At the turn of the last century Physicists figured out that there has to be a non-place** which they called Quantum-gap (Unified Field) to explain the Universe. Very simply: they figured out that without this Quantum-gap the Universe simply could not exist. Just like the Universe could not exist without the non-place/timeless Now it also could also not exist without the Quantum-gap. These Physicists however, did not get this Quantum-gap's Monism Message.
Physicists did not get the Quantum-gaps' Monism Message because they used their dualistic language exactly like religions use it: they used language to create more and more differences between words -- like electrons and protons, matter and antimatter, waves and particles, god and devil -- that the Universe needs to not only appear real, but also keep expanding -- with the Information Age always faster and faster.
Over 5000 years ago Hindu Sages around the Indus River, in India, used effortless-meditation to study thoughts. By studying their thoughts these Sages also came up with the same Quantum-gap that Modern Physics would figure out nearly five-thousand years later. But unlike Physicists these Sages got the Monism Message of this Quantum-gap that these Sages called, amongst a lot of other things, Atman, SELF, Samadhi otherwise Now.
These Sages got the Monism Message because they did not use language to create more and more differences between words like all religions and science must do to make their Universe appear real.
Instead of using language to create more and more differences between words these Sages went the other way with their language: they used language to erodes the difference between words. The language that erodes the differences between words was/is the language of Monism, Non-duality, Advaita. The more they used Monism to erode the differences between words the more these differences between words become less and less until... the Universe can no longer appear real because it is nothing but words, thoughts, the Quantum-gap's or SELF's, Now's, Atman's thoughts, fiction.
-- Really Reality.
** A non-place is like the Now into which no time can enter, not even a millisecond, Never Ever -- not even if God performed a impossible-miracle could time enter the Now, never-ever. So much so that if somehow time did enter the Now - even for a millisecond it would make the Universe vanish, literally -- and not even God's impossible-miracles could save it, also literally. (Impossible-miracles would work in non-places that God cannot fathom let alone enter, not even in his most wildest dreams)
A non-place is like the movie-screen that no character that appears to play on it can enter: not even if that character is played by God himself could he enter the movie-screen, never-ever.
A non-place is also inside a book or inside the computer that no imaginary character can get out of or into, not even if that Character is God.
* bump * good one.
QuoteA non-place is like the movie-screen that no character that appears to play on it can enter: not even if that character is played by God himself could he enter the movie-screen, never-ever.
isn't there a new movie about some guy who can jump into movie's and television shows?
I hope that never really happens, that would annoy me! Some guy jumping into the middle of my favorite show- The nerve!
I was actually just posting elsewhere about this.
This line of logic leads one to conclude that there is a realm of nothing, one with absolutely no interaction with our universe.
However, if it doesn't interact, what's the point of it?
That is, by definition, nothingness.
genep,
QuoteAt the turn of the last century Physicists figured out that there has to be a non-place** which they called Quantum-gap (Unified Field) to explain the Universe. Very simply: they figured out that without this Quantum-gap the Universe simply could not exist. Just like the Universe could not exist without the non-place/timeless Now it also could also not exist without the Quantum-gap. These Physicists however, did not get this Quantum-gap's Monism Message.
Yes this non place is needed for existence to come into being. Strange as it seems you need non existence to have existence. "Zero point moment", "Omega point" is another word to decribe this impossible concept
Alan
it seems like the more sense u try to make of the theory the more u begin at the beginning of the theory again...It's like in our present state as human beings it is highly difficult for our minds to transcend the "revolving door" we call conventional thought...This is totally a more of the most pure essential physics, those that cannot be discovered by human beings unless we first start within ourselves and learn everything possible and trace that back to the paradox that is the origin of everything/nothing/the universe, learning and understanding everything on our way to reaching an understanding of that origin...This theory makes some good arguable points yet it can only remain a theory until mankind has an understanding of everything created as a byproduct of the paradoxic origin of everything and nothing... I do agree with the logic though...Also with the conventional thought of the characteristics of a God figure he/she/it is not bound by any law of physics of any sort...and it would not be wrong for someone to conclude that this God figure would indeed be the realm of non-existence...as well as the realm of existence because from within this figure came the creation of everything whether it exists or does not...God is a paradox but the fact does not rule out that this figure exists or holds the power that he/she/it is known for having "all encompassing, even that of which does not exist" I could keep going but this would become highly redundant so i guess i am done
QuoteImpossible-miracles would work in non-places that God cannot fathom let alone enter, not even in his most wildest dreams)
Personally I think its wrong to put limitations on God! Did you ever stop to think that this non-place is God? Have you never heard of the three negative veils of existance? This is not a new theory and has been taught throughout the mysteries for ages.
