Wow this sure sounds like an interesting book. I might have to get myself a copy. Stuart Wilde has said similar things about the Universe and that we are fractal beings. It is unclear to me what he means by this exactly, but I find the idea interesting.
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Originally posted by Adrian
Greetings everyone,
I have enjoyed the considerable pleasure of reading "Understanding the Grand Design" by Joachim Wolf, and would like to reproduce here my review at Amazon.com.
I cannot recommend this book highly enough to anyone at all who is interested in a modern perpspective of this multi-dimensional Universe. Joachim's work does not repeat the age-old wisdom, but rather confirms it from an entirely new, and in my view entirely accurate perspective.
The book is available from Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1553955676/qid=1082726787/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-5187506-9215251?v=glance&s=books
Or directly from the publisher: http://www.trafford.com
With best regards,
Adrian.
Amazon review: Understanding the Grand Design, Joachim Wolf:
Understanding the Grand Design, March 14, 2004
Reviewer: Adrian P. Cooper (see more about me) from Isle of Man, British Isles.
The truth nature of the Universe and the destiny of mankind has been taught from time immemorial by many great Masters and teachers throughout the world. It is only in more recent years however that the modern sciences and in particular those within the field of quantum physics have been arriving at, and thus verifying the same Universal truths, emphasising the fact that there is ultimately only one reality.
In this excellent and unique book, "Understanding the Grand Design", Joachim Wolf has produced an exceptional work that takes a modern quantum metaphysical perspective of the nature of the multi-dimensional Universe and how it relates to life and mankind. Understanding the Grand Design performs an excellent job of bridging the gap between the timeless Spiritual view of the multi-dimensional Universe and the most recent views of quantum physics, and does so in a way that is highly readable and understandable without being overly scientific or esoteric.
Understanding the Grand Design focuses in particular on the Holographic view of the Universe, a metaphor originally put forward by quantum metaphysicist David Bohm who presented a model of the Universe as a "holomovement", analogous to a fluid hologram comprising explicate and implicate orders. In his book, Joachim Wolf has done an outstanding job of taking this holographic view of the Universe and by means of his "holon" model applying it in very clear and understandable terms in order to explain its significance and importance to everything and everyone in the Universe. This book explains in detail such aspects as the nature of space and time, group entities, the cosmic holarchy, who we are, multiple worlds, multi-dimensional communication, creating your own reality and experiencing multi-dimensional reality.
To anyone interested in their own multi-dimensional nature, that of the Universe, and the significance of these to all mankind, Understanding the Grand Design is a unique and exceptional work, and one which will surely have a profound impact on the thinking of these most important subjects. This book is without doubt a "must read" for anyone and everyone interested in all aspects of Spirituality, the timeless truths and nature of the Universe, modern quantum physics, and indeed for all those interested in the reality of the Universe and the meaning of life.
Thank -u- for u'r suggestion Adrian. I'll check the book out.!.
May I ask -u- how -u- became interested in the ( for lack of a better word ) paranormal???
Metaphysics; Can anyone really understand the Grand Design of the Universe? If knowledge is power. Why then when one has power do they forget 'bout the steps which led them to the knowledge? It's hard to remember the daily hint's which lead us to a conclusion. ( without sweeting the small stuff !?!)
I understand that math is contained within the right hemisphere. there only so much our human brain can handle? So then could or do we use our spiritual brain as a back up & do we understand thus side of our brain???
This thought started out to be a question & turned into more of a ponderence.!? Any thoughts using our spiritual brain?
Thank-u-, Complexette[:)]
Greetings Complexette,
Our organic brain has two primary purposes; to control our organic body, and to function as an interface with our higher bodies through the mediation of the Astral and Mental matrix.
As immortal, spirtual beings we are multi-dimensional with the Universe as a whole, that is to say we have an infinite number of Mental or Spiritual bodies beyond the physical, etheric or energy body, and the Astral body which is the Soul. The Mental Body is pure mind and is the ultimate origin of all thought, the plane of ideas from where we receive inspiration for example. Our memories of all lives are stored in our Causal body of the Akasha, or Ether, or God.
What seem like inventions in the physical world often originate in the Mental planes, the plane of "ideas" where they have always existed in the eternal now, and passed to individuals who, by their profession are receptive to them, through the Mental and then the Astral matrix to be received, interepreted and acted upon by the human brain.
Joachim's book, Understanding the Grand Design, does a superb job of explaining this in non esoteric, scientific terms.
I would encourage everyone to purchase this excellent book to provide a different and accurate perspective on the "Grand Design".
With best regards,
Adrian.
Thanks Adrian, I'll check it out.
I've become more and more aware recently that mathematical physics and its theories about our physical universe are crazier than any "new age" ideas of telepathy, clairvoyance or astralprojection could ever be. Mathematical physics also now incorporates ideas of multiple dimensions and parallel universes. So the physicists will get there eventually...?!
How long did you study Theosophy?
catmeow
I don´t think math can explain reality. We can´t even explain how a thought - "move my thumb" are started. Where is the starting shot? We have to zoom in to quantum levels? Then do we have control over what happens there or are thoughts random?
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if god made math- then how can we understand her?
here's another thought for you
does math exist because we've noticed patterns within nature- or does math exist because we evolved logical brains and are "begging the question?"
knowledge is only important to animals without instincts
our search for truth is driven by our desire to find out what will eat us and what will not- where we can get food and where we can't.
therefore, to an immortal, enlightened being, truth is no more important than illusion
The responses to Adrian's review amuse me, as I see there a familiar rift between those who are content to explore without maps, and those who carry geological surveys wherever they go...
However, at this site I believe most members are explorers of some kind, only differing in technique. Myself, I love a beautiful map and study it well before I go on without it.[8)]
no doubt that this author has some interesting insights- i have no idea what i was doing earlier... it involved alcohol and procrastination
Just out of curiosity I went to the amazon place and saww under the...
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Has anyone bought this?
Nightwolf, I have this really strange feeling that this Ultra Yoga site is either fake/fraud OR a mishmash of stuff thrown together. Why do I think this? The site apart from some blatent mis-spellings etc just oozes outrageous over the top promises, guarantees and hype. It has this "please trust us we are telling the truth" fake quality about it.
I just had to comment :-)
Adrian, thanks for the info about this book. I will get it and probably compare it to Bohm and Talbot. Yes it does seem that we are RTT's(receivers, transformers, transmitters). Interesting isn't it? just what people receive(or claim to), and what and how we transform and transmit? I am interesteed if Joachim Wolf has concluded that their is no conclusion. If not, I'll have to write him and take issue with him.
Karnautrahl, thanks for the warning about guruitis or whatever you called it. It's people like you who help to keep us free.
I am glad scientists are finally bridging the gap ovber to spirituality instead of continuing as full bodded atheist/agnostics with a cold hard impersonal universe out there.
This book is based on theory of course. As I am reading Astral Dynamics(Akashic records and Astral planes part) and RB says he only is telling it like it is. I would wonder how this new book compares with RBs description of the Universe from his own personal experience or with experience of other astral travellers.
I just consider where Einstein got his ideas. He just imagined himself riding on a beam of light and then deducted relativity from his "Astral experience". Obviously he got his ideas from when he was out of body and direct memories or shadow memories were saved in the abstract into his brain in the form of general and specific relativity theories which he had to somehow explain in abstract mathematics.
Hello everyone,
I have just submitted my review of Joachim's awesome book to amazon. Their site said that it may take several days for it to post so I thought I would put it here.[:D]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1553955676/qid=1082726787/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-5187506-9215251?v=glance&s=books
It is also available from the publisher at,
http://www.trafford.com
I have just finished reading Joachim Wolf's book "understanding the Grand Design", and simply have to share it with the other readers. Jo is an educated scientist. He takes a very scientific approach with his knowledge of Quantum Physics and combines it with modern day Metaphysics.
He takes the teachings of histories greatest minds such as Jesus, Buddha, Plato, Emerson and Eienstein. And combines the teachings of modern day visionaries such as Deepak Chopra, Dr. Wayne Dyer, Neal Donald Walsch and Steven Hawking into a comprehensible and easy to read book.
He answers some of the greatest questions throughout history, raises new questions, and then answers them just as eloquently.
His book explains that our concepts of space and time, are just that our concepts. That they do not really exist outside of our perception of them. That we all live in an unlimited number of dimensions and then explores the concepts of our ability to interact in a multidimensional Universe. He then takes you into an exact method of how we each can go back into our own unique pasts, and affect change in our lives today and for tomorrow.
Modern science and their scientists are proving that we are not alone, that we are immortal by proving that reincarnation is real, that one thing can exist in more than one place at a time, and that everything is One. As everything is divided infinitely when viewed from one view point. It all comes back down to One when looked at from the opposite view point. We, and everything else are spiritual. We are all part of One.
An absolute must read for anyone interested in expanding their own spiritual awareness, and wanting to know more about how the Universe really works.
Thank you very much for your ringing endorsement, Thelou!
