Time...

[LeonPrimrose]

I'm just curious to hear people's philosophies on time.

This is mine. It sorta relates time to us in our present abilities with time.
What is time but a series of memories...

[Wronski Feint]

Its a measurment of change.  Like a meter for distance.  Humans invented the concept of time.

[Nightwolf]

I know for a fact that time can be change I myself have had an experiance when the outcome has changed and I went back in time and I guess jumped into a different dimension... I told a friend of mine and he had a similar experiance but he stayed in the same dimension and went back an hour when I went back 17 min.

Sincerely,
Nightwolf

[CaCoDeMoN]

I agree with Wronski Feint. My concept of time is that it's directly related to matter and energy. It's a vector value that every particle has and without energy and/or matter time doesn't exist. The past and future are concepts created by humans(and to a smaller extent animals), I remember that someone on the forum said that both past and future are sets of probabilities. For physical world it's certainly true, and for astral planes it needs some research.

[OrionsDream]

I dont think time exists. We use time, because of 2 reasons.
Humans crave and need order. Breakfast time Lunch time Dinner time, time school starts, time each period ends, etc.
Also because we die, we arent immortal, and its just a matter of 'time' before we do die.

If we were immortal, and lived in a more free society, i dont think time would exist. All time is, is a fake measurment that is used within the human.
I suppose thats what you were saying though.

[beavis]

If time doesnt exist, dont take a job that pays hourly.

[OrionsDream]

okay let me rephrase that. Time exists to humans, because it is a mode of control, and we NEED it. How many times do you look at a clock or watch a day? I'll bet most people look at it a ton. I know i do.
time is something that stresses people out too.

All time is, to us, is the earth spinning, which will go on for a long, long time, until our sun explodes.

[Selski]

Time is a one way street.  Except in the Twilight Zone.

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(OK, that's not from me - a pinball machine used to say it)

Sarah

[OrionsDream]

hahahah

[nakiannu]

the concept of time irritates me.
like a nut that just won't crack.
but you just KNOW it's possible to crack.
and there is a tasty nut inside.

Einstein's equations allow for it, but it's kind of like "sure, you can travel backwards in time, you just have to get this thing (impossible) and grab one of these (even more impossible), and there you are! zippidy zip zip!

Take a look at your favorite river... figure out how to make it flow backward.  You'd have to reverse gravity, right? hmmmm.... Doesn't it feel like time and gravity are inextricably linked? Figure out how to affect one and you'll affect the other..

[skydust]

time is just a measurment people made up to make life easier. example: a meter doesnt really exist, its just a measurment people agreed on and called it a meter to make life easier. same with time. time is a tool, for convenience sake. NOW is all that really exists.

[CaCoDeMoN]

time is just a measurment people made up to make life easier. example: a meter doesnt really exist, its just a measurment people agreed on and called it a meter to make life easier. same with time. time is a tool, for convenience sake. NOW is all that really exists.

Time is not a measurement, and only measurement of it was created by humanity not the time itself. To say that time is a measurement is illogical.

Einstein's equations allow for it, but it's kind of like "sure, you can travel backwards in time, you just have to get this thing (impossible) and grab one of these (even more impossible), and there you are! zippidy zip zip!

They don't. According to them a speed greater than speed of light cannot be achieved, and even the speed of light can be achieved only by particles that have no mass at all. Look at the translation of time equation and you will see that travel backwards in time is not possible(if the equations are right and I am sure they are).

Take a look at your favorite river... figure out how to make it flow backward. You'd have to reverse gravity, right? hmmmm.... Doesn't it feel like time and gravity are inextricably linked? Figure out how to affect one and you'll affect the other..

No, with reversed gravity water would fly directly upwards, not in reverse direction.

If we were immortal, and lived in a more free society, i dont think time would exist. All time is, is a fake measurment that is used within the human.

Time would exist still. Maybe you would not measure it, but it doesn't mean it would not be there.

[Wronski Feint]

No, with reversed gravity water would fly directly upwards, not in reverse direction.

Actually, you must take into an account for Newtons laws.  The water would flow directly upwards only if a net force acted upon it in a way that would cause it to fly up.  Also, since most rivers flow down mountains and turn some of the water would keep going straight and float off untill some other force (friction) acted upon it to stop its movement.  If you were standing in the middle of the room and someone turned of gravity, as long as you didnt walk or apply any pressure to the floor, you would just stay in that location.

