How can you not want to know where astral and string theory fit together?

[beavis]

String theory, and its higher dimensional form M-Theory, simply means that everything in the world is made of sheets of vibrating stuff (the unified field) that have some number of dimensions, and all the differences in kinds of materials are just different kinds of vibrations.

Many of us know from experience the reality of astral and powers of the mind to move things and change events and explore other forms of existence.

Even if you dont know most of the science, how can you not want to know, or need to know, whats happening to you? How can you say its just religion and leave it at that?

How can you take these as 2 separate things when they are continuously part of the one universe?

How can you just move on as if its not important? You look at 2 important pieces of the secrets of the universe and dont take the time to ask how they're related or experiment with combinations.

[Xanth]

Because I don't need to know the inner workings of a car in order to drive it. 

[beavis]

Enjoy your car, but some of us need intergalactic power grids, dyson rings, transporter beams, and circuits made of those kind of things for long distance communication and transport of a variety of forms not found in the limited view called "physical reality". Whats the point in staying what you are forever?

[LightBeam]

I think most of us who are able to experience the astral consciously are aware of this fact. When I heard about the string theory for the first time around the late 1990s I was like well, finally the scientists are getting somewhere. They are just moving very slow,  because they refuse to open their minds and let go of the surface physical laws.
Realities like our are formed of very very slow vibratory rate energy, making it hard to be manipulated quickly by our driving forces (thoughts). But it is formed of the same type of energy like any other reality, which we tend to call astral, simply because to us there is a huge distinction between the two, and here we need to have dens bodies made of the same vibratory rate particles in order to interact. On the surface it looks like our reality can not be manipulated by thoughts, but I think that ultimately it was created by collective thoughts and it continues to be molded and changed according to individual and mass consciousness tendencies and beliefs. We can not notice it because of the time, space factor here. So,  we are aware of all that, and I personally am not interested in studying in details what the scientists are struggling with and their efforts to prove certain things through mathematical formulas, because simply it will not work this way and they will be stuck in this stage for a long time.   

[Volgerle]

Even if you dont know most of the science, how can you not want to know, or need to know, whats happening to you? How can you say its just religion and leave it at that?

It seems to me you are stating the usual dichotomy case here. That's what materialist-atheists fighting against creationist-fundamentalists do all of the time: There is the one box and then there is the other. Either you are into "science" (or is it only scientism after all?) or you are into "religion".

I choose none of the boxes. Both are limiting.

Moreover, science is not only ontological or 'mathematical', it is also foremost empirical. This is where it starts. In fact, I believe most science is empirical. You make observations, then test it rigourously and then do statistics about it. Then replicate your observations by tests (or fail to do so). Only later come theories on how it works (better: could work, because every model is not to be confused with reality itself, but only a tentative approximation, the map not being the landscape - even Steven Hawking said this in his latest book).

So the 'deep' maths/physics-formula-based science is step two. Step one is also science already. And there is not only mainstream reductionist science as they want to make you believe. There's metaphysical / occult / esoteric science and also naturopath-medicine science which is all more or less based on empirical data: You test, you observe and see what works, not necessarily yet "why" or "how" exactly it works. AP actually for me is a personal science too.

Btw, modern 'evidence'-based science almost works like this too. E.g. I've read somewhere that they only very recently found out how Aspirin really works in all detail (in theory!), before that it was evidence-based and empirical too. Most medicine is. But no one of them tells you so. 

Hence: No one needs string theories for this, at least not on a personal basis. Yes, it is a good to know and trains your intellect, also good if it interests you and if you are into physics, but not more.

And moreover, do we really know if the string or M-theory is correct after all? Most models get revised or even thrown into the bin after years or even after decades. Do we know if the Big Bang is real? I have my doubts.

We as a society and our scientists only start to explore and ponder over these things from our reduced and reductionist viewpoint. Maybe we need a more holistic model one day. Maybe we need a kind of science that is not invented or discovered yet? I doubt that string theory or any other on the 'market place' of scientific explanations on offer does yield a satisfactory model.