When I sent you my book in exchange for your participation in its discussion, I expected your questions about its content and my subsequent effort to get my points across. Yet, you are very kindly responding with an overwhelming praise not only in this forum but also in amazon! I certainly appreciate your surprising review [:)].
Now, are you sure that everything is so crystal-clear in my book that we don't need to talk about it any more?
My best wishes to you, thelou,
Jo.
Hi Jo,
Thank you. The one thing that my life is dedicated to is learning more about how our subconscious thoughts affect everything around us. I know that everything no matter what is a result of our own beliefs.
Death, sickness, poverty, health, prosperity, what ever label we want to think is in our lives because of the thoughts we give it, and our emotions in relation to it. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ACCIDENT. Everything happens by "Design".
I am trying to get a better grasp on how to use or conscious thoughts, to override our subconscious thoughts, and manifest in the physical.
Both scientists in Japan, and the US discovered that their thoughts could alter how subatomic particles operated at the same time. On opposite sides of the Earth. Just like the Okinawa monkeys in your book.
How can man use his intellectual understanding of how the Universe works, and make it happen in RTZ?
Thank you Jo,
Hello Thelou,
You are asking two questions:
1.) How do our subconscious thoughts affect our environment?
2.) How can I control my thoughts to create the experiences I want?
One of the multi-dimensional (spiritual) laws is the law of attraction, which simply states that like attracts like. We know that no physical distance exists in the multi-dimensional environment. Physicists call this "nonlocality". So it is relatively easy for wide-spread situations to pop into your experience when they correspond to your mindset.
We need to understand that we actually live in an environment that has many more dimensions than our three space dimensions. Our eyes, and therefore our daytime conscious mind, do not perceive the many dimensions beyond our three. This is our human limitation. In the "real" multi-dimensional reality, all imaginable and unimaginable situations exist already potentially as possible events in our space and time. Your unconscious mindset "looks" into this vast selection of possible but yet unrealized events and automatically tunes into those that resonate with your mindset. In doing so, you activate these events in your space and time. It's like having a camera with a color filter, say red, and you take a picture of a colorful scene. You end up having only the red items on your picture. Thus, you convert the multi-color (multi-dimensional) scene into a single color (3-D) reality.
The color filter represents your mindset that is composed of all your thoughts, beliefs, opinions, desires, intentions, and phobias. At any one moment, you have only one thought in your conscious mind. All other contents of your mindset are in the background and seem to be hidden, perhaps so much that you think they are beyond your reach. You are so accustomed to this mindset that you tend to ignore it and you call it "subconscious". Yet, it is there alive, below your present awareness, and it does its job of filtering out your personal share of the infinite multi-dimensional reality. As a result, your personal environment is a physical reflection of your inner mindset. You can use this reflection as a mirror, so to speak, to give you clues about what is really in your mind and changes you may want to make.
I have described how to change your mindset in Chapter 10 of my book, and it would be too much to repeat here. Suffice it to say that you can sort out your personal beliefs, opinions, etc. by writing them down, one at a time. Then you decide which ones cause experiences that you dislike. After that, you formulate new beliefs that you want to adopt instead of the undesirable ones. Finally, you use autosuggestion to permanently implant these new beliefs in your mindset. It is not a matter of "overriding subconscious thoughts" but of replacing undesirable thought patterns with desirable ones.
This process requires some self-discipline, which could well be one of the new beliefs to be adopted. I can tell you from my own experience, Thelou, that this process is very advantageous. You clear your mind of clutter and you know much better "what you want". Most importantly, you get much more out of your life. You literally can create "paradise" for yourself. It did so for us, my wife and me.
I wish you good luck with creating your own reality, Thelou [:)]
Jo.
Ok Jo, something else I have wondered about.
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This is our human limitation. In the "real" multi-dimensional reality, all imaginable and unimaginable situations exist already potentially as possible events in our space and time
I have a theory that I have formed from the readings of many different authors that expands on this ever further. Every time we make a decision in our waking lives lets say that there are two possible outcomes. Get married, don't. Do this, don't. What ever. Lets say for the sake of argument that I am trying to decide if I want to wear a brown shirt, or a white one. Hypothetically the object of decision is not relevant but this one is easy to visualize.
I weigh the options in my mind and decide on the brown shirt. Off I go in my "very own personal Universe" wearing a brown shirt for the day.
At the same time, instantly unaware to us, in our no-limit multidimensional universe. A parallel me picked the white shirt. And that person goes forward in their day wearing the white shirt.
Both totally unaware of each other.
It seems un-probable to the human conscious mind. But then again so does parallel universes seem equally un-probable to the human conscious mind.
Only with expansion can come understanding.
The argument for;
The real and true purpose for our being here is for one, and only one reason. So that All That Is, and experience physicality through us.
Would the One only want to experience what ever our limited minds can decide for that day. Would not the One want to experience all of our possible, or probable outcomes?
If God can create a universe with unlimited dimensions, does it not seem logical that God could create unlimited outcomes of any situation, and allow all of them to happen in the same instantaneous moment of now?
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This process requires some self-discipline, which could well be one of the new beliefs to be adopted. I can tell you from my own experience, Thelou, that this process is very advantageous. You clear your mind of clutter and you know much better "what you want". Most importantly, you get much more out of your life. You literally can create "paradise" for yourself. It did so for us, my wife and me.
This is an absolute truth in my humble opinion. I have learned the hard way, that we intentionally attract events into our lives, that at the time we call bad.
But upon reflection during those times of life we usually have not learned that our thoughts are magnetic. So we do not attempt to watch over them.
In truth having a bad experience is a wonderful gift if we can but understand what the gift is.
What better way for the thinking man to decide what he does want than by a review of what he does not?
Thank you for your time Jo.
I would also greatly appreciate the input of the others on this forum. I have a feeling that if several people get involved this could become a very deep topic.[:D]
Hi Thelou,
The scenario of branching life histories for the same person whenever he/she decides between alternate possible actions is described in much detail by Jane Roberts in her channeled Seth book "The Nature of Personal Reality". For us this concept seems to be so mind boggling as to be virtually unacceptable. Every time you decide between different options, you start a parallel universe that plays out the option that you did not choose.
However, from a quantum metaphysics point of view, this makes perfect sense, because all these myriad parallel universes already exist potentially in multi-dimensional reality. If you remember, I compared this situation in my book with taking pictures of a tree. The tree is three-dimensional whereas the pictures have only two dimensions. By viewing the tree from different directions, you literally can choose from an infinite number of different views from which to take pictures. You need only one single tree in 3-D, yet there is no limit to how many 2-D aspects you can "create". Quantum Metaphysics postulates that we live in an environment with many more dimensions than three and that this multi-dimensional (M-D) reality is full of M-D phenomena that we do not perceive directly because our senses are only suited for 3-D. We see only one 3-D aspect at a time.
I can imagine that our physical body is one such specific aspect of a higher-dimensional "astral body", or whatever we want to call it. From a higher viewpoint, the different physical bodies would be like shadows of one "real" M-D body. We already know that the seemingly solid appearance of our physical body is an illusion when you consider that most space is empty between subatomic particles. And the different bodies could not see each other because they occupy different dimensions.
You mentioned the desirability of the One (God) to experience all possible variations of a situation. Don't forget that you are just as interested in knowing the different outcomes of your possible decisions. Wouldn't you like to know what would have occurred if you had married your other girlfriend? According to Seth, this sort of thing actually occurs for our own higher self.
I also agree with you, Thelou, that we would welcome comments from the other members who read my book or my "Revolution in Common Sense" essay.
Greetings!
Jo.
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The scenario of branching life histories for the same person whenever he/she decides between alternate possible actions is described in much detail by Jane Roberts in her channeled Seth book "The Nature of Personal Reality". For us this concept seems to be so mind boggling as to be virtually unacceptable. Every time you decide between different options, you start a parallel universe that plays out the option that you did not choose.
Yes exactly!!
And I understand how mind boggling this can be. But it is a very familiar issue with me that I understand very well.
But what I want, no need to learn is how to pick and chose. For example, and it does not matter what the issue is. To find and live with your true love, to be rich, to be famous, the topic is not relevant. But to know as I do that, that parallel universe is out there. How do I make a change in me so that I can live in the parallel universe that I want to?
Here is a story that happened to me.
Several years ago when I was trying to learn and contemplate, I came to this understanding in a manner that cannot be described with words. From my balcony I had a view of a mountain about a hundred yards away. There was this house size boulder of what looked like white quartz. One day I noticed that it was gone. Then another day it was there. After soul searching I came to realize when I was living in one life belief it was there, and when I was living in an opposite life belief it was gone. I experimented with this for about six months. It came, and it disappeared. I realized that what I was doing was switching from living in one parallel universe to another, depending on what my beliefs were that day.
How do I affect what my thoughts/beliefs are so that I can live in the parallel universe that I want. It is interesting to note here that none of the other things in my life changed such as people or what not. I feel the giant rock was there as a symbol for me to learn what I did.
Hello Thelou,
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How do I affect what my thoughts/beliefs are so that I can live in the parallel universe that I want. It is interesting to note here that none of the other things in my life changed such as people or what not. I feel the giant rock was there as a symbol for me to learn what I did.
