the beginning of the universe(must read!)

[b12145]

EVERY THING has a beginning, even our great creator, find out how..............www.freewebs.com/b12145

[Awakened_Mind]

Unfortunately I don't have the time at the moment, but I'll type an extract out of a book I have on another theory.

-AM

[Sharpe]

That is the most absurd and theory i have ever heard... Man, why the hell would the "great intellect (pff)" want love? How the hell would he know what love is? Do you even know how isolation feels? Lets just not talk about the fact he didn't even met a person ever in his life before... God himself is a dumb theory to begin with. Nvm i'm not adding anything to this thread, I got better things to do... jesus bonking christ man...

[Awakened_Mind]

Science is a faculty concerned with studying how there is a universe. Religion studies 'why'.

Basically the book goes on to explain the creation of the universe in terms of an inbalance of energy. As we know now there is matter and anti-matter and the two can cause incredible amounts of energy during explosion. Such as the big bang. The theory arises from the fact that can positvie and negative, but also neutral. This is one of many theories the book touches on to explain it.

If anyones interested I'd recommend the book "God and the New Physics" by Paul Davies
"Explains with fluent simplicity some of the most profoundest questions of cosmology".

-AM

[b12145]

what im talking about has nothing to do with religion.

[Goober]

I don't believe this. How did you "find all this out", b12145?

[Nay]

Off topic, but had to say....Cool avatar Goober, very nice! 

[b12145]

this is has nothing to do with religion, jesus was place on earth by the thiaoobian's to save the world from total chaos 2000 years ago, i get my facts from them.

the thiaoobains are aliens, pretty strange huh, well they are super intelligent beings from a planet called thiaoobia. they have the same look as us, not what you see on t.v.
i don't want you to believe i want you to know
you want more read the prophecy, is a online book

here is additional information:  http://www.thiaoouba.com/faq.htm
and this is the book(just click on Thiaoouba Prophecy - English it's free): http://bioresonant.com/freebooks.html

[Awakened_Mind]

Who channels that information, or directly speaks to them?

-AM

[Goober]

Off topic, but had to say....Cool avatar Goober, very nice! 

Thanks 

[b12145]

the aliens

[Awakened_Mind]

The aliens expose this information by putting it on the net?

-AM

[b12145]

oh no, my mistake, the person the aliens gave the information to made the book. you should read it.

[Sharpe]

Thanks 

I like it too, it's got this cool psychedelic feeling in it 

[Awakened_Mind]

Who is the person they gave the information to? Why did they specifically choose out him? I have an open mind, but that doesn't mean it believes everything.

-AM

[loppoppy]

That is the most absurd and theory i have ever heard... Man, why the hell would the "great intellect (pff)" want love? How the hell would he know what love is? Do you even know how isolation feels? Lets just not talk about the fact he didn't even met a person ever in his life before... God himself is a dumb theory to begin with. Nvm i'm not adding anything to this thread, I got better things to do... jesus bonking christ man...

I have to agree with Sharpe concerning this theory. I dont buy this for one second. My usual open mind has bin snapped shut to this idea. Peace out.

[CFTraveler]

Now I'm going to nitpick:  consciousness, consciousness, consciousness;
of motion, of motion, of motion.

[Ambeth]

Close, but no cigar.

But yes, that theory is quite close. It makes some statements though which could be said to be in error. Words are indeed such a horrible method of communication, always open for misinterpretation.

1) Concept of time, no such thing exists. Time was never created, that is totally a human construct, we measure movement and call it time. There is only Now.

2) You said that we were created because God needed to experience love. God has no need, God exists in everything and is everything, for to have need you would have to miss something or rather, have the illusion of missing something. But when you are everything you can't experience that unless you have something to reflect yourself upon, to experience yourself through something and that is why we were "created".

3) As long as you respect him? God requires nothing from you, not even respect. You don't even have to believe in God. Again you fall into the trap of illusion of need.

4) "You see, the immense universe was created for us to learn from. It is only a class room, and not a home, well temporary." Not exactly, it is there so we can define ourselves as what we are and what we want to be. On Earth we are defining our personality and experiment with the subject of creating, so in a way its a class room but I would say its more of a sandbox environment.

