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Title: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: interception on July 13, 2006, 11:44:54
http://tenthdimension.com/flash2.php

:?

Had to watch it twice. They lost me the first time.

And I still dont truly get it.
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: interception on July 19, 2006, 16:23:41
Thanks.

Are there any humans who can actually truly wrap their minds around the concept of 10 dimensions?  Or 26? Or whatever?



Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: Mydral on July 20, 2006, 02:10:39
Man that was awsome.... all so much clearer now.

I showed it to my father and he understood it too and told me its the best explanation he ever saw about this  stuff. He will buy the book now  :-) I will read it once I can get my hands on it!!
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: mjolnir_knight on August 13, 2006, 00:57:41
Quote from: interception on July 19, 2006, 16:23:41
Thanks.

Are there any humans who can actually truly wrap their minds around the concept of 10 dimensions?  Or 26? Or whatever?





No, it is physically impossible for a 3-dimentional creature to even begin to imagine what the higher dimentions are like simply due to the fact that we have nothing to relate it to.  It's like trying to explain the concept of color to a person who has been blind from birth.

-Patrick
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on August 13, 2006, 03:01:05
Quote from: mjolnir_knight on August 13, 2006, 00:57:41
It's like trying to explain the concept of color to a person who has been blind from birth.-Patrick

I saw that in a film once, about a boy who looked like a lion, Cher was his mother, he met this blind girl and tried to explain to her what the colours looked like. So he went and put her hand in hot water saying 'this is red', then he made her hold some ice cubes saying 'this is blue'... I don't remember very much, but thought it was cool.
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: MisterJingo on August 13, 2006, 06:24:25
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on August 13, 2006, 03:01:05
I saw that in a film once, about a boy who looked like a lion, Cher was his mother, he met this blind girl and tried to explain to her what the colours looked like. So he went and put her hand in hot water saying 'this is red', then he made her hold some ice cubes saying 'this is blue'... I don't remember very much, but thought it was cool.

That film was called mask :). The son had a genetic condition which grossely distorted his face - and it detailed the hardships him and his family faced because of it.
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: MisterJingo on August 13, 2006, 06:37:03
Just checked the site out and I would be a bit wary of taking anything it says as absolute. Firstly, the guy who created the site has no physic credentials at all. Secondly, the explanations of the different dimensions do not match the standard string theory models; these usually contain the other dimensions folding in on themselves (calabi-yau space).
Thirdly, there is still much debate about how many dimensions there actually are.
Fourthly, string theory has yet to produce anything other than theory, or be verified in any way. It currently is a highly theoretical, incomplete framework which seems to detail everything but our own universe. I know there are a lot of people losing faith in string theory the longer it provides us with nothing tangible.
Websites such are this are nice to bend the mind slightly, but they don't necessary represent anything truthful – it's just a layman person's interpretation of a theory which hasn't been proven in any way.
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: Nostic on August 13, 2006, 10:27:48
i saw this film a few weeks back. It really made me think. I enjoyed it greatly.
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: interception on August 14, 2006, 18:28:04
Yeah, it is a nice little mind bender for mathematical idiots like me.   :-P

What is "standard" about "standard string theory models"? I mean, honestly?  Come on! :-D
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: jilola on August 14, 2006, 18:41:18
Quote from: MisterJingo
Just checked the site out and I would be a bit wary of taking anything it says as absolute. Firstly, the guy who created the site has no physic credentials at all. Secondly, the explanations of the different dimensions do not match the standard string theory models; these usually contain the other dimensions folding in on themselves (calabi-yau space).

The folding of string theory doesn't really factor in as it only refers to the way the extra dimensions exist in our 4D reality as opposed to how they relate.

I'd take the referred site as a guide to relating several dimensions in terms of manipulations to create a physically perceivable effect or an analogy of one in higher dimensions.
If one takes that approach the presentation (the clever stuf with branching, twisting etc.) is a good introduction to how the extra dimensions can be thought of as a recursive 3D pattern.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: MisterJingo on August 15, 2006, 07:50:44
Quote from: interception on August 14, 2006, 18:28:04
Yeah, it is a nice little mind bender for mathematical idiots like me.   :-P

What is "standard" about "standard string theory models"? I mean, honestly?  Come on! :-D

lol, you got me on that one ;p. The usual thought is that only 3 dimensions expanded and the rest remained curled up in on themselves:

(http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~mbw/astro18200/calabi-yau-space3.jpg)

This is why we supposedly haven't detected them yet.
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: MisterJingo on August 15, 2006, 07:54:24
Quote from: jilola on August 14, 2006, 18:41:18
I'd take the referred site as a guide to relating several dimensions in terms of manipulations to create a physically perceivable effect or an analogy of one in higher dimensions.
If one takes that approach the presentation (the clever stuf with branching, twisting etc.) is a good introduction to how the extra dimensions can be thought of as a recursive 3D pattern.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

I agree with you here. It's slightly misleading in the way each dimension looks like a branching 3d map starting from the point of the last though.
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: Selski on August 20, 2006, 11:06:32
Cor blimey.  I've just watched it and would need to watch it for infinity to understand it.   :-D

I was doing well and even managed to get my head around the 4th dimension (sort of).  They've explained it really well in layman's terms, however it still gave me a headache.  I found it interesting that it had to end at 10. 

Hypothetically speaking, if it started with two zeros, would that change matters?  Would it then be neverending?

Sarah slopes off to take painkillers and do something soothing, such as think about baby kittens and knitting... :-P
Title: Re: Visualizing 10 dimensions
Post by: Principle on February 24, 2007, 21:18:52
Some say there is 11 Dimensions.