The "Rock Experience" you described in your 27 May post is indeed fascinating. It was probably a pointer from your inner/higher Self to familiarize you with the multiple universe concept. It demonstrated very effectively how your mindset influences your reality. Apparently, you clearly understood how your environment changed depending on whatever belief you held in your mind.
Now you are asking how you can control your mindset so that you experience the reality (universe) you want. I believe that I have answered this question already in my 24 May post above. You have read my "Understanding the Grand Design" book. Read again Chapter 10, Creating Your Own Reality, specifically pages 139 - 143. This is how you choose between different universes, which is just another way of saying how you create your desired reality.
Let me know, please, if this answers your question. Best wishes!
Jo.
Hi
I'm reading your book but did nog finish it yet. So I think it's not wise to argue things I have read. I will (if I need to) when I finished it.
Anyway I have some questions though:
Everything is a part of a design..THE GRAND DESIGN...so every happening every moment is..designed. But where's free will?
How can there be a design if you actually do pick your own decissions?
You (JoWo and thelou)say that every choise you make, there is "another you" who chooses the other option. So when I will ask wich one am I? You will say...both. So no matter what I choose...everything is allready there and there is nothing that actually is caused by me.
So I do not affect anything.
Everything is allready set...
Do I understand it wrong...or do I interpret it wrong.
Ok here is my input based on my limited understanding, I also look forward to JoWo's answer.
Yes there is a Grand Design, and every happening, every moment is designed. But here is the free will. Our choice of what we think, say, do, etc. Is not pre-designed. We have the free will of what we are going to do.
The Design, is this fluid almost "holodeck" (If I may borrow a term from Star Trek) Universe that we live in. The Design puts us in this fluid Universe that we live in. We "pick our decisions" of how we choose to react to our environment.
For example, if someone slaps us in our face we have the choice to "turn the other cheek" or to slap them back.
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How can there be a design if you actually do pick your own decissions?
You (JoWo and thelou)say that every choise you make, there is "another you" who chooses the other option. So when I will ask wich one am I? You will say...both. So no matter what I choose...everything is allready there and there is nothing that actually is caused by me.
No, your comment of "both" actually surprised me. It was not at all what I was thinking. "Which one am I"? You are the one that is you. The you that is living in the world that you have chosen to live in. Unfortunately this means you also have to live with your choices.
It is a dichotomy within an enigma, based upon dogma affecting karma.
Therefor technically everything is caused by you.
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Everything is allready set...
The foundation is the only thing that is already set. What we do is not done until we do it. Kind of like walking in a garden. There are many different paths in the garden that are "already set" But we can walk on which ever path we choose.
Ok I see now what I misunderstood...
But that means you have a unlimited of choises...thus a unlimited happenings that are set right? But the Universe...the whole...the all entity...must be unlimited too right? Or even bigger (what's impossible) But does that include mass and energy? That just can't be because it must be constant and not inconstant.
Hello Adkha,
Sorry I'm so late answering your post. I was away from home a few days.
In your 30 May message you asked:
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Everything is a part of a design..THE GRAND DESIGN...so every happening every moment is..designed. But where's free will?
How can there be a design if you actually do pick your own decissions?
Good question! Think of the roadmap around your home. It is a design, but you have the free will to choose wherever you want to go and whatever route you want to take. So does Quantum Metaphysics provide a map of universal reality and you can choose your own path.
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You (JoWo and thelou)say that every choise you make, there is "another you" who chooses the other option. So when I will ask wich one am I? You will say...both. So no matter what I choose...everything is allready there and there is nothing that actually is caused by me.
Ask yourself, Adkha, "who am I ?". Are you your body, are you your Self that is the whole of body and mind, or are you your soul? Or are you even the very source of life within you? The answer is that you are all of these, depending on what you want to identify with.
Now, when you think of "another you" who chooses the other option", it belongs to the same soul, "your" soul, even though you might think that it is different from you. As I pointed out in my book, we must keep our point of view in mind. Everything is relative. From the viewpoint of your self, the "other you" seems to be another self. But from your soul's viewpoint, all these different selves are just different aspects of the same soul, like different surface planes of the same crystal.
Please let me know, Adkha, if this clarifies your question about free will. It may take some more discussion.
Greetings!
Jo.
Hello again, Adkha,
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But that means you have a unlimited of choises...thus a unlimited happenings that are set right? But the Universe...the whole...the all entity...must be unlimited too right? Or even bigger (what's impossible) But does that include mass and energy? That just can't be because it must be constant and not inconstant.
You can have unlimited uses of mass and energy even though the total of mass and energy might be limited. However, we must be careful how we apply our limited human concepts to the multi-dimensional universe. Relativity Theory, for instance, tells us that our unlimited 3-D space may actually run back into itself, like a circle, so that we could see the same star by looking into opposite directions. In other words, the multi-dimensional universe could be limited as our Eath is limited, even though you can travel the Earth without ever hitting a limit.
I personally believe, though, that All-Entity is unlimited in all aspects that we can imagine, perhaps similar to what I just described for 3-D space - I don't know.
Jo.
Hi Jowo...yes I see now...just have to keep in mind about the whole and its parts and the holon principles.
I'm sure I come up with more and more questions and difficulties to ask you and to discuss here.
But now I will continue reading your book in the sice warm Sun.
(it's great weather in holland...25-30 degr C)
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Originally posted by JoWo
Hello again, Adkha,
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But that means you have a unlimited of choises...thus a unlimited happenings that are set right? But the Universe...the whole...the all entity...must be unlimited too right? Or even bigger (what's impossible) But does that include mass and energy? That just can't be because it must be constant and not inconstant.
You can have unlimited uses of mass and energy even though the total of mass and energy might be limited. However, we must be careful how we apply our limited human concepts to the multi-dimensional universe. Relativity Theory, for instance, tells us that our unlimited 3-D space may actually run back into itself, like a circle, so that we could see the same star by looking into opposite directions. In other words, the multi-dimensional universe could be limited as our Eath is limited, even though you can travel the Earth without ever hitting a limit.
I personally believe, though, that All-Entity is unlimited in all aspects that we can imagine, perhaps similar to what I just described for 3-D space - I don't know.
Jo.
Okay one reply then...I didn't saw your post.
I think I know what you mean:
The whole is everything....it may have boundaries...but not as we see boundaries like the finish of a racecourse. The whole is everything so there is nothing more than the whole...so you can't set a bourder anywhere because in that case there must be more beyond that.
But what about the bigbang theory? Does holistic logic interfere with it? And the theory that the physical universe will shrink again? What if it happens...?Will there be no more 3d universe? Well I know that interferes with holistic logic because the whole can only be the whole with all of its parts...
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But what about the bigbang theory? Does holistic logic interfere with it? And the theory that the physical universe will shrink again? What if it happens...?Will there be no more 3d universe? Well I know that interferes with holistic logic because the whole can only be the whole with all of its parts...
Hello JoWo and Adkha, In this topic I would like to throw out another theory that I have heard several times over the years. It is REALLY out there. But as difficult to believe, it is also just as difficult to deny as a possibility. I would be very interested to hear what you, or anyone else has to say.
Thanks, and here it is.
Notice, of the thousands of books I have read over the years, I unfortunately cannot back up any of this, because I do not remember who/where I read it. But this information comes from many different sources.
One of the ways that scientists were able to come up with/offer proof of the Big Bang theory is that they discovered that if you take an element (ANY ELEMENT.?) And condense it enough that it will have a reaction. After that reaction there is the original element, and trace evidence of other elements. (One or more, what ever for the sake of argument).
There has been great controversy over the expansion and contraction of the Universe. Neal Donald Walsh says this is the breathing in and out of God.
Lets say that the Universe was originally only composed of one element. Say hydrogen. It expanded out as far as it could at that time. Then over time (now and further "time" could be defined as thousands, millions, billions, trillions, of years).
Then this one element condensed back upon itself, much like a star does.
Then it exploded again, this time reproducing the same element and also a second. This would have been the second element to have ever been born. Over "time" these elements would have expanded to their capacity and then condensed back again.
Each time this happened a new element, or possible several new elements were literally created new.
Over more millennia than the human brain can comprehend this happened over and over. Each time a new, or several new elements were created.
This brings us to present day in "time" where we have the elements that we have today.
By studding meteors and such scientists have discovered that there common elements and chemicals throughout the Universe.
This could be the steps in the Evolutionary evolvement of the Universe itself. Each time completely destroying what was, and then giving birth to what is next.
After writing for this post I decided that I wanted to hear from all the people on the Quantum physics site, not just those that might read this post. So I have taken the liberty to post it as a new topic.
JoWo and Adkha, please post your answers here as they would be consistent with the thoughts of this thread. Sorry if I am making this difficult.
Thelou
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Originally posted by thelou
This could be the steps in the Evolutionary evolvement of the Universe itself. Each time completely destroying what was, and then giving birth to what is next.
I think I'm not folowing you quite right. How can something evolve if the original element is destroyed completely?