I guess it all depends on what God we're talking about, the one with the head of a lion, the one with the head of a bear, the one with the head of a cat, the one with the head of an eagle, the one with the head of a donkey, the one with the head of a sheep...
genep, you don't really don't know what you're talking about. If God does indeed exist, then he can do anything. If he created the Universe, then he can do anything. You understand? Anything! And you, as a human, trying to explain things with science does not work. What you said was paradoxical and irrational. You were talking about God as if God exists, yet you contradict yourself by using a scientific explanation to refute an immaterial God. Thus, your whole argument falls apart. If God is the creator of the Universe, he can fathom anything, and do anything.
"Impossible-miracles would work in non-places that God cannot fathom let alone enter, not even in his most wildest dreams"
Sorry, but this makes you sound stupid. Like I said before. You are open to the possibility of God, yet you say he cannot fathom or enter non places. How is this? They say God is outside space and time. If so, then these "non-places" would be where God is!
"A non-place is also inside a book or inside the computer that no imaginary character can get out of or into, not even if that Character is God."
Explain that. Unless you mean that God is imaginary, such as an imaginary story would be, then your whole argument explaining how God cannot enter non-places would fall apart, because then you would be stating that God is imaginary, pulling apart your whole theory that he cannot fathom or enter non-places. Because if he was imaginary, why even mention him as an entity and try to describe his limits? There would be no point.
"Very simply: they figured out that without this Quantum-gap the Universe simply could not exist."
Maybe that is it genep. The ticket to the Universe. As said before: If god does exist outside space and time, and God apparently created the Universe, then perhaps God exists inside this Quantum Gap, from which he created the Universe. So, your argument does not make sense.
Quote from: PissedOff24 on March 01, 2009, 14:46:17
genep, you don't really don't know what you're talking about.... then perhaps God exists inside this Quantum Gap, from which he created the Universe. So, your argument does not make sense.
ONLY if you have the courage/audacity to go up to God and metaphorically kick him, and his bible, in the butt can you realize that with a kick in the butt God can only do one of two things: turn around long enough to vanish as the devil ... or he can turn around and hug you for finding him.
Without this audacity/courage you are just a blithering idiot
that worships a god that needs all sorts of fairy-tales to appear real...
a God whose backside is the devil,
or a God that needs a dualistic-devil to appear real.
wreally reality
Would you like some spam with that?
Quote from: Kyrin Blair on May 17, 2008, 17:00:13
I was actually just posting elsewhere about this.
This line of logic leads one to conclude that there is a realm of nothing, one with absolutely no interaction with our universe.
However, if it doesn't interact, what's the point of it?
That is, by definition, nothingness.
yes this, your, nothingness is Now -- all things that are not-now come out of the Now only to vanish into it.
the point of it? there is none, but perhaps a joke:
that something that comes out of the Now only to vanish back into it can be different from
something else that comes out of the same Now only to also disappear back into it.
Why was my post deleted? Oh well, repost:
Lol, so you don't log in for a year and a half, and then you carry on with your pointless drivel? *Sigh* some people never really do change...
Oh wow, you're so cool. And here I was thinking it's May 2009, and people have changed for the better. *Sigh*I guess people never change. And yet you don't delete genep's post when he is clearly on acid and his post is less useful than a piece of trash!
Delete this or not, I'm right. Thank you for proving my point, good night.
AND, I could say that this whole forum is "pointless drivel" because OBE's are almost completely proven to be in the mind. Stop trying to hang on to illusions and pipe dreams, you damn hypocrites.
