Telekenesis and Electromangetics

[ImmuredSoul]

Well, since you mention that any would be appreciated, here I go.

Yes, telekinesis would be possible. Lets take physics into this matter (blah, spot my mistakes, PLEASE). We have an apple sitting on the table, or as in your case a book. Now, this book of yours is pushing on the table with 50N. There would be a force pushing underneath it (normal force). Okay, I'm actually going about this wrong, but somebody can possibly turn it around for me. My point is, wouldn't there be a possibility that the normal force (or in the case of the book, the weight of the book) can be negated. Wow, I feel sorry for the table that book destroys [B)]

As for whatever else you said . . . I don't have a clue []

[volcomstone]

I think the telekinesis we commonly refer to is electrokinetic in nature

changing surface charges on objects so that a force \is experienced.  

in order to move large objects you would need to ionize allot of matter, including the air surrounding it. or creating a magnetic field so strong that it induces another magnetic field on the object you are focusing on.

The true telekinesis ancient texts describe is more of a hallucination.  It's you changing your perspectives so drastically that reality distorts around you, known as tantra or "warp"  great concentration and meditation is required/

[Krevency]

That's very interesting.  I guess, like a warpage of the space that an object occupies, much like under gravity or great speed.

Could you (or anyone) recommend a good book on the subject?

[Rob]

Uri Gellar - I am pretty much convinced now that he is for real. I've met people online who I trust, that have met him in person and seen him do some crazy stuff (seeds spouting up in the palm of his hand for instance). I've also read about how the metals in his spoons are changed in a really weird way ie on the metal lattice and crystalline levels I think. Further, I think he has successfuly carried out experiments under lab conditions (some people claim he was not successful in labs, but I have only been able to discover that thats hearsay, the documented evidence seems to go with him - not sure though). Read a biography on him a couple of years ago too, quite fascinating.
You know he made most his money by prospecting for oil (and perhaps gold, cant remember) for big oil companies? Made a lot of £££....
I would love to meet the guy! Hey mebbe I should try and contact him and invite him to join us in these here forums, that would rock hehehe.
Anyway cant answer all your q's but:
"Was he able to move/bend anything he was not touching"
I think so - at least, he could touch something then put it down, and then it would start bending on its own. He also displayed telekinesis (by necessity a remote phenomenon).
"Did he have any explaination for his abilities?"
As I remember, he says he feels like he is a channel for his abilities, and that he doesn't always feel like he is in control, like someone or something else is using him like a tool. So he is not always able to perform like he would like to, which can be quite frustrating for him....

oh telekinesis - yes, the physical world can be manipulated by mind but I think it requires some considerable practise. How much, I have no idea.
Take a piece of tinfoil, cut it into a equal armed cross with the arms being 1cm on each side, bend the arms down so that the cross can balance on the end of a pin. Cup your hand next to it and see if the foil moves. Then try and control the movement - eventually you might want to try shielding the foil from all atmopheric effects (eg warm air rising). This was a test thing given by a magus style mate of robert bruce, I've only had limited success but not put much time into it.
have fun []

adio

Rob

[Krevency]

Inugma!  Thank you very much for your input!

I also have a friend that's worked with Uri Gellar, but we haven't been in contact with eachother and I'm really bad about keeping emal conversations going for more than a week [:I]

Sprouting a seed.  This interests me more than bending spoons.  I work with plants a lot.  Do you remember the name of his biography?  I'll google it in a minute and probably find out just fine.  I love biograpies.

Tin foil, huh?  Sounds like a skill worth working on.  I always have a million things like that I'm working on at once, though, and I never get very good at any one thing.  Telekenesis I have a bit of passion for, though.  Something that you can show a scientist and he'll say, "Huh?  Oh, I know!  I'm hallucinating!  What did you put in my water, you little con artist!"  Lol.

One thing, though.  You could sucessfully do something in a lab, on the street, on TV, and in the houses of every person in the world, and it will still not be a commonly accepted thing.  It's just a curiousity that people forget about the next day.  I find this to be very frustrating.

[Rob]

quote:I also have a friend that's worked with Uri Gellar, but we haven't been in contact with eachother and I'm really bad about keeping emal conversations going for more than a week

quote:Sounds like a skill worth working on. I always have a million things like that I'm working on at once, though, and I never get very good at any one thing

LOL same [] - on both counts! But the way I see it, I am young (oh look same age!) so I have plenty of time to specialise later. Right now, I read and try what interests at the time.

quote:Sprouting a seed. This interests me more than bending spoons. I work with plants a lot. Do you remember the name of his biography? I'll google it in a minute and probably find out just fine. I love biograpies."

If you check his website there's quite a lot of info there if I remember right. But, make sure you steer WELL CLEAR of all the "only planet of choice" crap out there (not on his site but hey). Its total BS [xx(]
Yeah the sprouting seeds - pretty funky, I sure wouldn't mind seeing that too.

quote:Something that you can show a scientist and he'll say, "Huh? Oh, I know! I'm hallucinating! What did you put in my water, you little con artist!" Lol.