For all it's worth, just my two cents on this.

[Xanth]

Enjoy your car, but some of us need intergalactic power grids, dyson rings, transporter beams, and circuits made of those kind of things for long distance communication and transport of a variety of forms not found in the limited view called "physical reality".

You mean the technological outcomes of studying such concepts?
More technology is always good and I'm definitely not against those things you mentioned.   

I thought you were asking from a strictly "how to projection" perspective.  In that, to project, I don't have to know anything about how anything else works. 

Whats the point in staying what you are forever?

This sentence of yours confuses me.
I am fundamentally consciousness... that is what I'll be forever.  LoL
I am what I am.

[Stillwater]

some of us need intergalactic power grids, dyson rings, transporter beams, and circuits made of those kind of things for long distance communication and transport of a variety of forms

Intergalactic power grids and rings around the sun? What, did you ask Santa for a Sports Stadium too?

Humanity can do and create some pretty cool things, but I don't think we need machines stretching the entire breadth of the galaxy to see that a lot of it is vanity that doesn't help us in the least. We are going to have computers of supreme power very soon, and an entire landscape constructed and maintained by nano-bots... that is enough change to send anyone's head spinning for centuries... why do we need to fundamentally alter the entire solar system with a massive ring that may ultimately change the prospects of life in our solar system forever? We are just one race, and we haven't proven yet we are disciplined enough to last forever here, so we probably shouldn't take steps that may deny our successors their future.

[beavis]

finally the scientists are getting somewhere. They are just moving very slow,  because they refuse to open their minds and let go of the surface physical laws.

An act of ignorance just as bad as religious people who only look at the holistic side of it but not how it works.

Realities like our are formed of very very slow vibratory rate energy, making it hard to be manipulated quickly by our driving forces (thoughts). But it is formed of the same type of energy like any other reality, which we tend to call astral, simply because to us there is a huge distinction between the two, and here we need to have dens bodies made of the same vibratory rate particles in order to interact. On the surface it looks like our reality can not be manipulated by thoughts,

I've seen from many perspectives that this reality, compared to astral and superpositioned particles, is more dense and therefore would have to be lower frequency per volume in any number of dimensions.

but I think that ultimately it was created by collective thoughts and it continues to be molded and changed according to individual and mass consciousness tendencies and beliefs.

Many times I've seen my thoughts affect and be affected by large and small patterns of events. But you could say the same of how a city forms, by the thoughts of its members and people thinking about moving there. People did create the city, but they didnt create the dimensions the city occupies.

We can not notice it because of the time, space factor here. So,  we are aware of all that, and I personally am not interested in studying in details what the scientists are struggling with and their efforts to prove certain things through mathematical formulas, because simply it will not work this way and they will be stuck in this stage for a long time.

Artificial intelligence, which I research how to build new kinds of, can solve hard problems like that for us and drop the solution in a file for us to use any way we like, if we can just find a way to define in math what we're looking for.

It seems to me you are stating the usual dichotomy case here. That's what materialist-atheists fighting against creationist-fundamentalists do all of the time: There is the one box and then there is the other. Either you are into "science" (or is it only scientism after all?) or you are into "religion".

I choose none of the boxes. Both are limiting.

You shouldnt live in a box. Many people do. But refusing to simultaneously exist in both boxes and whats outside of them is itself a kind of box. Inside, outside, any way you're up against the walls.

Hence: No one needs string theories for this, at least not on a personal basis. Yes, it is a good to know and trains your intellect, also good if it interests you and if you are into physics, but not more.

Of course my Human body grew here on Earth, but as a spirit I'm from very far away, outside the galaxy at least, different number and shape of dimensions than we have here on Earth, and I find it bizarre that thought does not normally move objects everywhere all the time as I have relearned a little telekinesis and telepathy, and I find it bizarre that everyone does not fold space with their thoughts continuously all the time and in some form travel between galaxies in the blink of an eye. Maybe you don't personally need string theory, but I need to know whats been happening, what are these things I vaguely remember, and how to proceed on that.