I didn't really look much at the Thiaoouba website yet but from what I read it seems to be "legit". I have no conscious knowledge of that species but what they explained their society to be like I know of such advanced societies. I'm also aware of such species visiting our planet.

[b12145]

i like the a way you explained this im putting this on the site.

[Sharpe]

1) Concept of time, no such thing exists. Time was never created, that is totally a human construct, we measure movement and call it time. There is only Now.

I don't think so, lets say time is a wave, and that wave is the speed of light. When you travel that fast, the time stops for you but your surroundings continue, so you kinda travel into the future. According to Einstein this is just simple physics. I really don't think as simple about it as he does, but I do think what he says is logical. Though, I don't think you can travel BACK in time. Traveling into the future is possible.
And all the other things you said... I'm not gonna critisize that, because I'm starting to get the idea people don't like sceptics on these forums. I'm just gonna say politely, that I don't believe it and you shouldn't just say things like: "THIS IS THE TRUTH", be a little more: "My opinion is:/I think:", just because you believe solidly in something doesn't mean it's true, you are just giving an opinion, it can never be proved, understand?

[Ambeth]

Lets say we put that line on a flat surface, lets call that surface as Now, on that surface all the possible events exists as a possibility, thus being at a certain point you would perceive the Now from that point. Now your friend stays at that point and you move along that line at the speed of light you would perceive yourself from a different position on the layer giving you the illusion of separation of your friend in the first point, thus giving you illusion of time when you in fact exist on the same layer which is Now.

Ah, you take the philosophical standpoint that nothing is provable. You are correct in a way. So when the subject of truth is discussed we actually always discuss of opinions for a certain invidual, when two persons agree they share the same truth and opinions. You can't give a final answer or seemingly "a working answer" because you can only theorize on observations on what seems to work, this is because of behind everything is always a greater version of truth so you can never actually find a solid answer. You can however provide answer of what is truth to that person at the moment. So our definition of truth is different but you can probably understand why I speak in the way I do, I express that which is truth for me at any given moment. 

[Ambeth]

I decided to go a bit deeper into this, you will probably think I am delusional but that is alright, you can think whatever you like.

When you said that things aren't provable, could you consider changing provable with the concept of experiencable? Now you can probably agree that you can experience things but you can't say whether those are real or not. You can in certain positions like when you are laying down or sitting feel your heart beat, you can also feel it beat when you put it under stress. Most of the time you can't feel your heart pounding, but as you have experienced it you can assume its still there, doing what it is supposed to do. When it comes to spiritual things, things are often like that. If you have no experience of those things you presume those don't exist and who claim otherwise are delusional. Perhaps, or perhaps you are just lacking the experience?

What I'm saying is, your outer ego is lovingly spoon feeding you and most of the people on this Earth the nectar of reality through your senses. It is so sweet that you begin to assume that it is all there is to it. Skeptics are basically people who deny things, I am  telling you that if you would be capable of denying your senses, through training, spitting out that oh so sweet nectar, you could experience the reality as it really is. This is something you can't prove to others or let others experience. Others can though give you the keys (What do you think the "key" given to saint peter referred to in the bible was?) and show you the door. You must walk through it and experience it yourself. In other words, you go truly out of your mind, abandoning your senses, experiencing yourself and your reality as it truly is and your look on the world will never be the same again. And as a bonus no one will understand you anymore, not if they don't experience the same thing.

[b12145]

i don't think time is a illusion, time is  the measure of how fast energy vibrates. lets say the physical dimesion and the astral dimesion. 15 minutes here in the physical is about 5 or 6 hours in the astral.

[Ambeth]

Correct, you are measuring levels of vibration and then try to throw in movement into it. Thus, the concept of time is misleading, an illusion.

[Sharpe]

Heavens sake no, time isn't an illusion. Reality goes on and you can't do anything about it. Astral projecting IS an illusion, it's a lie that you go out your body. You just go in the sleep state consciously, and because u THINK you go to a different plane or something, you do go to a different plane IN YOUR MIND, it's not external. Humans are just molecules put together, your brains do the thinking. Everything, like astral projection or different planes or vibrations or w/e, it's all done in your brain. Now please don't give me this sceptic horseshit or that I'm not "open minded", trust me, my eyes are wide open, it's not my fault you got brainwashed to live in a dreamworld...