The universe would start over and over again as you say. But that's no evolvement but a repetition...
Hi Adkha
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The whole is everything....it may have boundaries...but not as we see boundaries like the finish of a racecourse.
Let's just say that the whole of everything (All-Entity) is beyond any boundaries imaginable.
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The whole is everything so there is nothing more than the whole...so you can't set a bourder anywhere because in that case there must be more beyond that.
This is correct for the Whole of All that Is, All-Entity.
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But what about the bigbang theory? Does holistic logic interfere with it? And the theory that the physical universe will shrink again? What if it happens...?Will there be no more 3d universe? Well I know that interferes with holistic logic because the whole can only be the whole with all of its parts...
Remember that time does not exist in multi-dimensional reality. Therefore, there is no beginning and no end. What scientists perceive as the Big Bang beginning of the universe could well be a distorted view of All-Entity. This would make sense in that no differentiation whatsoever exists in All-Entity, according to quantum metaphysics. Therefore, there are no subatomic particles at the highest level of multi-dimensional reality, only a "field" of extraordinary energy. In fact, at that level, it makes no sense to talk about dimensions at all, because the term 'dimension' implies that there are other dimensions to compare with. This is not the case for the Whole of everything, because It is totally undifferentiated.
Repeated expansion and shrinking of the universe has been postulated through channeled sources as well as scientists. We must again understand that time is only a human perception and that all events occur in the present NOW. Thus, all phases of universal expansion and shrinking co-exist simultaneously. Therefore, there will always be a 3-D universe somewhere in the grand scheme of things.
Jo.
Hehe something is telling me to pick this book up as soon as i can.
Not two days ago i wrote a short essay for my philosophy homework for school on what the mind is, what the soul is, and what their connection to the body is (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12565 - the final version is some way down the page for those interested)
Then yesterday i find myself in the Quantum Metaphysics forum, somewhere i usually avoid (i tend to avoid anything related with mathematics or science). Then later i find myself here again and in the "who understands..." thread. And so here i am yet again.
From what i understand about this book so far, some of the ideas may parallel with the ideas i put in that little essay, although i could be wrong since i haven't read that much on it just yet. So i'm going to read the essay on JoWo's website and then most likely go and grab the book.
Hi Thelou,
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Hello JoWo and Adkha, In this topic I would like to throw out another theory that I have heard several times over the years. It is REALLY out there. But as difficult to believe, it is also just as difficult to deny as a possibility. I would be very interested to hear what you, or anyone else has to say.
It's an interesting concept. From a quantum metaphysic point of view, I could neither speak for nor against it.
Jo
P.S. If I'm slow answering messages, it's because I am battling computer problems.
Hello Euphoric Sunrise!
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Hehe something is telling me to pick this book up as soon as i can.
Welcome to the club [:D]!
Jo.
Adkha
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I think I'm not folowing you quite right. How can something evolve if the original element is destroyed completely?
The universe would start over and over again as you say. But that's no evolvement but a repetition..
In this theory the element is not destroyed completely, or there would be nothing left. And also energy cannot be destroyed, only altered. I understand what you are saying, and yes it would be a repetition if the same exact thing happened with the same exact result. In the process I was talking about, an element condensed upon itself, and then exploded not just as the same element but also creating a new element in the process. This is what I was calling an evolvement. Because something new was created each time. To me that is growth, or evolution, when each time there is progress.
Thanks for the great question!! [:D][:D][:D]
JoWo wrote
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It's an interesting concept. From a quantum metaphysic point of view, I could neither speak for nor against it.
I can respect that from a quantum metaphysic point of view. How does it resonate with you and your opinion/feeling from your personal point of view?
Hot dang Euphoric Sunrise, that is a great representation. And very insightful from the perspective of the paper you are writing. Would love to know what your teachers response will be, and the grade for the paper. I would guess that they will be based upon the receptivity of said teacher. Also there does not seem to be much talk about mathematics such as we know it from school here. (Curious, what grade is your class)? I think if you are drawn here, you should entertain the idea of coming to this forum, without fear. It is not like there is a test here.[:D]
Thank you,
Thelou
I personally like the quantum metaphysics forum best because there just seems in my opinion to be a higher level of intellect here than in some of the other forums that have the same old questions and arguments back and forth.
Do not mean to offend anyone, this is just what I have found in my personal observation.[:D][:D][:D]
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Originally posted by thelou
Hot dang Euphoric Sunrise, that is a great representation. And very insightful from the perspective of the paper you are writing. Would love to know what your teachers response will be, and the grade for the paper. I would guess that they will be based upon the receptivity of said teacher. Also there does not seem to be much talk about mathematics such as we know it from school here. (Curious, what grade is your class)? I think if you are drawn here, you should entertain the idea of coming to this forum, without fear. It is not like there is a test here.[:D]
Thank you,
Thelou
Well i don't think that will get graded. It's just one of the tasks that the teacher has set. It's not a subject that is offered at my school so i did it through what is known as distance education. They send me all the work for the Unit (semester) and i send my responses week by week. I will get a comment, but no grade as it's just meant to be an answer, not an assignment or anything. I might post my teacher's response when i get it, but as i did the work a couple of weeks in advance i won't get it for another few weeks.
Thank you very much for your comments as well [:)]
I probably will pop in here more often now, but i do not know anything about physics or "quantum" stuff. I don't even know what that word means. Of course, since i've never really been in here that often i don't know if that stuff is discussed.
In short, i'll come in here more often [:P]
PS - i forgot to answer that i'm in year 12 of high school. I'm not entirely sure what the overseas equivelant is, so let's just say i'm in my last year of high school.
Euphoric Sunrise,
Well a quantum is the smallest physical unit.
On the quantym level of phsyical objects the laws differ from the laws that rule on the objects level.
If you want real details and stuff ask JoWo[:D][:D]
I think I wanna ask Jowo a new question.
On Astral Dynamics, Robert Bruce also talks about higher realms/dimensions. First realtime zone, then astral plane then..I'm not sure...:-) anyway...
How does his vieuw of reality relate to all-entity?
Then I have another question...
On this physical plane we experience consiousness.
You say consious have a far more greatness on a higher level/dimension/plane.
But how does this consiousness get experienced and by who?
It's so confusing...one moment I think I understand...but then the other moment I'm totally confused and have all these questions that bothering(but amusing me at the same time:-))me.
We are dead and alive at the same time on the multidimensional level. But how can we experience it? I can't say: I will experience it when I leave this body...cause on the higher level I allready did.
help me out plzz[:(][?]
Hello Thelou.
In your 10 June post you asked:
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I can respect that from a quantum metaphysic point of view. How does it resonate with you and your opinion/feeling from your personal point of view?
I would guess that the evolution of atomic elements would be equivalent to the evolution of organic life that started with a single cell and gradually evolved into more complex organisms.
Hi Adkha,
On 10 June you asked:
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On Astral Dynamics, Robert Bruce also talks about higher realms/dimensions. First realtime zone, then astral plane then..I'm not sure...:-) anyway...
How does his vieuw of reality relate to all-entity?
The astral plane is one of the multi-dimensional levels of reality. I would guess that the realtime zone is our physical reality. Please remember that a 4-D reality has infinite possible 3-D "sub-realities". A 5-D reality has infinite possible 4-D realities, and so on. It is mind-boggling and any specific reality can be anywhere in this unfathomable system. All-Entity is the unifying Whole of it all. You can't imagine it, but you can understand the Holistic Logic, which pulls it all together in your mind. It's like modern physics that can be understood only through mathematics.
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On this physical plane we experience consiousness.
You say consious have a far more greatness on a higher level/dimension/plane.
But how does this consiousness get experienced and by who?
This is an excellent question and I'll try to answer it as best as I can. With multi-dimensional subjects, we can only use metaphors, highly simplified images to come close to an understanding. These images never tell the whole story. One possible way to picture consciousness at different levels of reality is to compare the universe with a large corporation. The mail clerk at the bottom of the organization has his/her area of responsibility. On a higher level is a supervisor with responsibility over several clerks, and so on up to the CEO of the corporation. The higher you go on the corporate ladder, the larger the scope of responsibility for the managers, and the larger the scope of their consciousness to cope with the responsibility. A good manager has a good idea of what each of his people does, down to the lowest level. However, the lowest level employees usually can't imagine the scope of a high level manager's activities and breadth of his conscious mind that's required.
Think of the group entities within the cosmic hierarchy as managers on different levels of multi-dimensional reality. But don't take this example too literally, because there is no way we can describe multi-dimensional reality. You'll just have to wait until you get there yourself [:)].
Jo.
thnx jo,[:)]
So when my body dies...I will come a litle higher in the ladder and I will be able to experience a greater concsious than I can now...?
Hi Adkha,
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So when my body dies...I will come a litle higher in the ladder and I will be able to experience a greater concsious than I can now...?
