces and in MP3 format on that page as well.  Listen to the tapes they are very good.  Well hope this helps you out you know I've also dreamed of such a device.  

[Psan]

Thanks Nightwolf,
That was interesting stuff, never heard before.
I heard all the mp3 lectures of him, very interesting.....
ORME seems to be promising for antigravity etc, but I couldn't understand how is it in between astral and physical?
And how can we use it as transducer?

[Nightwolf]

I really am not to sure what a transducer from what I can deduce from the name it seems to be like the object that unites us from the physical to the astral... am I right?  If not then I'm mistaken.

But if that thought of mine is correct if you listen to the tapes you will hear him say about ... 4/9's of the weight.  I believe thats the right ratio.  Anyways if you learn more about ormus you will also learn that its the part that is also in the human body.  Especially the mind.  Like 5% of it is ormus.  Well its the part that unites us with the astral.  Just look into the microtubel I think thats how its spelled but its in the center of each cell that unites our body.  Anyways if I had your background in that knowledged thats where I'd look into  

[Psan]

Yes, he talks about it being manifesting only 56% of its weight. It being invisible at certain temperatures etc...strange properties. He also says that cooper pairs  flows like light inside it. Its a superconductor at room temperature. Its there in our body, he claims, so we have a 'light body' made up of cooper pairs flowing without resistance......now that can be called 'astral matter', but I would not jump to conclusions so soon

Roger Penrose proposed the Microtubule theory in his shadows of the mind book, but never mentioned ORME, iirc.

I did some search and some people mention that eating it can give you spiritual powers, they are normally present in everyday food though.

http://www.handpen.com/Bio/alchemy.htm

So I guess that if brain is a transducer and uses ORME to convert non-physical energies into physical, we can have a device that mimics this. That gives me some important clues.

[Nightwolf]

EXACTLY!!!  

Indeed about Microtubule but I dont know if Roger Penrose knew about ormus... plus more evidence to this is given in the lecture, if I recall he says that they know information travels faster than they thought in the body.  Faster than electrons... so what they concluded was that the body itself created micro wormholes that passed the information from one place to another.  Anyways keep me informed on how your experimentation is going on.  I would be very very very interested!  

Like my email is ...
ormus_nightwolf@yahoo.com

[Psan]

It would be very difficult to find such substances, but I'll keep you updated on any progress. I should look for natural sources. Perhaps plants or insects can act as transducers too. I heard that plants respond to thoughts and it can be measured by some meter. Must be something to do with ormus.

So I need to setup the plant, astral project there and try to get a reading. Thats a lot of work

[Nightwolf]

Well dont give up hope... Ormus is in everthing its in the trees the rocks the earth the animals everything.  Its all around us... its in the air.  This is not just ancient alchemy they actually made gold grow!  So it has been proven not directly but indirectly for those who know what they are looking for.  

Bah... I have to check on my old hard drive but I do have a link to where a bunch of scientists are working antigravity with the use of Ormus and they had made it into a fiber... Forgot the link though I'm going to ask Barry for it.  

[Nightwolf]

The web site is

http://www.gctspace.com/main.html

Talk to them I know that their technology is based off of the ormus.  So maybe they can give you a few pointers.

[Psan]

Nightwolf,
Many thanks to you for that link. Its good to know that scientists are taking it so seriously. Btw I sent him an Email asking some questions and his views about the subject here. I'll post his reply here if possible.

From your email id, I guess that you are also involved in this stuff. Am I right? Then let us know whats it about.
And who is Berry?

[Nightwolf]

Indeed.  I am quite the avid enthusist about ormus.  I always tell my friends about it.  Not only because it has alchemical historic background but because I believe its the piece of science that will bridge the gap between spirituality and science.

Barry is the guy in charge of an email forum and of a good website on the subject.  His website is...

   http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/whatisit.htm

and if you wish to subscribe to the email form just give him an email at...

   whitegold-list@zz.com

I've been into this stuff for about some years, most of the stuff that I know is from the forum and from the science articles behind it.  It relates to other topics on this forum too.  If you noticed there is a post about the Zero Point Vector in here, and with ormus those scientists have been working with it.

I myself personally Love both aspects of it.  The spiritual and the science of it although I'm still a college student, so I'm still a newbie on a few things like alchemy dont know much about its historical properties but I am learning as I live  

[Psan]

No reply from the gct guys yet. Barry's site is extensive and I'm still reading it on and off. Lot of info really.