Time is not a measurement, and only measurement of it was created by humanity not the time itself. To say that time is a measurement is illogical.

If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around, does it make a sound?  Before humans existed, time didnt exist.  Of course to discuss the existance of somthing you have to know what it is so what is time anyway?  

To my understanding time, is used to measure the completion of solar cycles.  My science book describes time as the interval between two points of change.  So therefore time seems to be the rate of change.  But like most rates such as speed, velocity, etc.  are human made, so time is a measurment created by humans.

Of course if you wish to view time as change itself, then yes, humans did not invent time because change has and will always exist.

[LeonPrimrose]

time is just a measurment people made up to make life easier. example: a meter doesnt really exist, its just a measurment people agreed on and called it a meter to make life easier. same with time. time is a tool, for convenience sake. NOW is all that really exists.

Time is not a measurement, and only measurement of it was created by humanity not the time itself. To say that time is a measurement is illogical.

Einstein's equations allow for it, but it's kind of like "sure, you can travel backwards in time, you just have to get this thing (impossible) and grab one of these (even more impossible), and there you are! zippidy zip zip!

They don't. According to them a speed greater than speed of light cannot be achieved, and even the speed of light can be achieved only by particles that have no mass at all. Look at the translation of time equation and you will see that travel backwards in time is not possible(if the equations are right and I am sure they are).

Take a look at your favorite river... figure out how to make it flow backward. You'd have to reverse gravity, right? hmmmm.... Doesn't it feel like time and gravity are inextricably linked? Figure out how to affect one and you'll affect the other..

No, with reversed gravity water would fly directly upwards, not in reverse direction.

If we were immortal, and lived in a more free society, i dont think time would exist. All time is, is a fake measurment that is used within the human.

Time would exist still. Maybe you would not measure it, but it doesn't mean it would not be there.

Congratulations. Very insightful. But I must say that I do believe that speeds faster than the speed of light will be possible. Not in any of our lives but it will happen. I believe within a century it will be discovered. But the thing is, is that humankind will have to find a way to create or find something called subspace, which would be an area less dense than a vacuum. It may seem impossible, but I do see it happening because think about it... about half a century after the airplane was invented we broke the sound barrier. Just think of this as another barrier to be broken. And as for the equations proving it wrong... They only prove them wrong in a vacuum, trust me I've studied Einstein's equations, like E=MC2  c = the speed of light in a vacuum. If something is found less dense than a vacuum than the speeds could rise exponentially. Further more, scientists are always being proved wrong. Who's to say in the future they won't prove this wrong?

[Wronski Feint]

I totally agree.  Like you said, look at how fast the aircraft technology has advanced.  And im not going to get into this here but, theres no telling what tech the govt has the we dont know about.  It is incredibly possible to be able to time travel by 2100.

[LeonPrimrose]

Time travel's already been reached. Or time dialation anyway. only once as far as I know. It was a very short time. Only 1/50 of a second into the future. It was measured. It's in the Guiness book of world records 2005. I just saw it today.

[beavis]

the concept of time irritates me.
like a nut that just won't crack.
but you just KNOW it's possible to crack.
and there is a tasty nut inside.

Einstein's equations allow for it, but it's kind of like "sure, you can travel backwards in time, you just have to get this thing (impossible) and grab one of these (even more impossible), and there you are! zippidy zip zip!

Take a look at your favorite river... figure out how to make it flow backward. You'd have to reverse gravity, right? hmmmm.... Doesn't it feel like time and gravity are inextricably linked? Figure out how to affect one and you'll affect the other..

It doesnt have to flow backwards. You can sail against the wind by zigzagging.

[Ybom]

No, with reversed gravity water would fly directly upwards, not in reverse direction.

Actually, you must take into an account for Newtons laws.  The water would flow directly upwards only if a net force acted upon it in a way that would cause it to fly up.

Erm, reverse gravity would be gravity that repels rather than attracts, correct?

[astral boy]

I believe everything is mind. I guess we could be aware at a level where we experienced everything happening at a now.

[interception]

I believe everything is mind. I guess we could be aware at a level where we experienced everything happening at a now.

I like that. Everything is mind. Everything is perception. It makes it all so much simpler.  