What you so angry about Fire?.. you having a bad day, or bad life?
Quotebecause OBE's are almost completely proven to be in the mind
QuoteYes this non place is needed for existence to come into being
QuoteImpossible-miracles would work in non-places that God cannot fathom let alone enter, not even in his most wildest dreams
People are typing a lot of interesting stuff in this thread without any particular desire to clarify their logic, lol. A common bit which bears repeating is that
if you are introducing a concept that is not widely accepted by others, you must explain your reasoning, or you are speaking to yourself. 8-)
Quote from: Naykid on May 30, 2009, 00:18:34
What you so angry about Fire?.. you having a bad day, or bad life?
Lol nope, I have a pretty good life, I'm just sick and tired of people on the net dishing out insults and trying to act all slick when they have crappy lives themselves. Just saying, I'm not letting some kid, or some older guy, think he's better than me and starts insulting me, when he doesn't question ANYTHING about the post the OP made, when the OP is clearly on acid. Hypocrites.
Quote from: fireandflames17 on May 30, 2009, 10:29:09
Lol nope, I have a pretty good life, I'm just sick and tired of people on the net dishing out insults and trying to act all slick when they have crappy lives themselves. Just saying, I'm not letting some kid, or some older guy, think he's better than me and starts insulting me, when he doesn't question ANYTHING about the post the OP made, when the OP is clearly on acid. Hypocrites.
I appreciate your honesty. And may I say in the same breath, that, yes, you are angry.... and that is ok. It's a matter of figuring out where that anger lies... LOL I sound like Dr. Phil.. never mind Fireandflames, I have no right to talk about your feelings in such a manner. (but I was curious)
Quote from: Naykid on June 05, 2009, 20:14:18
I appreciate your honesty. And may I say in the same breath, that, yes, you are angry.... and that is ok. It's a matter of figuring out where that anger lies... LOL I sound like Dr. Phil.. never mind Fireandflames, I have no right to talk about your feelings in such a manner. (but I was curious)
No. I am tired of people like you on the net always making assumptions. Read what I posted above. You know nothing about me or who I am.
genep i think u made a good point and thanx for sharing it.
the concept of nothingness is a concept i cant get my head around.of course before the first atom appeared there must have been nothing and before the last atom disappears again they will be nothing.but nothing cannot be described with words as colours or height or width nor any discriptive words becuse then it becomes something because if man can describe it it is not nothing.
how can god and nothingness be in exsistence at the same time tho?
to say that they are would mean that there would be a limitation on nothingness to make the boundary of god.and to put limitations again makes it an object or concept.
again time is a man made concept used for to meausre. time can be used to describe in words aging and to give a rough idea of how long ago so that our limited minds can grasp the concept.but if we were nt here then in theory there would be no time.
i mean you dont see the asteroids going "2.00 clock " we should just be passing mars by now.everything has its own course and natural patterns but we imply the rules of time.
so without us there is no time
also nothingness cant be if there are beings to percieve it so nothingness could simply be the eradication of al life and perception.cause if we cant percieve it then its not real.right?
just my thoughts
Quote from: fireandflames17 on June 06, 2009, 14:42:30
No. I am tired of people like you on the net always making assumptions. Read what I posted above. You know nothing about me or who I am.
:lol: Yeah, I can tell you have no angry going on. I do apologize, unfortunately, or fortunately I have this incredible need to figuring out what I'm feeling behind any given person on any given day and I haven't posted in quite awhile and the urge was too overwhelming to ignore, so there ya go. Actually now that I really think about it, this was a great test for me, because like you I was tired of people on the net and got quite grumpy. Had I encountered you a few months ago, I believe I would have ripped you a new one. I quite proud of myself. :-D
Sorry, but "ripping someone a new one" on the internet is nothing to proud of. Sorry.
First post btw :evil:.
Quote from: redblackmask on June 07, 2009, 19:13:37
Sorry, but "ripping someone a new one" on the internet is nothing to proud of. Sorry.
First post btw :evil:.
:-D I believe you misunderstood what I said.. I am proud that I DIDN'T rip you.. I mean, fireandflames a new one, see?