Yes, for a simple answer. You still create your own reality based on your mindset. Except, without you body, the effect is instantaneous. Whatever you think, you create immediately, and you learn very soon to control your thoughts. You also go through a "life review" which demonstrates to you how your actions affected others, and how they responded to you. This shows you what you could have done better and eventually aids you in planning your next incarnation. You advance depending on how much you have identified with the interests of the Whole.
Jo.
thnx for the answer JoWo. It's funny...this is exactly how I always have looked against 'the afterlife'.
JoWo, what do you think about the bad(sinners) persons living now? Do you think there is some kind of punishment? Or is it just a matter of your own identification with the interests of the whole?
In the bible you read that sinners will burn forever after this life. Personly I redicule this because if the lord is merciful (jezus was merciful and he lived as the ideal of God)why would he let anyone burn in eternity instead of giving another chance.
If I will look at this subject from your theory's point of vieuw I would say: when you die you get a little bit closer the source (top of the ladder, all-entity) but you will see you didn't lived as loving as you wanted to live. So you can not identify yourself with this interest of the whole. So you will re-incarnate and live a better live. (right?)
Now I used the factor (interest of the whole)..I dont know the right word here)love. Are there any more factors that we have to identify with?
Hello Adkha,
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JoWo, what do you think about the bad(sinners) persons living now? Do you think there is some kind of punishment? Or is it just a matter of your own identification with the interests of the whole?
Good and bad are relative terms that depend on the point of view. The 9/11 hijackers are bad people from our point of view, but they are heroes for those who believe that Western society is morally corrupt. Viewed from the Whole (All-Entity) of the universe, every act or event is an expression of life. As we don't judge a lion 'bad' because it kills a lamb, so are the acts of humans only symptoms of humanity's level of evolution. There is no "God" who condemns and punishes such behavior.
However there are cause-and-effect consequences of our thoughts and actions. We create our own reality by how we think and act. This occurs quite automatically, through what is called the law of attraction: like attracts like, or as we have been told already two millennia ago: you harvest what you sow.
Another way of understanding this is as follows. The highest source of life, of love, and of harmony is inside each being. If you think and act against the principles of life, love, and harmony, then you do so against your own innermost self. In other words, you separate yourself from the very source of your own being. The result can be like hell, without anyone judging or punishing you. It's a matter of cause and effect.
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If I will look at this subject from your theory's point of vieuw I would say: when you die you get a little bit closer the source (top of the ladder, all-entity) but you will see you didn't lived as loving as you wanted to live. So you can not identify yourself with this interest of the whole. So you will re-incarnate and live a better live. (right?)
That's a good way to put it.
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Now I used the factor (interest of the whole)..I dont know the right word here)love. Are there any more factors that we have to identify with?
Other factors are joy and acceptance (avoidance of criticizing others). As you continue to identify with the All-Entity, you develop a better feel for It that is beautiful. Jesus said it perfectly: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." and: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Just keep in mind that the transcendent Whole of the universe was pictured as "the Lord your God" at that time. And forget about the many misinterpretations that have developed in religions over time.
Greetings!
Jo.
One thing about scientists, if there's a truth, they're gonna find their own way there. Even if a group of "radicals" like us is standing there waving and shouting at them, they'll still be searching the ground with their magnifying glasses, inching towards the truth. I'm glad they're getting closer.
I just bought the book, The Holographic Universe, by Micheal Talbot. I've not finished it, but would recommend it to any of you who have read the Understanding the Grand Design book, or who wants to look at this energy thing from a scientific standpoint.
I'm very grateful for the quantum metaphysics forum.
Greetings everyone,
I have enjoyed the considerable pleasure of reading "Understanding the Grand Design" by Joachim Wolf, and would like to reproduce here my review at Amazon.com.
I cannot recommend this book highly enough to anyone at all who is interested in a modern perpspective of this multi-dimensional Universe. Joachim's work does not repeat the age-old wisdom, but rather confirms it from an entirely new, and in my view entirely accurate perspective.
The book is available from Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1553955676/qid=1082726787/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-5187506-9215251?v=glance&s=books
Or directly from the publisher: http://www.trafford.com
With best regards,
Adrian.
Amazon review: Understanding the Grand Design, Joachim Wolf:
Understanding the Grand Design, March 14, 2004
Reviewer: Adrian P. Cooper (see more about me) from Isle of Man, British Isles.
The truth nature of the Universe and the destiny of mankind has been taught from time immemorial by many great Masters and teachers throughout the world. It is only in more recent years however that the modern sciences and in particular those within the field of quantum physics have been arriving at, and thus verifying the same Universal truths, emphasising the fact that there is ultimately only one reality.
In this excellent and unique book, "Understanding the Grand Design", Joachim Wolf has produced an exceptional work that takes a modern quantum metaphysical perspective of the nature of the multi-dimensional Universe and how it relates to life and mankind. Understanding the Grand Design performs an excellent job of bridging the gap between the timeless Spiritual view of the multi-dimensional Universe and the most recent views of quantum physics, and does so in a way that is highly readable and understandable without being overly scientific or esoteric.
Understanding the Grand Design focuses in particular on the Holographic view of the Universe, a metaphor originally put forward by quantum metaphysicist David Bohm who presented a model of the Universe as a "holomovement", analogous to a fluid hologram comprising explicate and implicate orders. In his book, Joachim Wolf has done an outstanding job of taking this holographic view of the Universe and by means of his "holon" model applying it in very clear and understandable terms in order to explain its significance and importance to everything and everyone in the Universe. This book explains in detail such aspects as the nature of space and time, group entities, the cosmic holarchy, who we are, multiple worlds, multi-dimensional communication, creating your own reality and experiencing multi-dimensional reality.
To anyone interested in their own multi-dimensional nature, that of the Universe, and the significance of these to all mankind, Understanding the Grand Design is a unique and exceptional work, and one which will surely have a profound impact on the thinking of these most important subjects. This book is without doubt a "must read" for anyone and everyone interested in all aspects of Spirituality, the timeless truths and nature of the Universe, modern quantum physics, and indeed for all those interested in the reality of the Universe and the meaning of life.
This place rocks fellas, and ladies. Very interesting stuff. One thing I would like to ask is this, and this bothers me. If I spend a life with someone I love and want to be with forever, what is the point if we reincarnate when we die and are separated from them? Does quantum metaphysics discount the theory or idea of soul-mates? I don't like the idea. I love my wife and want to be with her forever and in my conscious mind, I don't want to come back here again. Any of that make sense? I guess the short of it is this. Why tell someone you are going to be together forever, if your only going to reincarnate again and be separated? Do I really have a choice? I know everyone says that I chose this life, but why? I don't like this life and I really don't find much joy in it and I really don't want to be here. I'm trying to grasp the concept of creative visualization to create what I want in life and have a better attitude about life. I do believe that I create my own destiny and I want a better life. I get up everyday in misery due to things in life I don't want, but I'm not sure how to go about getting what I want. Is it just a matter of visually creating and idea and concentrating on it and associating positive thoughts and energy with it? Is meditation really necessary? I have a very tough time meditating as I am a complex individual who does not tune in very well. What do you people suggest so I get on the right track? I'd love to purchase Jo's book, but I'm broke right now. What an awesome place. It's so nice to find like-minded people, who aren't afraid to think outside the box.
Thanks, Kevin
Hello Kevin,
Let's summarize how we'll experience multi-dimensional reality after our death.
* We will "automatically" come together with our loved ones because of our mutual attraction. This includes loved ones from prior incarnations.
* We have free will.
* We will realize that the purpose of reincarnations is to grow spiritually through experience in physical life.
* We will understand that spiritual growth includes learning to love everyone.
* We have the option of choosing the experiences, our parents, and our possible spouses for our next incarnation. We do this based on our needs with the help of guides.
* We all chose the reincarnation process for our spiritual growth. Once we entered this process, we must complete it until we don't need it any more.
* In physical life, you may feel separated from other individuals. However, you are never separated in multi-dimensional reality. In fact, we are never separated from anything or anyone at all. We are all One.
*After your death you have the opportunity to fully understand and "digest" your past experiences from physical life. You have a much better view for choosing your further development and your next incarnation. You may choose to be together again with your former spouse, not necessarily in the same type of relationship. You may decide to have a parent/child relationship, or a close friendship. There are reports of family clans reincarnating with totally new interrelationships. This gives all an opportunity to experience the other person's viewpoint and it helps to settle possible imbalances.
If you don't like certain aspects of your present life, Kevin, remember that this very feeling gives you the motivation to change, to master your life. Therefore, your present dissatisfaction is good for you. It'll get you going where you want to go, based on your plans developed before your birth.
I believe that I answered your other questions in a private message.
Keep going, Kevin. You are on the right track.
Jo.
Hi Jo, great response. It's kind of saddening to me that this is how it is. I grew up Christian. You die, you go to heaven, that is if you're good. Although I never really believed in hell. I perceive hell as existence on Earth, if you don't do with it what you can to make it not hell. So I've grown up with the hope of being with loved ones in heaven. Now it just plain pisses me off that I chose to be here?
What the hell is that? And if so, why don't I realize or understand or remember that I chose to be here? It goes back to the question in your book about (do I create my destiny, or is there some external force pulling the strings)?