For example, in the traditional view of time there is one thing I am struggling with: In this physical world we live in and learn in, TIME allows for change to occur right? To learn one must change.

Now, as I understand it, some (or all) of the spiritual/higher dimensions/other side/whatever places are seemingly WITHOUT a time dimension and would therefor be static and changeless.

So, logically, it implies that the state of a timeless place is something like an eternal NOW where one of two things happen:  
1. Nothing happens
2. Everything happens at once.  

Lets go with everything happening at once, since nothing is boring and rather pointless.  

BUT in order to learn and grow, one must change. In a place without time no change can occur, correct? So nothing is learned then? Surely that cannot be!
No, I hear you say, since everything is happening at once in a timeless place, learning is an irrelevant concept!  

[ubiquitous]

earth before man was in the same motions and annual seasons all animals were aware of this and migrated to better planes when required.

Now for us to come along and map there migration, interaction between humans needs to take place to formulate a system which can be taught and refined, imprinting words/symbols for components in this system is a necessary action unless we can transport our feelings and experiences without opening our mouths.

All the historical research on this subject has led to this computer so it is a form of reality.
As far as the mind is concerned no one can locate internal thoughts even though they have created our working systems, the essence of the mind your imagine a nation can travel with and without TIMEMIT

[IequalMC2]

"Actually, you must take into an account for Newtons laws. The water would flow directly upwards only if a net force acted upon it in a way that would cause it to fly up. Also, since most rivers flow down mountains and turn some of the water would keep going straight and float off untill some other force (friction) acted upon it to stop its movement. If you were standing in the middle of the room and someone turned of gravity, as long as you didnt walk or apply any pressure to the floor, you would just stay in that location."

OK I can agree with the above and its very interesting, could it be that one would need to understand this perception of gravity that you speak of in order to stay standing? Because I don't think anyone understands it like I do!

I'm not trying to offend you, to say it is one thing but to understand the whole concept of nothing itself is quite different. Say I switched gravity off and told you I was going to do this gave you the time and everything, because we have spoke of this if you stayed completely still 'As planned' would you fly off into the sky or would you stand?

I'm all for one with mind over matter so I think you would have to hold a certain genuine state of mind 'all is one or all is thought' and you'd have to understand it. If you didn't and if you didn't have a counterforce understanding 'Vacuum' I think you would fly off.

Understanding is something completely different. To my understanding everything is 'thought/consciousness' and then if I understand my body as 'manifested thought/Anti-Matter' then if someone switched off gravity I would be standing and still even if I was moving, or I would create a 'Net Force' as you put it, (Fishers of Men) If I had loads of people who didn't understand gravity around me or in my presence alone, it would counter any dangerous force that may act upon us.    

So if that does happen, say I'm the only guy who knows how to stand and walk, I would be repelled from everyone else who didn't know how to stand, unless I had something of symbolic value of them to carry with me, which would create a link or understanding between me and those who don't understand me. In this case a pool table, if we where carrying a pool table (four of us) its force on our shoulders would help us remain still, Mystery is understood somewhat by everyone (In there own different ways).  

"And thou shalt command the priests that bear the ark of the covenant, saying, When ye are come to the brink of the water of Jordan, ye shall stand still in Jordan."

(I swim/stand still everywhere)


QUOTE

"Bright and early the next morning Joshua and the Israelites left Shittim and came to the Jordan.1 They camped there before crossing the river.2 3:2 After three days the leaders went through the camp 3:3 and commanded the people: "When you see the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God3 being carried by the Levitical priests, you must leave here4 and walk5 behind it. 3:4 But stay about three thousand feet behind it.6 Keep your distance7 so you can see8 which way you should go, for you have not traveled this way before.

3:5 Joshua told the people, "Ritually consecrate yourselves, for tomorrow the Lord will perform miraculous deeds among you." 3:6 Joshua told the priests, "Pick up the ark of the covenant and pass on ahead of the people." So they picked up the ark of the covenant and went ahead of the people.