And moreover, do we really know if the string or M-theory is correct after all? Most models get revised or even thrown into the bin after years or even after decades. Do we know if the Big Bang is real? I have my doubts.

I'm not convinced they have all the particle types right, but they at least have the core idea right that everything is made of different kinds of vibrations in some number of dimensions, and they're at least close, still lacking integration with large scale gravity but close.

We as a society and our scientists only start to explore and ponder over these things from our reduced and reductionist viewpoint. Maybe we need a more holistic model one day. Maybe we need a kind of science that is not invented or discovered yet?

Thats exactly what I'm saying, from the large scale to small and from small to large, and whatever other directions and patterns you can see the universe from.

You mean the technological outcomes of studying such concepts?
More technology is always good and I'm definitely not against those things you mentioned.

I dont see technology as different from spirit, when it gets advanced and accurate enough. Theres only 1 kind of thing in the universe. They call it the "unified field", however it may vibrate and form into shapes and dimensions.

I thought you were asking from a strictly "how to projection" perspective. In that, to project, I don't have to know anything about how anything else works.

Thats part of it. The more perspectives you understand it from, the more skilled at projecting, and generally getting things done in the universe, you will be.

Whats the point in staying what you are forever?
This sentence of yours confuses me.
I am fundamentally consciousness... that is what I'll be forever.  LoL
I am what I am.

True, but some forms are more conscious than others. If a spirit knows how its parts work, as in the unified field, it can vibrate in ways it otherwise couldnt imagine and affect the world in new ways.

Intergalactic power grids and rings around the sun? What, did you ask Santa for a Sports Stadium too?

I'm not asking for a handout. I'm talking about things I maybe can eventually or many of us working together sooner could build.

Humanity can do and create some pretty cool things, but I don't think we need machines stretching the entire breadth of the galaxy to see that a lot of it is vanity that doesn't help us in the least. We are going to have computers of supreme power very soon, and an entire landscape constructed and maintained by nano-bots... that is enough change to send anyone's head spinning for centuries... why do we need to fundamentally alter the entire solar system with a massive ring that may ultimately change the prospects of life in our solar system forever? We are just one race, and we haven't proven yet we are disciplined enough to last forever here, so we probably shouldn't take steps that may deny our successors their future.

I agree that most Humans arent ready for those kind of things, and I wasnt planning on helping them get too far ahead of what they could do on their own. The rest can be done far from Earth as it is naturally things that happen over large distances and can only be done by those who can work on those distances. See what I wrote above "Of course my Human body grew here on Earth, but as a spirit I'm from very far away"... Its not for my Human desires that I would use such things. I dont want to live on streets of gold like is said about christian heaven or anything like that. There are kinds of life forms and math and patterns and shapes I want to build.

[Stillwater]

You might remember the "Borg" from Star trek... the race of cyborgs living as a collective hive mind all linked up together; they had a goal of achieving perfect knowledge and perfection of form, but in order to do that, their method was to take over resources on as wide a scale as possible, and put down anyone resisting their expansion. I think that might be an instructive picture here. The "Borg" had lofty and potentially admirable goals, but in order for their goals to be met, they needed all the marbles, and their goal also excluded anyone else's potential goals (like living) from being met.

I think that is what humanity taking over the galaxy's resources means to me. We have some interesting and noteworthy goals, but I am not sure what I have seen of humanity so far leads me to be comfortable with humans or human derivatives commanding the galaxy's resources, and of necessity denying any other possible goals anyone else would devise.  Afterall, when you hand out cupcakes to children, you give one to each, not all of them to two or three children, if you want to maximize the enjoyment derived. I think we can do quite a lot on just this rock or maybe 2-3 other rocks without needing to horde all the rocks.

[Xanth]

Yup.  Gotta learn to work together and share.
THAT is the key to surviving.

Look at what's happening right now in our world... as a human-race, we would be so much more evolved technologically, if everyone just decided to work together instead of the current "MINE MINE MINE" mindset. 