I understand fully what you are saying and I believe there is more than enough evidence to support reincarnation theory; children remembering past lives and people, describing situations and whatnot from past lives that make no sense until investigated. Like the child that was a criminal in Turkey that shot himself in the head. The soul reincarnated into a boy and the boy has a birth mark on his head, where the bullet entered and a patch of hair missing in the back where the bullet exited. I don't doubt this one bit. However I do not think it is right that our memory and awareness of past lives be stripped from us as we progress past a certain age. I believe it is between 2-5 years old when we can actually remember some past incarnations, not sure. However it begs the question, Am I really the controller of my own destiny since I can't remember why I chose to be here. Perhaps on a spiritual level I did choose to be here, but it just plain pisses me off that we have no recollection of that. Why? Why must things be hidden from us? It's like living a lie.
I do live my life however as according to how it should be lived in a spiritual sense, as I'm going to do everything in my power to not have to come back here. I tell my wife this all the time. I just don't understand the sense of loving somebody all your life and promising to be together forever, if you have no recollection of it after you reincarnate? Why bother? Why bother with the lie that "we will be together forever"?
What if I had a wife or loved ones in a past life and said the same thing? Then, it must have been a lie right? So why bother if you can't remember anything? That's what I'm mentally battling with. If you have any suggestions to set me straight on that, feel free. I do believe in your knowledge and wisdom Jo. There needs to be a hell of a lot more of YOU on this planet to save it. Although this angers me, I realize my goal or destiny is to learn to love all, contribute to society and become spiritually better, and this is an awakening for me, as I've lived the first 34 years of my life with deep seeded HATE for life and humanity.It's a constant struggle for me, but realizing that we are all one has helped. My main frustration has and is that things are not the way I want them to be in life and I feel stuck. Feeling like there is no way out of the way in which I have created my life. It is far from bad, believe me, but I want things to be the way I want them to be in this life and I don't know how to get there. I hate my job and that is the core of my misery. I refuse to like it and I will not learn to like it, because it is not my destiny. I want to help people, that is what brings joy to me. Not the meaningless world of databases and Information Technology. However, I've modeled my life after greed and now I am stuck, realizing finally that it is not the greed, ego and stuff that makes you happy, it is me. I make my self happy, internally. However there are these external situations that beg for hate it seems.
However, am I really the controller of my own destiny, since I can't remember anything from the past and that I am only able to see with my eyes, and things are hidden from us? Why were you chosen to see what you saw, and it is kept hidden from the rest of us? I'm not mad at your, I'm grateful you had that experience and are able to convey it to us and speak of it in a down to earth yet logical fashion. However, do you sense my frustration, and understand what I am getting at? I don't know if I explained it properly.
Your Friend,
Kevin[/b]
Hello my friend Kevin,
Lotsa questions! That's good.
QuoteI grew up Christian. You die, you go to heaven, that is if you're good.
Right, and so it is when you die being in harmony with the rest of the world because you create your own reality through your mindset, here as well as in multi-dimensional reality, which is also known as the spirit world.
QuoteI perceive hell as existence on Earth, if you don't do with it what you can to make it not hell. So I've grown up with the hope of being with loved ones in heaven.
Right again.
QuoteNow it just plain pisses me off that I chose to be here?
What's wrong with that? Do you think that it was bad for you go through exams in school? Or would you rather have chosen not to go to school while everyone else did?
QuoteAnd if so, why don't I realize or understand or remember that I chose to be here?
It's a long story, Kevin, too long for this post. But you have my book "Understanding the Grand Design". Read the section "Why the Illusion?" starting on page 169. This will also answer a number of other points you made in your post.
QuoteAm I really the controller of my own destiny since I can't remember why I chose to be here. Perhaps on a spiritual level I did choose to be here, but it just plain pisses me off that we have no recollection of that. Why? Why must things be hidden from us? It's like living a lie.
You must understand, Kevin, that there are different levels of "You". Presently you are conscious of only a small part of your real Self and your Soul. We call that small part our "ego". The rest of you exists in multi-dimensional reality. We say that it is in our unconscious. That greater, total You never forgets its choices, decisions, and experiences, and it guides your "smaller You" without it realizing it. If you listen to your true inner Self, you'll get the benefits of its superior knowledge. You worry about the discontinuity created by your forgetfulness, Kevin. But it is taken care of at a higher, inner level that is unconscious to your ego. It's not like living a lie, it's living in an illusion of limited resources.
QuoteI've lived the first 34 years of my life with deep seeded HATE for life and humanity. It's a constant struggle for me, but realizing that we are all one has helped. My main frustration has and is that things are not the way I want them to be in life and I feel stuck. Feeling like there is no way out of the way in which I have created my life.
Undoing the effects of Hate from 34 years will take some time, Kevin. But rest assured, if from now on you think and act according to the understanding that we are all one, things will clear up. It takes some time to become aware of all the accumulated destructive habits. You can speed things up through a regular "belief review process" I e-mailed to you from my book. Be aware also that your past 34 years are a valuable asset because without experiencing the inevitable fallout, you would not be so motivated now to change course. Based on your experience, you are also much better equipped to help others, as you intend. You have been there and you know what others are talking about.
QuoteWhy were you chosen to see what you saw, and it is kept hidden from the rest of us?
I don't know, Kevin. I can imagine that I made this decision before I was born.
My best wishes to you, Kevin!
Jo.
Hello my friend Kevin,
Lotsa questions! That's good.
QuoteI grew up Christian. You die, you go to heaven, that is if you're good.
Right, and so it is when you die being in harmony with the rest of the world because you create your own reality through your mindset, here as well as in multi-dimensional reality, which is also known as the spirit world.
QuoteI perceive hell as existence on Earth, if you don't do with it what you can to make it not hell. So I've grown up with the hope of being with loved ones in heaven.
Right again.
QuoteNow it just plain pisses me off that I chose to be here?
What's wrong with that? Do you think that it was bad for you go through exams in school? Or would you rather have chosen not to go to school while everyone else did?
QuoteAnd if so, why don't I realize or understand or remember that I chose to be here?
It's a long story, Kevin, too long for this post. But you have my book "Understanding the Grand Design". Read the section "Why the Illusion?" starting on page 169. This will also answer a number of other points you made in your post.
QuoteAm I really the controller of my own destiny since I can't remember why I chose to be here. Perhaps on a spiritual level I did choose to be here, but it just plain pisses me off that we have no recollection of that. Why? Why must things be hidden from us? It's like living a lie.
You must understand, Kevin, that there are different levels of "You". Presently you are conscious of only a small part of your real Self and your Soul. We call that small part our "ego". The rest of you exists in multi-dimensional reality. We say that it is in our unconscious. That greater, total You never forgets its choices, decisions, and experiences, and it guides your "smaller You" without it realizing it. If you listen to your true inner Self, you'll get the benefits of its superior knowledge. You worry about the discontinuity created by your forgetfulness, Kevin. But it is taken care of at a higher, inner level that is unconscious to your ego. It's not like living a lie, it's living in an illusion of limited resources.
QuoteI've lived the first 34 years of my life with deep seeded HATE for life and humanity. It's a constant struggle for me, but realizing that we are all one has helped. My main frustration has and is that things are not the way I want them to be in life and I feel stuck. Feeling like there is no way out of the way in which I have created my life.
Undoing the effects of Hate from 34 years will take some time, Kevin. But rest assured, if from now on you think and act according to the understanding that we are all one, things will clear up. It takes some time to become aware of all the accumulated destructive habits. You can speed things up through a regular "belief review process" I e-mailed to you from my book. Be aware also that your past 34 years are a valuable asset because without experiencing the inevitable fallout, you would not be so motivated now to change course. Based on your experience, you are also much better equipped to help others, as you intend. You have been there and you know what others are talking about.
QuoteWhy were you chosen to see what you saw, and it is kept hidden from the rest of us?
I don't know, Kevin. I can imagine that I made this decision before I was born.
My best wishes to you, Kevin!
Jo.
If you listen to your true inner Self, you'll get the benefits of its superior knowledge.
Jo, I can't understand that. People tell me, listen to your heart, listen to your inner self. What self? I just don't get it. Are you/they talking about decision making, where when you make a decision, you feel good about it if it is the right thing to do, but feel bad, like (knot in stomach) if it is not the right decision? Is that what you are getting at Jo. I realize I make all this stuff more complicated than it need be. I'm trying my best to lose the hate and the anger towards life in this LIMITED body and LIMITED LIFE where everything is hidden from us in this GAME. See, there I go again with my bad attitude, but I've made worlds of progress in the past 2 months. I wish I was on your wavelength Jo, I really really do. My wife and I have looked at the core belief thing over and over, we're both smart people, and we just don't get it. Perhaps the section on it in your book will clarify that a little better. It's basically what I told you before. I'm a very very mixed up individual and I really really don't know what I believe sometimes. Thanks for emailing me back the examples of my frustrations I sent you. I'm going to start the belief modifications with those.