3:7 The Lord told Joshua, "This very day I will begin to honor you before all Israel9 so they will know that I am with you just as I was with Moses. 3:8 Instruct the priests carrying the ark of the covenant, 'When you reach the bank of the Jordan River,10 wade into the water.'"11

3:9 Joshua told the Israelites, "Come here and listen to the words of the Lord your God!" 3:10 Joshua continued,12 "This is how you will know the living God is among you and that he will truly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites, and Jebusites. 3:11 Look! The ark of the covenant of the Ruler13 of the whole earth is ready to enter the Jordan ahead of you. 3:12 Now select for yourselves twelve men from the tribes of Israel, one per tribe. 3:13 When the feet14 of the priests carrying the ark of the Lord, the Ruler15 of the whole earth, touch16 the water of the Jordan, the water coming downstream toward you will stop flowing and pile up."17

3:14 So when the people left their tents to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went18 ahead of them. 3:15 When the ones carrying the ark reached the Jordan and the feet of the priests carrying the ark touched the surface19 of the water—(the Jordan is at flood stage all during harvest time)20— 3:16 the water coming downstream toward them stopped flowing.21 It piled up far upstream22 at Adam (the city near Zarethan); there was no water at all flowing to the sea of the Arabah (the Salt Sea).23 The people crossed the river opposite Jericho.24 3:17 The priests carrying the ark of the covenant of the Lord stood firmly on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan. All Israel crossed over on dry ground until the entire nation was on the other side.25"

END QUOTE

I HOPE I BELIEVE AND UNDERSTAND

[Wronski Feint]

Erm, reverse gravity would be gravity that repels rather than attracts, correct?

Im not toataly sure (im not a physics major or anything) but I dont think that there is a version of gravity that repels.  The only gravity I know, attracts objects.  Gravity depends on mass(the amount of matter in an object). More mass=more gravity.  Everything has gravity, but since all objects arnt as massive(have as much mass) as moons or planets, there isnt stuff being attracted to them.

OK I can agree with the above and its very interesting, could it be that one would need to understand this perception of gravity that you speak of in order to stay standing? Because I don't think anyone understands it like I do!

I'm not trying to offend you, to say it is one thing but to understand the whole concept of nothing itself is quite different. Say I switched gravity off and told you I was going to do this gave you the time and everything, because we have spoke of this if you stayed completely still 'As planned' would you fly off into the sky or would you stand?

I'm all for one with mind over matter so I think you would have to hold a certain genuine state of mind 'all is one or all is thought' and you'd have to understand it. If you didn't and if you didn't have a counterforce understanding 'Vacuum' I think you would fly off.

Understanding is something completely different. To my understanding everything is 'thought/consciousness' and then if I understand my body as 'manifested thought/Anti-Matter' then if someone switched off gravity I would be standing and still even if I was moving, or I would create a 'Net Force' as you put it, (Fishers of Men) If I had loads of people who didn't understand gravity around me or in my presence alone, it would counter any dangerous force that may act upon us.

So if that does happen, say I'm the only guy who knows how to stand and walk, I would be repelled from everyone else who didn't know how to stand, unless I had something of symbolic value of them to carry with me, which would create a link or understanding between me and those who don't understand me. In this case a pool table, if we where carrying a pool table (four of us) its force on our shoulders would help us remain still, Mystery is understood somewhat by everyone (In there own different ways).

I think youre saying that even if sombody turns off gravity that the difference of mindset you have will still cause you to move.   Gravity keeps us stuck to earth.  No gravity, no sticking.  what im saying is just because gravity is turned off, dosnt neccisarily mean that everything will just go shooting off the surface like in cartoons.  Since it is near impossible to not move any muscle, it would be quite hard for a person not to move in a 0g atmosphere.  if you had an object in a vacum(no air) and no vibration(other than on a molecular level) there wouldnt be any immediate movment.  Newton's first law states that 'an object at rest tends to stay at rest untill a net(an outside force aka pushing, gravity, air, etc) acts upon it.  So if there was no force to act upon the object then it wouldnt move nomatter if there was gravity or not.  Now when you take away gravity, thats just one less force to act upon somthing.  And no, if you dont tell sombody that your turning of the gravity, they will move and float abit up in the air. As long as they dont jump off a surface, they shouldnt go way up in the air.

I dont know if thoughts have enough 'weight' to make you move.  Maybe in the astral or somthing, but in the physical thoughts are pretty much light.  Just a bunch of brain waves.  Enough concentrated waves will move an object but i dont think one person could cause enough to happen to move sumthing unless they were doing TK.

[TuperYabba]

Time is a dynamic, it is an ilusion.

[TuperYabba]

If the planet suddenly stopped spinning, the wind would send you into orbit.