[beavis]

I would like to make use of borg-like tech, but not the parts where they force their will on others.

The Human species will become ready for galaxy size things much sooner than most expect because of new ways of networking minds together through the Internet and metaphysically, by choice.

There are huge resources out there not being used by anyone.

In my research toward new ways to represent thoughts in a visual interactive way using artificial intelligence tools so we can see how the thoughts of many people fit together like a big puzzle in a shared Internet space, and to hook it into metaphysics after that is working, it should give people a way to work together toward bigger goals and far more efficiently than was possible before.

[Lionheart]

The Human species will become ready for galaxy size things much sooner than most expect because of new ways of networking minds together through the Internet and metaphysically, by choice.

There are huge resources out there not being used by anyone.

The "quarantine" that has been put on present Humanity will not be lifted until Humanity shows it is ready to accept more. Just take a look at the Daily news and you can see that we definitely are not ready yet.

True there are "huge resources out there that aren't being used by anyone", but we must show that we are ready to use them before we will be able to.

You could actually put Scientology as a comparison to the Borg. I once worked for a company of Scientologists years ago. I wanted to learn more about them, simply because of curiosity. What I saw is that they took a member into a hotel for a couple for weeks and "brow beat" this person, (meaning insulted him with everything they could do or say). Their purpose was to interfere with the person's natural feelings. To make them strong enough to want to succeed, no matter what the price was. They loved to take people that were "down and out" and rebuild them their own way.

Basically what I saw was they were trying to take the Human out of Humanity. This goal would leave the person as a real go-getter, that had no conscience for their actions.

They tried to get me to join. I said "HELL NO"!  

[Stillwater]

Hubbard had no compassion for humanity when he carelessly released scientology upon us. He knew very well what he was making.

[beavis]

You could actually put Scientology as a comparison to the Borg. I once worked for a company of Scientologists years ago. I wanted to learn more about them, simply because of curiosity. What I saw is that they took a member into a hotel for a couple for weeks and "brow beat" this person, (meaning insulted him with everything they could do or say). Their purpose was to interfere with the person's natural feelings. To make them strong enough to want to succeed, no matter what the price was. They loved to take people that were "down and out" and rebuild them their own way.

Basically what I saw was they were trying to take the Human out of Humanity. This goal would leave the person as a real go-getter, that had no conscience for their actions.

I've heard there are 2 main groups of scientologists, those in the official core church of scientology, and those in the "free zone" which think its a good theory of psychology but are not obligated to the churches rules since they are not members. Which are you talking about?

"To make them strong enough to want to succeed, no matter what the price was" depends on your definition of success. If its to make the world a better place, for example, than to succeed nomatter the price is a good thing since hurting people to accomplish that goal would be toward failure.

The "quarantine" that has been put on present Humanity will not be lifted until Humanity shows it is ready to accept more. Just take a look at the Daily news and you can see that we definitely are not ready yet.

True there are "huge resources out there that aren't being used by anyone", but we must show that we are ready to use them before we will be able to.

Nobody has the right to keep someone else down in secret, and even out in the open it must be done for good reason and with the agreement of some kind of democracy. You dont just keep others down because you personally think they arent ready.

I came to Earth because I see potential in Humans and other forms here, to be more than how animals act, to expand their minds into many dimensions and new forms, and to interact with the bigger would around us in new ways. I expect this will only happen when a big enough surprise to the world happens, when they see how the world really works, that they start taking the future of the species and metaphysical forms seriously. Today most people think they have no ability to affect the world much, because it has become organized toward many pointless and often negative directions. If this "quarantine" you said is making that happen more, making people think they cant get anything big done, then it has to go because it is in the way of the right kind of progress. The Human species will change when minds become more networked together both through the Internet and metaphysically and combinations of it, because they will see what is really happening and be able to understand it on a larger scale. We are all gods at least in potential, and anyone who stands in the way of these things that need to happen will find out what that really means.

So what is this "quarantine" and how does it proceed, at least in your understanding of it?