Your friend,
Kevin
To get in touch with your inner self, Kevin, you must calm your mind and avoid distractions from your physical environment. Your inner self is multi-dimensional, whereas your ego identifies with the 3-D world. If your mind is pre-occupied with ego-stuff, then it cannot sense the additional dimensions of your total, inner self. Sit quietly, where you cannot be disturbed, and breathe slowly and deeply. This will calm your mind. Dwell on feelings of love, joy, and peace, because they are the essence of your higher self. It takes some practice, so do this regularly, at least once a day, preferably at the same time of day.
If you want guidance for a particular decision, imagine one of your possible options as clearly and as vividly as possible. Let this visualization sink in and sense how it feels deeply inside. Does it feel harmonious and peaceful? After you have sensed this feeling well enough to remember it, do the same exercise with another option for your decision. Take your time and dwell on it. How does it feel? Whichever gives you more inner harmony and peace is the correct decision. In Tom and Linda Carpenter's book, "Dialogue on Awakening", Jesus recommends that, if you want to experience spiritual awakening, always choose whatever gives you more peace. It is a very useful and powerful rule-of-thumb.
Peace to you, Kevin!
Jo.
Hello everyone, JoWo, it is nice to see you are still here helping people.
Hi Knucklebrain1970,
It has been many months since the last time reading this forum. My heart reaches out to you, because I truly understand your position and empathize with you. My back ground and past experience is very similar with yours. Many years of frustrating questions just like yours haunted my conscious mind.
What I can tell you is that I believe you are on the right path. Asking the tough questions is the best place to start. Because as you ask questions your mind will start to meditate on them automatically. You can task your subconscious mind to find the answers for you. Sit quietly like JoWo recommends. Instruct your subconscious mind to reach out to All Entity. While you are visualizing the different options in front of you, you will "become one" with source. When that is happening you will have information come to you that you may never have thought of before.
Don't get discouraged if you do not have a grand epiphany right off the bat. Like many mental exercises you get better at it with practice.
Thelou
Hello Thelou
Long time no see :D . Nice to hear from you again, and thank you for your comments.
Jo.
it's kind of odd to me how all the different materials I have been reading lately point to this all entity or nirvana experience and T.D. Lingos works (Neal Slade) also point to this same stuff. However according to T.D. Lingo, you must clear yourself of entropy (bad childhood experiences) in order to do this. This is my great difficulty. Meditation is also very difficult for me as I can
never focus as my mind is like a thinking machine that wont stop. Maybe I should take up LSD ha? :lol:
Kevin
Hi Kevin, ask yourself this. Is it really that odd that all the different materials you have been reading lately point to the same thing? The Universe is magnetic, what ever things you are thinking upon will cause your being to vibrate at a certain frequency. What ever frequency you vibrate will in your own personal parallel Universe will be attracted to you. Therefore what you are most wondering about is what will find its way into your life.
Have you ever gone to the bookstore just wanting to find more for your own growth? You stand there and look at all the different books in a section. They all seem to be the exact same. You think "God what do I need to read now?" Then you just happen to notice one book is sticking two inches out over the edge of the shelf, and when you look at it, it is exactly what you needed at that time?
It is the Law of Attraction at work. As far as clearing yourself from bad childhood, I have just found the most amazing book ever written for that topic. It is called "keeping the love you find" by Dr. Harville Hendrix. I have only gone through the first half, but this man has been gifted with the amazing ability to take us back before birth, and help us understand the things that happened to us on a subconscious level that we are not even aware of, so that we may address them now. I personally had several "epiphanies" about my own issues, and now almost like magic have a better understanding about my own self, and how to move forward in my spiritual growth.
Hope you can get a copy, and benefit from it also.
Question for Jo. I believe that my realization of my own life and where I fit has come along fairly well thanks to people such as yourself, and the many hundreds of other books that I have read. But there is still one thing that I cannot seem to understand. First off I do understand that we all have free will and freedom of choice, but how come we cannot influence others into what we want them to do? I mean I know they have their freedom of choice, and we cannot make others do anything. But that seems like an encroachment on my freedom of choice. For example I should have the freedom of choice to live in a Universe where the person I want to love me does. But cannot? :cry:
Thanks
Thelou
Hello Kevin,
Trying to clear yourself of bad childhood experiences can easily become a rather counter-productive undertaking, IMO. You'll get what your mind focuses on. If you focus on bad experiences, that's what you'll get: more bad experiences. Thelou is correct, it's the law of attraction at work. Looking for bad past experiences can also enhance the false belief that you are the victim of past circumstances, whereas you actually create your own reality. If you had "bad" childhood experiences", it was YOU who put yourself into that position by choosing this environment before you were born, and you did this for a good reason. You had a reason why you wanted to cope with this situation in order to grow spiritually. Therefore, your "bad" experiences may well be "good" from a higher point of view.
I agree with T.D. Lingo if you use your memory of childhood experiences to revise your beliefs, as I explained to you before, Kevin. Then you adopt the correct attitude that you are in control of your experiences, not a victim of them, and early childhood experiences tend to be indications of core beliefs, which have a more profound effect on your life.
Concerning your difficulty with meditation, Kevin, volumes have been written about how to do it. Search Google for "how to meditate" and you'll get more than one million answers. The first one is a website www.how-to-meditate.org . It's all good advice. You must use patience and perseverance. Clearing your mind and defining your priorities via belief-review helps also to reduce your mind chatter. Some meditation methods use mantras that you repeat in uninterruptedly. This helps you to screen out undesired thoughts. You can try to use something as simple as "I am joy, peace, and love." This is a statement of who you really are, because your true, innermost Self is All-Entity. This is what you want to identify with in your meditation. Don't say, "I will be joy, peace, and love", because then you imply that you are not now, and that's what you will experience.
You can do it, Kevin :)
Jo.
Hello Thelou, you wrote:
Quotehow come we cannot influence others into what we want them to do? I mean I know they have their freedom of choice, and we cannot make others do anything. But that seems like an encroachment on my freedom of choice.
Excellent question!
We live in a reality of limited dimensions. Whereas all imaginable situations co-exist simultaneously in multi-dimensional reality, they do not all appear in our specific physical reality. You select your specific reality based on general parameters that are set by your belief system. When you make that choice, you are not yet aware of all the detailed consequences. You are giving it "your best shot", so-to-speak. Then you spend a lifetime to experience the results of your choice. When you discover that some experiences didn't pan out, as you would have liked, you may have to go back to the proverbial drawing board and change your original choices. This may well take another incarnation. Yes, all possible events already exist in multi-dimensional reality, or in parallel universes (which is another way of saying it). But our capability to maneuver between the parallel universes is limited by our degree of spiritual maturity. To "get everything right" all at once requires a state of full enlightenment. That's the purpose of this seemingly cumbersome process of trying to get everything right through successive reincarnations, we are challenged to awaken to full enlightenment, to full union with All-Entity.
Greetings!
Jo.
Ok, so we reincarnate to become at one with all entity. Since I have discovered a wanting and a sort of new me to transcend into cosmic consciousness or at-one-ness with all that is or all entity. My question is this. Will I have to come back again if I do not achieve this in this lifetime? What if my conscious (MIND) does not want to come back. However you say that I picked this life. Well that must mean my subconscious or my spirit picked this life. It seems more or less like I am struggling for full transcendence in order to not come back again. If I don't want to come back again why should I have to. This is me saying this, my conscious mind. I don't want to come back. I've always had this inner feeling that I'm not supposed to be here. Is that a lie? Why must there be two of me, this just seems not fair to me. I'm sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, I'm just starting to come to the conclusion that this life is not my time to be blessed with unity with all entity. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't want to come back. Ever.
Kevin
Hi JoWo,
Much thanks for your kind words. I understand your answer, but perhaps the answer to my question just eluded me, or went over my head. So my question remains.
This is possibly the utmost question that we cannot seem to find the answer to. Why is it that we are unable to manifest in our lives someone else loving us?
In truth everything is happening in the eternal moment of now. All our past lives, and all of our future lives are being lived out simultaneously in one moment of now in the Grand Illusion of time.
We have been given the right by God to create or manifest anything we desire. But not someone else's love.
The obvious answer would seem to be this. You cannot make someone else love you because that would be an infringement on their freedom of choice.
But that is not accurate because they can simply choose to live their own lives in a separate parallel Universe where they do not love us.
So we should be able to decide of our own accord that in this life, this parallel Universe that I live in that "I choose to live where that person loves me."
But that does not work. Therefore it would appear that there are two contradictory statements that are both correct.
1. I can choose and manifest anything I desire.
2. You cannot manifest anything, just most things.
This to me seems contradictory of our freedom to experience anything we desire.
This is really troubling me, and surely other people also. We would all be very appreciative of an in depth answer.
Thank you so much for your time Jo,
Thelou
Hello Kevin,
If you do not mind, I would like to comment on your post, as that exact topic has been an issue with me for years. Even seriously thought about suicide oh.. 100 times or so.