Hehehe.....you joke but......cnce I saw a negative entity thats attached to me and my dad in my room at night, standing at the bottom of my bed. My dad had been having nightmares that night, then I saw this thing at 2 in the morning, did some banishing stuff and similar, and went to sleep in another room. After that, my dad, who had been having a bad night anyway, then he started having dreams about me becoming possessed and nearly switched beds himself. Next day I told him about this, and he dismissed his dreams as a "coicidence" and my seeing this entity as "food poisening" even though I'd been eating with the family for weeks by then, had absolutely no symptoms of food poisening, and have never hallucinated in my life (even in situations when I really was poisened)!!!! Its INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, thats what the test was designed for - evidence and proof of the energy body. Romero (RB's mate) and a load of his buddies decided to get together and invite some serious scientific "skeptics" to participate in some tests. Initially they said the spinning could be caused by warm air rising, so they enclosed the foil cross and it still worked. Another test/demonstration they did was to have a skeptic pull on a forcemeter, measure the force, then have an energy master suck out loooooaads of the fellas energy through the solar plexus, then retest him. Obviously, second time round, he managed to pull considerably less force, but that could have been due to tiredness so the energy bloke gave the skeptic his energy back and did a 3rd pull test, which came out at practically the same value as the first time. Pretty funky!

quote:One thing, though. You could sucessfully do something in a lab, on the street, on TV, and in the houses of every person in the world, and it will still not be a commonly accepted thing. It's just a curiousity that people forget about the next day. I find this to be very frustrating.

Man, I could rant for ages on that one! But I've learned that if someone will never change their way of thinking its usually not worth even trying. If there is some chance, I'll present a few key facts and let them make up their own minds. But its still pretty saddening to watch them go so vigourously into denial, like with my dad in above example. He's usualy an intelligent guy, but it seems to me that where beliefs and procenceptions are concerned, 95% of our populations are living in the dark ages. Gggrr indeed!!

Rob

[Krevency]

One thing that I read, and it seems about right, is regarding any kind of breakthrough discovery or science that goes against existing notions.  I read that the idea doesn't get accepted because the skeptics are overwhelmed by evidence, and change their views.  The idea gets accepted when the skeptics die and the newer, nonbiased, minds grow to be scientists.

Only planet of choice?  What's that mean?

This foil cross, each arm is one cm long, but are they also one cm wide?  I suppose it doesn't really matter, now that I think of it.

quote:He's usualy an intelligent guy, but it seems to me that where beliefs and procenceptions are concerned, 95% of our populations are living in the dark ages. Gggrr indeed!!

That was my first attempt at using the "quote" utility that I see everyone using so much.  Hope it works out when I click "post".

[Rob]

Yeah - with scientific theories, its a good quote you read. I am heavily into researching and doing stuff in edge science I guess you could call it, like radically new devices and theories etc. Yup, sometimes people just dont want to know.
Quote from a page provided on another discussion:

"The reason why some of these academics take this so personally is that they have the most to lose. The basis of their job, or their own identity, and their value to society and the whole basis of everything they thought they knew about history becomes threatened if it is proved that what they have been teaching is false"

Its ironic that acedemics in theory have the most open of minds....

quote:Only planet of choice? What's that mean?

Its one of a series of new-agey books, Uri Gellar was roped into the events. One memorable bit was when the "higher life form aliens" were calling Henry Kissinger their "messenger of light" whereas now we know he is a evil f**k head, and billed by many as an agent the new world order crowd. Makes you wonder...

quote:This foil cross, each arm is one cm long, but are they also one cm wide? I suppose it doesn't really matter, now that I think of it.

To be honest the initial specifications I gave were off the top of my head, based up what I remember making when I had the proper instructions. I dont think it matters too much, but if I remember right the width (1cm) of each of the arms was slightly greater than their height (probably 0.5cm).

quote:That was my first attempt at using the "quote" utility that I see everyone using so much. Hope it works out when I click "post".

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quote:Congrats []

[Krevency]

Hello.  I have a few queries about telekenesis.

Firstly, does anybody know if things like, lifting books off of tables, closing doors and such (use the force, Luke!) with your mind is possible?  Feasible?

Secondly, about Uri Gellar (sp?).  I haven't heard a huge amount about him, but what I have heard is interesting.  Does he seem to be genuine?  Is he only able to bend metallic objects?  Is he able to bend metallic objects which have very low ferromagnetism (change, for example)?  Was he able to move/bend anything he was not touching?  Did he have any explaination for his abilities?

If telekenesis is possible, it would be a skill I would enjoy trying to deveop.

Any input would be appreciated.  Thank you.

[Michael_E]

i dont know too much about geller but i did see him bend a spoon with his mind, but actually with his hand. He did a slight of hand trick used by magicians that i had learned when i was a kid, i do a similar variation at restaurants to freak out my friends, the waiters dont like their spoons bent though

[Ta_alos]

It seems to be as if these abilities would be rather... um... high profile... lol....  I would suspect that as we raise our energy levels in our bodies... it allows us to drive ourselves further.  The trick is to be able to focus the energies.  I mean a powerful telekonetic could infact very well kill himself by getting self destructive.... You'd need alot of dicipline and detication.. and those abilities woudl come with a price...  I mean could u picture what it would be like if someone could bend steel gurders with his/her mind???  That means they could squish a car and kill someone in it just like that!!!!  the general public would have them killed.... lol... oh well.. u gotta use those abilities sparingly.... I know if i had them.. I'd keep them to myself...