Nice first post btw. :lol:
Hi,
I hope you do not confuse me with other guy,
I'm new here. I just think internet fighting is pointless,
that's all.
Quote from: redblackmask on June 07, 2009, 21:21:32
Hi,
I hope you do not confuse me with other guy,
I'm new here. I just think internet fighting is pointless,
that's all.
No, you do not confuse me at all redblackmask. :-) I can assure you, I'm not fighting but I do think that a healthy debate is a great thing and I'm learning to have that without the mud slinging.
Regarding the OP's topic, I myself have a hard time wrapping my mind around it, but in time I'm sure I'll get it. Heck, a few years ago I couldn't wrap my mind around parallel Universes and now I'm confident they exist and with me in them. :-D
What did you say? I said I wasn;t the other guy. I'm not trying to confuse you because i'm someone else and i just noticed that topic. And I don;t get why you are replying how like you are, you don't seem, to be that much of a nice person and all.
Quote from: redblackmask on June 08, 2009, 15:38:44
What did you say? I said I wasn;t the other guy. I'm not trying to confuse you because i'm someone else and i just noticed that topic. And I don;t get why you are replying how like you are, you don't seem, to be that much of a nice person and all.
:lol: I'm evil I say, evil.. Muhhahahahahaha. Can you get anymore ridiculous? How about you take a look at the few posts you've made here and tell me who's the rude buttwipe. You, you are the rude buttwipe if you don't get where I'm going with this. Oh, and why don't you stop acting like you know all the answers to life's questions. If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, hell I don't know what is. So, stop butting into threads that you don't even bother to read before giving your two cents that isn't even worth that.
Dang, so much for my lesson. :-o
why dont we just get back on topic i like this thread till every one started arguing for pointlessly nuttin.
why dont u all argue over pm instead of spamming our threads
Quote from: Naykid on June 08, 2009, 20:08:30
:lol: I'm evil I say, evil.. Muhhahahahahaha. Can you get anymore ridiculous? How about you take a look at the few posts you've made here and tell me who's the rude buttwipe. You, you are the rude buttwipe if you don't get where I'm going with this. Oh, and why don't you stop acting like you know all the answers to life's questions. If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, hell I don't know what is. So, stop butting into threads that you don't even bother to read before giving your two cents that isn't even worth that.
Dang, so much for my lesson. :-o
Lol, hmmmmm, it seems someone is having their time of the month.
It's kind of funny because you just contradicted yourself and your earlier posts with your last post.
I suggest you get some counseling, and maybe get a life and some friends kid.
It seems
YOU are the one who has some personal issues.
And by the way, I
don't know the answer to life's questions, I'm still searching, thank you. I really don't care if you think my opinion isn't worth anything, because judging by your posts you seem to be a kid with deep rooted personal issues that tries to make himself feel mighty by trying to put others down. Your opinion isn't worth more than the trash I look at every Wednesday when it's garbage day.
Go bathe in your sea of insecurity somewhere else.
Quote from: redblackmask on June 08, 2009, 21:15:39
Lol, hmmmmm, it seems someone is having their time of the month.
It's kind of funny because you just contradicted yourself and your earlier posts with your last post.
I suggest you get some counseling, and maybe get a life and some friends kid.
It seems YOU are the one who has some personal issues.
And by the way, I don't know the answer to life's questions, I'm still searching, thank you. I really don't care if you think my opinion isn't worth anything, because judging by your posts you seem to be a kid with deep rooted personal issues that tries to make himself feel mighty by trying to put others down. Your opinion isn't worth more than the trash I look at every Wednesday when it's garbage day.
Go bathe in your sea of insecurity somewhere else.
Good one! As a woman I've never heard a guy blame having a period on why we have anger. :roll: As I expected you have no idea what you are talking about. You are doing nothing but parroting what you've read online and in books, one being the Quran and we all know that religion loves women. :roll: Geez, I might break the rolleyes today.
Let me tell you why I finally had enough of your attitude.
QuoteMost likely though they know you don't deserve to hear the answer to the information.