QuoteOk, so we reincarnate to become at one with all entity
We do not reincarnate to become one with all entity, we already are one with all entity. We incarnate to experience first off the ability to not know everything. (In spirit we have access to all knowledge there ever was or will be). Second we incarnate to be able to experience ourselves. Just ourselves without being a part of the collective hole of everything. (If you have ever watched startrek it is like the Borg, in spirit all minds are connected to each other). Only by incarnating into physical can we experience things like hot or cold, love or hate.
Yes you will come back. Not because you have to but because you will want to. Perhaps not this planet perhaps another one. But you will want to come back to physical and will do so over and over again. For two reasons.
1. Eventually, even if it take hundreds of "years" you will get board being only in spirit form. Many times my thoughts were how much I disliked being in physical and that I would never come back to this place that has brought me so much negative feelings. But eventually we will want to come back even for a vacation from non physical.
2. It is inevitable that from spirit one day you will discover something that intrigues you and you will want to experience it. For example lets say all of your lives you have been a male. One day you might be talking with a friend (in the sprit realm) and she tells you how wonderful it is to be a woman, and you might just say to yourself that I think I want to know what that is like, and poof you will be born as a girl. I know that is a bit extreme but it makes the point. And we do that.
QuoteHowever you say that I picked this life. Well that must mean my subconscious or my spirit picked this life.
It is not quite as cut and dry as that. Trust me those thoughts plagued my mind also. (I personally am a very black or white person, but im working on fixing that). We do not actually pick our lives in the manner that you are thinking. More like we pick out a handful of events or circumstances such as our gender, our parents, what part of the world we will be born in, and a handful of experiences that we desire to live through. Or what many people will call lessons.
For example you might very well have said before your birth that you need to know what it is like to hate life, because in your last life you loved it very much.
We come here to EXPERIENCE things like that.
QuoteThis is me saying this, my conscious mind. I don't want to come back. I've always had this inner feeling that I'm not supposed to be here. Is that a lie? Why must there be two of me, this just seems not fair to me.
Your inner feeling that you are not supposed to be here is a wonderful blessing that you are not yet aware of. You have a feeling that you are a divided being and that part of you resides elsewhere. That is true you are. It is a blessing in disguise because you are several steps further along than many people.
You are aware of your "inner being" and that you are a spiritual person, a great many people have not "evolved" to that point yet.
You are supposed to be here, it is your instinct of your "other self" that has you wondering about that. It comes from confusion, please don't get me wrong, what I am trying to say is that you are looking for information. That is what we do when we do not understand something. (And JoWo is great at helping people understand stuff, have you read his excellent book)?
QuoteWhy must there be two of me
Fantastic question, ready for the answer? There are more than just two of you. There are hundreds, thousands.
Your main body is spirit. Spirit can never leave a place we call "Heaven". It is spirit, it cannot be physical. That is why God invented the physical realm. So that God through us can experience what it is like to be physical. There is a different "part" of you that has branched off so to speak and is living all of your lives at the same time.
But you are only aware of the two of you that is your present body that is Kevin, and your inner being or spirit. And it will not seem "fair" until you realize that you are a part of it, not the other way around.
Realize what a blessing you have, you are aware that you have an inner being, most are not there yet. Now the challenge is to learn how to be in harmony with your inner being that resides outside of the physical realm. That is how/when you will be blessed with unity of All Entity.
Hope that helps,
Thelou
Thank you thelou and JoWo for this thread. I actually have the book in question in my Amazon queue and am anxiously waiting for its arrival. Like you, i have read many metaphysical books (not thousands, but a lot, and i'm still fairly young) and then dozens of articles from online. I agree with all of the metaphysical concept proposed above, even if i do not have a full grasp of them all. Often when i read a passage or a theory, i will have a deep understanding of it, but if time passes and i don't refresh that memory, it clouds over, becomes hazy, and the lesson must be repeated. I've tried reading through Alice Bailey, whose work with the Tibetan is wonderful, but it is so deeply abstract at times that it serves to only confuse me. Yet at the same time she touches on many, many topics that JoWo addresses as well. It has been my understanding that we are to seek answers from as many sources as possible, to ask questions, and to take no answer blindly as the truth. We are test, validate, doubt, and only through experience and understanding, come to accept that which is truth for ourself. I still have a ways to go, but i have many people (and spirits) to help me.
Kevin, my friend, take it easy! You are the one who is creating the reality that you hate so much! You draw to yourself whatever you focus on, and you sure appear to be focused on hating this life. I have news for you, Kevin, you will keep on coming back to physical life until you learn to love it. Our world here is part of God, part of the harmonious wholeness of All-Entity. As long as you hate any part of God, you cannot be in harmony with God, and therefore you cannot Awaken to the wholeness of the All. You'll be stuck in this environment as long as you hate it. The proper antidote is to practice unconditional Love.
The first step to unconditional Love is to accept what is. It's a matter of being realistic. You can't change things unless you first see things as they are, and, believe me, you can't do this if you are consumed by anger. You appear frustrated because you don't understand the sense of it all, but it is your own resentment that prevents you from understanding it because it takes love to tune into what you want to understand.
You wrote:
QuoteI've always had this inner feeling that I'm not supposed to be here.
Have you ever considered that this could be a long-standing prejudice of yours that you must overcome it by learning to love it here? It is certainly possible to love this life on Earth, lots of people do. I can tell you from my own experience, it's much more fun than hating it.
You can do it, Kevin :)
Jo.
Hi Thelou,
Re your Dec. 5 message, let me try an allegory. Suppose you are going on a cruise with the hope that you'll find the love of your life among the passengers. Turns out that your particular ship had only seniors on board, beyond your age of interest. You had total free will to choose any cruise, but you have to live with your choice, even though you might not be entirely happy with it. We have to live with the consequences of our choices, once we have made them.
By the same token, before you embark on a new life in physical reality, you select conditions aimed at going through certain experiences. However, you cannot nail down all details in advance and set your life on autopilot. Then, during your lifetime, you do the best you can, but not everything may turn out as you would like. Yes, nicer alternatives do exist in "parallel universes" because the multi-dimensional domain contains all conceivable possibilities. But you are stuck with the choices you had made earlier until they have played out. You can try to go to a different deck on your cruise liner, but you can't hop from one ship to another before your cruise is over. We do have free will, but we must live by it.
Incidentally, it may well be true that this certain lady loves you in a parallel universe, and the You that you are experiencing now is teaching you how it feels not to be loved in return. Who knows why you need this experience.
Also, I believe that this limitation is not unique to being loved by someone. Seth tells us that we have great latitude in creating our own reality, however we cannot grow a new leg that we may have lost in an accident. We have great freedom of will, but within certain gross limitations that we can accept without feeling deprived. Hopping freely between parallel universes appears to be one of them, and I assume that it is for a good reason. Otherwise, we would probably not learn our lessons.
One last thought on this subject, Thelou. You can be 100% sure that the certain lady loves you in ultimate reality, which is All-Entity, because at that level all parts are united in unconditional Love.
Best wishes to you, Thelou!
Jo.
Thanks Jo,
You always have words of wisdom that give reassurance.
Here is the funny thing. She also in this life is very much in love with me. She is just too afraid to allow herself to love fully, so she has retreated so that she does not have to deal with the issues.
Dr. Harville Hendrix in his book "keeping the love you find" explains that each of us have baggage left over from our dysfunctional childhoods that affect us in our adult life. And I know what hers is as well as mine.
Now that I have a better understanding of what is going on in her present, I am more capable of letting her go with the unconditional love that we all deserve.
Thelou
Hello Narfellus, and welcome to the thread.
QuoteIf but we knew the power of our thoughts we would guard them more closely.
That quote is familiar, who said it? Was it Cochease?
I believe i quoted it from Betty Eadie, but it might easily be from another source as well.
Quote from: thelou
Dr. Harville Hendrix in his book "keeping the love you find" explains that each of us have baggage left over from our dysfunctional childhoods that affect us in our adult life.
oh lord, isn't that true. I notice this in my life often. A book that was ueful for me (and which i should read again, it has been a long time) was the Toltec book Mastery of Love by Don Miguel Ruiz. It explained a lot of the How's and Why's people hurt each other so much, and how to stop it.
Wow, I bought that book, but never read it. Guess I need to find it and read it.
Thanks,
Thelou
Hello Thelou,
Re: Love. It sounds like you hopped into a closer parallel universe after all! :D .
Jo.
Yes, I guess you could say that. It seems that I keep moving from one to the other, then back and forth agin.
If this is all true, sure wish I could learn how to control it better.
Thelou
Quotesure wish I could learn how to control it better
Don't we all? :D
Jo.
JoWo
Quoteyou cannot nail down all details in advance and set your life on autopilot. Then, during your lifetime, you do the best you can, but not everything may turn out as you would like. ... Who knows why you need this experience.
You say we cant accurately plan what will happen during our physical lives, but then say it was meant to be that way. It cant have random elements AND be planned the exact way it turns out.
Update: Joachim Wolff's book, Understanding The Grand Design for anyone interested in reading it, can be obtained from Trafford Publishing. This link should get you there: http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/robots/02-1283.html
:-)