I first read this jewel from you the day before yesterday.... I thought.. well, maybe he meant to say, "you weren't ready" certainly he wouldn't tell someone they didn't deserve it, perhaps English isn't his first language. Then I read more of your stuff yesterday and you are practically telling ppl, no you are incorrect, this is how it is. I tend to agree with some of what you are saying, but it sounds like you got it out of a Sylvia Brown book and not from your own "meditation". Then yesterday you snapped at someone and said..
Quoteomg you hear what I say??
I'd like to hear specifics about your meditation and how you came to such knowledge. Did a guide show themselves, did Allah come to you and tell you these things.. how did it happen? I don't hold much stock in ppl that come onto forums with a bunch of links and vague stories on how they came about their knowledge, they start sounding like wannabe Gurus and false prophets. So, how bout it? Would you mind giving more personal accounts so we can learn from that and not some random guy, who just showed up the other day to spout from some books and websites?
Oh, and I have to tell you, that you are way off on your interpretation of me, but understandable, I didn't start out showing my best. At least you got it right that I'm female. :-D It must have been the buttwipe comment.. what manly, man would say buttwipe? :lol: :lol:
I was born in Italy and moved here when I was a kid, English is not my first language. I did not "snap" at him, I was just asking him if he understood what I said.
I'm not a false guru, I'm not a guru at all! I'm just sharing what I have learned so far, no hard feelings at all!
And when I said the thing about your period, it was just another way of saying that you seemed pretty upset and you need to calm down!
But you are coming across as rude and you don't seem to be that nice of a person. I still don't get why you seem so rude and full of hate, you're not big fighting on a forum.
And about the 'buttwipe' thing, I don't know. I know this forum has a built in swearing filter, it probably converted what was said into 'buttwipe' :wink:.
And I'm not spewing out anything, everything I say is based on personal experience. You must have a low self esteem if you try to attack me there.
And guys always joke about how women getting periods links to them being in a bad mood. So when they get their 'time of the month' they are usually in not as good of a mood.
Oh, one more thing: Everything I say is based on personal experience and I just hope to relay that info out so people can learn from it. If you are that concerned about false gurus on the internet, then you should NOT be spending your time on me, there are many frauds you can go after.
And when I go and post things, it is out of my own personal rights. I live in a free country with free speech so I have the right to post whatever I want and I will continue exercise that right whether you like it or not. And quite frankly, I'm also getting very tired of YOUR attitude. Seriously, what's with you? You must like me or something, you seem to care about everything I say, and you look what I'm posting :roll: :roll:
I am enjoying our little tête à tête but let us move on and be more constructive, I believe we both have had time to vent on each other. :)
When you talked about one answer you received in meditation was that we reinarnate in many worlds for many reasons. Some people are very earth bound, while others move all across the Universe. We are the same as animals in that regard. I was told that animals are here because their past actions (karma) dictated that they would become animals on earth in their next life. But, as I said before, I believe that we all have an essence, or energy body, that is alongside our biological bodies. Animals have that too.
HOW did this message come to you? What kind of meditation technique do you use to get that deep?
I've never had something so concrete told or shown to me while in trance. I have had many experiences with animals in the astral, in fact for years now, it seems I've taken to finding animals that are in horrific situations and "rescuing" them and I never got the impression they had a human essence or karma to deal with. I know that it was because of humans they were there though.
I could definitely communicate with them (not orally), and most of them seemed to have a higher level of consciousness, or awareness..something like that. Even my own pets that have past on seem to have the same feeling to them when they were here in the physical, only difference is we communicate a lot easier in the astral. It's not like a communication with a human.. they don't say, "hey there Nay, how's it going, you here to help me out of the hell hole?" LOL.. no, it's more of an emotional communication and I get pictures of situations, if that makes sense.
Anyhow, I find it all very fascinating and hope you give more insight into your techniques.
The key is to go into the meditation without any expectations except this: Since I am part of this Universe, there is no information that this Universe will withhold from me. I am part of everything.
Anyways, I don't really like this username anymore so I'll be back with a new name. Good luck with your meditation search.
Have you been reading Osho's books?
If not i think that you might be intressted.